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Hello again everyone,
My thoughts on the original questions, I guess are these... I don't believe we can stimulate the VMN, I believe we can change our vital force. To me it is like gravity; I can gain or lose weight but I don't effect gravity itself, only its effect on me. I can go to another planet even, but gravity is still the same force, acting the same way, it isn't effected by me. Same for the VMN. And, like gravity I think we can learn about it but probably will never learn "it" directly.
I don't believe I can heal another person anymore than I can make another person happy or sad or mad or fulfilled. I can, however, give them opportunities to choose any of those for themselves. Their choices may be conscious or unconcious and I can also point out when they are being made unconsciously which I believe is usually beneficial for people to know. I don't
even really believe that my responsibility is to remove obstacles since it is ultimately the patient who must even do that. My responsibity as I see it is to compellingly alert the patient to the obstacles, the decisions un/conscious, the environmental conditions which need to be changed for optimization of health and provide assistance where I can in taking the actions necessary. Docere is my one true modality. If I fail at that, the script for the perfect remedy may not even be filled or followed. As a trainer and rehab specialist I didn't take credit for a client's succes nor the blame for their failures. I focused on whether the message got across clearly or not. I intend to practice medicine the same way.
I do believe that philosophical concepts are always fundamental and that they are entirely semantic but never "just". :) I also believe that philosophy is first and foremost
practical and should inform one's way of living or it isn't really philosophy. Much of what people call philosophy is actually cleverness for its own sake, in my opinion.
The battery of tests and treat the labs thing. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, specifically. I'll give an example from of how I see it. I am trained in karate and I am attacked at the ATM by a man who intends to harm me. I respond in kind with my karate training and injure him to defend myself. Same scenario, I am trained in aikido and I am attacked at the ATM. Because I am trained in aikido, my objective is to restore balance to the relationship between this man and myself, not merely to defend myself. I take responsibility for his safety and my own. So, I thwart his attack and I hold him immobile until he has exhausted whatever caused him to lose his balance and attack me. And, much like
homeopathy, I exaggerate his lack of balance so that his body experiences the fall his mind spirit have already gone through, which more quickly returns him to "here/now". Nothing like the jolt of the earth and gravity to wake up an attacker! From the outside they both look like a fight between combatants. But in the second scenario, there is only one combatant and there is one teacher. In allopathic medicine there is the doctor waging war and there is the patient's body mind spirit doing the same. In naturopathic medicine there is the patient's body mind spirit at war and there is a teacher of peace and balance.
And, finally, I believe that asking questions about spiritual relationship to the world at large should be as easy to a physician as asking about masturbation, drug use, abusive relationships and all of those other socially awkward topics we are expected to get comfortable with in
school. Am I going to take responsibility for "treating" spiritual issues? No. I am going to refer out to an appropriate authority just as I would if the person needed drug rehab, sex counseling, abuse shelter, or a good cardiologist. But I do believe it is negligent of me to pretend it has no place in the overall treatment plan and so, it should be consciously acknowledged. To me, treat the whole person means, the entire person, in his/her entirety, which includes spiritual componants. An atheist still has some sort of underlying concept of relationship to the big picture. This is what I consider sprituality. Just because a patient states they are an a-theist and don't believe in a god doesn't mean they are a-spiritual and don't believe they have a place in the scheme of things.
Merely my opinion in each case. And I'm not trying to answer for anyone
else or set professional policy. Who can argue with another physician's success?! Why would I want to? I'm just saying how I will practice next year and how I practice, practicing now.
Thanks MK for getting a little fire going..
William
MaryK Martin Geyer <naturecure@...> wrote:
MaryK Martin Geyer <naturecure@...> wrote:
Well, if we apply a tool to cure the unhealthy...What makes us any different than any other doctor? Do we promote cure? Isn't it really the patients own body that does the work? Do we attempt to remove the obstacles and watch the vis in action? No, I don't personally believe that we are learning the Vis. I think that we attempt to understand that amazing force called the Vis...but, it seems like saying that we are learning God/Goddess/Whatever higher power that you believe in. Do you learn God? It is my thought that we are learning the aspects of health, variations from health, and nature that are tangible to us...I emphasize tangible. What do we do?....Attempt to clean up the waste, promote normal blood and lymph, and increase vitality (isn't that tweaking around on the physical level and hoping that the vital force can properly channel that amazing vis?). Are these just semantics? Or, are they fundamental philosophical concepts that we should be questioning and seeking answers for?I'll end with a statement that may cause some discomfort...Do I run a battery of tests, treat lab values as the end all be all, throw a bunch of supplements at a patient, and cause cure? Is that really any different that the allopathic model? Also, something I observed alot in private practices, but not actually on site while in school...when was the last time you asked a patient on your initial intake, "do you have a spiritual connection?, what is is?, how do you feel about this?" I respect and honor your words...and thank you for being the only one to join the discussion thus far.Peace and Light~MaryK
On 6/13/07, moehabbahoo <moehabbahoo@yahoo.com > wrote:Hello,
I thought that we were supposed to use the tools available to us to
promote cure and health in our patients. So we use these tools
(homeopathy, manipulation, nutrition, hydrotherapy, mind body
medicine, etc)to accomplish our mission to cure the unhealthy.
As far as the phrase "learning the vis", in my inexperienced
experience, I have not heard people using that phrase. As doctors in
training are we not trying to learn the vis anyway? I don't find this
controversial at all, it is what we are doing.
tom
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle, 1854
William Franklin
SCNM Student
"How can a man find a sensible way to live? One way and one only – Philosophy. And my philosophy means keeping that vital spark within you free from damage and degradation, using it to transcend pain and pleasure, doing everything with a purpose, avoiding lies and hypocrisy, not relying on another person’s actions or failings. To accept everything that comes, and everything that is given, as coming from that same spiritual source." --Marcus Aurelius
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