Dear all, I'd appreciate if I can get feedback/clarification on the differences between "palliation" and "suppression" in general as well as they relate to ...
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DrZeff@...
drzeff
Dec 4, 2006 2:52 am
Dear Yinhsu, Palliation is the mitigation of symptoms without actual healing, to reduce or moderate the intensity of symptoms. Suppression, from the Latin,...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 4, 2006 8:13 pm
Hi Yinhsu, If you have a mosquito bite and you put plantain salve on it, the itching goes down. You have palliated the bite. If you have a toxic reaction to...
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DrZeff@...
drzeff
Dec 15, 2006 9:39 pm
I have a question: what is vis medicatrix naturae? Jared Zeff, ND Salmon Creek, WA...
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glg242
Dec 17, 2006 6:03 pm
Thats a good question. Sometimes I think it should have been two or three of the principles instead of one because there seem to be a few elements. I wonder...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 18, 2006 10:05 pm
HI Jared, I started to do some writing on the Vis for the foundations project. Attached is what I have come up with as a rough draft. Bill From: DrZeff@......
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tarapeyman
Dec 20, 2006 5:31 pm
I just want to express my thanks to Bill Mitchell and Jared Zeff for commenting on this distinction between palliation and suppression. Very helpful. Have a...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 20, 2006 5:32 pm
Hi Luke, I would agree that the Vis doesn't have to be confined to any particular single principle. The healing and restoring power of nature is, at the very...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 20, 2006 6:16 pm
Merry Christmas Tara and a happy new year. I hope your new year is filled with miracles. Bill From: "tarapeyman" <tarapeyman@...> Reply-To:...
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Mona Morstein
mmderdekea
Dec 21, 2006 5:20 pm
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 21, 2006 5:41 pm
I will wait a while, Mona. I am working on it and it changes daily. I am currently working on the spirit part which contains implicit salvational rhetoric. the...
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Kim Palka
mkpalka
Dec 29, 2006 5:58 pm
In re to what is the vis.... I love it, Dr. Z, that you are asking! Thanks for being that role model of continuous expansion of understanding. I think of the...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 29, 2006 8:07 pm
Hi Kim, thanks for your interest in the Vis. I've attacched some writing on the "Vis that can be of some use....at least parts of it. Hope you get a few ideas...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Dec 29, 2006 8:09 pm
Hi again Kim, I worte the stuff I just sent you (via attachment) on the vis over the last few months, and I am stunned that the ideas change constantly. The...
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Swan
thantor3
Dec 31, 2006 3:54 am
Dear Jared, Here is an attempt I made at writing about the vis in 1991, just as I was beginning my first year at Bastyr. Enjoy. Gary Piscopo To offer an...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Jan 2, 2007 6:19 pm
Hi Swan, I like the poetic images of the vis and your referral to your term biopsychosocial. It is diffecult to actually capture what a person is, let alone...
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moehabbahoo
Jan 5, 2007 6:37 am
I hope everyone had a great holiday season and that this new year is healthy and prosperous to all. I wanted to share an interesting discussion a good friend...
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Chance Diebold, ND
doctorchance
Jan 5, 2007 12:15 pm
Hi Tom - I would agree that intention is HUGE in medicine (in everything, but that's not the point here). I've one patient - who has breast cancer - who ...
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William Franklin
wfranklin_4
Jan 5, 2007 3:07 pm
Hello y'all, I've been mulling this over and have some questions. Thanks Bill for the essay, I remember you describing it this way at the Gathering last year...
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William Franklin
wfranklin_4
Jan 5, 2007 3:43 pm
I like the way you account for all 3 parties in the room, so to speak, the client/healer, the teacher/guide, and the medicinal medium. Intention of the...
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DrZeff@...
drzeff
Jan 5, 2007 4:20 pm
William, I think you have provided an excellent point. The problem here is that the Vis Medicatrix Naturae is not mathematics. I think Bill has provided an ...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Jan 5, 2007 8:01 pm
Hi Jared, Yes I'd say the Vis is not mathematics. Equations are descriptions of relationships, rather than just numbers. E=mC2 for instance does not involve...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Jan 5, 2007 8:22 pm
Hi William. I'd say that the vis is always operational irregardaless of the values of the vitality of any system. the good news about that is that we can...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Jan 5, 2007 8:23 pm
Hi Chance, So interesting to hear stories of Intention in action. Bill From: "Chance Diebold, ND" <chance@...> Reply-To: NDPhilosophy@yahoogroups.com...
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G.L. Nigh
gnigh
Jan 7, 2007 7:46 pm
I've decided to try articulating the crowd of thoughts I have on this topic. Here's a first pass: However we (individually) think of the Vis is an outgrowth of...
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DrZeff@...
drzeff
Jan 8, 2007 5:23 am
We are faced with an interesting problem. We understand our medicine to be a separate and distinct branch of the healing arts, or so we claim. Of singular...
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Chance Diebold, ND
doctorchance
Jan 8, 2007 5:31 pm
I remember one of my teachers saying, "sometimes, after you've done all you can, the most important thing to do is get out of the way." So many of us are...
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William Mitchell
billmitchellnd
Jan 8, 2007 5:35 pm
HI Greg. Sure liked your thoughts on the Vis. Yep...it's pretty deep. I printed them out so I can study them further. thanks for sharing these ideas...ideas...
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G.L. Nigh
gnigh
Jan 9, 2007 5:37 am
I'll break this all into parts to make it easier to read. I am a bit notorious for being verbose, and this will be no exception, I'm sure. My apologies ahead...
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G.L. Nigh
gnigh
Jan 9, 2007 5:48 am
"The healing power of nature is the inherent self-organizing and healing process of living systems which establishes, maintains and restores health....
