On Love, Light and Liberation
March 15, 2002

Greetings Tammy and All~~

I like this Yahoo Group because it is somewhat
different from other Yahoo Groups I am a Member of,
though, TIME ~~ the great Slave Master ~~ does not
allow me to post to any one Group on a regular basis.
At heart, I am a humane being who is deeply involved
in humane rights issues on the local level with a
global overview seeking cosmic comprehension of what
is going on.

In many ways, Online Activist Groups are incredibly
self absorbed, fail to see the big picture, connect
the dots and look outside their own home page website.
  Also preposterous is the fact that very few really
show any interest in helping to bridge the digital
divide between the ‘haves’ with Internet Access and
the ‘have-nots’ without Internet Access.  Thus, there
is a great Internet Access Gap, which is a symptom of
the larger global problem of the class chasm between
the ‘haves’ and the ‘have-nots’.

The analogy is that of little Red Army ants on
scattered little anthills with each little anthill
having its busy ants and aspirants for ‘King of the
Hill’ in a mutual masturbation dialectic.  Meanwhile,
the peasants starve to death in the New Dark Ages {and
‘peasants’ is NOT a dirty word as most humans on
Mother Earth live under peasant deprived survival
conditions} as The Wretched of Earth.

Digital Divide Network
http://www.digitaldividenetwork.org/content/sections/index.cfm

The Wretched of the Earth ~ by Frantz Fanon
http://www.hallworldhistory.com/africa/56.shtml

The scattered out websites of Online Activists Groups
make it easier for Our Evil Enemies to remain ‘in
power and secure’ and harder for us all to seek common
ground in order to work together as disciples of Our
Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

We must eliminate the dichotomy of Good Left-Wing
Versus Evil Right-Wing lazy thinking.  The truth is
the truth and has always been in the center.  We can
learn from good elements and from evil elements.  In
fact, if there is an Evil Personified Satan be sure
that his adherents are in the front pews of our Sunday
Churches.  Many are born-again only to die again.

Indeed, the truth can help set us free.  We must use
our own minds and figure stuff out for ourselves in
order to discover our own general truths.  You must do
the work yourself.  No one else can work out for you.
You must exercise your own muscles.  If any vision of
a truth is to come true it is up to you!  Not the
Pope, not the Pastor and not your Parent.

The truth can be found in the center of natural
elements and is often in the gray hidden areas of a
multi-colored rainbow cosmic life spectrum, not the
dead drabness of black and white Amerikan style.

We have the radical activists, the passive pacifists,
the angry anarchists, the confused religionists, and
assorted –ISTS each with their own brand of –ISMs,
such as, the newly found Amerikan patriotism, the
various brands of socialism, the veiled forms of
fascism etc.  The World Wide Web on the Internet has
become the new Tower of Babel as so many build up vain
icons in cyberspace to glorify their selfish
ego-selves without regards for the masses who are
always suffering in the misery of poverty.

Many voices are singing discordant tunes, but a good
healthy choir must sing in loving harmony ~~
complementing each other, encouraging each other,
uplifting the spirits of each other in our quest for
True Peace based upon solid humane principles upon
Mother Earth.  Much of the Emails and Websites are
mere divisive distractions and distractions can be
disguised evils in our midst.

It is not who gets the last word that matters … It is
the first bold action that makes the mark!

We must focus on progressive forward moving action in
our own local communities among our own families, in
our own neighborhoods and in our existential connected
reality.  The basics of survival are constants in our
lives = nutritional food, proper clothing, decent
shelter, medical care and quality education.

The Creator God promotes Love, Light and Liberation,
not hate, darkness and enslavement.  In our on-going
Spiritual Growth, we must strive to evolve beyond
being mere human beings into being truly HUMANE BEINGS
who have care, concern and compassion for others in
our own personal daily lives.

“You’ve got to do your own growing, no matter how tall
your grandfather was.” ~~  Irish Proverb

Essentially, this means getting involved in our own
lives, as participants in our own lives, in favor of a
real participatory democracy, not merely the present
corrupt representative democracy traditional to
Amerikan electoral politics.  We must be actors on the
many stages of history, not mere spectators as
innocents get slaughtered in outhouses of prisons.  We
must get involved HERE NOW!!!

Luke 4:18-20: King James Version (KJV)
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath
anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath
sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach
deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight
to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the
minister, and sat down.  And the eyes of all them that
were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

As Christians or simply as Spiritual Beings, do what
you can to help the poor, the homeless, and the
forgotten refugees, including ourselves.  Know that
the Creator God has no national borders, no religious
labels, no sexual genders, though I suspect there may
be favorites, especially those who sincerely strive
for peace, justice and liberty for all of humanity,
such as, Chief Arvol.

Chief Arvol Looking Horse ~~ A biography of Chief
Arvol Looking Horse, 19th Generation Keeper Of The
Sacred White Buffalo Calf Peace Pipe.
http://www.worldpeaceday.com/1999/arvolbio.html

In these troubled times, we must watch Jerusalem as it
is the center point for many social forces, struggles
and dynamics happening in today’s world.

Ezra 7:27
Blessed be the LORD God of our fathers, which hath put
such a thing as this in the king's heart, to beautify
the house of the LORD which is in Jerusalem:

Jeremiah 7:17
Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and
in the streets of Jerusalem?

Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!

Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and
high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy
Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

On Both Sides in the Mideast, Fear and Stress Are
Building
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/15/international/middleeast/15MOOD.html

U.S. Says Powell Demanded Pullout by Israeli Forces
{3-15-02}
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/15/international/middleeast/15MIDE.html

Forgive my pedagogy, now I have to go get my clean
laundry and put them in the dryer.  Domestic chores
cry out to be done for the day!

A few educational websites =
Official Megatrends Website
  http://www.naisbitt.com/

Internet Mental Health
http://www.mentalhealth.com/

The Recovery Emporium
http://www.recoveryemporium.com/

Yours Truly In Light, Love and Liberation~~
Peter S. Lopez de Sacra, Califas, Aztlan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--- nsirt <nsirt@...> wrote:
> Hi Peter:)
>
> Love, Light and Liberation!! I like that:)
>
I know you have your own group. I have given a link
in the bookmarks:)

I have signed up to your group. I feel overwhelmed
with everything.

