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#54 From: "Harmony" <hamster11996@...>
Date: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:00 pm
Subject: Cultural beliefs and your patient population
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Last month in our monthly email Sandy Hoar in his "Words of Wisdom from the Feild" article began a discussion about cultural beliefs and its influence on patient care. He states " The more familiar you are with a community's belief system and using simple terms and ideas to match a patient's understanding the easier it is to form a healing partnership with the patient. "

I'd like to invite everyone to discuss this topic and present examples. :)

What I'd like you all to think about is:

  • How does a provider go about learning about patient beliefs?
  • How do you provide culturally competent care?
  • Are there different cultural beliefs and medical beliefs between different ethnicities within the states? 
  • how do you deal with time restraints, resource restraints and still provide education to your patients?

I have a particular interest in culturally competent healthcare as this is what my Masters Thesis topic was about. One example I like to point to is a Hispanic American patient whom I treated. He hand CML and needed to take Gleevac but the medicine was expensive and he said he did not "feel sick". He was spanish speaking and a migrant worker. When I tried to explain to him in spanish that he had too many WBCs. He did not understand. Spanish has a word for cells- globulos, but this patient did not know that his blood was made up of cells.  So I in very basic language I explained the microanatomy. And used the term globulos of which he had never heard before but I explained they were things he could not see. I used examples from his environment. I also explained that he would not feel sick until the blood "clogged" up his body and El cuerpo (the body) would lose strength from making too many globulos. He understood and took the Gleevac- once we found him assistance.  This example may be more exemplary of socio-economic and educational differences rather than culture.

Another similar example related to Hispanics is that there is a principal called "respecto" in Hispanic culture that may not be present in Anglo American culture.  Hispanic patients feel that a doctor/PA is someone in a position of authority and our judgement should not be questions. (How many of your patients question your judgement in your work in the states? - Its more acceptable to speak up in American culture!) So if a Hispanic patient is not taking the medication prescribed- they may not tell you because they don't want to disobey or disagree. So I always try to ask all patients if my treatment plan is something they can do or not.  

 Post your thoughts and experiences on this topic! Be looking for similar topics on the PAGH Yahoo!Groups site in the future.

Harmony Johnson PA-C, MMS , President Physician Assistants for Global Health, harmoniousness@...

"One person can change the world and everyone should try"  JFK

 

 

#53 From: Dolan Abuaouf <dolanpac@...>
Date: Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:16 pm
Subject: Summer symposium
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HI group,
I want to invite all of you that are in Florida to go to the FAPA Summer Symposium!

If you are going to the the symposium. Please let me know so I can meet you and I would love to have so talk with you.

Thank you,

Dolan


#52 From: "Bruce Bowman" <bbowman@...>
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:56 am
Subject: Re: October conference
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Welcome to the group.

  CME will be offered  at the October meeting, and it will be an excellent way to
network with other PA's with similar interests.
Please formally join the PAGH membership. THe fall meeting should be great.
Please register early. See you there

Bruce Bowman





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>>> "amelah50" <amelah50@...> 07/16/08 12:05 AM >>>
I am a new member of the site and plan on joining the PAGH also.  Can anyone
tell me if
there are any CMEs for this conference? I've been wanting to steer my career
toward global
work and did not how to go about it (without the religious group thing) and am
thrilled to
have found you guys!!  Please post if you know...

amy b-c, PAC

#51 From: "amelah50" <amelah50@...>
Date: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:05 am
Subject: October conference
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I am a new member of the site and plan on joining the PAGH also.  Can anyone
tell me if
there are any CMEs for this conference? I've been wanting to steer my career
toward global
work and did not how to go about it (without the religious group thing) and am
thrilled to
have found you guys!!  Please post if you know...

amy b-c, PAC

#50 From: Elizabeth Crawford <ekgrennon@...>
Date: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: Interview Request
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Hi Megan-

As the treasurer/president elect of PAGH, I wanted to introduce myself and offer to help in any way we can! 

Coincidentally, I'm acutally here in Portland, so if you think it would be helpful to sit down and chat at any point, please feel free to contact me directly.

Cheers!
Liz


megataur21 <megan.merritt@...> wrote:
Hello, I am a first year PA student in Portland, OR. A small group in
our class is researching the current international use and spread of
Physician Assistants. Thank you for putting this page together- it is
a wonderful resource! To supplement our research, we are interested
in doing a phone or email interview with a PA who has practiced
abroad, who could share a little about the realities of practicing
under a health care system outside the US. If anyone is interested,
please contact the above email address.





