[The following I sent to my LETS currency groups but this is important
to all because it is at the financial root of medpot prohibition.
And it's great news.]


JCT: I've found 4500 new LETS in Argentina which raises my
list total at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/urlsnat.htm
from 2600 to 7100 systems. And I'll be coining a new English
word "trock" to define bartering time like Latin Trocquers
do or French Trocquers do or Argentinian Truequers do. I'll
trock my time for yours. I'll trock my wares for your IOU
credits. Troc like swap, and time counts too.
Leading into today's big story, I found another article
about Argentina's community currency revolution and here,
call it a preliminary treat, is:
My translation will be preceded with jct: while instant
commentary will be preceded with the usual JCT:

jct: J'ai trouve 4500 nouveaux SELs en Argentine ce qui
hausse le nombre total de 2600 at 7100 a mon liste mondial
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/urlsnat.htm Et je vais
creer un nouveau mot en Anglais pour definir le trocque,
soit le "trock." Je "trockerai" mon temps pour le votre.
Avant la grand manchette d'aujourd'hui, j'ai trouve un autre
article sur l'argent communautaire de l'Argentine et le
voici, disons un preliminaire.
Mes traductions du francais a l'anglais sont precedes par
jct: et mes commentaires instants sont precedes par JCT:


LE TROC, BOUEE DE SAUVETAGE DE DEUX MILLIONS D'ARGENTINS
CONTRE L'EXCLUSION

jct: TROCK. LIFE-SAVER AGAINST EXCLUSION FOR TWO MILLION
ARGENTINES

13/01/2002 - 19:02
BUENOS AIRES, 13 jan (AFP) -
http://www.courrierint.com/afp/actu/020113180213.ojur7wyd.asp

Etrangles par la crise, les Argentins tentent de survivre, y
compris par des moyens archaiques comme le troc, devenu un
veritable systeme d'economie parallele, organise et qui ne
cesse de s'etendre. "Deux millions d'Argentins sont
impliques dans le systeme de troc. C'est un moyen de sortir
de l'exclusion", a explique a l'AFP Graciela Draguicevich,
coordinatrice du plus important marche de troc de Buenos
Aires, installe dans le quartier populaire de Chacarita.
jct: Strangled by the financial crisis, Artentines are
trying to survive, including the use of archaic means like
"barter-trock," which has become a veritable parallel
economic system, self-forganized and that keeps making
noises. "Two million Argentines are enrolled in the Troc
system. It's a means of escaping exclusion, explained to AFP
Graciela Draguicevich, coordinator of the most important
troc market in Buenos Aires, installed in the popular
quarter of Chacarita.

Inspire des systemes d'echange local (SEL) francais et
canadien, les "nodos del trueque" ou clubs de troc sont
apparus en Argentine dans les annees 90. Ils etaient fondes
au depart sur des principes d'autosuffisance ecologique.
Mais depuis le debut de la recession en 1998, ils sont
devenus indispensables a la survie de nombre d'Argentins,
dans ce pays de 37 millions d'habitants, dont 44.2% de
pauvres.
jct: Inspired by French local exchange systems (SEL) and
Canadian (LETS - Local Employment-Trading System), the
"nodos del trueque" or trock clubs appeared on the Argentine
scene in the 1990s. They were founded from the start upon
principles of ecological self-sufficiency. But since the
beginning of the 1998 recession, they have become
indispensable to the survival of a number of Argentines, in
this nation of 37 million inhabitants, where 44.2% are poor.

Ces clubs sont aujourd'hui regroupes principalement
en deux reseaux: la Red del trueque solidario (Reseau du
troc solidaire) et la Red global del trueque (Reseau global
du troc), dont depend le "nodo" de Chacarita. "Au depart,
c'etait du troc direct, par exemple echanger de la
nourriture contre un vetement. Mais cela s'est revele
ingerable. Il n'est pas toujours facile de trouver deux
produits exactement de la meme valeur et cela excluait les
services, comme les soins ou les travaux de reparation",
poursuit Mme Draguicevich.
jct: These clubs are today grouped principally into two
networks. The "Red del trueque solidario" (Network of Troc
Solidarity) and the "Red global del trueque" (Network of
Global Troc) of which the Chacarita node is member. "At the
start, it was direct trading, for example some food for some
clothes. But that was found to be unmanagable. It isn't
always easy to find two products of exactly the same value
and it excluded services, like caring or repair work,"
continued Mrs. Draguicevich.

Afin de faciliter les echanges, les reseaux de troc ont donc
mis en place une veritable monnaie parallele et emettent des
"creditos", bouts de papiers de differentes valeurs
ressemblant a des cheques-restaurant ou a des billets de
Monopoly.
jct: To facilitate exchanges, the trading networks put into
place a veritable paralle currency and emit "creditos," bits
of paper of different values resembling restaurant vouchers
or Monopoly money.

JCT: "Funny money, funny money" was the jibe laughed at my
Social Credit grandfather Adelard Turmel with his "funny
money" Socred team. Who's laughing in Heaven now? Actually,
guys who are not laughing are not with Adelard anyway.
jct: "L'argent comic, l'argent comic," etait le geste dont
mon grand-pere Adelard Turmel et son equippe de Creditistes
pour l'argent "sans-interet" comic. Qui rit au ciel
maintenant? Cependant, ceux qui n'ont pas envi de rire ne
sont pas avec Adelard quand meme.

Un "credito" equivaut au prix d'un litre de lait, soit
actuellement 1,40 peso (moins d'un dollar), et environ 30
millions de ces bons sont en circulation dans le pays. Pour
beneficier du systeme, il suffit de s'inscrire dans un des
clubs. Chaque nouveau membre recoit alors 50 "creditos" qui
lui permettent de faire ses courses, prendre des cours,
consulter un medecin, un psychologue, un avocat ou se faire
couper les cheveux. En retour, il peut proposer ses propres
marchandises ou services, et ce dans n'importe quel "nodo"
du pays.

jct: A "creditos" is equivalent to the price of a litre of
milk, actually 1.4 Pesos (less than a dollar) and about 30
million of these bonds are in circulation in the country. To
benefit of the system, you only have to register in one of
the clubs. Each new member receives 50 "creditos" that let
him do his errands, take lessons, see a doctor, a
psychologist, a lawyer or to get his hair cut. In return, he
can propose to offer his own goods or services and this, in
any LETS branch across the country!

JCT: Wow!!! Largest and Biggest LETS in the world.
jct: Eclats!!! Le plus nombreux et le plus grand SEL au
monde

Sur l'un des stands, Analia Gomez, 41 ans, a etale des
vetements de bebe confectionnes par une amie couturiere. "Ce
bavoir vaut six creditos, cette grenouillere quinze. Je les
echange contre de la nourriture pour mes quatre enfants et
garde le peu de pesos que j'ai pour payer le loyer",
explique-t-elle.
jct: In one of the stalls, Analia Gomez, 41, has displayed
some baby clothes made by a friend who is a seamstress.
"This bib is worth six credits, this overall 15. I exchange
them for food for my four children and keep the few pesos
that I have to pay for the rent," she explained.

JCT: That is the major benefit of doing barter. Saving your
hard-to-keep cash in the bank and paying with anything but
that dangerous currency.

Le club de Chacarita, qui compte 2.300 membres, a ete ouvert
il y a seulement sept mois dans l'immeuble de l'"Asociacion
mutual sentimiento", une organisation d'entraide d'anciens
prisonniers politiques de la dictature argentine (1976-83).
"Nous avons debute sur un etage. A present nous en occupons
quatre et pensons en ouvrir un cinquieme. Depuis
l'instauration des restrictions aux retraits bancaires debut
decembre, les echanges ont augmente ici de 20%", ajoute
Graciela Draguicevich, 48 ans, dont six passes dans les
geoles de la repression militaire.
jct: The Chacarita club which numbers 2,300 members was only
opened 7 months ago in an office of the "Mutual Sentiment
Association," an self-help organisation of old political
prisoners of the Argentine dictature (1976-83). "We started
on one floor, we now occupy four and are thinking of opening
a fifth. Since the restrictions on bank withdrawals started
in December, exchanges have risen by 20%, added Graciela
Draguicevich, 48, who spent six terms in the jails of the
repressive military.

Passe alors une femme en blouse blanche. "Je suis
cardiologue a la retraite et j'ai envie d'aider les gens",
explique Muriel Leloir, niece du prix Nobel de chimie 1970,
Luis Federico Leloir, un medecin argentin ne a Paris. Ne
recevant qu'une modeste pension de 400 pesos par mois, cette
femme de 67 ans echange ses "creditos" contre des produits
menagers ou s'offre parfois le luxe de rentrer chez elle
avec l'un des taxis membres du club, plus confortable que
l'interminable trajet en autobus, dans la chaleur suffocante
de l'ete austral.
jct: Along passes by a lady in a white blouse. "I'm a
retired cardiologist and I would like to help people,"
explained Muriel Leloir, niece of Nobel Prize winning
chemist Luis Federico Leloir, an Argentine doctor born in
Paris. Receiving but a modest pension of 400 Pesos a month,
this dame of 67 years trades her "credits" for household
products and sometimes offers the luxury of accommodations
in her home with one of the taxi members of the club, more
comfortable than the interminable commute by bus, in a
suffocating heat of the austral summer.

La crise ne cessant de s'aggraver, le troc se generalise.
Crisanto Ripolas, un professeur au chomage de 57 ans, est
venu de Salta, l'une des provinces les plus pauvres, dans le
nord du pays. "Je veux me renseigner pour organiser un club
de troc la ou je vis, a Cafayate. C'est un palliatif
interessant, en marge du systeme, pour tous ceux qui meurent
de faim en Argentine". (C) AFP

jct: With the crisis not getting any better, barter is
spreading. Crisanto Ripolas, a unemployed 57-year-old
professor, is from Salta, one of the poorest provinces in
the north of the country. "I wanted to find learn how to
organize a trockclub where I live, in Cafayate. It's an
interesting palliative, on the edge of the system, for all
those who are dying of hunger in Argentina.
(C) AFP
===

JCT: And I'm sure that as soon as they're starving in the
streets in Canada and the States, they'll take their little
LETS systems more seriously too. But at least they're set up
and ready to go with trained administrators.

                     FEATURE PRESENTATION

Finally, the treat of the post, the latest news from (AP)
and Argentina coming from my money ally in Bordeaux France,
Serge Winston Smith sends:

>Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:24:56 +0200
>From: winston.smith@... (Winston Smith)
>Subject: [informations-SEL] Le troc prospere dans l'Argentine en crise
>To: informations-SEL@...

LE TROC PROSPERE DANS L'ARGENTINE EN CRISE
jct: TROCK PROSPERS PROSPERS IN ARGENTINIAN CRISIS

31 mai 2002
par Bill Cormier
http://www.edicom.ch/news/international/020531145628.fr.shtml

MONTE GRANDE, Argentine (AP) - Un jour, Regina Vereya en a
eu assez de la crise economique qui a fait fuir les clients
et provoque une vague de cambriolages dans son petit
comptoir de tabac. Effrayee, incapable de couvrir ses frais,
elle a vendu sa boutique et s'est jointe aux milliers
d'Argentins qui vivent desormais sans argent -ou presque-
grace au troc.
jct: MONTE GRANDE, Argentina (AP) - One day, Regina Vereya
had had enough of the economic crisis that had made her
clients flee and provoked a wave of robberies in her little
tobacco shop. Scared, unable to cover her expenses, she sold
her boutique and joined thousands of other Argentines who
live nevertheless without money, or almost, thanks to Troc.

"J'ai 50 ans et je dois prendre soin de ma fille handicapee.
C'est la seule maniere que j'ai trouvee pour subsister,"
explique-t-elle, assise derriere une table bancale dans un
marche improvise de Monte Grande, au sud-ouest de Buenos
Aires.
jct: I'm 50 years old and I have to take of my handicapped
daughter. It is the only way that I have found to subsist,"
she explained, seated behind her stall table in an
improvised marker of Monte Grande, in the south-west of
Buenos Aires.