It's kinda hard keeping up. Do you have any
particular issues that you feel might be appropriate
over here? Something that the group could get
together on and work on in conjunction
with your effort in your room? If you get a flash
please share with us:)

We are here to help shape the world into a new
reality; a true reality:) with love enough to go
around to God's chosen people: the Lovers:) and the
Dreamers:) and the Meek:) and the Warriors:) and the
Healers:)

Lights going off all over the place:)

I Love You Brother Peter:)

Your Sister, Tammy Joy:)

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Hello, everyone. Thanx for inviting me in this group, Tammy.
I wish all of you lots of Sunlight and energy around.
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Hare Krishna, JF
              My answer to if a lion would have to be a vegetarian to
transmigrate up the ladder would be no. The lion is naturally a preditor and
eats meat. All that is required is that he is a good lion. hehe
From animal to human form is what I believe the transmigration is. I agree that
the soul travels up the ladder to the human form after many rebirths. Once the
soul takes on a human form this is were the soul has the chance to make the
connection with God and be returned to the place of the Lord.
I believe that the meaning of life in the human form is to become God concious
and if in the human form one fails this realization then the soul transmigrates
to another lower life form. Depending on what the soul learns and and how it
conducts itself in life will determine what form it will take. I also believe
that the soul can take another human form immediately if  it falls short and
does enough good. In my religion I try to live by the 4 regulative principles.
No meat eating, no gambling, no intoxicants, and no illicit sex. I also believe
in the 3 modes of material nature being, goodness, passion, and ignorance. I
believe that falling short on any of the above principles or modes of material
nature could send me tumbling down the ladder.But hey, I'm ready for the
journey. I try to live my life in goodness toward man and animal alike. I am
just trying to live in a manner that will hopefully take me to eternal bliss
with the Lord or at least get another chance in my next life. This is what makes
life so interesting and wonderful to me.

  Peace,

           Jim

  Whatever joy there is in this world All comes from desiring others
to be happy, And whatever suffering there is in this world All comes
from desiring oneself to be happy. Shantideva

  http://www.geocities.com/veggieman48880/eating_meat_is_murder
   dragonfly_91200 <dragonfly_91200@...> wrote: Hi,
      I would like to say that I have much admiration for your
religious belief.
      As to whether man was intended to partake of the animal kingdom
for his meals.  I would have to say yes and no.  Although I would be
tempted to say that it appears a vegetarian may have achieved a
higher state of awareness, I have found this to be true in less cases
than more.  I personally could be quite content as a vegetarian.
Life does not however always offer that option.  Sometimes this has
to do with circumstance and necessity.
      I found your paragraph concerning transmigration to be quite
interesting.  I do not believe the soul migrates to a 'lower' form,
unless that soul choses to do so.  (Whatever state of being...that
soul will achieve without fail-the experience of life always moves
toward the higher entity, not away.) Though I do not contest your
belief.  But, if the soul transmigrated to a lion because that soul
ate meat in a past life, must the lion become a vegetarian that the
soul can 'move up the ladder' so to speak? :)
Loveya,
JF


--- In NSIRemoval@y..., veggieman <veggieman48880@y...> wrote:
>
>  Hare Krishna
> Scott, I am by no means a biblical scholar, however I believe the
answer to your question is in the question itself.  " But flesh with
the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat".
> Personaly, I believe the statement God made to Noah "Every moving
thing that liveth shall be meat for you"pertains to free will. As you
may have guessed I am not Christian I am Vaisnava so I live my life
according to the Vedic sciptures. I was born and raised a Christian
but I then lost faith and was an athiest for many years and when I
learned of Krishna and started gaining knowledge thereof it all made
perfect sense to me. I might add that according to ancient texts
written much earlier than the bible suggest a vegetarian way of life.
I have incuded some sites on this subect for you. There really is a
lot of evidence to indicate that God intended for man not to consume
animals. Too much to post in this reply. The most obvious of course
is " thou shalt not kill". Why many Christians believe this to only
mean man I cannot understand.
>
> 1) The SCRIPTURAL LAW reason
>
> Your consciousness at death will determine your next body
>
> If you have eaten animals (meat) all your life, your final thoughts
will be that of animals, you will take birth in the animal kingdom.
If you have lived a life of charity and generosity (helping people),
your final thoughts will be that of helping people, you will take
birth on one of the heavenly planets.
>
> "The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another." Lord Krishna (Bg. 15.8)
>
> "Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that
state he will attain without fail." Lord Krishna (Bg. 8.6)
>
> Ahimsa, the law of non-injury, is the Hindu's first duty in
fulfillment of his religious obligations to God and God's creation as
defined by the Vedic scriptures.
>
> 2) The KARMIC CONSEQUENCES reason
>
> All of our actions including our choice of food have karmic
consequences. By involving oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury,
pain and death, even indirectly by eating other creatures, one must
in the future experience in equal measure the suffering caused. If
you eat animals now, you build bad karma, which will result in
punishment in the future. This is guaranteed. The law of Karma is a
reality.
>
> 3) The SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS reason
>
> Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest
affects our consciousness, emotions and experiential patterns. If one
wants to live in higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and
love for all creatures, then he cannot eat meat, fish, shellfish,
fowl or eggs. By ingesting the grosser chemistries of animal foods,
one introduces into the body and mind anger, jealousy, fear, anxiety,
suspicion and a terrible fear of death, all of which are locked into
the flesh of butchered creatures. For these reasons, shakaharis
(vegetarians) live in higher consciousness and mansaharis (meat
eaters) abide in lower consciousness.
>
> http://www.karamsad.com/vegetarianism.htm
>
>
>
> Principle of Non-violence
> The Bible says, "Thou shalt not kill," but everywhere people are
slaughtering animals and eating them. All religious scriptures
promote non-violence as the first principle of religious life.
Whatever we see is created by God. No one has the right to kill
anything or anyone, because no one can create anything. We cannot
create an animal. We cannot create even a mosquito, so we should not
kill even a mosquito. Spiritual life means non-violence. Animals
should be protected. This is confirmed in the Bible:
>
> Whatever you do unto the least of my brothers, you do it unto me.
(Matthew 25:40)
>
> You shall not eat the fat of any ox or sheep or goat. Although the
fat of an animal that has died naturally or was killed by wild beasts
may be used in any other way, you may under no circumstances eat it.
For whoever eats the fat of an animal offered as a sacrifice to the
Lord, he shall be cut off from his people. Moreover, wherever you
dwell, you shall not eat any blood, whether of bird or animal.
Whoever eats any blood shall be cut off from his people. (Leviticus
7:22-27)
>
> And God said, "See, I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face
of the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit to be your
food. And to all the animals of the land, birds of the air, and
living things which crawl on the ground, I give them all green plants
as food." Then God looked at everything He had made and found it to
be good. (Genesis 1:29-31)
>
> To kill an ox is like slaying a man; sacrificing a lamb, like
breaking a dog's neck. (Isaiah 66:3-4)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1148/veg.htmlok
>
> http://www.bible.com/answers/avegetar.html
>
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4620/essene.htm
>
>
>
> Haribol, Jim
>
> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all
of you be of one mind, so you may live well together.
> Rig Veda Samhita 0.191
>
> http://www.geocities.com/veggieman48880/eating_meat_is_murder
>
>
>
>   Scott <TheHonScottATovey@y...> wrote: Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for answering a
> direct question with
> direct answer.
>
> You said that the bible teaches
> that we should not eat meat.
> Can you then explain this
> passage in Genesis 9:1-5?
>
> Gen. 9:1-5
> 1: And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said
> unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
> replenish the earth.
> 2: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall
> be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every
> fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
> earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into
> your hand are they delivered.
> 3: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat
> for you; even as the green herb have I given you
> all things.
> 4: But flesh with the life thereof, which is the
> blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
>
> Curiousely, God tells Noah that
> He has given the creatures to
> us for meat. How then is it murder?
>
>
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Dear Group,