Elizabeth K. Crawford, MS, PA-C
Cardiac / Surgical Critical Care Physician Assistant
Dept. of Anesthesiology and Peri-Operative Medicine
Oregon Health & Sciences University
3181 S.W. Sam Jackson Pk Rd, UHS-2
Portland, Oregon  97239-3098
(503) 494-8311  pager 16403


#49 From: "megataur21" <megan.merritt@...>
Date: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:11 pm
Subject: Interview Request
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Hello, I am a first year PA student in Portland, OR.  A small group in
our class is researching the current international use and spread of
Physician Assistants.  Thank you for putting this page together- it is
a wonderful resource!  To supplement our research, we are interested
in doing a phone or email interview with a PA who has practiced
abroad, who could share a little about the realities of practicing
under a health care system outside the US.  If anyone is interested,
please contact the above email address.

#47 From: "jsburms" <jsburms@...>
Date: Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 pm
Subject: volunteering internationally
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Hello everyone,
I am a practicing PA in a cardiothoracic surgical ICU currently, since
graduating from PA school 2 years ago. I'm looking into quitting my
job and doing some overseas volunteering, anywhere from 3-6 months,
before returning and re-evaluating my next career move (ICU is burning
my spirit out:). I'd ideally like to go to either Africa, India, or
Nepal. I've been researching various organizations but there are SO
many posted different places and its very difficult to sort them out
and know if they really know how to use a PA effectively, and if it
would be a good experience for me. Does anyone know personally of a
good organization or person that does overseas work that could utilize
a PA for 3-6 months? I am more interested in a grassroots initiative,
and in more of a rural setting preferably.
Thanks for any information!
Jennifer

#46 From: PAGH@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:20 am
Subject: New file uploaded to PAGH
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PAGH
group.

   File        : /PAGH October 2008 Meeeting.doc
   Uploaded by : bbowman813 <bbowman@...>
   Description : Global Heath for Physician Assistants Conference , October 2008

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PAGH/files/PAGH%20October%202008%20Meeeting.doc

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Regards,

bbowman813 <bbowman@...>

#43 From: "Elizabeth Crawford" <ekgrennon@...>
Date: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:02 am
Subject: Regarding recent solicitations...
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Greetings-

I'm sure we all thought this went without saying, but our intent with
this Yahoo Group is to facilitate communication amongst peers and for
promoting the utilization of PAs in medically underserved areas.

It is NOT for soliciting.

These posts have been removed, and steps taken to (hopefully) keep
similar posts from happening again.  My apologies to all.

Thanks for all the hard work!!

Happy Holidays!

#40 From: PAGH@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Nov 7, 2007 1:06 am
Subject: New file uploaded to PAGH
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PAGH
group.

   File        : /Nexus Newsletter October 2007.pdf
   Uploaded by : careypryal <careypryal@...>
   Description : PAGH October newsletter

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PAGH/files/Nexus%20Newsletter%20October%202007.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

careypryal <careypryal@...>

#39 From: Kathy Pedersen <utahpedersen@...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2007 1:28 am
Subject: Re: Research Request
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Dear Justin,

In response to your survey request:
1.  AAPA had (has) an international networking database as of about 2002. At last discussion (last summer),  they had a list of 125 persons, though I doubt that it is inclusive. You might check with them. Many internationalist PAs are not  accessible to AAPA.
2.  Please check the PAEA website under "international" and then under "survey". You will find the self reported faculty that have been involved overseas. (You will also find student numbers, but that did not appear to be what you are studying).
3. You could check the AAPA yearly survey since they do demographic information  that is extrapable to your target groups.
4. You are near to AAPA headquarters - you might consider contacting Marie Michelle Leger, the international contact at AAPA and let her know about your study and see if she can help you.
5. You can add my contact information  to your survey. (work in a CHC for 25 years, and other international activities )
6.  You could list the PAs that have gone to pilot projects in England, Scotland, Canada, others.

Good luck - a daunting task! Let us know your results. One thought - you may want to define " working internationally".

Kathy


Hello everyone,

Sorry to take up space in your inboxes, but I was hoping some of you
might be able to help me. My name is Justin Thibeault and I am
currently a student in the PA program at the George Washington
University. I am contacting you regarding a study I am attempting to
undertake, with the hope of having it published. I am trying to survey
as many PAs working internationally and domestically(specifically in
medically underserved/rural areas) as I can, but am having obvious
difficulties establishing contact. If any of you would be willing to
participate in the survey (it's very short) or perhaps know of anyone
who would be willing to do this I would be indebted for life! Let me
know at your earliest convenience. Thanks so much for your time.