En Argentine, le troc de biens et de services n'est plus une
nouveaute. En fait, depuis le debut de la crise economique
et politique qui secoue le pays, c'est meme devenu une
necessite. Un Argentin sur cinq n'a plus d'emploi. Et la
moitie des 36 millions d'habitants du grand pays d'Amerique
du Sud sont pauvres. Dans ce contexte, le trueque; ou troc
est devenu l'affaire de tous, des mecaniciens aux jeunes
professionnels au chomage.
jct: In Argentina, the trockof goods and services is no
longer a novelty. In fact, since the beginning of the
economic and political crisis shaking the country, it's even
become a necessity. One Argentine in five has no work.l And
half of the 36 million citizens of this large South American
country are poor. In this context, trueque, or barter, has
become the business of everyone, from mechanics to young
unemployed professionals.

En 1995, l'Argentine ne comptait qu'un seul club de troc.
Aujourd'hui, il y en a 5,000. Ils sont d'ailleurs tres
frequentis. On y echange de tout, des legumes au jambon, et
des cassettes video aux vetements pour enfant. Dans les
marches, on ne parle plus de pesos mais bien de "creditos",
ces notes de credit de la taille d'un billet de banque qui
ont remplace la monnaie dans les portefeuilles.
jct: In 1995, Argentina had only one barter club. Today,
there are 5,000. And they are very well attended. Everything
is exchanged, vegetables for ham, video casettes for baby
clothing. In the markets, no one talks of Pesos anymore but
of "Creditos," these credit notes the size of a bank note
that have replaced money in people's wallets.

Besoin de pain frais? cinq creditos. Une veste de laine? 12
creditos. Meme les mecaniciens, professeurs de maths et
organisateurs d'evenements ont repense leur tarification en
termes de "credits a l'heure". Il n'y a pas si longtemps,
Ricardo Salva etait proprietaire d'une boucherie. Mais son
commerce a ete emporte par la tourmente. Desormais, il
troque a temps plein pour nourrir ses sept enfants. "J'ai
commenci a faire cela il y a quatre mois, parce que je
n'avais pas le choix", explique-t-il. "Je n'ai aucune chance
de trouver un emploi pour le moment."
jct: Need fresh bread? Five Creditos. A woolen sweater? 12
Creditos. Even mechanics, math professors and events
organizers have rethought their tariff rates in terms of
"Credits per hour." Not long ago, Ricardo Salva was the
proprietor of a butcher shop. But his business was wrecked
by the financial cataclysm. Still, he trades full time to
feed his seven children. "I started doing this about four
months ago because I had no choice," he explained. "I have
no chance of finding work at the moment."

Depuis que la monnaie nationale a ete devaluee, en janvier,
280,000 personnes perdent leur emploi chaque mois en
Argentine. Selon Eduardo Ovalle, du groupe de reflexion
"Nueva Mayoria" la majorite d'entre eux se tournent vers le
troc. "C'est une riaction a la hausse du chomage, a la
pauvreti et a la devaluation de la monnaie", dit-il. A l'en
croire, environ 2.5 millions de personnes sont membres de
clubs de trocs. Et ce nombre pourrait atteindre quatre
millions d'ici la fin de l'annie. "C'est plus commun parmi
la classe ouvriere, mais cela s'est recemment repandu a tous
les echelons de la societe et meme dans les pays voisins."
jct: Since the national money was devalued in January,
280,000 people have lost their jobs each month in Argentina.
According to Eduardo Ovalle of the study group "Nueva
Mayoria," the majority of them turn to barter. "It's a
reaction to the increased unemployment, to the poverty, and
to the devaluation of money," he said. Believing him, there
are around 2.5 million people who are members of the trock
clubs. And the number could reach 4 million by the end of
the year."It is more common among the worker class, but it
has recently expanded to all echelons of society and even to
neighbouring countries.

JCT: Hey, they might have a Latin American LETS network set
up before they have a EuroLETS set up.
jct: Ils auront, peut-etre un reseau SEL Latin Americain
avant qu'il y soit un reseau EuroSEL?

La valeur totale des biens et services qui sont troques plutot
que vendus n'est pas comptabilisee. Mais les economistes sont
de plus en plus inquiets devant la montee en puissance d'une
economie sans argent.
jct: The total value of the goods and services swapped
rather than sold is not accounted for. But economists are
more and more worried faced with the mounting power of an
economy without money.

JCT: Pas "sans argent," "sans leur argent."
jct: Not "without money," "without their money."

Car, selon l'economiste Marshall Goldman, du College de
Wellesley (Massachusetts), le troc pourrait avoir des
consequences aussi desastreuses en Argentine qu'en Russie,
il y a dix ans. Avant l'effondrement de l'economie russe, en
1998, le troc equivalait a pres de la moitie des
transactions commerciales, rappelle Goldman. Or, a cette
echelle, l'echange de biens et de services encourage
l'evasion fiscale, l'inefficacite et la corruption.
jct: For, according to Marshall Goldman, of Wellesley
College in Massachusetts, barter could have as disastrous
consequences in Argentina as it did in Russia ten years ago.
Before the foundering of the Russian economy in 1998, barter
represented almost half of commercial transactions, recalls
Goldman. Or, at this level, the exchange of goods and
services encourages fiscal evasion, inefficiency and
corruption.

JCT: Tous ce qui n s'est encore jamais produit. Blamer les
gens qui font le troc lorsqu'ils n'ont plus d'argent serait
comme de blamer les gens d'avoir fait couler le bateau en se
preparant des bouees de sauvetage.  Si l'economie
fonctionait bien, et cet economiste trouve que, d'apres lui,
tout va bien; il n'a pas besoin de personne pour secouer son
bateau en batissant leur proper canot de sauvetage.

jct: All things that have not happened. Blaming people
resorting to barter when money runs out is much like blaming
people for breaking out the life-boats for causing the
sinking of the ship. If the economy were functioning well,
and he's an economist who thinks it's functioning just find
and dandy for him, it does not need people rocking his ship
by building their own life-boats.

Mais cela peut aussi avoir du bon. "Le troc est un signe que
quelque chose ne tourne pas rond dans l'economie, mais c'est
aussi la preuve que les gens tentent de s'en sortir et de
relancer la production," explique-t-il.
jct: But this can also have a good side. "Trocking is a sign
that something isn't working right in the economy, but it's
also the proof that people will try to get out from under it
and to relaunch productiohn," he explained.

Alberto Bernal, du groupe new-yorkais IDEAglobal, est moins
optimiste. "Quand autant de gens se tournent vers le troc,
c'est que le systeme financier ne fonctionne pas," constate-
t-il. Or, l'Argentine doit rebatir son credit pour que ses
citoyens puissent emprunter, se lancer en affaires et faire
tourner l'economie.
jct: Alberto Bernal, of the New York group IDEAglobal, is
less optimisitic. "When that many people turn to barter,
it's that the financial system is not working," he
concludes. But, Argentina has to rebuild its credit rating
so its citizens can get into debt, to launch businesses and
make the economy turn.

Certains croient que le troc est une bonne chose.
Personnellement, je pense que c'est un recul de 40 ans par
rapport a l'evolution du systeme financier.
jct: Some believe that the trock is a good thing.
Personally, I think it's a stepping back 40 years compared
to the evolution of the financial system.

JCT: So it works but it's 40 years behind the system that
does not!
jct: Ca marche mais c'est un recul de 40 ans par rapport a
l'evolution du systeme financier qui ne marche pas!

JCT: And that's why they invited John The Engineer Turmel to
get the UNILETS time-trading credits on the Millennium
Declaration.
For more leads to Argentina's LETS time-trading networks:
visit http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/urlsnat.htm
jct: Et c'est pour cela qu'ils ont invite John l'Ingenieur
Turmel a instaurer les credits d'UNILETS troc-temps sur la
Declaration Millenaire.
http://www.edicom.ch/news/international/020531145628.fr.shtml
Pour plus d'infos sur les reseaux SEL d'Argentine, visitez
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/urlsnat.htm
===

JCT: And to my medpot audience, you got this just because
you should know what's behind the multi-nationals being
forced to fight hemp. It it's legalized and they lose
market, they fail and they'll fight. With a LETS account,
they can't fail and have no need to fight hemp legalization.
jct: Et a mon auditoire de la mari-medicale, vous avez recu
ceci parceque vous devez savoir pourquoi les compagnies
multi-nationales

--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: A whole medpot.net crew attended the Thursday May 28
2002 hearing of the Senate Nolin Committee on illegal drugs.
So with possible headlines like:

         FED JUDGE THINKING ON ENDING PROHIBITION or

     94 DIED WAITING FOR EXEMPTIONS FOR PRESCRIPTIONS, or

      HEALTH CANADA FIASCO DEADLIER THAN WALKERTON, even

        EXPERT SAYS PROHIBITION RAISES ODDS OF DYING,

what top news angle did the Journal de Montreal editors
choose from Maude Goyer's story to excite their readers?
Extra, extra, read the breaking Journal de Montreal news:

LEGALISE MARIJUANA TO CUT SUPPORT TO ORGANISED CRIME

JCT: Wow. That's news to me. I didn't know that organized
crime was profiting from prohibition. I thought it was only
underground farmers. Or are farmers organized? Glad they
brought it to our attention that not only agriculture but
also organised crime profits from prohibition. I really
should have known. Glad the Journal de Montreal was there on
the spot to bring us latest need-to-know hot-breaking news.
So on to their report with my English translation preceded
by jct:

LEGALISER LA MARI POUR COUPER LES VIVRES AU CRIME ORGANISE
JM: La legalisation du cannabis au Canada couperait les
vivres au crime organise. Il s'agit la de l'une des bonnes
raisons de changer la politique publique, selon ce qu'ont
affirme les "pro-pot" presents aux audiences publiques
tenues par le Senat a Montreal hier.
LEGALISE MARIJUANA TO CUT SUPPORT TO ORGANISED CRIME
jct: JM: The legalisation of cannabis in Canada would cut
the resources to organized crime. That's one of the good
reasons to change public policy, according to those pro-pot
in the public hearing held by the Senate in Montreal
yesterday.

JM: Une centaine de citoyens se sont pointes, hier soir, au
rendez-vous fixe par le Comite special du Senat sur les
drogues illicites. Celui-ci est compose de cinq senateurs
qui s'arreteront dans cinq villes canadiennes dans les
prochaines semaines afin de sonder l'opinion publique sur la
legalisation du pot. Le Comite special s'appuiera sur les
idees emises lors des audiences pour elaborer son rapport,
qui sera remis en aout au Senat.
,jct: A hundred citizens attended last night's rendez-vous
with the Special Committee of the Senate on illicit drugs
composed of five senators who will be visiting five Canadian
cities in the next weeks to sound out public opinion on the
legalisation of pot. The Special Committee will rely on the
ideas expressed in the hearings to prepare its report to be
presented in the Senate in August.

JM: Le debat a ete ouvert par un panel de specialistes. Le
petit local etait bonde, et la grande majorite des
Montrealais presents etaient des partisans de la
consommation de marijuana.
jct: The debate was opened by a panel of specialists. The
small location almost spilled over and the large majority of
the Montrealers present were for the consumption of
marijuana.

JCT: Actually, no prohibitionist showed his face.
JCT: Aucun prohibitioniste s'est montre la face.

JM: EXPERTS <<ANTI-POT>>
Les deux experts <<anti-pot>> se sont fait huer a tour de
role apres leur discours. Le president du Comite Pierre-
Claude Nolin, a meme du calmer les esprits en debut de
soiree. <<Je comprends que c'est un debat qui est emotif
mais je ne tolererai pas qu'on prenne la parole dans le
desordre. Chacun a droit a son opinion>>, a t'il dit.
jct: The two <<anti-pot>> experts were booed in series after
their speeches. The Chairman of the Committee Pierre-Claude
Nolin even had to calm spirits at the start of the evening.
<<I understand that it's a debate that is emotional but I
will not tolerate talking out of order. Each has the right
to his opinion>>, he said.