I am unsubscribing from this group,

but before I leave I want to  recommend that Truthseekers in this group
visit http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012 and read trough the highly
enlighting articles on that site. (concentrate, focus, calm down)

It covers everything from Politics, "The Truth about Democracy":-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/democra.htm

to healing:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/heal

and explaining the symbolical meaning in various movies:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/movies.htm


Signs of Endtimes:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/signs.htm

and much more...

If you see the truth in them (everyone does not) then keep studying them
intensly and send for the book "The Way home or face The Fire"
also available from that site...

The things is, we are not yet one in Christ, and this planet is an insane
mess. People are blinded from the Truth. The evil greedy rulers of this
planet are indeed conspiring against the slaves. They have made up their own
ILLEGAL selfish laws that favour only the rich and have brainwashed nearly
everyone else to submit and watch TV and live their small lives in the
insane system, and pay alot of taxes etc(see http://100777.com/keyfiles.htm
and learn how you are being HAD)


Love, Light, _Truth_

Staffan - http://100777.com

Long live the Fighters:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/dune.htm

p.s I have unsubscribed so any possible replies per direct email

Hi Jamie:)

Just thought I would clarify something here:)

Jamie wrote:
> You demand Scott prostrate in admittance to you as Christ in the
> flesh. You appear as a religious ego.

Actually Jamie:) I guess you can say that I am demanding as you have
said, (I call it asking), for Scott to accept the possibility of
allowing Christ to exist in him to the level of Christ as He walked.
I see no evil in this. I do however recognize his fear of somehow
crossing some forbidden line that he somewhere in his youth
apparently, was told that he was not to border. I cannot respect a
self-willfully stunted person who insists on voicing his opinion in
order to craft a situation to his own chosen blind advantage. He
refuses the truth. He is no better than the chiropractors who do the
same. http://www.nsirtech.com/parallel.html

And yes, I'm a bitch:) I am not afraid to say so:)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/44

In Hope:)

Tammy Joy:)

Hi Jamie:)

Let me correct myself then:)

Scott, because you have showed no love for my brethren, including
myself, I do not care to hear your opinions any longer unless of
course you can come to grips with your egomaniacal demand for someone
to show you another way, with words that you yourself would use to
convince you otherwise:)

Is that better? :)

I am Spock :)

Tammy Joy

PS. Fascinating.

Hi,
      I would like to say that I have much admiration for your
religious belief.
      As to whether man was intended to partake of the animal kingdom
for his meals.  I would have to say yes and no.  Although I would be
tempted to say that it appears a vegetarian may have achieved a
higher state of awareness, I have found this to be true in less cases
than more.  I personally could be quite content as a vegetarian.
Life does not however always offer that option.  Sometimes this has
to do with circumstance and necessity.
      I found your paragraph concerning transmigration to be quite
interesting.  I do not believe the soul migrates to a 'lower' form,
unless that soul choses to do so.  (Whatever state of being...that
soul will achieve without fail-the experience of life always moves
toward the higher entity, not away.) Though I do not contest your
belief.  But, if the soul transmigrated to a lion because that soul
ate meat in a past life, must the lion become a vegetarian that the
soul can 'move up the ladder' so to speak? :)
Loveya,
JF