Sincerely,
Justin Thibeault


#38 From: ER PA <erpa911@...>
Date: Thu Nov 1, 2007 9:57 am
Subject: Re: Research Request
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You can call me.  Friday Am ( PST 07:00 am will be best for me or on Saturday around 09:00 am.)  858.794.1665
I will be leaving the country next tuesday on a 2 weeks relief mission to Cambodia.
cyril thomas
PAGH vice president
justin_tbo <justin_tbo@...> wrote:
Hello everyone,

Sorry to take up space in your inboxes, but I was hoping some of you
might be able to help me. My name is Justin Thibeault and I am
currently a student in the PA program at the George Washington
University. I am contacting you regarding a study I am attempting to
undertake, with the hope of having it published. I am trying to survey
as many PAs working internationally and domestically(specifically in
medically underserved/rural areas) as I can, but am having obvious
difficulties establishing contact. If any of you would be willing to
participate in the survey (it's very short) or perhaps know of anyone
who would be willing to do this I would be indebted for life! Let me
know at your earliest convenience. Thanks so much for your time.

Sincerely,
Justin Thibeault


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#37 From: "stephen kemna" <kemna@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:54 am
Subject: [RE] Research Request
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Justin,

I worked internationally in the past and also will underserved in the US in the past but my current position is not in either. Do you just want to survery those currently serving in that capacity? Myra Kemna, Tucson, Arizona
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Date : Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:05:30 -0000

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To : PAGH@yahoogroups.com



Hello everyone,



Sorry to take up space in your inboxes, but I was hoping some of you

might be able to help me. My name is Justin Thibeault and I am

currently a student in the PA program at the George Washington

University. I am contacting you regarding a study I am attempting to

undertake, with the hope of having it published. I am trying to survey

as many PAs working internationally and domestically(specifically in

medically underserved/rural areas) as I can, but am having obvious

difficulties establishing contact. If any of you would be willing to

participate in the survey (it's very short) or perhaps know of anyone

who would be willing to do this I would be indebted for life! Let me

know at your earliest convenience. Thanks so much for your time.



Sincerely,

Justin Thibeault




#36 From: "justin_tbo" <justin_tbo@...>
Date: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:05 am
Subject: Research Request
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Hello everyone,

Sorry to take up space in your inboxes, but I was hoping some of you
might be able to help me. My name is Justin Thibeault and I am
currently a student in the PA program at the George Washington
University. I am contacting you regarding a study I am attempting to
undertake, with the hope of having it published. I am trying to survey
as many PAs working internationally and domestically(specifically in
medically underserved/rural areas) as I can, but am having obvious
difficulties establishing contact. If any of you would be willing to
participate in the survey (it's very short) or perhaps know of anyone
who would be willing to do this I would be indebted for life! Let me
know at your earliest convenience. Thanks so much for your time.

Sincerely,
Justin Thibeault

#35 From: "Harmony" <hamster11996@...>
Date: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:30 pm
Subject: todays call
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My cell isn't working today. And I don't have a landline. I went down
to a pay phone with my calling card, which was expired. I am sorry I
missed the call. I will FWD an email about the 501c3. Sorry
Harmony

#34 From: <groovin25@...>
Date: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: student oppertunities
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Laura,

I am at Oklahoma Univeristy and we have 2 students going to Zambia this summer. 
If you are interested, I can get more information for you.  Just let me know.

Cameron

---- pnut3535 <dubendla@...> wrote:
> I attend PA school at Seton Hall University.  Currently, we are unable
> to do any rotations at sites outside of the sites that our school
> "contracts" with.  I know there are multiple people in our class that
> would be interested in doing some overseas work, so we were wondering
> how we could go about setting up something for us to do over the
> summer.  We would want this like a rotation, but wouldn't need to
> worry about credits or anything.  If anyone is going on a mission in
> july or august, and a few of us could go with you, that would be
> great.  Please let me know of any suggestions.
>
> Laura Dubendorfer
>

#33 From: "cathyyoungstrom" <cyoungstrom@...>
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:07 pm
Subject: liberia
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#32 From: "cathyyoungstrom" <cyoungstrom@...>
Date: Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:53 pm
Subject: Liberia
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Sorry...you cannot click on the link on my previous posting...it is
the longest address known to mankind!   You will need to copy BOTH
lines and paste and then, hopefully, the site will appear.
Thanks,
Cathy Youngstrom