A l'inverse de leurs collegues, les membres du panel en
faveur de la legalisation ont recu de chauds
applaudissements. Marie-Andree Bertrand, professeur en
criminologie a l'Universite de Montreal, etait de ceux la.
La specialiste, qui a siege a la Commission d'enquete sur
l'utilisation non medicale des drogues sous Trudeau, a
souligne, entre autres, que la legalisation apporterait un
controle de la qualite du cannabis.
jct: Unlike their colleagues, the panel members in favor of
legalisation received warm ovations. Marie-Andree Bertrand,
Criminology Professor at Montreal University, was one. The
specialist, who sat on Trudeau's Commission of Inquiry on
the non-medical use of drugs, underlined, among other
things, that the legalisation would permit a control on the
quality of cannabis.

JCT: What a non-issue. Quality. Like home-made beer or wine
needs government quality control.
jct: Quel question pas importante. La qualite. Comme si la
biere ou le vin fait chez soi a aussi besoin de controle de
la qualite.

JM: LA PAROLE AUX CITOYENS
Une quinzaine de citoyens ont ensuite pris la parole pour
livrer leurs impressions. Plusieurs d'entre eux se sont dits
preoccupes par les sources de ravitaillement. <<La
prohibition, c'est au crime organise que ca profite le
plus>>, dit Guillaume, un jeune homme present. <<Il va
toujours y avoir du monde qui va fumer du cannabis, mais
quand on se le procure illegalement, c'est le monde criminel
qui encaisse le cash...>>
jct: About fifteen citizens then gave their impressions.
Several expressed their concern with the sources of supply.
<<Prohibition profits organized crime the most>>, said
Guillaume, a young man in attendance. <<There will always be
people who will smoke cannabis, but when they have to
procure it illegally, it's the criminals who bank the
cash.>>

JCT: News to me too. When was this discovered? Why is this
not in the running for a Pulitzer prize in journalism? Is it
official. Has the Journal de Montreal determined on May 29
2002 that "it is the criminals who bank the cash." That's
their news. An editorial nose for news? Not.

CPAC has it too though. Worth seeing just to watch Colas
kick his own teeth in on TV.

I don't know if anyone else reported on any of the more
explosive stuff or if it has been left for my report on our
Montreal field trip next to see the Senate next.


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

MONTREAL DEMONSTRATION
JCT: Mom, Ray, Denise, Marc Paquette, Johnny Dupuis and I
went to Montreal for the public hearing of the Senate
Committee on Illegal Drugs chaired by Senator Pierre Claude
Nolin. Senators Shirley Maheu and Tommy Banks were with him.
We arrived in Montreal almost
an hour early so we pulled out our picket signs and started
a little demonstration for medical marijuana. We had mom and
Denise sit in lawnchairs with the "Stop the War on Drugs"
protest sign with the medpot leaf and as people went by, I'd
point at them and say "Grannies for Ganja." Then I'd doff my
cap showing my white hair and tell a little white lie "and
grand-dads too."

I noticed that the security guards were taking down the
signs announcing the Senate hearing off the building doors
and I wondered why they were doing it. Security was
overheard talking with a Senate aide about putting the
notice back on the door but they didn't want to because of
the demonstration outside! I joked that this was the Senate
they were fooling with. They could be charged with contempt
of Senate. They were unimpressed. I got to speak to Senators
Tommy Banks and Shirley Maheu for a few minutes outside and
gave them some clues as to the points I was going to be
making inside. Denise then went over and handed them some
flyers about her grower, hubby Ray, being busted and being a
threat to society.

SENATE HEARING OPENS:
Back inside, I thought the hall seating around 80-100 people
would be small but it did do perfectly. Senator Nolin
introduced everyone and then asked the panel for their
statements.

Panellists were:
Dr. Pierre Chiasson, semi-prohibitionist treating addiction;
Emile Colas, a prohibitionist lawyer provocateur;
Marie-Andree Bertrand, U o Montreal Criminologist
Marc-Boris St-Maurice: never-elected interim leader of the
Marijuana Party of Canada came for the historic videotaped
Senate panel hearing with suited senators, doctors, and
lawyers, in his orange vest and green T-shirt, though he did
take off his nose-ring, demonstrating once again his and the
party's firm resolve to join the mainstream in mature
political discussion.

QUIP GETS RULED FOUL
They all got a chance to speak and I got so nauseated
hearing the same old canards (French duck decoys) trotted
out that I once had to pipe up when one had stated "I
wouldn't want my airplane pilot smoking marijuana," I
quipped, knowing the true odds, "I wouldn't care." Senator
Nolin took a moment to chastise the interruption. I had
forgotten that this was not some political meeting where I
could play the "enfant terrible" and heckle my opponents'
speeches with quick one-line barbs. I did not quip again
unless part of a general heckling. But if my pilot was an
Epileptic or had Tendonitis or Fibromyalgia or Dystonia, I'd
want him flying with his medpot, wouldn't you?

DR CHIASSON: Prohibitionist-in-retreat
============

PAQUETTE'S QUESTION
Marc Paquette had spoken with Dr. Chiasson before the
meeting and asked him what someone with no liver to process
drugs was supposed to do if not smoke marijuana? The expert
doc had no answer for Marc's health predicament.

MARIJUANA ADDICTION?
The doc said he was involved with patients with addiction
problems, 30% of which had gone through "marijuana
addiction." Though he never gave us any statistics for any
of the patients who were addicted to only marijuana. Bet it
was close to zero. Bet they were mostly on harder drugs and
only tried marijuana on the way down. No one demanded the
statistics for what was actually being investigated,
marijuana! I didn't have the time in my presentation to
delve into such small, yet important, omissions. Imagine if
I were there to keep tabs on their numbers? Instead they've
probably got lawyers who barely got out of high school math.

ABOLITION LEADS TO GREATER USE
Another problem he raised that no Abolitionist on the panel
handled was the relation between alcohol prohibition being
abolished and its use going up and the logical expectation
that with cannabis prohibition being abolished, its use
would also go up. No one offered any answer to the problem
of increased use when prohibition is lifted.

And I wanted to scream ""Sure hope so. We want to get people
off the hard stuff and onto this soft stuff. It's better
medicine than the pills they're pushing on us now." At any
political meeting, I would have had the crowd in stitches
with that one. Once they were roaring, I'd have capped the
double punch-line with "Hope everyone ends up getting off
non-natural drugs." I'm sure, that would have brought the
house down.

Sad, it will have to wait for some political debate, not
Senate debate. Only invited panellist Marc-Boris St-Maurice
had the opportunity and he flubbed the reply. Imagine. Had
there been an election for the Marijuana Party of Canada on
April 20 2002 like advertised and it had been me up on that
panel as Marijuana Party of Canada leader instead me in the
audience as Abolitionist Party of Canada leader, I'd have
smashed the prohibitionists with humor and had the whole
place in stitches. Nothing wins a debate as handily as
laughing your opponents off the stage. Someday, I'll play
that series of quips at the "moment propice."

HERB MAKES STUPID, NOT ALWAYS
Doc Chiasson said he had cases where it rendered patients
kind of stupid. I didn't quip my usual "not in my case," a
sure crowd pleaser if I could later back it up. Someone
responded that it was only a temporary silliness and the doc
could not disagree. I'd have pointed out the expert evidence
in the Montreal Compassion Club case showed that cannabis
made people passive except in only one situation. My kind of
situation. Power Games. Would you rather play a power Poker
game with me straight or inspired? How else to explain
everyone at the table accepting that "The Professor" and
"The Maniac" can both apply at the same time. A robot with
flair. Mr. Spock's brain in Captain Kirk or Robin Hood or
whatever I've been called. But that was a piece of evidence
only I was programmed to notice.

SEDUCTIVE AIRPLANES
Dr. Chiasson did draw a laugh of derision when he said he'd
heard reports of an airline pilot on marijuana who thought
that the other planes were attacking his plane? After a puff
of laughing grass, I'd have wondered if the other plane
wasn't trying to seduce his plane, rather than attack.

NO TEST FOR DRIVERS
The doctor said that marijuana was innocuous because there
was no way to test if drivers were on it. Again no one
challenged the statement with the Australian statistics. I
was going to have to take precious seconds to do it.

EMILE COLAS: Prohibitionist Kamikaze with no bomb
============

PROTECT THE CHILDREN
This lawyer couched his prohibitionism in protecting the
children from danger. Everybody here knows what I think
about using parent-approved mari-muffins before little kids
get doctor-approved prescriptions for Ritalin and Prozac.
Anyway, no one on the panel mentioned kids' right to ingest
cannabis medicine too. Win another for the Prohibitionists
with these medpot sentinels asleep on duty.

LEDAIN DIDN'T THINK WHAT HE WROTE
He argued that his personal relationship with Gerald LeDain
of Commission fame allowed him to be trusted when he says he
knows what LeDain's report, completely misinterpreted by
everyone else who reads it, is really about. LeDain was
really against legalisation no matter how much LeDain
sounded like he was for it. A lawyer talking!

DANGER FROM MARIJUANA > TOBACCO
He trotted out the canard that smoking marijuana was more
dangerous that smoking tobacco. Since Boris didn't tackle
it, Senator Maheu asked how it was right to keep marijuana
illegal when alcohol, which is legal, causes so many deaths?
when cigarettes, which are legal, cause so many deaths? How
then to explain that pot is illegal? She forgot to include
"which causes no deaths" thus leaving the slippery lawyer an
out. And of all the hypocrite answers, this is the one that
gets me steamed up the most.

"Just because Government, in its zeal for the general well-
being, screwed up in permitting you alcohol and tobacco
doesn't mean it should screw up in permitting the third bad
habit."

It's this kind of thinking that mandates that any
presumption that medpot is in the same category as the other
two killer habits has to be challenged. Same thing with Sen.
Tommy Banks who cited how tobacco kills 60,000 a year,
alcohol kills 40,000 a year, and asked how marijuana could
be considered in the same category when it doesn't..."
waving the message that it was nothing like those numbers.
So no one rebutted with the "zero" card, not even the never-
elected interim leader of the Marijuana Party of Canada who
should have had that kind of info at his fingertips. I was
going to have to cut that Big Lie to ribbons though it would
take a few more of my precious 300 seconds. Really helped
when the lawyer urged us to be "logical" like him.

OMNIBUS BILL AND GAYS
He wants to protect his children from pot's pernicious
effects. As an example of how ceding control now over some
degenerate habit causes troubles later, he asked us to
consider Trudeau's Omnibus Bill that kept government out of
the bedrooms of the nation, (the one good thing I can
remember Trudeau ever doing.) [large round of applause]. He
continued that it had opened the door for gays to get the
right to parade naked in the streets. Now 'ils se sucent la
queue (le cul) en publique." "Now, they suck their tails
(their asses) in public." It would be worse if pot were
legalised, he pontificated.

DINOSAUR ONSTAGE
No kidding. The whole panel was aghast that they were on
public TV with this dinosaur. Actually, the whole room was
aghast too. The thought that once Colas had made sure to
check there is no medpot in your medicine cabinet, Colas'
Crusaders would be soon cruising through your bedrooms too.
"Do those two men seem to friendly?" Call Colas' Crusaders.
They'll check under their sheets for you for for lawful
combinations of genitalia."

This guy was so pompous and long-winded that I knew I'd have
to take him down a few pegs with my first blow. There were
just so many offensive things he'd said and so many great
shots I wanted to deliver, I wondered if he wasn't there
just to keep me from talking about my important news. He was
a perfect foil, a perfect stooge to elicit a knee-jerk
response to his neanderthal thinking. It was a real
disappointment not being able to pummel him at every line
like you all know I can cut and paste in an Internet debate.
Imagine if Senator Nolin published the hearing's transcripts
on the net. What a novel use of the new media.