--- In NSIRemoval@y..., veggieman <veggieman48880@y...> wrote:
>
>  Hare Krishna
> Scott, I am by no means a biblical scholar, however I believe the
answer to your question is in the question itself.  " But flesh with
the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat".
> Personaly, I believe the statement God made to Noah "Every moving
thing that liveth shall be meat for you"pertains to free will. As you
may have guessed I am not Christian I am Vaisnava so I live my life
according to the Vedic sciptures. I was born and raised a Christian
but I then lost faith and was an athiest for many years and when I
learned of Krishna and started gaining knowledge thereof it all made
perfect sense to me. I might add that according to ancient texts
written much earlier than the bible suggest a vegetarian way of life.
I have incuded some sites on this subect for you. There really is a
lot of evidence to indicate that God intended for man not to consume
animals. Too much to post in this reply. The most obvious of course
is " thou shalt not kill". Why many Christians believe this to only
mean man I cannot understand.
>
> 1) The SCRIPTURAL LAW reason
>
> Your consciousness at death will determine your next body
>
> If you have eaten animals (meat) all your life, your final thoughts
will be that of animals, you will take birth in the animal kingdom.
If you have lived a life of charity and generosity (helping people),
your final thoughts will be that of helping people, you will take
birth on one of the heavenly planets.
>
> "The living entity in the material world carries his different
conceptions of life from one body to another as the air carries
aromas. Thus he takes one kind of body and again quits it to take
another." Lord Krishna (Bg. 15.8)
>
> "Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that
state he will attain without fail." Lord Krishna (Bg. 8.6)
>
> Ahimsa, the law of non-injury, is the Hindu's first duty in
fulfillment of his religious obligations to God and God's creation as
defined by the Vedic scriptures.
>
> 2) The KARMIC CONSEQUENCES reason
>
> All of our actions including our choice of food have karmic
consequences. By involving oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury,
pain and death, even indirectly by eating other creatures, one must
in the future experience in equal measure the suffering caused. If
you eat animals now, you build bad karma, which will result in
punishment in the future. This is guaranteed. The law of Karma is a
reality.
>
> 3) The SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS reason
>
> Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest
affects our consciousness, emotions and experiential patterns. If one
wants to live in higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and
love for all creatures, then he cannot eat meat, fish, shellfish,
fowl or eggs. By ingesting the grosser chemistries of animal foods,
one introduces into the body and mind anger, jealousy, fear, anxiety,
suspicion and a terrible fear of death, all of which are locked into
the flesh of butchered creatures. For these reasons, shakaharis
(vegetarians) live in higher consciousness and mansaharis (meat
eaters) abide in lower consciousness.
>
> http://www.karamsad.com/vegetarianism.htm
>
>
>
> Principle of Non-violence
> The Bible says, "Thou shalt not kill," but everywhere people are
slaughtering animals and eating them. All religious scriptures
promote non-violence as the first principle of religious life.
Whatever we see is created by God. No one has the right to kill
anything or anyone, because no one can create anything. We cannot
create an animal. We cannot create even a mosquito, so we should not
kill even a mosquito. Spiritual life means non-violence. Animals
should be protected. This is confirmed in the Bible:
>
> Whatever you do unto the least of my brothers, you do it unto me.
(Matthew 25:40)
>
> You shall not eat the fat of any ox or sheep or goat. Although the
fat of an animal that has died naturally or was killed by wild beasts
may be used in any other way, you may under no circumstances eat it.
For whoever eats the fat of an animal offered as a sacrifice to the
Lord, he shall be cut off from his people. Moreover, wherever you
dwell, you shall not eat any blood, whether of bird or animal.
Whoever eats any blood shall be cut off from his people. (Leviticus
7:22-27)
>
> And God said, "See, I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face
of the earth and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit to be your
food. And to all the animals of the land, birds of the air, and
living things which crawl on the ground, I give them all green plants
as food." Then God looked at everything He had made and found it to
be good. (Genesis 1:29-31)
>
> To kill an ox is like slaying a man; sacrificing a lamb, like
breaking a dog's neck. (Isaiah 66:3-4)
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1148/veg.htmlok
>
> http://www.bible.com/answers/avegetar.html
>
> http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4620/essene.htm
>
>
>
> Haribol, Jim
>
> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all
of you be of one mind, so you may live well together.
> Rig Veda Samhita 0.191
>
> http://www.geocities.com/veggieman48880/eating_meat_is_murder
>
>
>
>   Scott <TheHonScottATovey@y...> wrote: Hi Jim,
>
> Thanks for answering a
> direct question with
> direct answer.
>
> You said that the bible teaches
> that we should not eat meat.
> Can you then explain this
> passage in Genesis 9:1-5?
>
> Gen. 9:1-5
> 1: And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said
> unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
> replenish the earth.
> 2: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall
> be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every
> fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
> earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into
> your hand are they delivered.
> 3: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat
> for you; even as the green herb have I given you
> all things.
> 4: But flesh with the life thereof, which is the
> blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
>
> Curiousely, God tells Noah that
> He has given the creatures to
> us for meat. How then is it murder?
>
>
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Hi,
     Tammy, with all due respect.
     I will begin this with three words from your last paragraph.
     "...I don't care..."
     These are the three most vile words in the english language.
     The most un-Christian profanity a Christian can utter.
     I do not always agree with Scott.  But I respect his beliefs.
     I respect yours also.
     The fact is, you and Scott have had an on-going battle.  Niether
of you can win this.  Flat out, because neither of you is right.
     Scott wants you to prostrate before man, 'woman' as he once
termed you.  He appears as a religious chavinist.
     You demand Scott prostrate in admittance to you as Christ in the
flesh.  You appear as a religious ego.
     You are both fighting something that is not there.
     Hate is not the opposite of love.
     Disdain is the opposite of love.
     The thin difference between love and hate is how we treat one
another.
     No offense, but I felt something should be said as this crosses
the boundry to disdain.
Loveya,
JF

--- In NSIRemoval@y..., "nsirt" <nsirt@y...> wrote:
> Hi Scott
>
> If you don't want to see at least the potential of Him in you, then
> guess what that means. That means you are NOT His chosen, BECAUSE,
> you refuse Him through my hand which is guided by God.
>
> I don't have to jump through your hoops. I'm not going to allow you
> to lead this group down a road that is not of love. To move to
change
> the subject, in order to poke fun at another's understanding is, I
> feel, exactly where you were headed.
>
> Now when I say understanding, I mean simply that, understanding,
not
> belief. You have a mighty BELIEF, but that is all that you have.
For
> you yourself said that you were 'fed up with God', did you not?
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> >Needless to say, where I am in
> >God right now, is fed up.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/173
>
> Well guess what Scott. God is fed up with you too.
>
> "You have wearied the Lord with your words. "How have we wearied
> him?" you ask. By saying, "Where is the God of justice?"
>
>
> I've been patient with you Scott, but you ARE treading on thin ice.
I
> am tired of your blindsight; I am fed up with your ignorance. And I
> judge you now; you are lost.
>
> But I tell you what; when you see Christ coming in His Father's
> kingdom as you see it, get ahold of us. Until then I encourage you
to
> pick up your bible, lay down your belief and your ego, close your
> mouth, open your eyes and your ears, and begin to allow yourself to
> be incorporated into the body of Christ. And if you don't, then I
> would be willing to see the smoke of your torment. It's just that
> simple.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Tammy Joy
>
> PS. If you can't do your homework with an open mind then I'm not
> going to fill in the gaps for you. You MUST take responsibility for
> yourself, and to be honest, you have pushed me too far this time. I
> don't care what you think, and unless I feel that your posts have
> merit they won't be on the board for long. I will thank you now for
> presenting your negativity to the group. I have learned something
> from this process anyway; I have been confirmed:)

Hare Krishna
Scott, I am by no means a biblical scholar, however I believe the answer to your
question is in the question itself.  " But flesh with the life thereof, which is
the blood thereof, shall ye not eat".
Personaly, I believe the statement God made to Noah "Every moving thing that
liveth shall be meat for you"pertains to free will. As you may have guessed I am
not Christian I am Vaisnava so I live my life according to the Vedic sciptures.
I was born and raised a Christian but I then lost faith and was an athiest for
many years and when I learned of Krishna and started gaining knowledge thereof
it all made perfect sense to me. I might add that according to ancient texts
written much earlier than the bible suggest a vegetarian way of life. I have
incuded some sites on this subect for you. There really is a lot of evidence to
indicate that God intended for man not to consume animals. Too much to post in
this reply. The most obvious of course is " thou shalt not kill". Why many
Christians believe this to only mean man I cannot understand.

1) The SCRIPTURAL LAW reason

Your consciousness at death will determine your next body

If you have eaten animals (meat) all your life, your final thoughts will be that
of animals, you will take birth in the animal kingdom. If you have lived a life
of charity and generosity (helping people), your final thoughts will be that of
helping people, you will take birth on one of the heavenly planets.

"The living entity in the material world carries his different conceptions of
life from one body to another as the air carries aromas. Thus he takes one kind
of body and again quits it to take another." Lord Krishna (Bg. 15.8)

"Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he
will attain without fail." Lord Krishna (Bg. 8.6)

Ahimsa, the law of non-injury, is the Hindu's first duty in fulfillment of his
religious obligations to God and God's creation as defined by the Vedic
scriptures.

