Dear Joshua,

Thank you for your observations regarding the NDPhilosphy home page,
and we (the moderators) have considered your opinion. However, we
both completely agree with Dr. Zeff, and the wording will not be
changed.

Thank you,
Aimee Knauff
SCNM student
co-moderator

--- In NDPhilosophy@yahoogroups.com, "jdgreen78" <thegreendoctor@...>
wrote:
>
> dear dr. zeff,
>
> i want to sincerely thank you for your heartfelt response. you make
> many fine points. and i would like to add that i look up to you as
a
> mentor for many reasons...so i am very honored to debate this topic
> with you.
>
> true, there are not groups calling themselves medical doctors who
are
> not (except those that forge their diplomas), but there are N.M.D.s,
> and D.O.s, and N.D's, and D.C.s, and naprapaths (the few and far
> betwen)and we are all doctors, and the public must discern on their
> own what doctor is licensed to do what, and there are
psychologists,
> and therapists, and the public must decide who would best fit their
> needs.
>
> why must we blow out others' candles to make ours glow brighter? i
> mean, i think most people, especially those who take the
> correspondence courses would agree(and some would disagree), their
> education pales in comparison to ours, but for whatever reasons they
> are doing the correspondence courses. would we want MD's saying
that
> they are REAL doctors and we are willy nilly woo woo quacks that
> diagnose bogus things like 'toxemia' and don't believe in
vaccination?
> i mean, we need to respect eachother's professions. sure, we can
and
> should make distinctions. this is not altogether different than in
> religion. yes, i am sorry, i am bringing up religion. how can one
> religion be better than another? how does one rate this? and is
that
> one religion right for everyone? what i am saying here is, we are
all
> different, and we are all called to our vocations for varied
reasons.
> i feel in my heart that the folks who are naturopaths from non-CNME
> accredited schools truly want to help people. i can't blame them
for
> not wanting to indebt themselves 150,000+ dollars and stress
> themselves out with our academic courseload. it is not a
naturopathic
> way of going through life, maybe it was years ago, but 28 credits,
> more than twice 'full-time' status, is not sane, nor is it healthy.
> has it provided me the ability to see where my strengths and
> weaknesses are, yes, and for that i am grateful. but i can't blame
> them for wanting to live a wholistic life and learn about
naturopathy
> on their own time.
>
> are they doctors? obviously not. but they learn and embrace our
> philosophies, and learn about some of the same modalities. why
> shouldn't we embrace them, they are like our cousins, or our
brothers,
> like cain and abel. like the jews and the arabs. if we could stop
> fighting with eachother, if the jews and arabs could stop fighting
> with eachother, we could see how we could all get what we need (not
> want, but need) and live together harmoniously. i think they feel
as
> threatened by us as we do by them. why not put out our hands and
> simply agree on how we can find licensure that makes distinctions
> between them and us and allows us both to practice. i agree with
you,
> they should not be able to use the name ND. i don't see why they
> can't be called naturopaths if they embrace our philosophy, and i
> don't see why we can't be called naturopathic doctors since we have
> the philosophy of naturopathy and the clinical training of a
doctor?
> this, i feel, would be very quick to comprehend if one was a client
> seeking naturopathic care. one is a doctor, one is not. both have
the
> same philosophies. and let the public choose. just as burger king
> and mcdonalds noticed years ago that they could actually increase
> business by being in proximity to eachother, so would we benefit
from
> embracing and not fighting the naturopathic healers from non-CNME
schools.
>
> and yes, i do think it is a love deficiency, i have to respectfully
> disagree with you, at the bottom of it all, it comes to this. one
> love, one heart, lets stay together and be alright, like it was in
the
> beginning. (bob marley) thank you for reading this, and i look
> forward to the responses.
>
> sincerely,
>
> with love,
>
> joshua green
> NCNM soon to be grad
> dr. schleich is our president
>