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Hello, MaryK,

I'm not quite sure I understand your philosophical conundrums, but I
will try to answer your email anyway. I guess my view is a little
different from some of the others who have already quite impressively
put down their opinions. I probably would not consider myself to be a
philosopher, but I like reading about them. ;-)


> Do I really believe that I have the power to cure... am I really so
> pompous as to believe that I can CURE a patient and this is my high
> and only mission?

Yes, I am so pompous to believe I can work with a patient to remove
obstacles to cure and stimulate their VMN in a patient, thus enabling
them to heal and be cured. I have helped thousands of patients heal
up/be cured from conditions both acute and chronic. That is why I
became a naturopathic physician; to help patients heal. I have been
cured myself by NDs I sought treatment from. I do believe I have the
experience and knowledge, the compassion and caring, to help many
people be cured of the conditions that plague them.

We can take this discussion to all sorts of spiritual levels, and
wonder if we are truly healing folks on a spiritual plane if we simply
help them cure their strep throat without antibiotics. Frankly, I am
not that emotionally involved in wondering if my patient, now, say,
completely free of asthma, will now be able to elevate their karmic
status so they don't have to return to this plane of suffering in their
next reincarnation. Although, I think Maslow did have it right, that
elevating a person's quality of life by removing disease does much more
easily allow patients to focus on spiritual concerns. Of course, my
atheist patients don't care about that at all.

Patients do not generally come to me asking me to help them feel closer
to God, or to help them realize we are all truly a vibrating spectrum
of light, drops of an endless God, and that this physical existence
does not truly exist. (The few patients who have done so have felt
much better when given some B-complex.) ;-) I am not a spiritual
counselor; I am a doctor. I work physically/mental/emotionally with
patients in 99.5% of patients and my goal is to work with them to
institute a protocol which will cure them of their chief complaint.
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>
>
> Okay, so I won't wait for another discussion...I'll throw it out now.
> How often do we hear people state that they are stimulating the vital
> force...or learning the vis? I have a hard time with statements like
> these that are thrown around without so much as a thought (yes, I am
> intentionally using harsh language to get everyone's juices
> running :)). Do I really believe that I can stimulate the vital
> force? Or do we just clumsily move around and try to tweak whatever
> we can in the physical realm, while the vital force channels that
> amazing Vis? And back to that statement "learning the vis"...um, did
> I miss that class in school? The class where we were able to
> transcend all of our humanness and physical ties to this existence
> and actually learn about the intricacies of something that has no
> boundaries and follows no rules.

I have never heard anyone say they are "Learning the Vis", but I feel
very comfortable saying I stimulate the Vis. I DO stimulate the Vis in
patients. I don't understand why that is a difficult phrase for you.
Don't sleep for two days, drink a ton of coffee and alcohol, eat only
Twinkies, don't exercise, gain 60 pounds, and see how your life energy
feels. Then, sleep eight solid hours, exercise, eat whole organic
foods, and drink only water, laugh heartily, and see how your life
energy feels. The former lowers the VMN and the latter stimulates it;
we promote the latter in naturopathic medicine. This is a fairly
simple understanding of things in our profession, so I must somehow be
missing your existential angst.

I do not believe, as a physician, I am clumsily stumbling around with
my patients. Then again, I am an elder, and have much more confidence
in my work with patients. I think some of these concerns you have are
due to the fact you are a newbie grad, have little experience and are
just working hard to establish protocols you can trust. You have not
seen naturopathic medicine cure that many patients. Give it a couple
of years and I think your questions here will be quite solidly
resolved. Not due to ego, as I do not believe I am egotistical or
arrogant, but simply by seeing your compassion, caring, knowledge and
protocols lead to your patients being cured of their complaints,
through stimulating their VMN.

Yours,

Mona Morstein, ND
Mesa, AZ

Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:06 pm

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Hello, MaryK, I'm not quite sure I understand your philosophical conundrums, but I will try to answer your email anyway. I guess my view is a little different...
Mona Morstein
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I'm surprised to hear that no one who has responded has heard the expression, "learning the vis", since that is our Naturopathic Medical Student Association's...
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Jun 14, 2007
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oooooohhhh! I just had a eureka moment! Removal of obstacles to cure is something the patient must do, it is their path, their dis-ease, their cure. When I...
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