2) The KARMIC CONSEQUENCES reason

All of our actions including our choice of food have karmic consequences. By
involving oneself in the cycle of inflicting injury, pain and death, even
indirectly by eating other creatures, one must in the future experience in equal
measure the suffering caused. If you eat animals now, you build bad karma, which
will result in punishment in the future. This is guaranteed. The law of Karma is
a reality.

3) The SPIRITUAL CONSCIOUSNESS reason

Food is the source of the body's chemistry, and what we ingest affects our
consciousness, emotions and experiential patterns. If one wants to live in
higher consciousness, in peace and happiness and love for all creatures, then he
cannot eat meat, fish, shellfish, fowl or eggs. By ingesting the grosser
chemistries of animal foods, one introduces into the body and mind anger,
jealousy, fear, anxiety, suspicion and a terrible fear of death, all of which
are locked into the flesh of butchered creatures. For these reasons, shakaharis
(vegetarians) live in higher consciousness and mansaharis (meat eaters) abide in
lower consciousness.

http://www.karamsad.com/vegetarianism.htm



Principle of Non-violence
The Bible says, "Thou shalt not kill," but everywhere people are slaughtering
animals and eating them. All religious scriptures promote non-violence as the
first principle of religious life. Whatever we see is created by God. No one has
the right to kill anything or anyone, because no one can create anything. We
cannot create an animal. We cannot create even a mosquito, so we should not kill
even a mosquito. Spiritual life means non-violence. Animals should be protected.
This is confirmed in the Bible:

Whatever you do unto the least of my brothers, you do it unto me. (Matthew
25:40)

You shall not eat the fat of any ox or sheep or goat. Although the fat of an
animal that has died naturally or was killed by wild beasts may be used in any
other way, you may under no circumstances eat it. For whoever eats the fat of an
animal offered as a sacrifice to the Lord, he shall be cut off from his people.
Moreover, wherever you dwell, you shall not eat any blood, whether of bird or
animal. Whoever eats any blood shall be cut off from his people. (Leviticus
7:22-27)

And God said, "See, I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the earth
and every tree that has seed-bearing fruit to be your food. And to all the
animals of the land, birds of the air, and living things which crawl on the
ground, I give them all green plants as food." Then God looked at everything He
had made and found it to be good. (Genesis 1:29-31)

To kill an ox is like slaying a man; sacrificing a lamb, like breaking a dog's
neck. (Isaiah 66:3-4)

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1148/veg.htmlok

http://www.bible.com/answers/avegetar.html

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4620/essene.htm



Haribol, Jim

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of
one mind, so you may live well together.
Rig Veda Samhita 0.191

http://www.geocities.com/veggieman48880/eating_meat_is_murder



   Scott <TheHonScottATovey@...> wrote: Hi Jim,

Thanks for answering a
direct question with
direct answer.

You said that the bible teaches
that we should not eat meat.
Can you then explain this
passage in Genesis 9:1-5?

Gen. 9:1-5
1: And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said
unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
replenish the earth.
2: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall
be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every
fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into
your hand are they delivered.
3: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat
for you; even as the green herb have I given you
all things.
4: But flesh with the life thereof, which is the
blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Curiousely, God tells Noah that
He has given the creatures to
us for meat. How then is it murder?


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Hi Jamie:)

Thank you for your response:)

Love you too:)

Tammy Joy

What goes around .... comes around .... kinda like a circle, huh? ;)

Hi All:)

I've temporarily changed the status of the polling options. If anyone
wants to see a particular question posed in poll form please don't
hesitate to write me at nsirt@....

Scott this option is not available to you until we hear your answer.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/213

Sincerely

Tammy Joy

Hi,
    I do not profess to have knowledge.
    I cannot say that the greek of this nor the russian of that.
Although I find these things very interesting.
    I also know that God sees not evil in a skyscraper.  The tower of
Babel was not built of stone.  The tower of Babel was one of
righteousness gone awry.
    It is not my intention to trash nor raise any religion.  Only to
keep in mind that one should not do onto another that which one would
not have done to oneself.
    If a person lives life in the pattern given by the Christ, it
matters not by which name they call the pattern.
    A rose by any other name...
Loveya,
JF



--- In NSIRemoval@y..., Scott <TheHonScottATovey@y...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> "Smiling...Sure Sounds To Me that Jesus Showed Us
>
> how to find God
> Inside us...A Way Shower~~~
> Krishna translated Means Anointed One....hey,
> Another Way Shower
> towards God ... in Us and All Around Us~~~"
>
>
> So are you saying that harry krishna,
> Mohamad, and Budha are on the same
> level as Jesus Christ?
>
> Scott.

Scott wrote:
> If this is in response
> to the definition of
> the Greek word parousia
> I posted, Your response
> is still a puzzle.


Oh you wish:) LOL

(Leans close and whispers in ear) Try this on for size:)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/195

Scott wrote:
> Did it strike you that maybe,
> he wasn't as honest about what
> he taught as you thought he was?

But as far as validating the torch that I am carrying now for my
lovely missing brother: http://www.nsirtech.com/parousia.htm did you
not concede http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/196 that
the last word of the definition was none other than PRESENCE? :)

You amuse me Scott.

Scott wrote:
> And what should we
> expect people to do when they
> find that what we claim to be
> the meaning of a word is not
> realy it's definition? Should
> we expect them to follow us
> dispite our deception?

Well what do you think? Do you think that we should follow you? I see
that you obviously haven't been paying attention to what your very
own fingers have been typing. LOL :)

Scott wrote:
> You have accused me of being a
> Judas goat, which by the way
> can never apply. I have never
> been your follower, thus, I can
> never betray you.

Do you know what a Judas goat is? In the stockyards, I don't know if
it's still done, but let's say when you're leading sheep to the
slaughter, there's a goat that will lead the sheep through the maze
of the stockyards and then, as they're heading into the chute, the
Judas goat jumps aside and the flock of sheep go pelting through to
get hit with electrodes or hammers and be slaughtered.
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciah3.html

You still insist on following your own delusion? Because I tell you
now that there aren't many here who do not see you for what you
really are.

You tell me, "How would you define you from a distance?". You only
have one word, or small less than five word term, to decide this
answer.

Anything more is hot air:)

In Christ:)

Tammy Joy:)

PS. I'm including this post in your folder. Please come on over and
have a looksee:) Scott, your posts are now on moderated status until
you can answer the question above with that one word or small term.
We'll have a consensus poll to decide if you are worthy of sharing
further. Please come on in and read the posts. They are moving in the
Christ-spirit, perhaps one day you will understand. I will be looking
forward to hearing from you. You are not being thrown out; you are
being set in the corner for being bad. You also have your textbook in
your hand; you simply have an assignment to do:) You are looking for
God's TRUTH.

