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Re: [NDPhilosophy] Intention and the sort...

I like the way you account for all 3 parties in the room, so to speak, the client/healer, the teacher/guide, and the medicinal medium. 
 
Intention of the "healer" is a big one for me.  I prefer to see my [future] role as guide/teacher and see the healer is the one we usually describe as the patient or client.  Another topic. 
 
But anyway, while I can completely agree that intention is important, it concerns me to hear so many people place an almost magical capacity on it.  To hear many talk, good intention is THE key ingredient in a patient's healing and my success as a healer.  From my own experience in life, I know that I have wreaked a lot of havoc where my intention was to do no harm. 
 
Believing, as I've heard several say, that if you have good intention  it almost doesn't matter what you do, you'll be successful, is, in my opinion delusional at best, dangerous more likely.  How many doctors of any sort approach a patient with bad intentions? really?  My guess is very, very few.  Yet outcomes we would describe as undesirable happen every day, throughout the day. 

Just the way you described the importance of aligning healer, teacher and medicine, it is as vital to align, intention, knowledge, and skill of the teacher so that the medicine is aligned to the client and the situation.  The client's role is to align intention, action, and belief (I think... maybe).  I don't really know either, I'm sitting around looking at pictures and words too!
 
Oh, I just remembered a great piece of wisdom from Thoreau, he warns against people intending to do him good and says he runs from them.  I think there is some wisdom there as well.  Not having an intention to "do good", since "good" will then be defined on my terms and not the client's.  Have intention to serve the client's needs to best of my ability...?...  that feels right.
 
Thanks Tom,
William Franklin
SCNM student
moehabbahoo <moehabbahoo@...> wrote:
I hope everyone had a great holiday season and that this new year is
healthy and prosperous to all.

I wanted to share an interesting discussion a good friend and I had
today at lunch. We started talking about intention. We agreed that
intention plays a big part in outcome, whether it be in medicine or
not. For example, the intention the doctor brings during treatment.

That led to another observation, that of patient belief. If a person
who is seeking health does not believe that a certain medicine or type
of medicine is going to help them, than it probably won't. On the
other hand if a person believes, or is led to believe, that something
is going to help them, than it probably will. Another example, I have
a close relative who does not believe that naturopathic medicine could
help his health problems, but he does believe whole-heartedly that
when he goes to his MD and gets prescription drugs, that he will feel
better. And he does feel better, even though his body may be getting
worse.

Then we brought a third variable in, the power of the medicinal
substance. Many drugs overpower a persons free will, and in turn may
change their beliefs. Then they are dependent. Other substances do
this to us; sugar, caffeine, alcohol, illegal drugs, prescription
drugs, etc. On the other hand, we are being instructed to use gentle
medications, one's that will help and support an individuals own
healing process.

We then realized that quite possibly for effective treatment and
health promotion all three factors (intention of the giver, belief of
the receiver, and the nature of the medicine) have to be aligned.
Many of our modalities and even or philosophy tell us to work with the
body to promote healing, not to over-ride it and force it.

I dont mean for this be a long post, I tried to be to the point.
Please offer comments, and those of you who are in practice please
share if this way of thinking is inline with what you have
experienced. I am still a student who sits on my rear end all day and
looks at words and pictures to learn medicine, at least at this point ;)

Thanks!
Tom




William Franklin
SCNM Student

"How can a man find a sensible way to live? One way and one only – Philosophy. And my philosophy means keeping that vital spark within you free from damage and degradation, using it to transcend pain and pleasure, doing everything with a purpose, avoiding lies and hypocrisy, not relying on another person’s actions or failings. To accept everything that comes, and everything that is given, as coming from that same spiritual source." --Marcus Aurelius

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I hope everyone had a great holiday season and that this new year is healthy and prosperous to all. I wanted to share an interesting discussion a good friend...
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Hi Tom - I would agree that intention is HUGE in medicine (in everything, but that's not the point here). I've one patient - who has breast cancer - who ...
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Hi Chance, So interesting to hear stories of Intention in action. Bill From: "Chance Diebold, ND" <chance@...> Reply-To: NDPhilosophy@yahoogroups.com...
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I like the way you account for all 3 parties in the room, so to speak, the client/healer, the teacher/guide, and the medicinal medium. Intention of the...
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