"DRINK-BEER-LIKE-ME"
One great Colas statement was when he said he opposed people
using marijuana because he had managed to find a legal way
to relax. I remember Jean Chretien telling students who
wanted to smoke cannabis to "Drink Beer Like Me." My
standard answer to anyone who says they're content with
alcohol is "I don't want to be a drunk like you" which would
have brought down the house at any political meeting,
especially a pro-medpot audience. But I had no time to hit
him with it there and no one else hit him wit it there so
another chance is missed by inept panel Abolitionists
though you may have learned the optimum responses by now.

MARC-BORIS ST-MAURICE: Supposed Medpot Champion falls flat
======================

Can't remember anything but the missed opportunities.

MARIE-ANDREE BERTRAND: had the facts
======================

The Abolitionist criminologist Marie Andree Bertrand did
hold forth all the sound arguments on a number of occasions
but everyone should tune into CPAC to judge everyone else.

DISCUSSION
==========

DUMAURIER V CANNABIS
At one point, Dr. Chiasson pointed out the pack of DuMaurier
cigarettes hanging out of Boris's vest pocket and asked him
to read the danger message on it. Sure, sure, what of it?
Boris couldn't answer. It was if to say that they had failed
to help Boris avoid that addiction and they won't fail to help
Boris avoid this one. Boris missed the chance to riposte
with "if I had more of the good weed, I might smoke less of
the bad weed." Or he could have even challenged the canard
completely like he heard me do outside the hotel as he was
entering: "How come people who smoke only cannabis don't get
lung cancer?" and added "it's the chemicals they add, not
the tobacco." Maybe stopping him from smoking the cure to
the problem they failed to stop is just compounding their
original failure? Why can't people just decide on their own
drugs? Remember the Morgentaler decision? But the DuMaurier
off-topic ploy went unchallenged again.

TREATIES
Of course, Colas, the lawyer, raised the argument that our
international treaties forced us to keep the law the way it
was. Senator Maheu pointed out that Quebec mothers had
changed the laws against bastardom so that every child born
could now be baptised with no one ever being called a
bastard again. Laws could be changed. Another person
mentioned how his grandmother couldn't vote and they changed
that law too.

MEDPOT WARREN COMMISSION?
When you consider all the false statements left unchallenged
and so little true statements carrying the day in this panel
debate, it had the eerie feel of the Warren Commission that
concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald had managed all alone at
the last moment to get President Kennedy's parade route to
do a deke right in front of his building. If you don't ask
any of the right questions and only ask a lot of the wrong
questions, that is what you get. A magic bullet for an
answer.

PUBLIC OPINION
==============

IMMUNITY
Then came the public opinions. When Senator Nolin pointed
out that everyone was protected by Parliamentary immunity,
an old army sergeant's command that would have broken up a
political meeting, "Light-em if you got-em," came to mind if
not to mouth.

DENISE BEAUDOIN
===============
Denise was first up. She explained a few of her many medical
woes pointing out she was all busted up by a drunk driver
who only got 2 months, and then that marijuana was the only
thing that worked best. She said "I need pot. I'll never
stop smoking pot." Senator Nolin asked her if she had
applied for a Section 56! Ha! Yes she had. And been refused.
Even though all her doctors wanted her to smoke pot! He was
stunned. I wonder how Liberals on the panel felt? Then he
asked her where she got her pot. She explained she got it
from Ray, he was her grower and that's where Maheu pointed
out the flyer she had received as they entered earlier to
Nolin with the Cannabis Culture story, the Citizen and Sun's
"danger to society" stories too.

SCHOOL TEACHER
==============
A school teacher explained that most of his kids started
trying it around a certain grade and within a couple of
years, they had a handle on it and he did not consider it a
problem! Wow, don't tell me kids can be adults about medpot
too? He said it was not like other drugs and he was under
the impression that most weren't doing it anymore.

That's how much it affects their work. Actually, they're
probably not doing it when it would hurt their performance
since it is not addictive enough, though pleasant enough, to
disrupt their lives. More like chocolate ice cream than
heroine.

JOHN TURMEL
===========

I got my chance and after my standing in the line-up for 15
minutes, the crowd got used to the idea of the suit wearing
the white hard-hat. I introduced myself as John "The
Engineer" Turmel and said I was doing 13 of the top 14
medpot cases in the country.

COLAS' TRIAL AND ERROR LOGIC VS TURMEL'S BOOLEAN ALGEBRA
I led off with crowd-pleasing shots at the prohibitionists.
Colas, the lawyer, had given me a chance to put him down
with my superior education. He had used the word "logic" and
I'm sure pretty sure whatever he learned about logic in law
school didn't compare to the Boolean algebra taught to
engineers. His trial and error logic can be wrong, my hard-
wired logic circuits can not. So I pointed out how alcohol
and tobacco caused all those deaths while medpot cause none.
So where did he learn his logic to come to the conclusion
that something that never killed anyone is more dangerous
than tobacco that's killing 60,000 a year? Crowd cheered. No
answer to strategic Ace possible from the lo-tech
prohibitionist.

STONED-CALM DRIVERS HAVE NO MORE ACCIDENTS
Then I had to waste precious seconds on dispatching the
doctor's silly assumption that it's safer on a plane with a
straight pilot than with a pot-smoking one. I know the
Australian statistics show the odds are the same. So I just
pointed out that though drunks are twice as likely as
straights to have accidents, pot-smokers are no more likely
than straights to have accidents. Since the odds of crashing
with a stoned or a straight pilot are the same, if he wants
to give an overlay on the proposition, a professional
gambler would have to go with the pot-smoking pilot. I
would. I ended with "You don't even understand the stats."
Cheers again.

I think that took the wind out of prohibitionist sails.
What's fascinating about the accident statistics is that
though the Australian statistics show an equal number of
accidents, stoned and straights, actually there were more
"non-lethal" fender-benders by the less-fast driving of pot
smokers that balanced their smaller number of "lethal"
crashes. More fender-benders, less crashes, same average.
Given plane crashes usually end up with everyone dead no
matter how small, give me odds with cheaper insurance and
I'd have to pick the overlay, the better bet, the stoned-
calm pilot. But otherwise, it's the same.

But driving. There is a good case for smoking pot. If all
truck drivers were forced to take a puff or a bite of mari-
muffin before being allowed to drive the long hauls, there
would be less killer accidents, perhaps a few more bumps,
so, in humorous reality, a law forcing people to smoke
marijuana would cut back on traffic mortalities! Keep that
in mind the next time some Prohibitionist suggests pot is
dangerous because we can't test drivers to see if they took
any when we're soon going to be trying to test drivers to
make sure they did take their calming grass. Do you want
those truck drivers on approved pharmaceuticals that say on
the prescription "do not drive" or on a puff of stone-
calming laughing grass that says "ingest before driving.
Make road rage a laugh."

FOUR (4) JOINTS TO DRIVING IMPAIRMENT
Someone cited it took four (4) joints in order to truly
impair one's driving ability. This could be eerily true. It
does make sense out of the Australian statistics that
support the Ottawa cop who said that it seems to make people
more passive on our night trip to Cobourg when 3 squad cars
surrounded our exemptees, Paquette, Neron, Appleby at 4am
with half a pound of pot in the van. But only once they have
had 4 joints are they so disabled that they can't drive
safely. Who smokes 4 joints before driving home? Lots of
people have 4 beers but not 4 joints. Except for sick guys.
And they still seem to drive okay anyway. Their brains and
mouths still certainly work fine. Notice.

In all those court appearances, not one judge noticed that
the Applicants were all high. If you asked the judges, they
would have to admit that no one's faculties seemed to have
been impaired like a drunk's would have been impaired
despite their having smoked some of the most powerful weed
they could find right on the front steps of the Supreme
Court of Canada building before going in argue their cases.
Marc Paquette was repeatedly complimented on his orations.
No wonder stoners have no more accidents than straights. It
might make many sharper. Does for me.

I think I mentioned that enough time had been spent trying
to explain why medpot was NOT bad, that it was now time for
them to revisit why they had first ruled that medpot WAS
bad. Finally I got down to the meat of my presentation. And
it's on CPAC for May 28 2002 if anyone ever catches the
Montreal hearing.

PARKER IN PAQUETTE'S JUDICIAL REVIEW
I explained that the Parker decision forced the government
to open access to comply with his Charter S.7 right to life,
how the Government blew Parker's one-year deadline and how
Federal Court Justice Beaudry was deliberating right now on
declaring the law dead in Paquette's Judicial Review! I
think I mentioned how Ray's and my Parker challenges were
coming right up too.

Then I explained how the Court of Appeal had given the
government an extra year to continue violating the S.7
rights of Canadians which was a really stupid thing to do.
This wasn't delaying some girl's right to play
baseball with the boys for a year, or delaying the right to
gamble at dice rather than cards for a year, this was
delaying someone's right to live for a year. That extra year
Allan Rock's Ministry got to keep denying medicine to dying
patients cost 94 Canadians their lives. Not the brightest of
judgments on record. This is bigger than the Walkerton bad-
water scandal where government ineptitude only snuffed 7.

I explained how I had called as a witness the director of
the Marijuana Medical Access office, Cindy Cripps-Prawak,
who had refused exemptions for AIDS patients Don Appleby and
Ron St.Denis! When you make people with AIDS wait a year
before okaying, in Appleby's case refusing, their medicine,
some are not going to make it, he did, so far. And when you
can't close the correspondence with them, it's because they
are there to receive it, they died, and Health Canada can't
send a yes or a no. Cripps-Prawak testified in the Ray
Turmel trial that Health Canada called those Canadians'
files "dormants.' (I doubt I did the joke about the last
time a dormant woke up)

BLOOD OF 94 ON ROCK'S HANDS
"Alan Rock has the blood of 94 Canadians on his hands." That
set the room abuzz if not any reporters noses for news. It
hadn't yet dawned on most people how jerking sick people
around through bureaucratic hoops before they could get their
medicine had to have caused some casualties and it set them
areel as it should have.

So I ended once again pointing out that Justice Beaudry was
at that very moment thinking on declaring the law dead and I
urged the Senate panel to act immediately upon accepting
that the time to fix the law has fortunately elapsed. I
begged them to make a public statement avowing their belief
that the law is dead right now and urging Judge Beaudry to
declare the law dead right now. Pretty good response from
the crowd.

COMA GIRL
=========
One young girl said she had been stricken with a
debilitating disease, was even in a coma, had given up on
pharmaceutical drugs and turned to marijuana. She was now
cured and had stopped using the happiness herb.

Right on TV. I know what the Health Canada minions would be
saying" "anecdotal evidence is not scientific evidence" and
had any expert tried, there would have been one real
scientist in the room to say that "anecdotal is scientific
evidence. Statistical evidence, perhaps not, but scientific
evidence, certainly yes." Does anyone say she lied on TV?

JOHNNY DUPUIS
=============

30 MONTHS NO EXEMPTION
Johnny mentioned that he had applied for an exemption 30
months ago and was still fighting Health Canada in Federal
Court. He pointed out they had used the request for a
psychiatrist for the stabbing to his liver, lungs and
throat, as a way to stall his exemption even though his
doctor had written them it was not necessary and a total
waste of precious medical resources. They're still holding
out for the mental report on Johnny's innards.

NEEDED ONE DOCTOR, NOW THREE
He noted how when he first applied, he only needed one
doctor but now he would need three. This despite there not
being one doctor in Canada specialized in marijuana! None.
And most need three.

He pointed out he had personally heard some of his judges
say they were in favor of medpot. And he again repeated the
unknown news that the end of the law was being now
considered by Justice Beaudry in Paquette's Judicial Review.