> --- nsirt <nsirt@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Scott
> >
> > If you don't want to see at least the potential
> > of Him in you, then
> > guess what that means. That means you are NOT
> > His chosen, BECAUSE,
> > you refuse Him through my hand which is guided
> > by God.
> >
> > I don't have to jump through your hoops. I'm
> > not going to allow you
> > to lead this group down a road that is not of
> > love. To move to change
> > the subject, in order to poke fun at another's
> > understanding is, I
> > feel, exactly where you were headed.
> >
> > Now when I say understanding, I mean simply
> > that, understanding, not
> > belief. You have a mighty BELIEF, but that is
> > all that you have. For
> > you yourself said that you were 'fed up with
> > God', did you not?
> >
> > Scott wrote:
> >
> > >Needless to say, where I am in
> > >God right now, is fed up.
> >
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/173
> >
> > Well guess what Scott. God is fed up with you
> > too.
> >
> > "You have wearied the Lord with your words.
> > "How have we wearied
> > him?" you ask. By saying, "Where is the God of
> > justice?"
> >
> >
> > I've been patient with you Scott, but you ARE
> > treading on thin ice. I
> > am tired of your blindsight; I am fed up with
> > your ignorance. And I
> > judge you now; you are lost.
> >
> > But I tell you what; when you see Christ coming
> > in His Father's
> > kingdom as you see it, get ahold of us. Until
> > then I encourage you to
> > pick up your bible, lay down your belief and
> > your ego, close your
> > mouth, open your eyes and your ears, and begin
> > to allow yourself to
> > be incorporated into the body of Christ. And if
> > you don't, then I
> > would be willing to see the smoke of your
> > torment. It's just that
> > simple.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Tammy Joy
> >
> > PS. If you can't do your homework with an open
> > mind then I'm not
> > going to fill in the gaps for you. You MUST
> > take responsibility for
> > yourself, and to be honest, you have pushed me
> > too far this time. I
> > don't care what you think, and unless I feel
> > that your posts have
> > merit they won't be on the board for long. I
> > will thank you now for
> > presenting your negativity to the group. I have
> > learned something
> > from this process anyway; I have been
> > confirmed:)

Hi Peter:)

Love, Light and Liberation!! I like that:)

I know you have your own group. I have given a link in the bookmarks:)

I have signed up to your group. I feel overwhelmed with everything.
It's kinda hard keeping up. Do you have any particular issues that
you feel might be appropriate over here? Something that the group
could get together on and work on in conjunction with your effort in
your room? If you get a flash please share with us:) We are here to
help shape the world into a new reality; a true reality:) with love
enough to go around to God's chosen people: the Lovers:) and the
Dreamers:) and the Meek:) and the Warriors:) and the Healers:)

Lights going off all over the place:)

I Love You Brother Peter:)

Your Sister, Tammy Joy:)

Hello Wonderful Sun - Dreamer....Smiling Sooo Very Nice to meet You
and a Very Warm Loving Welcome to You!!!
If You wanna Know what this group is all About I think Tammy is gone
Be Your best Pick to Answer You!! ....However we do talk about
Spiritualism ...All the different ways and what All may meaning!
Another Love-Smile,
Birgit


--- In NSIRemoval@y..., "the_sun_burns_on" <tool_66_666_69@y...>
wrote:
> Hello i am  a dreamer aswell. thanks for the invite to the group i
> donot really under stand what it is about can you clue me in?

My Thanks to You Cybe!!!....Smiling that was an Easy One, Winkss;-}}}

--- In NSIRemoval@y..., "cybe100777" <cybe@i...> wrote:
> Yes, Christ and Buddha mean the same thing
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/buddha.htm
> Please see  and the rest of that site for knowledge on this very
> important matter..
>
>
> (mirrored at http://members.lycos.co.uk/JAHMP/)
>
>
> p.s The Sleeper Must Awaken:
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/dune.htm

Smiles And Joins Into the Singing With Double Fire....Sagi and
Leo...Gotta watch Out...It can get Wayyy to Hot!!!..LOLLLLLL
Another Love-Smile,
Birgit

--- In NSIRemoval@y..., "nsirt" <nsirt@y...> wrote:
> Hi All:)
>
> My mind just flashed to me, "Would anyone here like to share with
me
> your star sign/element?:)
>
> To introduce you better to my fire; I am LEO:); moon in Gemini,
> coupled with Venus. My fire burns hot and bright:) ... Love is in
the
> air:) (singing)
>
> Just a few nights ago now, the west twin of Gemini winked at
me:)!!!!!
>
> (Laughing, Smiling, clap, clap)
>
> WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> http://www.nsirtech.com/pride_vs_satisfaction.html
>
> In Love:)
>
> Tammy Joy:)

Hi Tammy,

Not sure where this came
from, so I must assume
that you can't handle my
questions.

If this is in response
to the definition of
the Greek word parousia
I posted, Your response
is still a puzzle.

Are you not seeking truth?
Why then, would the definition
of a word, that an individual
used to show what he taught
is truth, be offensive to you?
Did it strike you that maybe,
he wasn't as honest about what
he taught as you thought he was?

If we are going to use the Greak
words to explain our doctrine, then
should we not expect people to
look up the definitions of those
Greek words? And what should we
expect people to do when they
find that what we claim to be
the meaning of a word is not
realy it's definition? Should
we expect them to follow us
dispite our deception?

You have accused me of being a
Judas goat, which by the way
can never apply. I have never
been your follower, thus, I can
never betray you.

Thinking about it, you more than
likely find these questions
offensive as well.

Have a nice life Tammy.