#31 From: "cathyyoungstrom" <cyoungstrom@...>
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:50 pm
Subject: Liberia
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My name is, obviously, Cathy Youngstrom.  I've been working as a PA
for 21 years; 12 in the ER and 10 in family practice.  I had a
unique opportunity to go to Liberia to work with a team of
orthopedic surgeons with the goal of teaching physicians internal
fixation techniques.  Please click on the link to see the work we
did and read my account of this venture..click on Cathy's Tale
http://web.mac.com/stephentower/iWeb/Liberia/Let%27s%20Go%20Liberia%
20Introduction.html

Dr. Robert Dennis is a surgeon who was born and raised in Liberia.
He was educated in the US and is a practicing plastic surgeon in the
DC area.  He has volunteered 2 years to the development and delivery
of healthcare in Liberia.  As "Cathy's Tale" relays, the state of
healthcare in Liberia is dreadful but it is a country of great
hope.  Under Dr. Dennis' direction the education of healthcare
providers is being reborn.  There is a very pressing need for
midlevel providers.  There currently is a PA program in Monrovia but
it  requires extensive revitalization.  I have offered to work with
Dr. Dennis to develop and implement a midlevel/PA/NP program with
the goal of providing regionally-appropriately trained healthcare
professionals.  Again, the needs are great but the contribution is
so vital.  I would appreciate your insight, ideas, resources and
support.  I think the PAGH is the perfect platform to the support of
our fellow PAs in a project of global importance.

I'm not sure even where to begin!  develop a committee?
Please forward this e-mail to any and all!  I hope for many replies.
my best to you and yours,
Cathy

Cathy Youngstrom
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#30 From: Kathy Pedersen <utahpedersen@...>
Date: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:39 am
Subject: Re: student oppertunities
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Sara Pritle is part of GHEC.

Kathy


I went to PA school in Omaha, NE. we had lots of foriegn rotations.
they go during the summer also because the med students have off. the
contact person for international rotations is Sara Pirtle. her email is
sepirtle@.... you might want to email her about going to
guatemala. it is a spanish immersion for 3 weeks with a week of
medicine. good luck. carey

--- In PAGH@yahoogroups.com, "pnut3535" <dubendla@...> wrote:
>
> I attend PA school at Seton Hall University. Currently, we are unable
> to do any rotations at sites outside of the sites that our school
> "contracts" with. I know there are multiple people in our class that
> would be interested in doing some overseas work, so we were wondering
> how we could go about setting up something for us to do over the
> summer. We would want this like a rotation, but wouldn't need to
> worry about credits or anything. If anyone is going on a mission in
> july or august, and a few of us could go with you, that would be
> great. Please let me know of any suggestions.
>
> Laura Dubendorfer
>

#29 From: Kathy Pedersen <utahpedersen@...>
Date: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:08 am
Subject: Re: student oppertunities
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Dear Laura,

Please check the PAEA website under "international" for  multiple resources. If there is a medical school near you, see if there is an international center there, or a member of GHEC (Global Health Education consortium).  Can also check
Comprehensive listing by type of provider used <www.imva.org/pages/orgdb/wblst.htm>

I have other information also if needed.

Kathy

I attend PA school at Seton Hall University. Currently, we are unable
to do any rotations at sites outside of the sites that our school
"contracts" with. I know there are multiple people in our class that
would be interested in doing some overseas work, so we were wondering
how we could go about setting up something for us to do over the
summer. We would want this like a rotation, but wouldn't need to
worry about credits or anything. If anyone is going on a mission in
july or august, and a few of us could go with you, that would be
great. Please let me know of any suggestions.
Laura Dubendorfer

#28 From: "careypryal" <careypryal@...>
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: student oppertunities
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I went to PA school in Omaha, NE. we had lots of foriegn rotations.
they go during the summer also because the med students have off. the
contact person for international rotations is Sara Pirtle. her email is
sepirtle@.... you might want to email her about going to
guatemala. it is a spanish immersion for 3 weeks with a week of
medicine. good luck. carey

--- In PAGH@yahoogroups.com, "pnut3535" <dubendla@...> wrote:
>
> I attend PA school at Seton Hall University.  Currently, we are unable
> to do any rotations at sites outside of the sites that our school
> "contracts" with.  I know there are multiple people in our class that
> would be interested in doing some overseas work, so we were wondering
> how we could go about setting up something for us to do over the
> summer.  We would want this like a rotation, but wouldn't need to
> worry about credits or anything.  If anyone is going on a mission in
> july or august, and a few of us could go with you, that would be
> great.  Please let me know of any suggestions.
>
> Laura Dubendorfer
>

#27 From: "pnut3535" <dubendla@...>
Date: Tue Oct 9, 2007 12:51 pm
Subject: student oppertunities
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I attend PA school at Seton Hall University.  Currently, we are unable
to do any rotations at sites outside of the sites that our school
"contracts" with.  I know there are multiple people in our class that
would be interested in doing some overseas work, so we were wondering
how we could go about setting up something for us to do over the
summer.  We would want this like a rotation, but wouldn't need to
worry about credits or anything.  If anyone is going on a mission in
july or august, and a few of us could go with you, that would be
great.  Please let me know of any suggestions.