RAY TURMEL
==========

ARMED DANGER TO SOCIETY
A few more people expressed the usual righteous comments and
then Ray introduced himself as a convicted grower awaiting
sentence, that he'd been labelled a danger to society. He
did not mention the weapons charge that had been dismissed
for lack of evidence of length.
See: http://www.medpot.net/rayknife.htm

GOVT@$31/GRAM BIKER@$15/GRAM HOMEGROWN@$1/GRAM
Ray said he was there to talk about money. What rocket
scientist had agreed to put a grow in a mine when there was
free sunshine and air up above? So it costs $31 a gram to
get it from govt in the mine, $15 to get it from bikers and
only $1 to produce at home. They broke up when he added the
government should at least buy from the bikers, we'd save
half and they'd pay taxes.

$1200 TAX-PAID PHARMACEUTICALS V. $100 HOMEGROWN MEDPOT
He then pointed out that they were all being taxed $1200 a
month to pay for Denise's pharmaceutical drugs when the best
could be grown for her at home for $100 a month. He said
they should take the contract from the miners and have the
best growing it, the bikers in the pen. And that broke up
the whole room up again.

MEDPOT IS GATE, NOT GATEWAY, TO HARDER DRUGS
He mentioned how he'd got hooked on cocaine years ago and
that marijuana acted as a gate, not a gateway, to harder
drugs. It keeps the violent people from going back to
violence too. Would you rather have them mugging you?

LIVING WITH SOMEONE'S PAIN WORSE THAN TREATING IT
He criticized Dr. Chiasson who wanted to wait for better
information saying "you may treat someone in pain, you don't
have to live with someone in pain." Actually, it's the first
time I've ever heard that angle expressed in public. The
Lattimer-RayTurmel impetus, Lattimer to kill the victim, Ray
Turmel to grow pot for the victim. And Turmel faces more
time in jail, life, and everyone knows no one goes to jail
for life for killing anyone these days. Out in 10 years, i
you're bad. As the media reported, Ray's marijuana growing
is the real danger to society. Finally, Ray qualified the
two prohibitionists, invited as panellists was the only way
they would have come, not one in the audience spoke up, as
dinosaurs in our new era.

WITH SENATE PRONOUNCING GATEWAY THEORY DEAD, REVISIT
Given the Senate Committee has already pronounced that one
of the major pillars of prohibition, the "gateway to harder
drugs," has been disproven even if its actually being a
"gate to harder drugs" is still left undiscussed, it begs
the revisitation of the other pillars of prohibition too.
Why should we be trying to convince them they are wrong?
Does the fact got the bad law they defend happens to be on
the book mean we have to convince you?

Convince me the Canadian citizen government was right. I'm
not granting any old assumptions as givens. No more
advantage of the Defence as a given. Time to revisit the
prohibitionist case with a new good look at caused all the
Reefer Madness.

I would ask the Senate to consider the my archived reports
my court and political battles to invalidate the law at
http://yahoogroups.com/group/medpot

--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: A real bummer of a day. I heard about two more cases of
victims of prohibition. The first:

Journal de Montreal
Monday June 3 2002

SIDEEN Jean Charles Pariseau refait les manchetes
jct: AIDS sufferer Jean Charles Pariseau back in the news

Bien malgre lui, puisqu'il se trouve en prison en grande
partie a cause de son chien errant. Vendredi soir, l'homme
qui a la permission to fumer de la marijuana pour attenuer
les consequences de sa maladie, est alle dans son depanneur
de Vanier avec son chien. Lorsqu'il est sorti du depanneur,
son chien n'etait plus la. Il a averti la police car il
croyait se l'etre fait vole.
jct: Bad luck that he finds himself in prison in large part
because of his lost dog. Friday night, the man who has
permission to smoke marijuana to attenuate the effects of
his illness, went to his corner store in Vanier with his
dog. When he came out, his dog was no longer there. I called
the police because he thought it had been stolen.

Quand les policier d'Ottawa se sont presentes chez lui, ils
ont note en observant son dossier qu'il avait $1700 dollars
d'infraction de code de la route non-payes du cote
quebecois. La surete du Quebec est donc venu le chercher
pour l'amener en prison jusqu'il puisse payer la note de
l'infration qu'il date de 1995.
jct: When the Ottawa police attended his home, they noted in
his file that he had $1700 in unpaid traffic violations on
the Quebec side. The Quebec Police therefore came to get him
to take him to prison until he can pay the debt for the
fines that date to 1995.

La prison n'a vraiment rien de rejouissement pour lui. Il
est isole et les gardiens savent pas comment lui administrer
ses medicaments et il souffre beaucoup. De plus, ce n'est
pas la bas qu'il puisse fumer de la marijuana, explique
Aubert Martin, representant du parti Marijuana en
l'outaouais. <<Il devra passer 31 jours en prison et j'ai
l'impression qu'il pourrait crever la,>> a ajoute M. Martin.
jct: The prison doesn't have anything to make him happy.
He's in isolation and the guards don't know how to
administer his drugs and he's suffering a lot. And on top of
that, it's not in there that he can smoke marijuana,
explains Aubert Martin, representing the Marijuana Party in
the Outaouais. <<He'll have to do 31 days in jail and I have
the impression he could die there,>> added Mr. Martin.

JCT: Sad, eh, the travails of the sick and dying. Even
though he has the exemption issue tamed, the poverty issue
bites him. Maybe it will help people understand that it's
not only prohibition that kills but poverty kills like this
on a regular basis.

Finally, another puke-out on Canadian Justice:

A reputedly violent young bank robber out on parole after
doing 6 years of a 9 year sentence sticks only to medpot
after getting out, stays out of trouble, works in tech
repair, buys a chip wagon, settles down, has a child, opens
a restaurant, then gets busted again for marijuana.

No need of conviction, back in jail to do his 3 last years
on the reading of the charge. Just for finding the gate
against harder drugs? for finding a gentler life with
cannabis?

His family is devastated. The wife's already sold everything
to pay lawyers. The new wife now almost "widowed" by the State's
prohibition law. The new baby now almost "orphaned" by the
State's prohibition law. And all of us paying taxes to keep
him out of work instead of him paying his taxes in work.
We're all the unseen victims of prohibition.

So he's coming up with a bail hearing this Friday and if
they keep him in jail, I'm going to be so puked out that I'm
going to offer to go down to Toronto to add the Ministry of
Corrections to the Ministries of Health and Justice I'm now
battling with. At least Justice will be familiar with their
upcoming problems.

I'd get him to apply for an exemption on the grounds it has
kept him from his past errors, one puff and no more urge to
pick up a gun, send it in without a doctor's signature,
since doctors' won't sign anyway, giving anecdotal evidence
that marijuana has acted as a gate against harder drugs and
violence and crime, not a gateway to it, and let them
explain why he should not have it in his Federal Court
judicial review of any refusal.

All the while, I'll have him challenge the law in the
criminal a la Parker too. The whole kit just like Ray did to
invalidate the law like Ray did, with Ray coaching the next
at bat.

The kid's name is Charlie Gagne somewhere in the Toronto
jail system. If there are any Crowns reading this, pass word
along that they had better fix it fast or another medpot
battle could open on another front as early as next week and
I think this kid's sob story is another winner.

If anyone can find out what happens to him, keep me informed
and I'll relay that info.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

Hempfest 2002 in the Sault is Back on. It will be held August 9,10,11. Dates
will be posted soon on the website. We had a virus in our system so we have been
unable to get the word out sooner or get the website updated,  it should be
updated
in the next few days.

	 This year we are focusing on Home Grown Entertainment from Northern Ontario
and Upper Michigan to entertain us through the weekend. We will be unable to
offer the Fishing Packages that we had hoped to offer this year,  we know a few
people were really looking forward to some great fishing with a guide in  Scenic
Northern Ontario. However there is still plenty of great fishing to be had for
the avid fishermen, or for those who just want to get out into the great
outdoors
and enjoy Nature.

	 The festival will be held in the same spot as previous years, Poplar Dale Rd
off HYW 638. Just outside Sault Ste Marie towards Sudbury. The cost for the
festival
will be $25.00 at the Gate , $20.00 Advance. Camping is included with all
tickets.

	 Stay tuned to www.planetarypride.com for more information and we will have
another
bulletin coming out very soon.


	 Have a Hempy Day


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Hempfest 2002
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Sault Ste Marie, Ont
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JCT: Yes, I filed my turn for a judge to declare prohibition
a threat to Canadians' Section 7 Right to life. Today, I
served my Motion for a pre-trial hearing on the
Constitutional Parker question at my July 9 trial and the
required Notice to the Federal Attorney General.

I'm going to have everything you can read in Parker's
Application Record, the doctors statements, the Gomber
statement that the Ministry did not even try to make access
easier, the expert affidavit showing the Ministry made the
math harder on purpose and that if one gets sick of any of
the medpot-useful diseases, there is a greater chance of
dying in Prohibitionist Canada than in Abolitionist Holland.

And I get to examine Cindy Cripps-Prawak, Carol Langlois,
Jody Gomber and Dann "Machiavelli" Michols about how many
Canadians died waiting for their doctors prescriptions to
be satisfactorily documented for exemption.

First, the Constitutional Parker Motion pursuant to Section
24& 7 and then the Notice to the Federal Attorney pursuant
to Section 95 of the Quebec C.P.C.

CANADA
PROVINCE DE QUEBEC                   COUR DU QUEBEC
DISTRICT DE GATINEAU                 --------------
No: #550-01-003994-011
                               John C. Turmel
                                          Defendant-Applicant
                               -vs-
                               The Queen
                                         Plaintiff-Respondent
                               -and-
                               ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR QUEBEC
                               -and-
                               ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR CANADA
                                                Mis-en-causes

        ---------------------------------------------
        MOTION FOR DECLARATION OF UNCONSTITUTIONALITY
             Pursuant to S.24 & 7 of the Charter
        ---------------------------------------------

TO ONE OF THE HONORABLE JUDGES OF THE COURT OF QUEBEC
PRESIDING AS TRIAL JUDGE, the Defendant respectfully states:

      1. On Dec 7 2001, the Defendant was charged with contempt
of court for posting an Internet news report on Nov. 7 2001
that violated the publication ban imposed by Justice Jean-
Pierre Plouffe of the Quebec Superior Court at Hull in the
case of R. v. Ray Turmel.

      2. The issue being raised in the constitutional
question was whether prohibition of marijuana medicine was a
genocide of the sick on the basis that such sick people have
a greater chance of dying in Canada than in Holland due only
to marijuana prohibition.

      3. On July 30 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal ruled
in R. v. Parker that marijuana prohibition was a s.7
violation of the charter right to life of the sick but gave
Government one extra year to continue violating their right
to life before having to provide access to their medicine or
prohibition of marijuana in the CDSA would be of no force
and effect. The failure of Terry Parker to qualify under the
new regulations proves the failure.

      4. Donald Appleby testified it took him a year to
qualify and he has AIDS so if people with AIDS were waiting
a year, the odds against no one having died while waiting
are very high. Yet testimony by Health Canada officials
showed no files closed due to death. The skeletons in the
unclosed files were discovered buried in another category
Cindy Cripps-Prawak, the Director of the Office of Marijuana
Medical Access, testified they called "dormant." 94
dormants!

      5. Given the constitutional question raised was of
ongoing genocide and 94 corpses had just been uncovered, the
statistical threat to the Defendant by genocidal prohibition
of marijuana medicine made the immediate publication a
matter of justified self defence.

      6. With the odds of death being greater in
prohibitionist Canada than Abolitionist Holland is logical
proof that the prohibition of medical marijuana is a
violation of section 318.2.b of the Criminal Code as it
inflicts on the group conditions of life calculated to bring
about its physical destruction.

      7. Shouting "fire" when odds are 8 Canadians a month
are being made dormant under Health Canada care is the
Defendant's justification, especially on the day Cindy
Cripps-Prawak finally admitted in her testimony to the first
94 "dormants" who never got their medicine. If the dormants
are not dead and continuing to die on an ongoing basis, then
the Defendant deserves to be punished. If the dormants can't
wake up from six feet under with more becoming dormant all
the time, then the Defendant is justified and merits a
directed verdict of acquittal by justified necessity.

