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Re: [NRCEV] We DO have jobs to do

I agree -- training kicks in when the chips are down. If you are comfortable
with your radio and with net discipline then it will be easier when things are
hot and heavy. If you have the comfort of the routine nature of a net, then
your stress goes down.

The routine and less than dire emergency IS training. It is different running
to train for the marathon that it is to run in the marathon.

You have to establish trust first. That means handling the non critical
communications for these groups.

Ham radio is part of our local MMRS - a very big part. We cover 20 sites over 7
counties. The hospitals love us, we are trained in using their radios as well
so use us more than others. But we always drill as if we are the only game in
town. Even when the drill was to test the new 800 mhz system, we responded and
we were used. It isn't what the drill is testing, it is what WE are tesing.
Hospitals will not only fax their info, but hand it to the hams to be relayed to
the EOC. It is the procedure. Our drills will routinely stop use of cell phones
and or landlines.

When the MMR system was activated to activated when we received Katrina
evacuee's, our MMRS chair person later told me when she saw the hams arrive at
the shelter, a weight came off her shoulders. She knew she would have
communications. The Red Cross person couldn't figure out why we were there as
they had communications. That was until her cell phone didn't work in side the
shelter.

You can't force your served agency to use you for anything they don't want to.
But doing what the ask and treating it like it is the most important thing you
will ever do, will go a long way towards them using you more and more. The
question then is... will you be ready when they do ask?




---- Henry T Sahler III <n9nox@...> wrote:
> Hi All
> Again here the point is being missed communicating with a served agency in all
of these other activities, which are non-emergency in nature, will make
communication in an emergency seem like every day, normal, (I hate to say it but
) routine stuff. Because there is and are different stresses in these
activities, stress is stress and if one learns to control it when the chips are
not down, when they are its not a problem.
> Henry
> N9NOX / WQDB217
> RED #4813
> Pleasant Prairie WI.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Dodson
> To: NRCEV@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [NRCEV] We DO have jobs to do
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> Joe Moell K0OV wrote: I disagree. With a little effort, hams COULD have
important jobs to
> do on a week-to-week basis.
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> I agree. In Kentucky we have several groups who assist regular localized
activities.
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> In western Kentucky, we have one group who regularly assists local EMA with
checks on county storm warning devices (Sirens). They report on any which fail
to activate during regular scheduled tests.
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>
> Another northern Kentucky ARES group are called in on almost any lost person
search to support the law enforcement search efforts and yes, they are trained
in lost person search and in many cases a good deal of the members have even
taken search management training. Other groups work with local CitizenCorps
CERT’s and regional National Disaster Medical System (NDMS) and Metropolitan
Medical Response System (MMRS) activities while others work with regional
weapons of mass destruction/ haz-mat/ bio response teams that our state homeland
security operate. One south central Ky group performs “Highway Overpass
Watch” details assisting local law enforcement in preventing trouble at
interstate overpasses on events such as Halloween night. There is a world of
things one can do if you make the right connections and carry out requests
responsibly.
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> 73,
>
> Ron Dodson, KA4MAP
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> Former Ky SEC
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NRCEV@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NRCEV@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
homingin73
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:43 AM
> To: NRCEV@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [NRCEV] We DO have jobs to do
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> Doug wrote:
> >That is a lack of a job to do. Fortunately
> >communications emergencies are rare events.
>
> There are potential clients that will use
> us. It may be true that "all else fails" events are rare, but
> communications disruptions do occur regularly. If hams are ready and
> callout systems are in place, we can serve agencies in these
> emergencies, getting valuable on-the-job training and developing
> excellent rapport with agency leaders.
>
> Take a look at www.hdscs.org
>
> This ARES group has never had an "all else fails" disaster, but in 25
> years it has responded almost 100 times to provide valuable service
> when hospital patients' lives were at risk due to comms interruptions.
> Ask any hospital disaster planner or Emergency Medical Services
> Agency person in Orange County about ham radio and they will have
> plenty of good things to say because of this continuous level of
> preparedness and service.
>
> That brings me to my beef with ARRL leadership -- it has been too
> focused on "all else fails" Katrina-like disasters and has not paid
> enough attention to hams' providing valuable support in the "little"
> emergencies that will cement our bonds with agencies and get us ready
> for the really big events.
>
> 73,
> Joe Moell K0OV
> Assistant Coordinator, HDSCS
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... I disagree. With a little effort, hams COULD have important jobs to do on a week-to-week basis. There are potential clients that will use us. It may be...
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Joe Moell K0OV wrote: I disagree. With a little effort, hams COULD have important jobs to do on a week-to-week basis. I agree. In Kentucky we have several...
Ron Dodson
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Jun 14, 2007
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... From: Ron Dodson Subject: RE: [NRCEV] We DO have jobs to do ... But NOT Emergency Communications -- the difference between Emergency Communications versus...
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Jun 14, 2007
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N4AOF wrote: To the extent that the ham radio organizations are actually involved in serving these agencies, it would represent good PRACTICE for emergency ...
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Jun 14, 2007
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Hi All Again here the point is being missed communicating with a served agency in all of these other activities, which are non-emergency in nature, will make...
Henry T Sahler III
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Jun 14, 2007
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The very point that I was trying to get across and said so poorly apparently. If they know you, trust you and come to see you for the little stuff, then they...
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Jun 14, 2007
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I agree -- training kicks in when the chips are down. If you are comfortable with your radio and with net discipline then it will be easier when things are...
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Jun 14, 2007
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This has been a great topic and I'm not trying to cut it short, but I want to throw a twist in to keep discussion here, at least partially addressing...
Chris
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Jun 14, 2007
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This has been in discussion in Ky since back when I first became Ky SEC in early 1999. KyEM (state EMA) had started doing a state credential for County EMA...
Ron Dodson
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Jun 14, 2007
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... Let me answer that question in reverse (where I think it has a stronger link)... I see some sort of experience as a vital element in upper level ...
n4aof
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Jun 15, 2007
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OK Will now that's a case of you have to show your self off. Most of the people in the powers that be area don't know that oh for instanst that most cell...
Henry T Sahler III
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Jun 14, 2007
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... of those ... I still disagree, and again I lift up Orange County Hospital Disaster Support Communications System (under ARES) as an example that hospitals...
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Jun 15, 2007
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Absolutely excellent, Ron, but I think you would have to agree that such exercises are even more rare than actual communications emergencies. ...
n4aof
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Jun 15, 2007
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I don't think these exercises are rare at all. I think that hams committing to what it takes to be actively included and then doing the job are what is rare....
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n0trk
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Jun 15, 2007
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I started to reply to this message but I gave up. Every time I read a paragraph and started to develop part of a discussion I found that the next paragraph...
n4aof
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Jun 16, 2007
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While there were a number of time gaps due to distractions while trying to do this email, your conclusions of it are not what I was attempting to convey. ...
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Jun 16, 2007
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What world are you living in? ... From: wb5izd To: NRCEV@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 13:05 Subject: Re: [NRCEV] We DO have jobs to do During...
n4aof
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Jun 17, 2007
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The sentence should have stated "during THE START and immediately AFTER THE START of the emergency". That means during the time the infrastructure is still...
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Jun 17, 2007
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Do you mean to say that CW is the only mode that might work in the early stages of an emergency? While I am an avid CW person (though not on the air very...
Robert Copelan
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Jun 18, 2007
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... He is still living in the imaginary world of the ARRL where "Emergency Communications" consists of hams sending formal message traffic to other hams --...
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The day after Katrina hit Louisiana and Mississippi, I picked my way down I-59 to where my elderly mother and two sisters were staying in southern Mississippi,...
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