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Re: [NDPhilosophy] Is chelation therapy philosophically in line?

Dr Zeff and fellow philosophers,
 
I appreciate your insights on chelation therapy and the therapeutic order.
 
Could you clarify a point?
 
Since your comments focused on chelation and atherosclerosis, I believe that you're discussing EDTA chelation for the removal of calcium from atherosclerotic plaques.
 
I think that MaryK and Jennifer's original questions pertained more to chelation for removal of heavy metals.
 
Could you comment on this treatment application, as relates to obstacles to cure and the therapeutic order?
 
Many thanks,
 
Katherine Farber, Phoenix, AZ

 
On 4/23/07, DrZeff@... <DrZeff@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:31:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dj.williamson@yahoo.com writes:
Sorry to answer a question with a question, but I'm new to the clinic and actually using the therapeutic order.  Isn't the first step "Remove obstacles to health"?  Wouldn't chelation therapy fall into this category?  
I would disagree with this statement.  In the first place, IV therapy violates the vis medicatrix, in my opinion, in that it bypasses the body's wisdom regarding the composition of the blood.  This does not mean that it should never be done, necessarily but that it is a high force intervention. 
 
The therapeutic order contains several concepts.  The first step, really, is to address acute concerns.  The next step is to identify and remove causes.  The plaquing in the arteries is not a cause as much as it is an effect.  I have totally cleared arteries, by evidence of arteriogram, by dietary changes, exercise, and hydrotherapy, much to the amazement of a local cardiologist.  If this is possible, why introduce foreign substances into the blood by an unnatural route which may have significant adverse consequences for the patient?  I am not arguing against chelation therapy, per se, but it is not a first order therapeutic, it is a 6th or 7th order therapeutic by its nature.  At least, in my opinion.
 
Jared Zeff, ND
Salmon Creek, WA  




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I would love to stir up some deep reflection and thoughts on a topic that I've been adamently questioning for a long time now. Is chelation therapy...
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Mary - What, exactly is your take on it? Why would you consider it harmful? If so, would any IV therapy or therapeutic vitamin therapy be in the same ...
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Well, I'll weigh in with a few thoughts. My first thought is that I'm not sure I understand the question. It seems to me that it assumes chelation causes...
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Sorry to answer a question with a question, but I'm new to the clinic and actually using the therapeutic order. Isn't the first step "Remove obstacles to...
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I see that my original question was more poorly articulated that I had realized. Let me expound. My question is not whether or not it is in our arsenal (as I...
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Thanks for the clarification. It seems to me that the issue is around this phrase "fundamentally Naturopathic." If that is defined as meaning that only those...
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I think utilizing chelation therapy gives us the opportunity to remove significant obstacles to health that most people in this age have as a result of...
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I do not usually pipe in on these sort of topics, but I want to this time. Combining a single or combination of substances that have been extracted or...
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In a message dated 4/15/2007 9:31:04 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dj.williamson@... writes: Sorry to answer a question with a question, but I'm new to the...
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Dr Zeff and fellow philosophers, I appreciate your insights on chelation therapy and the therapeutic order. Could you clarify a point? Since your comments...
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In a message dated 4/23/2007 9:41:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dj.williamson@... writes: It is my understanding that toxins and heavy metals place a...
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Dr. Zeff, thank you for sharing more details on your approach to chelation. Since I'm just a beginner, may I dare to ask a clinical question? If this is out of...
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Dear Katherine, I assess the metal burden by a DMSA oral challenge, followed by 8 hour urine. I use Doctor's Data labs for the testing. I have used IV DMPS...
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Hello, Jared, Thanks for sharing so much. I do have a point of confusion regarding what you wrote. Is the only difference between, say, oral Captomer and IV...
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In a message dated 4/24/2007 7:50:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, monam@... writes: Is the only difference between, say, oral Captomer and IV DMSA, for...
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