      FOR THESE REASONS, MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT,

      Declare the prohibition of marijuana in the Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act to be unconstitutional and of no
force and effect;

      Direct a verdict of acquittal be entered on the basis
that Prohibition of medicine is a S.318.2.b violation of the
Defendant's and all Canadians' S.7 right to life and justifies
the Defendant violating the court's publication ban.

Dated at Hawkesbury on June 6 2002
Defendant-Applicant
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.
163 Atlantic Ave. Hawkesbury K6A 1V6
Tel/fax: 613-632-2334 E: turmel@...

                          AFFIDAVIT

I, John C. Turmel, residing at 163 Atlantic Ave. Hawkesbury
Ontario make oath as follows
      1. I am the Defendant.
      2. All the facts alleged in the motion are true.
Defendant-Applicant
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.
163 Atlantic Ave. Hawkesbury K6A 1V6
Tel/fax: 613-632-2334 E: turmel@...
Sworn before me at ____________ on June 6 2002.
A COMMISSIONER, ETC

                       ----------------
                       NOTICE OF MOTION
                       ----------------

To: Attorney General for Canada
360-239 Wellington St.
Ottawa, K1A 0H8

      TAKE NOTICE that the Defendant will make a motion
before a judge of the Superior Court of Quebec at the
courthouse at 17 Laurier in Gatineau on July 9 2002 at
9:30am for an Order
      - declaring the prohibition of marijuana in the
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act unconstitutional and of
no force and effect; and
      - directing a verdict of acquittal be entered on the
basis that Prohibition of medicine is a S.318.2.b violation
of the Defendant's and all Canadians' S.7 right to life and
justifies the Defendant violating the court's publication
ban.

Dated at Hawkesbury on June 6 2002
Defendant-Applicant
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.
163 Atlantic Ave. Hawkesbury K6A 1V6
Tel/fax: 613-632-2334 E: turmel@...
------------------------------------------------------------

                ------------------------------
                NOTICE PURSUANT TO S.95 C.P.C.
                ------------------------------

To: Attorney General for Canada
360-239 Wellington St.
Ottawa, K1A 0H8

      TAKE NOTICE that the Defendant will make a motion
before a judge of the Superior Court of Quebec at the
courthouse at 17 Laurier in Gatineau on July 9 2002 at
9:30am for an Order
      - declaring the prohibition of marijuana in the
Controlled Drugs and Substances Act unconstitutional and of
no force and effect; and
      - directing a verdict of acquittal be entered on the
basis that Prohibition of medicine is a S.318.2.b violation
of the Accused's and all Canadians' S.7 right to life and
justifies the Defendant violating the court's publication
ban.

      THE GROUNDS are that shouting "fire" when odds are 8
Canadians a month are being made dormant under Health Canada
care is the Defendant's justification, especially on the day
Cindy Cripps-Prawak finally admitted in her testimony to the
first 94 "dormants" who never got their medicine.

      FOR THESE REASONS, MAY IT PLEASE THE COURT,
      Declare the prohibition of marijuana in the Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act to be unconstitutional and of no
force and effect;
      Direct a verdict of acquittal be entered.
Dated at Hawkesbury on June 6 2002
Defendant-Applicant
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.
163 Atlantic Ave. Hawkesbury K6A 1V6
Tel/fax: 613-632-2334 E: turmel@...

JCT: So that's the documentation to get your constitutional
hearing in Quebec!

So

1) Federal Court Justice Beaudry is right now on a reserved
decision thinking about declaring the law that gets in
Parker's way unconstitutional.

2) Ray Turmel has a motion to reopen his Parker
constitutional question on June 14 with surprise rabbit.

3) I have my Parker constitutional challenge on July 9 with
the Health Canada testimony on the 94 "dormant" Canadians.

4) And Parker can trigger the Return of his own "most
powerful" Motion for Remedy A: End of Prohibition, on 15
days notice.

5) And Parker can seek his personal exemption at the Supreme
Court of Canada on 2 days notice.

More medpot cases in the works coming due: Pariseau, Dupuis,
Massicotte, Beaudoin, Apppleby, Neron, Burkholder, all have
valid judicial reviews they can immediately pursue if Marc
Paquette's doesn't win it for all of them.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

>Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:37:29 -0400
>From: Comments@... (Comments)
>Subject: Check our Web Site - under Programs
>To: TURMEL@...

At 10:42 AM 6/1/02 -0400, you wrote:
>>I'm interested in watching the Marijuana Senate Committee
>>in Montreal last Thursday May 30 2002.
>>Schedule doen'st have it.
>>Programs doesn't have it.
>>No search function I can find.
>>Can you tell me when it will play?

Hi Mr. Turmel,
It is still being edited, but will air on Cpac soon.
Please check our program listings daily, we update at least
twice a day. Sincerely Katie <http://www.cpac.ca>

JCT: This is the site to watch:
<http://www.cpac.ca/programs/date_e.asp?tz=e>

I don't know if I'll be able to monitor the site and catch
it when it gets advertised so if anyone hears of it before I
announce it, please let me know to I can spread the word.

Get your VCRs ready for this one. It should be priceless if
you can catch it. Especially to hear the prohibitionist
lawyer Colas telling us he wants to continue doing to us smokers
what he says government should have never stopped doing to
the gays, that is, sticking his nose in other people's pipes
right after getting it out from under other people's sheets.

My previous report giving you an idea of what you'll see is
at <http://yahoogroups.com/group/medpot/message/397> and it
will also give you a pretty good idea of how good a job I
did at relating it from memory.

And of course, you'll catch 20 minutes of our MedPot.Net
team. You tell me what the headline should be?

"Prohibitionist going after gays next?" or

"Fed judge thinking on ending prohibition" or
"94 died waiting for exemptions for Allan Rock" or
"Expert says prohibition raises odds of dying," or
"Health Canada fiasco deadlier than Walkerton," or even
Journal de Montreal big extra Pulitzer prize candidate
issue:
"Legalize marijuana to cut support to organized crime."

Anyway, it's worth videotaping just to see Colas do a
televised tap dance on his own teeth.

And let me know when it gets slated unless I let you know
first. Actually, "5 Hour" = "$50US Internet Dollars" bonus
for anyone who sends it to the list before I find it. Mail
to medpot-discuss@yahoogroups.com


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: <http://yahoogroups.com/group/medpot/message/398> has
the story of how AIDS sufferer Jean Charles Pariseau ended
up in jail.

After spending 5 days, the Quebec jail authorities granted
him a "PAMO (?)" which is a special leave that counts as if
you're still inside.

So, technically, Jean Charles is still inside doing his time
until the first third of his sentence is done by Aug. 9. I
guess he has to stay out of trouble, no speeding in his
wheelchair, no wheelies through the courthouse, that kind of
stuff. He'll still be on probation until around November for
the rest of his sentence to pay those fines. Thank the Lord
for judicious discretion.

As you read in the last report, Aubert Martin of the
Marijuana Party and his official agent Stephane Salko were
there to help Jean Charles when he needed it. Ray's
especially happy now to have conducted Aubert's nomination
signature campaign.

As for the medpot-gentled new daddy being crushed by the
Corrections Services for the medicine that controls his
errant tendencies, I should have someone's first-hand report
by tomorrow.

And I'm pretty sure it only takes a couple of days notice to
try to vary court bail conditions though I don't know the
rules to try to fight Corrections Canada decisions. Hope
it's not the Federal Court slow boat to freedom.

Keep in mind that instead of him going to work every day to
pay his share of taxes, we're now paying taxes to take care
of his newly destitute wife and baby and the taxes to take
care of him in the pen. All over his use of a medicinal
plant that acts as a gate to bad behavior.

Would this qualify as a right to life issue for him? the
wife? the child? us? Hope I don't have to get into it.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: Last week, we pulled the surprise re-opening move for
the Ray Turmel growing trial on the basis of the latest
jurisprudence and that the Montreal case we had based our
constitutional question on had re-opened for new evidence!

As Justice Plouffe said, he'd never heard of such a request
before and will decide on June 14 whether to re-open the
issue or whether to keep it closed and move to sentencing.

Of course, it's an unusual question.

But just to throw an even bigger monkey-wrench into the
works, does everyone remember how we always stood "mute" at
plea time? We always responded "I stand mute pursuant to
Section 606.2 of the Criminal Code."

Imagine that not only does the good fortune occur for us to
jump on, the re-opening of the Montreal case, but now, also
the good fortune to be able to introduce a boy-scout "be
prepared" card to our hand too.

What's funniest of all this is that the use of the mute
option is only known to lawyers and guerrilla lawyers who
are familiar with the gaming house laws! What a fluke that
that's exactly where I spent a lot of my legal studying.

So, since Friday was the day Crown Desaulniers was supposed
to file her case law, I decided to give her a preliminary
look at another superbly unique Turmelesque complication.

Justice Plouffe, Quebec Superior Court, 17 Laurier, .

Crown Anouk Desaulniers, 17 Laurier St. Gatineau.

M. Guy Pinsonneault, Attorney General for Canada,
360-239 Wellington St., Ottawa, K1A 0H8

June 6 2002

      re: Right to reopen constitutional question

Enclosed is the decision of R. v. Wilson where the Defendant
stood mute at plea and was later granted certain rights that
those who have pleaded no longer have.

I am informed that pre-plea motions to quash were permitted
though not granted in R. v. John Turmel (1994) by Judge
Peter Wright up until the verdict.

Defendant knows of no jurisprudence dealing with mute rights
past this point yet, since the issue of guilt or innocence
is orthogonal to the validity of the law, are the
Defendant's mute rights another good reason for permitting
the hearing of all the evidence that will be seen by Judge
Cadieux in the Montreal trial on June 13 2002 and upon which
the Defendant's constitutional challenge was also based?
Dated at Pointe-au-chene on June 6 2002
For the Defendant: Raymond J. Turmel
1249 Rte 148  Pointe-au-chene QC J0V 1T0
Tel: 819.423.6279 Fax: 613.632.2334

JCT: It's a 10 page decision so I'll just read the parts I
highlighted.

R. v. Wilson, [1986] 26 C.C.C.(3d) Man Queen's Bench

Manitoba Court of Queen's Bench
Morse, J.
January 29 1986

Page 9: Trial - Pre-trial motions - Criminal code providing
that motion to quash indictment may be taken "before the
accused has pleaded" and thereafter only by leave of the
court - Accused subsequently arguing that information
insufficient - As accused did not plead entitled to take
objection to counts in indictment when he did - CCC S.529

Page 10: On April 6 1981, the accused appeared in provincial
court and chose to remain mute in answer to the counts in
the information. A plea of "not guilty" to each count was
entered at the direction of the court.

Page 14: In R. v. Jewitt (1985) 21 CCC(3d), it is stated in
the headnote (which accurately summarizes the decision on
this point):
    There is a residual discretion in a trial judge to stay
    proceedings for abuse of process where compelling an
    accused to stand trial would violate those fundamental
    principles of justice which underlie the community's
    sense of fair play and decency, and to prevent the abuse
    of a court's process through oppressive or vexatious
    proceedings. This is a power which can, however, be
    exercised only in the clearest of cases."

Page 15: Consel for the Crown relied on S. 529(1) of the
Code which provides:
    529(1) An objection to an indictment or to a count in an
    indictment for a defect apparent on the face thereof
    shall be taken by motion to quash the indictment or count
    before the accused has pleaded, and thereafter, only by
    leave of the court or judge before whom the trial takes
    place, and a court or judge before whom an objection is
    taken under this section may, if it is considered
    necessary, order the indictment or count to be amended to
    cure that defect.

The charges in this case are indictable offences but are
within the absolute jurisdiction of the provincial court and
were proceeded with on the information in question.

Crown counsel submitted that, a plea having been entered,
the accused had no absolute right to object to the counts in
the information and that the provincial court judge erred in
failing to consider whether leave to object should be
granted.

