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Re: [MN] Re: Avoiding Whey, Was Slimy Sauerkraut

I think the "white stuff" has been discussed from time to time
and usually it is a kind of yeast. My Mom described that it was
often on their homemade pickles in the past (though I haven't
gotten it). EM gets it too, or something like it.

Mold is typically "fuzzy" and it smells like mold.
Or at least the kind of mold that ruins ferments
does ... the kind of mold that turns rice into sake
or beans into miso is yummier.

Anyway, yeast tends to grow when there is more sugar
available, and beets are loaded with sugar. If there are
enough LAB around, they will drown out the yeast,
which is the theory behind the whey or other innoculants.
Some yeasts don't taste very good either.



On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Patricia Meyer<b-healthy@...> wrote:
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> I will also subscribe to the "no whey" is necessary for most ferments
> camp.  I started fermenting with whey because of the Nourishing
> Traditions but some time after realized that I liked the cabbage
> fermentation with salt only and other interesting flavours: ginger,
> carrots, caraway, etc.  much better. And have never had a bad batch
> (some taste better than others though!).
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> The one ferment that I sometimes have problems with is Beet Kvass and
> it requires whey or another inoculant (I have tried with sauerkraut
> juice, probiotic pills and pickle juice).  Does anybody know why it
> forms a film of white stuff on top sometimes?  Is it mold?
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Hi everyone, My name is France and I am totally new to all this. I need your advice. I have been trying to eat more raw food. 5 days ago I decided to try to...
france_133
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Jul 1, 2009
4:58 am

Personally, if it is slimy, I would not eat it. Kraut should not have the slimy bacteria in it. If you don't like salt, then you need to add acid ... vinegar...
Heather Twist
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Jul 1, 2009
6:33 am

Hi all, On a related note, is sauerkraut ever a cause of botulism? I did a search on PubMed for sauerkraut and botulism and did not find any information. I...
dlmarykwas
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Jul 1, 2009
3:22 pm

I did some research on this back when, and botulism (clostridium) is a pretty wimpy bacteria. It mainly grows when there is very little competition, and also...
Heather Twist
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Jul 1, 2009
4:48 pm

To me, when making sauerkraut or any other fermented vegetable product, it makes more sense to include whey and a modest amount of salt than to rely upon salt...
dlmarykwas
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Jul 3, 2009
6:27 am

I think that one bad experience is too little on which to based a lifetime's behaviour. I have made kraut without whey and it has never gone slimy (nor gone ...
Sally Eva
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Jul 3, 2009
6:48 am

... I love the elegance of that statement! If people want to add whey, and it works for them, sure, go for it. But I had the same issue: it was too hard for me...
Heather Twist
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Jul 3, 2009
7:49 am

I would just add that there are no known reported cases of food-borne illness from fermented vegetables. Obviously you don't want to eat something that looks,...
SeaDruid
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Jul 3, 2009
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I will also subscribe to the "no whey" is necessary for most ferments camp. I started fermenting with whey because of the Nourishing Traditions but some time...
Patricia Meyer
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Jul 3, 2009
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I think the "white stuff" has been discussed from time to time and usually it is a kind of yeast. My Mom described that it was often on their homemade pickles...
Heather Twist
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Jul 3, 2009
11:36 pm

I concur on the beet kvass Patricia, it needs a starter to taste right. I haven't found a good replacement for whey, I tried rejuvalac when I had some around...
SeaDruid
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