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Avoiding Whey, Was Slimy Sauerkraut

To me, when making sauerkraut or any other fermented vegetable product, it makes
more sense to include whey and a modest amount of salt than to rely upon salt or
acid vinegar or pepper or cabbage juice, hoping that these alternatives (to
direct inoculation) will favor the beneficial over the harmful bacteria. Whey as
a byproduct of fermenting cheese or making kefir etc. includes overwhelming
numbers of the beneficial lactic acid producing bacteria derived from the
starter culture and amplified during the cheese-making process. These large
numbers of beneficial bacteria can help ensure that any harmful bacteria present
in the cabbage or other ingredients are out-numbered. Also, many of the
beneficial bacteria used to ferment milk into cheese are the same as or similar
to those that are ultimately responsible for fermenting cabbage into kraut.

Cabbage that is naturally fermented into kraut due to the actions of the
cabbage's indigeous bacteria undergoes a natural succession; at first coliform
bacteria are favored (coliforms can be pathogenic), then the slimy Leuconostoc
are favored, and finally the lactic acid bacteria such as Lactobacilli
predominate and esentially eliminate the coliforms and Leuconostoc. For better
or for worse, I suspect that the addition of whey might actually reduce the
numbers of coliforms or Leuconostoc or even Clostridium botulinum growing in
one's sauerkraut.

I made one batch of cabbage kraut for a class I taught using a high- salt
no-whey recipe. It turned into a foul smelling slimy mess that I would not go
near. After that, I wasn't comfortable attempting kraut again until I chanced
upon recipes in Nourishing Traditions and in Klaus Kaufmann's Making Sauerkraut
that included whey.

Donna, Southern California




Thu Jul 2, 2009 11:32 pm

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Hi everyone, My name is France and I am totally new to all this. I need your advice. I have been trying to eat more raw food. 5 days ago I decided to try to...
france_133
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Jul 1, 2009
4:58 am

Personally, if it is slimy, I would not eat it. Kraut should not have the slimy bacteria in it. If you don't like salt, then you need to add acid ... vinegar...
Heather Twist
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Jul 1, 2009
6:33 am

Hi all, On a related note, is sauerkraut ever a cause of botulism? I did a search on PubMed for sauerkraut and botulism and did not find any information. I...
dlmarykwas
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Jul 1, 2009
3:22 pm

I did some research on this back when, and botulism (clostridium) is a pretty wimpy bacteria. It mainly grows when there is very little competition, and also...
Heather Twist
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Jul 1, 2009
4:48 pm

To me, when making sauerkraut or any other fermented vegetable product, it makes more sense to include whey and a modest amount of salt than to rely upon salt...
dlmarykwas
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Jul 3, 2009
6:27 am

I think that one bad experience is too little on which to based a lifetime's behaviour. I have made kraut without whey and it has never gone slimy (nor gone ...
Sally Eva
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Jul 3, 2009
6:48 am

... I love the elegance of that statement! If people want to add whey, and it works for them, sure, go for it. But I had the same issue: it was too hard for me...
Heather Twist
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Jul 3, 2009
7:49 am

I would just add that there are no known reported cases of food-borne illness from fermented vegetables. Obviously you don't want to eat something that looks,...
SeaDruid
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Jul 3, 2009
1:47 pm

I will also subscribe to the "no whey" is necessary for most ferments camp. I started fermenting with whey because of the Nourishing Traditions but some time...
Patricia Meyer
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Jul 3, 2009
6:04 pm

I think the "white stuff" has been discussed from time to time and usually it is a kind of yeast. My Mom described that it was often on their homemade pickles...
Heather Twist
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Jul 3, 2009
11:36 pm

I concur on the beet kvass Patricia, it needs a starter to taste right. I haven't found a good replacement for whey, I tried rejuvalac when I had some around...
SeaDruid
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