Scott


--- nsirt <nsirt@...> wrote:
> Hi Scott
>
> If you don't want to see at least the potential
> of Him in you, then
> guess what that means. That means you are NOT
> His chosen, BECAUSE,
> you refuse Him through my hand which is guided
> by God.
>
> I don't have to jump through your hoops. I'm
> not going to allow you
> to lead this group down a road that is not of
> love. To move to change
> the subject, in order to poke fun at another's
> understanding is, I
> feel, exactly where you were headed.
>
> Now when I say understanding, I mean simply
> that, understanding, not
> belief. You have a mighty BELIEF, but that is
> all that you have. For
> you yourself said that you were 'fed up with
> God', did you not?
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> >Needless to say, where I am in
> >God right now, is fed up.
>
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/173
>
> Well guess what Scott. God is fed up with you
> too.
>
> "You have wearied the Lord with your words.
> "How have we wearied
> him?" you ask. By saying, "Where is the God of
> justice?"
>
>
> I've been patient with you Scott, but you ARE
> treading on thin ice. I
> am tired of your blindsight; I am fed up with
> your ignorance. And I
> judge you now; you are lost.
>
> But I tell you what; when you see Christ coming
> in His Father's
> kingdom as you see it, get ahold of us. Until
> then I encourage you to
> pick up your bible, lay down your belief and
> your ego, close your
> mouth, open your eyes and your ears, and begin
> to allow yourself to
> be incorporated into the body of Christ. And if
> you don't, then I
> would be willing to see the smoke of your
> torment. It's just that
> simple.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Tammy Joy
>
> PS. If you can't do your homework with an open
> mind then I'm not
> going to fill in the gaps for you. You MUST
> take responsibility for
> yourself, and to be honest, you have pushed me
> too far this time. I
> don't care what you think, and unless I feel
> that your posts have
> merit they won't be on the board for long. I
> will thank you now for
> presenting your negativity to the group. I have
> learned something
> from this process anyway; I have been
> confirmed:)
>
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for answering a
direct question with
direct answer.

You said that the bible teaches
that we should not eat meat.
Can you then explain this
passage in Genesis 9:1-5?

Gen. 9:1-5
1: And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said
unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
replenish the earth.
2: And the fear of you and the dread of you shall
be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every
fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the
earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into
your hand are they delivered.
3: Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat
for you; even as the green herb have I given you
all things.
4: But flesh with the life thereof, which is the
blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Curiousely, God tells Noah that
He has given the creatures to
us for meat. How then is it murder?

Scott.
--- veggieman <veggieman48880@...> wrote:
>
> Hare Krishna
> Hi all, Scott, I will answer your question with
> the words of Srila Prabhupada.
> ----------------------------------------
> Krishna or Christ, The Name Is the Same
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, and
> Christos is the Greek
> version of the word Krishna. When an Indian
> person calls on Krishna,
> he often says "Krista." Krishna is a Sanskrit
> word meaning the object
> of attraction." So when we address God as
> "Christ," "Krista,"
> or "Krishna," we indicate the same
> all-attractive Supreme Personality
> of Godhead. When Jesus said, "Our father, who
> art in heaven, hallowed
> be Thy name," that name of God was Krista or
> Krishna. "Christ" is
> simply another way of saying "Krista," and
> "Krista" is another way of
> pronouncing Krishna.
>
> Therefore, the Christian clergymen should
> cooperate with the Krishna
> consciousness movement. They should chant the
> name Christ or Christos
> and should stop condoning the slaughter of
> animals. This is not some
> philosophy that I have fabricated; it is taught
> in the Bible. If the
> Christians follow these principles, the world
> situation will improve.
> If they simply stop killing animals and chant
> the holy name of
> Christ, everything will be perfect. The Bible
> also demands this. So
> the Christians should cooperate with us and
> chant.
>
> Actually, it doesn't matter -- Krishna or
> Christ -- the name is the
> same. The main point is to chant the name of
> God. The easiest way is
> to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare
> Krishna, Krishna
> Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama
> Rama, Hare Hare.
>
> To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God]
> means to become free
> from designations like Hindu, Muslim,
> Christian, this or that, and
> simply to serve God. We have created Christian,
> Hindu and Mohammedan
> religions, but when we come to a religion
> without designations, in
> which we don't think we are Hindus or
> Christians or Mohammedans, then
> we can speak of pure religion, or bhakti.
>
> Haribol,  Jim
>
> LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of
> one accord, and all of you be of one mind, so
> you may live well together.
> Rig Veda Samhita 10.191
>
>
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>
>   Scott <TheHonScottATovey@...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You avoided my question,
> answering it with a question
> that has no relevance.
>
> This tells me you have something
> to hide.
>
> Scott.
> --- nsirt <nsirt@...> wrote:
> > Hi Scott:)
> >
> > I think the more important question here is:
> > "Are you willing to
> > allow for Jesus Christ to exist in you to
> that
> > level?:)".
> >
> > Scott wrote:
> >
> > > So are you saying that harry krishna,
> > > Mohamad, and Budha are on the same
> > > level as Jesus Christ?
> > >
> > > Scott.
> >
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>
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> suffering there is in this world All comes from
> desiring oneself to be happy. Shantideva
>
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Hi Sister Tammy~~ I believe that sharing is caring.  I do not subscribe to all
of astrology though
tbere is some truth to the idea that it is the study of the stars brought down
to Mother Earth.

I am ~~in essence ~~ a humane being deeply concerned about humane rights issues
and related
subjects.  I am 50 Earth years, believe in reincarnation.  I am of the Christian
faith but I do not just
subscribe to all things labeled Christian because the Pastor or the Pope says. 
I must check stuff
out for myself and make up my own minds about issues, subjects and questions. 
Above all ~~
I am a man who always questions!!!

I was born on November 15, 1951 in Sacramento, California at 10:24 PM according
to my Birth
Certificate.  Thus, I am of the Scorpio Sun Sign, Moon in Gemini and Leo Rising.
In my 3rd
house of Libra I have Venus, Saturn and Nepture.  Taurus is in my 10th House at
Mid-Heaven.

I now live in a HUD transitional housing-employment program called Mather
Community Campus on
the outskirts of Sacramento County on a former Air Force Base.  It is a great
program but I hope
to move into the Downtown Area in the near future.
My main interests revolve around HUMANE RIGHTS ISSUES.

Love, Light and Liberation~~
Brother Peter S. Lopez
   nsirt <nsirt@...> wrote: Hi All:)

My mind just flashed to me, "Would anyone here like to share with me
your star sign/element?:)

To introduce you better to my fire; I am LEO:); moon in Gemini,
coupled with Venus. My fire burns hot and bright:) ... Love is in the
air:) (singing)

Just a few nights ago now, the west twin of Gemini winked at me:)!!!!!

(Laughing, Smiling, clap, clap)

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nsirtech.com/pride_vs_satisfaction.html

In Love:)

Tammy Joy:)



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Hi All:)

My mind just flashed to me, "Would anyone here like to share with me
your star sign/element?:)

To introduce you better to my fire; I am LEO:); moon in Gemini,
coupled with Venus. My fire burns hot and bright:) ... Love is in the
air:) (singing)

Just a few nights ago now, the west twin of Gemini winked at me:)!!!!!