Laura Dubendorfer

#26 From: "o.bockoff" <o.bockoff@...>
Date: Tue Oct 2, 2007 6:30 pm
Subject: Help Needed
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Hello,

   My name is Olivia Bockoff.  I'm a PA student at Saint Francis
University.  I am coordinating a mission to Dangriga, Belize for my
elective rotation.  The trip is scheduled for March 17-April 21, 2008.
  I am in need of licensed professionals to serve as preceptors during
our time there.  Belize mandates one licensed professional for every
four students.  Harmony has expressed interest in joining us for a
week or so and I have an MD who also has agreed to join us for a week.
  Would any of you be interested?  Please let me know.  I'm working
with an organization called peacework (www.peacework.org).

Olivia

#25 From: "erpa911" <erpa911@...>
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:47 pm
Subject: TRAVEL MEDICINE CONFERENCE
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KAISER PERMANENTE  is having there NATIONAL TRAVEL MEDICINE CONFERENCE.
It will take place on Friday and Saturday NOVEMBER 2 AND 3 at the Fairemont
hotel in Neport
beach california.
Everyone is invited to attend

WEB: kpsymposia.com

Contact:
Symposia Registrar - Physician Education
100 South Los robles suite 101
626-564-5338

I have attended the conference before and highly recommend it.

Cyril

#24 From: "erpa911" <erpa911@...>
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:47 pm
Subject: TRAVEL MEDICINE CONFERENCE
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KAISER PERMANENTE  is having there NATIONAL TRAVEL MEDICINE CONFERENCE.
It will take place on Friday and Saturday NOVEMBER 2 AND 3 at the Fairemont
hotel in Neport
beach california.
Everyone is invited to attend

WEB: kpsymposia.com

Contact:
Symposia Registrar - Physician Education
100 South Los robles suite 101
626-564-5338

I have attended the conference before and highly recommend it.

Cyril

#23 From: ER PA <erpa911@...>
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: Humanitarian of the year award
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AAPA has it.  Thank you for up loading the pictures on the PAGH web site.
Cyril

Bruce Bowman <bbowman@...> wrote:
Does anyone have a list of recipients, or know who to ask, so that we
have a complete list?
Bruce



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#22 From: "Bruce Bowman" <bbowman@...>
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:45 am
Subject: Humanitarian of the year award
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Does anyone have a list of recipients, or know who to ask, so that we
have a complete list?
Bruce

#21 From: "erpa911" <erpa911@...>
Date: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:47 am
Subject: ANSWER: CFHI student rotations
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Harmony,
is there anyway you could ask them if we could link our 2 web sites together. 
The more
link we have the more coverage.  I just sent an E mail to one of our local
organization
asking them the same questions
Cyril

--- In PAGH@yahoogroups.com, "Harmony" <hamster11996@...> wrote:
>
> I spent a month in Puerto Escondido Oaxaca Mexico. Oaxaca is the
> poorest state in Mexico. You can check out my trip blog
> http://harmsblogs.blogspot.com/ If you want to read more about Puerto
> and my experiences.
>
> CFHI Application Fee: $65
>
> Program Fee 2007/2008: $1935 + airfare but each site is different cost.
> CFHI has 12 rotation sites around the world.
>
> I recieved a grant from my school because I am spanish speaking so part
> of my trip was paid for.
>
> You fill out you application for whichever rotation you want and
> request a date and CFHI takes it from there. They are very organized
> and prepare you well for spending time abroad. The webiste is very
> helpful and has all the information about the rotations.
>

#20 From: "Harmony" <hamster11996@...>
Date: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:47 pm
Subject: CFHI student rotations
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I spent a month in Puerto Escondido Oaxaca Mexico. Oaxaca is the
poorest state in Mexico. You can check out my trip blog
http://harmsblogs.blogspot.com/ If you want to read more about Puerto
and my experiences.

CFHI Application Fee: $65

Program Fee 2007/2008: $1935 + airfare but each site is different cost.
CFHI has 12 rotation sites around the world.

I recieved a grant from my school because I am spanish speaking so part
of my trip was paid for.

You fill out you application for whichever rotation you want and
request a date and CFHI takes it from there. They are very organized
and prepare you well for spending time abroad. The webiste is very
helpful and has all the information about the rotations.

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