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The response of the eye -- to a minus lens.   Message List  
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Re: The response of the eye -- to a minus lens.

--- In Myopiafree2@yahoogroups.com, Alex Eulenberg <alex@...> wrote:
>

> the burden of
> proof is on YOU to provide a controlled, randomized, multicenter
> study

Otis cut and copied a post from me on sci.med.vision responding to his post
about a graph of "stair case myopia" on the soon-i-can-see website in which he
said that the graph was based on scientific evidence. I and others have asked
him on sci.med.vision for a link to the evidence. He has not provided it. The
burden is on Otis to back his statement.

Judy
Thu Jul 2, 2009 12:32 am

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Dear Scientific friend, Here is Judy again, interpreting the primate data. I learned a hard lesson. Prevention with the plus is difficult – but NOT... 		Otis S. Brown
otisbrown17268
Offline Send Email 		Jun 25, 2009
8:26 pm

... http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.vision/browse_thread/thread/38c8527a79306740/e6757f74fc1078b1?hl=en& ... A child with a slight "negative state" will...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 26, 2009
1:12 pm

Dear Judy, You will find part of Dr. Flitcroft's response on sci.med.vision. But for now, we must EXTRAPOLATE the behavior of tne natural or fundamental eye,...
Otis S. Brown
otisbrown17268
Offline Send Email 		Jun 26, 2009
2:42 pm

... So you admit that you are unaware of any evidence that minus lenses, used to correct in existing myopia in primates, causes progression of myopia. Thanks...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 26, 2009
5:54 pm

... If anyone here finds Judy's statement reassuring with regard to the untested safety of the minus lens on people with pre-existing negative refractive...
Alex Eulenberg
i_see_owner
Offline Send Email 		Jun 26, 2009
7:27 pm

Dear Judy, I admit that you have a profoundly CLOSED MIND to ALL SCIENCE that shows that the fundamental eye is DYNAMIC -- in the first place. I have posted...
Otis S. Brown
otisbrown17268
Offline Send Email 		Jun 26, 2009
11:51 pm

... I asked: "If you have any evidence for myopic primates getting more myopic while wearing minus to correct their myopia, please share it." The Flitcroft...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 27, 2009
5:10 am

Dear Judy, Subject: WHO judges scientific evidence that the eye is dynamic?? Re: On a pure SCIENTIFIC LEVEL, or by people who "quick fix" in an office. Since...
Otis S. Brown
otisbrown17268
Offline Send Email 		Jun 27, 2009
11:40 am

... As I have pointed out to you many times, I (and likely most vision researchers and clinicians) would agree that the eye changes it's refractive power over...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 27, 2009
5:58 pm

... Evidence we have aplenty, which you keep denying. It's all here: http://www.i-see.org/myopia_correction.html ... You seem almost proud of the fact that...
Alex Eulenberg
i_see_owner
Offline Send Email 		Jun 28, 2009
9:46 pm

... I don't get your analogy. Doctors do not recommend a blood pressure lowering drug to those without high blood pressure. Similarly, they do not recommend...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 29, 2009
4:04 am

Dear Judy, Stop mis-quoting what I say about the MEASURED refractive STATES of the fundamental eye. Judy> As I have pointed out to you many times, I (and...
Otis S. Brown
otisbrown17268
Offline Send Email 		Jun 30, 2009
3:39 am

I asked if you have any evidence for myopic primates getting more myopic while wearing minus to correct their myopia. You have not answered, so I guess you...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 30, 2009
3:04 pm

Dear Judy, You may have not noticed, but no one to date has been concerned with prescribing a minus lens for monkeys who have a negative refractive STATE. But...
Otis S. Brown
otisbrown17268
Offline Send Email 		Jun 30, 2009
3:12 pm

... I think an intelligent scientist can understand the difference between confining a primate to a cage and fitting minus lenses to correct existing myopia. ...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 30, 2009
3:38 pm

... Let me lay it out for you again, as simply as I can. Applying a negative-diopter lens to any group of animals consistently results in a more negative...
Alex Eulenberg
i_see_owner
Offline Send Email 		Jun 30, 2009
5:27 pm

... Otis cut and copied a post from me on sci.med.vision responding to his post about a graph of "stair case myopia" on the soon-i-can-see website in which he...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jul 2, 2009
12:32 am

... I searched PubMed and sci.med.vision but did not find any studies or statements by Dr Flitcroft in which myopic primates with with fitted with minus lenses...
drjudy65
Offline Send Email 		Jun 26, 2009
6:25 pm
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