The difficulty with this submission is that the accused
never actually pleaded to the counts in the information. He
stood mute, and a plea of "not guilty" was entered.

Section 529(1) of the Code uses the words "before the
accused has pleaded," and s.534(2) uses the words "where an
accused refuses to plead... the court shall order the clerk
of the court to enter a plea of not guilty".

While I think the intention of Parliament may well have been
merely to require an objection to a count in an indictment
to be made before the trial commences, nevertheless, the
liberty of the subject being involved, I think I should
interpret the words strictly. Accordingly, as the accused
did not plead, I think he was legally entitled to take
objection to the counts in the information as and when he
did."

JCT: What a monkey wrench in the works. Even I have no idea
how this is supposed to fit. All I know is that standing
mute just turned the case into a Gordian that's going to
take a Alexander the Great to cut.

Who would have thought that a little trick I learned
fighting my gambling charges might give me such an edge in
the debate?

I can imagine the Crown's going nuts thinking I would win
this one on a silly little technicality like I stood mute!

Amazing series of events:
Re-open Montreal evidence;
Wilson mute to keep options alive.

At least she'll be a hot ticket on the lecture circuit
when she's finished her homework on this one.

Have to admit, I can't wait to see what she comes up with in
answer to this one. In only 1 day!



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: A while back, I posted an article about back-room moves
called "Your choice reduced without your consent" that
explained how the Usenet newsgroup got their feed of Turmel
articles shut down by an outsider with no say in the matter.

In it, I cited the following article:

>Article #310193 (310201 is last):
>From: "Mona" <thehappywife@...>
>Newsgroups: alt.support.mult-sclerosis, + listhemp
>Subject: Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:39:38 -0400
Mona: I'm confused - the complaint seemed to be about...

>Article #310201 (310201 is last):
>From: "Roarke" <mr.roarke@...>
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:40:02 +0100
R: No, maybe he's doing what he thinks is right, but I...

>Article #1406 (1408 is last):
>From: Ethan Straffin <drumz@...>
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:25:48 -0700
ES: Awwww, group hug. Seriously, I hope this can be worked..

And there was another article I did not cite in that one:

>Article #1438 (1438 is last):
>From: celloperson@... (celloperson)
>Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-turmel,alt.hemp,alt.drugs,
talk.politics.drugs,alt.hemp.politics,can.politics
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: Lake & Company strike back; (here's
the real chat.)
>Date: 24 May 2002 12:05:01 -0700
Hey john, way to cover your ass and lie. The following...

JCT: So I did handle those letters in another post. Then
when I got back on my alt.fan.john-turmel where I can post
everything with no one complaining, guess what I found?

1435. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list "Mona"
1436. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list "Roarke"
1437. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list Ethan Straffin
1438. Re: TURMEL: Lake & Company strike back; (here's the rea|celloperson

JCT: I found that Mona, Roarke and Ethan had all once again
posted their very same articles and if you look at the dates
of the articles, you can see that they still say May. So
odds are Mona, Roarke and Ethan did not post those articles
and someone else probably forged-posted them. So Mona,
Roarke, Ethan, did you send those three posts under your
names to my list once again?

Oh, and celloperson too? You spread the false assertion
which I dealt with in my next post about cutting and
pasting. I mentioned that the three comments I cut from the
transcript cellopersoni cited were from "BigBong" and
"Frank" about "burning logs" and I added one identified
"tagged" quote of mine.

That's what the celloperson alleged was the worst of my cut
and paste editorial offences. Too bad whoever is spreading
celloperson's dirty allegations isn't also spreading my
answers to it.

And if Mona, Roarke, Ethan didn't send those articles, it
looks like there's still forge-posting being used by my
anti-abolitionist prohibitionist opponents, doesn't it?



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: From Usenet (See Google.com Groups) comes an article from U.S.
"Michael Hess" (bbsnews@...) that sure got my attention:

> [Note to self: Hmmm, I've been away from t.p.d. for a while but Eminem's new
> album got me thinking, "it feels so empty without me." It was the
> Turmel/Lake thing that brought me back actually. I've got some files about
> some principles causing him grief right now he might be interested in...
> BBSNews also has been threatened in the not too distant past. I'm thinking
> that maybe keeping quiet "for the good of the movement" is not such a good
> idea anymore. (And no Mr. DEA man, I don't mean any illegal activity
> although I am quite sure you are capable of making some up if I get to be
> too big of a bur under your saddle. I've been
> waiting for a setup for years.) The US government is busting medical
> marijuana patients left and right in the midst of a so-called war on
> terrorism. Methinks that the terrorism war must be won and over if the DEA
> has time to bust people suffering from various illnesses for the great
> "crime" of using a medicinal plant that has killed no one. The latest
> medical marijuana bust occurred in Santa Rosa California on Wednesday, May
> 29th, 2002. On the other hand, in some kind of twisted turf battle, some
> large drug policy reform organizations are seemingly going after smaller
> organizations like the War on Some Drugs has been won
> and finally, regulation been instituted in its former nauseating place.]
>
> So I'm doing my usual stuff around BBSNews. Tending to the pages and making
> sure everything is working and the news is coming in. As always a steady
> stream. I've been lurking in talk.politics.drugs and following with interest
> the goings on in Canada with Alan Young and John Turmel and some things have
> caught my attention. Yet I minded my own business. And then even more news
> comes in from a place that I thought I had told to never send me another
> thing, mpp.org. (More about why I'm upset with Rob Kampia in a moment.) I
> got a missive late yesterday that really frosted my flakes from MPP which
> contained in part the following:
>
> ==
> "Today [2002-05-30] should have been the day for MPP to launch the signature
> drive to place our medical marijuana initiative on the November ballot in
> Washington, D.C. But unfortunately -- and outrageously -- a squad of five
> local activists just filed suit against MPP in court, arguing that D.C.
> citizens
> should not be permitted to vote on our medical marijuana measure.
> The charge? They say that because our initiative would protect AIDS, cancer,
> multiple sclerosis, and other seriously ill patients from arrest -- but not
> every single patient who could possibly get a doctor's recommendation to use
> marijuana -- our initiative supposedly discriminates on the basis of
> disability in violation of the D.C. Human Rights Act.
>
> With "allies" like this looking out for patients' rights, who needs the
> DEA?"
> ==
>
> This is another example of extreme arrogance from an organization that takes
> money from activists and supporters to work for drug law reform. Which is to
> be fair, largely to the good. However, Turmel in Canada has the idea that if
> you invalidate the entire damned law, as it should have been pursued from
> the
> first place, the medical marijuana patients problems would be moot. I
> wholeheartedly agree and have for years as those on t.p.d. will readily
> remember. If everyone is not included, it is discrimination against the many
> for the good of the few.
>
> Kampia should ask himself about some of his "allies." Mark Greer from MapInc
> saw fit to inform BBSNews that they received recently a huge contribution
> from MPP. This only came to light when I was following up charges made by
> Dick Cowan of http://marijuananews.com that Rob Kampia narced out NORML back
> in the mid 90's. Cowan says said narcing is public record and it's part of
> an official
> Washington D.C. worker's comp claim (Ed note: unemployment claim). I begged
> Kampia for clarification but he refused. I tended to believe Richard Cowan
> so I withdrew the tiny bit of monetary support that I was offering MPP. Mark
> Greer said in part to my query to Cowan for the facts of this narcing story:
>
> ==
> I do very much appreciate his contribution to MPP, however, and hope he
> continues contributing to this worthwhile organization. Inasmuch as MPP saw
> fit to award MAP Inc. a $50,000 grant last month, it appears that Michael
> is indirectly supporting us despite his disparaging (and inaccurate)
> remarks. I'd also hazard a guess that MPP does not share his rather dim
> view of MAP and it's network of dedicated activists. Judging from the
> overwhelming number of "attaboys" my staff and I received at the NORML
> conference last week, it would appear that very few others share his views
> as well.
> ==
>
> Michael then promptly withdrew his offering of measly support to MPP. And
> his support for MapInc, and his support for marijuanews.com. Greer's
> continued pompousness ended any possible affiliation BBSNews would ever have
> with MapInc. Who cares anyway? (Probably all those hard working volunteers
> that made Greer's smugness possible.)
>
> Of course Mapinc gets upset with me for saying anything that might be taken
> amiss by drug policy reformers and politicians alike. First a sneering offer
> was made by Matt Elrod to me "Hell, if you like I'll post a glowing report
> about what a swell job you're doing." Which I promptly and vehemently turned
> down. I even requested that BBSNews be completely removed from any MapInc
> mention or links database. For in that same message Matt closed with "I'm
> giving you an opportunity to correct yourself *before* I get pissed off."
> And lastly he told me that he could blast me on usenet...
>
> Well blast away my friend. This MapInc my way or the highway routine is
> getting old. I was prepared to let it lie but Greer got in my business again
> and saw fit to copy me on it. I told you that I would pull any mention of
> MapInc from BBSNews the second I saw the issue surface again from Mark
> Greer. (Which I
> did) Maybe you should encourage Greer to go take the "$100,000 job" that
> MapInc is keeping him from...
>
> This Turmel/Richard Lake thing plus Rob Kampia's latest shows me there is an
> infection going on within the drug policy reform movement. Who cares who
> gets the job done as long as the War on Some Drugs is brought to a close and
> the discrimination and arrests of users of politically incorrect drug users
> is over?
>
> Mark Greer told me that "We have the most popular drug policy reform web
> sites on the planet." That may be. But that does not give MapInc carte
> blanche to run rough shod over other activists that are doing their part to
> get the prohibition of some drugs repealed.
>
> This especially applies to medical marijuana. The DEA is busy going after
> medpot patients like there is not a terrorist threat being hawked from every
> media outlet every minute of every day. Health Canada is clearly being
> influenced by the US drug warriors and keeping the marijuana grown in the
> Rock Garden
> from patients who are entitled to it.
>
> Aformentioned reform organizations would be better off to focus on that
> issue and leave activists who are trying to get things done alone.
>
> In other words, go after the REAL problems, the Bush Administration, John
> Walters and the DEA and leave BBSNews and John Turmel alone.
>
>
> Michael Hess
> Editor, BBSNews
> http://bbsnews.net/dailys/reformnews.html
>
> --
>
> For up to the minute drugs news from the actual sources:
> http://bbsnews.net/dailys/
>
> Michael Hess
> Editor, BBSNews
> http://bbsnews.net
>
> --
>
> BBSNews - According the the World Association for Christian Communication:
> "BBSNews points out that world terrorism, mostly in the form of drug thugs,
> is funded because of the black market created by the drug war... BBSNews
> believes that the solution is to follow the Dutch and separate the drugs
> markets, getting cannabis far far away from heroin and cocaine and tobacco.
> If science was ever finally taken seriously on the issue of addictiveness
> and risk assessment, world drug laws would look remarkably different than
> they do today." WACC Action, Number 244, May 2002.
> http://www.wacc.org.uk/publications/action/244/244.pdf
>
>



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: Okay, here's what I see on my screen at my "everything I
ever post" Usenet newsgroup alt.fan.john-turmel

R 1431. TURMEL: Baltimore Hours Timecurrency debut              John Turmel
R 1432. TURMEL: LETSlink Scotland Annual Event September 2002   John Turmel
R 1433. TURMEL: More Medpot tragedies: Pariseau (AIDS) jailed f|John Turmel
R 1434. TURMEL: France: Bagarre de SEL - LETS infighting        John Turmel
R 1435. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list            "Mona"
R 1436. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list          "Roarke"
R 1437. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list    Ethan Straffin
R 1438. Re: TURMEL: Lake & Company strike back; (here's the rea|celloperson
R 1439. TURMEL: Senate Hearing in Montreal on CPAC soon         John Turmel
R 1440. TURMEL: John Turmel's Parker "End Prohibition" Motion   John Turmel
R 1441. TURMEL: CPAC Senate Montreal Hearing real soon          John Turmel
R 1442. TURMEL: One less Medpot tragedy: Pariseau out           John Turmel
R 1443. TURMEL: A mute rabbit out of the hat?                   John Turmel
   1444. TURMEL: LETS UK "Power of Communities" course           John Turmel
   1445. TURMEL: Forge-posting Mona, Roarke, Ethan's posts       John Turmel
R 1446. BBSNews: Oh the Politics of Drug Policy Reform       "Michael Hess"

JCT: Everything was dated in June but these were from May
R 1435. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list            "Mona"
R 1436. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list          "Roarke"
R 1437. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list    Ethan Straffin
R 1438. Re: TURMEL: Lake & Company strike back; (here's the rea|celloperson

JCT: MS group articles were on May 22. Lake on May 24. But I
saw these way back in May when I logged on late on the night
of May 22 and saw:

R 1435. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list            "Mona"
R 1436. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list          "Roarke"
R 1437. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list    Ethan Straffin

JCT: I even responded in my "Your choice reduced without
your consent" article. Then two days later came
celloperson's sleazy but funny post accusing me of altering
the meaning of a passage between Richard Lake and me by
cutting out 3 chat line dicussions from BigBong and Frank
about their logs.