(Laughing, Smiling, clap, clap)

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nsirtech.com/pride_vs_satisfaction.html

In Love:)

Tammy Joy:)

Hi:)

Welcome to the group:) I am on a quest to realize heaven here on the
earth in this time:) We have a lot of work to do and I am prepared to
work shoulder to shoulder with Christ:) Many here are either
beginning to believe or have already been a member of that hope for
some time:)

Some are still plugged in, and may never accept this possibility. We
shall see:)

I have created a number of folders under the bookmark section that
allows people to get to know their neighbors better:) If you have a
contribution please just let me know:) I will be happy to include
your information in the bookmarks.

The home site can be found at http://www.nsirtech.com . My vision is
presented there along with factual information on paranormal
experiences that are going on around me. My struggle to bring a
better way to healing is on the home site as well as the opposition
that I have had to face in this quest.

Looking forward to hearing from you:)

In Christ:)

Tammy Joy

Hi Sun Burns On~~

You post a profound question. I am the General
Moderator for Humane Rights Agenda Yahoo Group
and one of its Members suggested this Group.

It seems proposed to mainly deal with Nerve Signals
Interference and the Moderator can elucidate further.

Just take it with a grain of salt and a granule of
sugar.  In a way, it is a Spiritual-type Group. As
there have of late been discussions about Christ
and other spirtual matters. Check out the Messages
in the archives for a better familiarization.

Keep Coming Back! ~~ Brother Peter
Email=  humaneliberation@...
--- the_sun_burns_on <tool_66_666_69@...> wrote:
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> to the group i
> donot really under stand what it is about can you
> clue me in?
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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/buddha.htm
Please see  and the rest of that site for knowledge on this very
important matter..


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p.s The Sleeper Must Awaken:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/dune.htm

Hi Jim:)

Thank you for responding:) I am glad to have you here:)

Thank you for your explanation and your insight. We are all one in
the Christ-energy, Christ-love, Christ-light, are we not? :)

Soon the wars will cease and we will be allowed to shine forth as the
sun in Our Father's kingdom!!!!!

The Creator God, The Creator God, Christ-energy, Christ-love, Christ-
spirit, Christ-Light ... Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna,
Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. :)

Yours in Christ:)

Tammy Joy:)

Hello i am  a dreamer aswell. thanks for the invite to the group i
donot really under stand what it is about can you clue me in?

Hare Krishna
Hi all, Scott, I will answer your question with the words of Srila Prabhupada.
----------------------------------------
Krishna or Christ, The Name Is the Same
----------------------------------------

Christ comes from the Greek word Christos, and Christos is the Greek
version of the word Krishna. When an Indian person calls on Krishna,
he often says "Krista." Krishna is a Sanskrit word meaning the object
of attraction." So when we address God as "Christ," "Krista,"
or "Krishna," we indicate the same all-attractive Supreme Personality
of Godhead. When Jesus said, "Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed
be Thy name," that name of God was Krista or Krishna. "Christ" is
simply another way of saying "Krista," and "Krista" is another way of
pronouncing Krishna.

Therefore, the Christian clergymen should cooperate with the Krishna
consciousness movement. They should chant the name Christ or Christos
and should stop condoning the slaughter of animals. This is not some
philosophy that I have fabricated; it is taught in the Bible. If the
Christians follow these principles, the world situation will improve.
If they simply stop killing animals and chant the holy name of
Christ, everything will be perfect. The Bible also demands this. So
the Christians should cooperate with us and chant.

Actually, it doesn't matter -- Krishna or Christ -- the name is the
same. The main point is to chant the name of God. The easiest way is
to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna
Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

To practice bhakti-yoga [loving service to God] means to become free
from designations like Hindu, Muslim, Christian, this or that, and
simply to serve God. We have created Christian, Hindu and Mohammedan
religions, but when we come to a religion without designations, in
which we don't think we are Hindus or Christians or Mohammedans, then
we can speak of pure religion, or bhakti.

Haribol,  Jim

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of
one mind, so you may live well together.
Rig Veda Samhita 10.191

http://www.geocities.com/veggieman48880/eating_meat_is_murder

   Scott <TheHonScottATovey@...> wrote: Hi,

You avoided my question,
answering it with a question
that has no relevance.

This tells me you have something
to hide.

Scott.
--- nsirt <nsirt@...> wrote:
> Hi Scott:)
>
> I think the more important question here is:
> "Are you willing to
> allow for Jesus Christ to exist in you to that
> level?:)".
>
> Scott wrote:
>
> > So are you saying that harry krishna,
> > Mohamad, and Budha are on the same
> > level as Jesus Christ?
> >
> > Scott.
>
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And whatever suffering there is in this world All comes from desiring oneself to
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Hi Peter:)

Thank you for your vision:) I'm a dreamer too:) With God, heaven IS
within our grasp.

I have signed up for the Times and included a link from the folder I
have created with your name on it.

Thank you:)

Tammy Joy

Hi Scott

If you don't want to see at least the potential of Him in you, then
guess what that means. That means you are NOT His chosen, BECAUSE,
you refuse Him through my hand which is guided by God.

I don't have to jump through your hoops. I'm not going to allow you
to lead this group down a road that is not of love. To move to change
the subject, in order to poke fun at another's understanding is, I
feel, exactly where you were headed.

Now when I say understanding, I mean simply that, understanding, not
belief. You have a mighty BELIEF, but that is all that you have. For
you yourself said that you were 'fed up with God', did you not?

Scott wrote:

>Needless to say, where I am in
>God right now, is fed up.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NSIRemoval/message/173

Well guess what Scott. God is fed up with you too.

"You have wearied the Lord with your words. "How have we wearied
him?" you ask. By saying, "Where is the God of justice?"


I've been patient with you Scott, but you ARE treading on thin ice. I
am tired of your blindsight; I am fed up with your ignorance. And I
judge you now; you are lost.

But I tell you what; when you see Christ coming in His Father's
kingdom as you see it, get ahold of us. Until then I encourage you to
pick up your bible, lay down your belief and your ego, close your
mouth, open your eyes and your ears, and begin to allow yourself to
be incorporated into the body of Christ. And if you don't, then I
would be willing to see the smoke of your torment. It's just that
simple.

Sincerely

Tammy Joy

PS. If you can't do your homework with an open mind then I'm not
going to fill in the gaps for you. You MUST take responsibility for
yourself, and to be honest, you have pushed me too far this time. I
don't care what you think, and unless I feel that your posts have
merit they won't be on the board for long. I will thank you now for
presenting your negativity to the group. I have learned something
from this process anyway; I have been confirmed:)

Hello Tammy,

I thought you would like to
have the definition of parousia
as defined fromthe Greek
dictionary in the Strongs Concordance.
Here it is.

3952 parousia a being near, i.e. advent
(often, return; specifically of Christ to punish
Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by
implication) physical(ly) Aspect coming,
presence.


Scott.

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