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Re: [NDPhilosophy] Re: Spicy Debate...Any takers???

> Attempt to clean up the waste, promote normal blood and lymph,
> and increase vitality (isn't that tweaking around on the physical
> level and hoping that the vital force can properly channel that
> amazing vis?).


Since mind/body/and spirit are not separate then how is it possible to tweak
only one? In addition many of our modalities focus act directly on the
non-physical aspect of the mind/body/spirit, as well as the physical ones.

As to "learning the vis" I have never heard of such a term either but I hope
that is precisely what we are doing. We are learning the laws of nature so that
we can live in accordance with them, help our patients to do so and to direct
our therapies in a way that makes use of this knowledge. You say the Vis is
God. I wouldn't disagree with you but I would say that in my opinion the
naturopathic view of god/nature is one that does not separate it from the
physical realm, nor make it inaccesible to human capacities. This split of
reality into Spirit and Matter is the basis of the philosophy of scientific
rationalism or mechanism and is quite different or even the opposite of what I
understand to be naturopathic principles. Certainly there are aspects that are
mysterious and beyond our knowledge but I think we are capable of "learning"
enough to work in accordance with it. That is why the Vis medicatrix is
partially defined in our six principles as being "the inherent self-organizing
and healing process of living systems which establishes, maintains and restores
health. Naturopathic medicine recognizes this healing process to be ordered and
intelligent. It is the naturopathic physician's role to support, facilitate and
augment this process by identifying and removing obstacles to health and
recovery, and by supporting the creation of a healthy internal and external
environment."

To merely "learn" the ways and complexity that makes it ordered and intelligent
and the different manifestations of the healing process is a great start to
catching a glimpse of its mysterious aspects. Other gifted individuals (NOT ME)
may in fact catch much more than a glimpse.

Luke, NCNM



Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:29 pm

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Wake up my philosophy friends/colleagues. I hope to spurn an avid discussion in this forum. So, I will pose some spicy questions. I'm going to state at the...
MaryK
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Jun 12, 2007
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Hello, I thought that we were supposed to use the tools available to us to promote cure and health in our patients. So we use these tools (homeopathy,...
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Jun 13, 2007
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Well, if we apply a tool to cure the unhealthy...What makes us any different than any other doctor? Do we promote cure? Isn't it really the patients own body...
MaryK Martin Geyer
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Jun 13, 2007
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Hello again everyone, My thoughts on the original questions, I guess are these... I don't believe we can stimulate the VMN, I believe we can change our vital...
William Franklin
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Jun 14, 2007
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... Since mind/body/and spirit are not separate then how is it possible to tweak only one? In addition many of our modalities focus act directly on the...
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OK I'll bite. "Since mind/body/spirit are not separate then how is it possible to tweak only one?" That is a very good question! How is it possible for...
William Franklin
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Jun 13, 2007
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... Yes, they are both affecting the mind/body/spirit unity. But, and a big but, one of them is consciously working WITH the laws of nature, the vis, to...
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Jun 14, 2007
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Hey everyone, You make some good points Luke. My point was that one of the main slanders we have about allopatihc treatments is that "they only treat the...
William Franklin
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Hey everyone..... I like your talk to William.... always have :0) I'd like to add a few things to the discussion, and try to offer a few more thought from a...
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Mm. Thanks Serron, I've been looking forward to hearing you in here! Thanks for that reminder, there is truly a fine line between healthy and unhealthy...
William Franklin
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Jun 16, 2007
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Alright, I'll bite, but I hope you aren't disappointed that I'm not coming in with my rhetorical fists swinging. At best, I've got a few observations. Or...
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