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Ignoring scientific truth -- when the facts "get in the way".   Message List  
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Re: Ignoring scientific truth -- when the facts "get in the way".

--- In Myopiafree2@yahoogroups.com, "Otis S. Brown" <otisbrown@...>
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>
> Dear Judy,
>
> Good -- then you agree with the Bates-Helmholtz
> concept of whole-eye change of refractive
> power-length. As controled by micro-blur
> sensed at the surface of the retina.

There is no Bates-Helmholtz concept. Bates denied the action of the
lens and ascribed all accommodation to axial length changed caused
by extra ocular muscles and his model is inconsistent with the known
large effect of the lens/small effect of axial length. Helmholtz's
model of ciliary body action on the lens is consistent with the very
small axial length contribution as that axial length change can be
easily attributed to contraction of the ciliary muscle as well.

For most purposes, we can "round off" accommodation effect to the
lens as the axial length change is so small. For example, a +6
accommodative change would be due to 5.97D of lens change and 0.03D
of axial length change -- I think we can agree that 5.97 can be
rounded up to 6 and 0.03 can be rounded down to zero. Similarly, a
3D accommodative change is 2.985 lens and 0.015 axial change.

>
> That is the first step of agreeing that
> a population of natural eyes are dynamic
> in terms of MEASURED refractive STATE.

Why do you say "first step"? It is well established that eyes
change total refractive power moment to moment with accommodation.
Refractive error can also change over time.

Judy




Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:09 pm

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Dear Second-opinion friends, Subject: Over-all concept of accommodation. The retina controls the over-all power of the eye. (Where power-length are converted,...
Otis S. Brown
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Feb 11, 2008
3:02 pm

... So calling an axial length change amounting to about 0.5% of the total power change "not significant" is biased, unscientific and ignores the facts. What...
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Feb 12, 2008
9:33 pm

Dear Judy, You are making your own judgment call about the dynamic behavior of the fundmental eye. I do not agree with your judgment. You can keep on insisting...
Otis S. Brown
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Feb 13, 2008
2:31 am

... I don't recall saying that the eye doesn't accommodate or saying that axial length doesn't change. Judy...
drjudy65
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Feb 13, 2008
4:08 am

Dear Judy, Good -- then you agree with the Bates-Helmholtz concept of whole-eye change of refractive power-length. As controled by micro-blur sensed at the...
Otis S. Brown
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Feb 13, 2008
5:58 am

... There is no Bates-Helmholtz concept. Bates denied the action of the lens and ascribed all accommodation to axial length changed caused by extra ocular...
drjudy65
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Feb 13, 2008
3:09 pm

Dear Judy, I am sorry you do not understand the concept that the retina controls the total power (length-power) of the eye. In fact Alex has submitted...
Otis S. Brown
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Feb 13, 2008
3:23 pm

... Please reread my posts and the literature. I have not disagreed that length changes. What I have pointed out is that the length change,as actually...
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Feb 14, 2008
2:58 pm

Dear Judy, Subject: Lens/Length change over time -- of -1/2 diopter per year. Judy> Please reread my posts and the literature. Otis> I have. I know your...
Otis S. Brown
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Feb 15, 2008
1:42 pm

... snip ... ??????????????????????????? You were discussing models of accommodation and now you are discussing emmetropization??????????????????? Helmholtz...
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Feb 15, 2008
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