R 1438. Re: TURMEL: Lake & Company strike back; (here's the rea|celloperson

JCT: Also note that the May 22 articles had the abnormal
tag "Turmel:" that I use to the single a.s.m-s group instead
of the general distribution tag "TURMEL: that celloperson
was citing from another group, not MS! And now, on June 5,
up pops:

R 1435. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list            "Mona"
R 1436. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list          "Roarke"
R 1437. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list    Ethan Straffin
R 1438. Re: TURMEL: Lake & Company strike back; (here's the rea|celloperson
===

>Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:19:29 -0700
>From: muirhead@... ("Michael")

Uhhh... I think the answer's simpler than you imply, John.

MM: You posted the original message in the "Turmel:
Multiple-sclerosis group now off list "thread, and it was
crossposted to: alt.support.mult-sclerosis, alt.hemp,
alt.drugs, talk.politics.drugs, alt.hemp.politics,
can.politics, and alt.fan.john-turmel.
When these folks replied to your original post, they didn't
remove the non-MS groupnames... so the replies went to the
whole list of groups. Ethan doesn't even post to MS
groups... he's all over talk.politics.* and the *.pot.* and
*.hemp.* groups. ((U))   M

JCT: That's why they showed up on my group on the dates that
they were posted, around May 22. What are they doing showing
up again in June? Unless they reposted them one at a time in
order?
Or someone knows how to forge-post.
And you know who I think it is.
===

>Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 18:48:15 -0400
>From: thehappywife@... ("Mona")

M: I am not sure what posting is being asked about and what
is being asked about it! Sorry I confuse easily!  But yes I
posted the following yes, but it was in support of you!
sorry if that has somehow been mislabeled as somehow saying
your posts are OT in the MS group, as I know many who use
pot for spasicity (sp).  If you need me to directly email
someone or need a phone number for them to call me to
clarify, let me know.

JCT: Yes, and I commented and responded to it in my next
post. My question is "why did you post it a second time to
alt.fan.john-turmel? I don't think you did.
I can't go back on my NCF server more than 2 days. If I
don't see the posts in 2 days, they're gone and I have to go
to Google. That's an internal rule NCF made up years ago to
get me and that has afflicted all their users which explains
why they're almost dead.
They also banned cross-posting to all outside groups with
ncf.* groups so no one includes ncf.* groups in discussions
anymore. Nuts stuff like that that the Dicolas and Tomblins
have done to all members to interfere with me! So I can't go
back in to the MS group of messages before June 5! They kill
them that fast at NCF. No one who uses NCF can. One reason
I've stopped paying them since they've made everything so
non-workable. I guess they are saving on Carleton
University's scarce computer resources.
But I do know that there was a series of articles that
showed up in alt.fan.john-turmel on May 22 and now again two
weeks later. I doubt you posted them. I don't know how to
forge-post for other people's Usenet signatures. But this
person does. And has.
Honestly, my name wasn't forge-posted, so I can't complain
to the RCMP about it. Maybe I can find a way though.
===

>Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:02:07 -0400
>From: thehappywife@... ("Mona")
>Subject: Re: Turmel: Forge-posting Mona, Roarke, Ethan's posts
>To: bc726@... ("John Turmel")

M: Sorry to follow up my own post - if this was a newsgroup
post reposted to Turmel group - if you can send me full
headers of the message I can tell you how to prove it is a
forgery. I can not find these posts.

JCT: Google only shows the May 22 posts, not the recent
ones, even when I log onto alt.fan.john-turmel. You might
jog on down to Usenet and see for yourself if your articel
appeared without you sending it. In a.s.m-s too, a new set
of article numbes:

311257. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list            "Mona"
311258. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list          "Roarke"
311259. Re: Turmel: Multiple-sclerosis group now off list    Ethan Straffin

JCT: These May articles were hiccupped in June! Everywhere.

M: I posted this info ONCE - in may and it was crossposted
to your group also, any other posts from me on this topic
were forgeries..  Sometimes a news server somewhere between
me and wherever I'm sending to does do a hiccup and send
things out multiple times. Been known to happen. Laura

JCT: I don't remember ever seeing that happen before but why
only those four articles. And you'll notice that your 3
articles from May 22 that showed up from my page all have
headers with the MS group in it so why did celloperson's
article get included from May 24 when it was a different
topic and the MS group had already just been dropped from my
list and cello's.
The newsgroups line in your 3 posts had:

Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-turmel,alt.support.mult-sclerosis,
alt.hemp,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.hemp.politics,
can.politics,

JCT: The newsgroups line in celloperson's only had

Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-turmel,
alt.hemp,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,alt.hemp.politics,
can.politics

JCT: Whatever celloperson posted wasn't even posted to the
MS group to be hiccuped from there. It took two different
hiccups from two different servers at the same time.
Whatever the odds against one hiccup, square it for the odds
against two.
===

>From: Roarke (mr.roarke@...)
>Subject: Re: Turmel: Forge-posting Mona, Roarke, Ethan's posts
>Newsgroups: alt.support.mult-sclerosis
>Date: 2002-06-08 08:49:56 PST

R: No, John I didn't bother doing anything other than
responding to occasional threads on alt-support-ms. Maybe it
was aliens.

JCT: It was a million to one double-hiccup instead?

R: You've probably made all sorts of great friends out there
by posting across the planet. You've probably got some
decent points to make too, it's just how you do it is
confrontational and "in yer face". Hope you find out
whatever it is you're looking for. Roarke

JCT: Sometimes people forget that I'm pretty well in full
time combat mode but I don't mind. And many are shocked by
the number of narc moles in high medpot places that have
popped up to fight me when I am, for sure, too effective to
be a mole myself. And it's the "combative persona" I'm
alleged to have that has made my opponent commit such
strategic errors, boners, actually, that they can never
recuperate from. "I stopped Turmel's motion to invalidate
the law" was not Alan Young's brightest riposte. A mole
isn't supposed to tell the truth. He's supposed to stick
with the pretext cover story.

What's happened is that I've taken on the establishment with
innovative Internet tools and armaments they could not have
expected. And they're in disarray. Making stupid blunders.
Witness the Crown's lawyer Prefontaine coming unprepared
because he thought he had Paquette's case sown up in 5
minutes, words to haunt him a lifetime after it turned into
the 3 hour debacle. Stupid blunders like not coming
prepared for the worst case scenario. Automatic for me. I
came prepared for the worst, worked to get my Appleby-Neron
Blais decision in Paquette's hand, and it trumped
Prefontaine's ploy though I'd announced it the night before
the hearing and he must not have read my medpot internet
report before going in that morning. Har har.

Anyway, no one's going to be talking style of abolishing
Prohibition when the engineering is done.

So I've just pointed out to Mona, Roarke, Ethan and
celloperson that someone has forge-posted your names to put
up something for you. It could have been only as cover for
something else. My point is that your communications and
your control of internet identity was tampered with.
Illegally I'd bet.

I'd also bet they could have changed words. I'd bet they
have the means to change the words I write before forge-
posting too. Luckily, I'm so "in-your-face" that you'd know
pretty quickly whether it's me talking or not. I hope,
anyway.

As for spending more time on this, I think it's important
that even if we don't do anything about it, that we are
aware of when it is done to us.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: I never parsed Alan Young's infamous April confession
until now.

>Subject: CMAP: Prof Alan Young:
>A Statement To Our Cannabis Movement and The Sick
>To: cmap@... Cc: maptalk@...

AY: I am forced to waste my time responding to John Turmel's
recent rant concerning my involvement in the Parker case.
Turmel has served a valuable purpose in keeping on top of
Health Canada through his numerous court cases. For this
effort I encouraged and supported Turmel.

JCT: What are you supposed to do? Pan winning? I remember
the Cannabis Culture article saying "If Young or Turmel
win..." and now they can report "Young sabotages another
Turmel win."
I won Dupuis-Neron's 30 day ultimatums.
I won exemptions for 5 people who had been refused.
I won 6 month extensions for all exemptees doctors.
I won Parker his lifetime extension until you blew it.
So the Legal Eagle Engineer of Justice keeps winning the
Lawful Awful Professor of Law has won nothing of note. All
talk, no victory.

AY: However, now he has outlived his utility and he
represents a danger to the pot reform movement.

JCT: This has been repeated by Steven Bacon, Alison Myrden,
Richard Lake and other Young supporters ad nauseam without
ever once explaining the danger I represent to the pot
movement that Young didn't have the honesty to broach in
public.

AY: At the outset Turmel may have had the best intentions;
however, now he is left with simple showboating and
grandstanding and this will not work to change the law.

JCT: And you've got nothing going on at all going. No
showboating, you can't grandstand, only talk, hot air. My
record only seems like showboating and grandstanding to a
loser like you because I win some and you're batting zero.
Only winners can showboat and grandstand while losers like
you belong in the stands.
I don't deny that with all my court victories, I do showboat
and grandstand. It must hurt to see a non-lawyer like me,
armed only with a systems engineering degree, who can't even
afford an up-to-date Rule book (1993 still), who keeps
excelling j while your highest profile Wakeford case got
thrown our for being in the wrong court.

AY: I attended at the recent Parker hearing for two
purposes. First, to ensure that Turmel's motion to
invalidate the law would not proceeed.

JCT: I didn't know this since you were still wearing the
other of your two faces at the time, that of supporter. Sure
I saw your second face appear at the hearing but this is the
first I hear you admit to your two-faced intentions.


AY: His motion will be dismissed by any judge who hears it
because the record is incomplete and Turmel does not
understand the legal argument.

JCT: First, Terry paid his $157 for the opinion of a judge,
not Crown Attorney Lara Speirs's saboteur. And if every
judge will so easily throw it out, why didn't you let the
non-lawyer fall flat on my face for the first time, why did
you have to sabotage my case?

Since I wrote the argument, not you, I'm the one who
understands it and you are the one admitting you don't. Just
because you, a lawyer trained to determine fairness by trial
and error, are completely inferior to me, an engineer
trained to determine fairness with mathematics, it gives you
no right to imply I need be as inept as you. So I can't help
being better than you though I don't treat it as that
difficult of an accomplishment.

My motion included the decision of Justice Pitt protecting
Terry when the new regulations had failed. I said that was
all I needed to prove the regs had failed. You said you
needed more. So you sabotaged the easy win so we'd maybe
need to use your extra. Sorry, but it can be returned
anytime Terry feels like it and you can't stop again the
question from being asked.

So let's take another look at the case I'd built for Terry
Parker on April 17 that Alan Young had to work so hard to
"ensure did not proceed."

I think by now the whole world is shocked by what happened
to get the Big One put off that day but what would have
happened had Alan Young not been the room on April 17 2002
when the Crown tried to have Pitt set aside and the motion
to declare prohibition dead adjourned.

Keep in mind, that's what the Crown wanted. They wanted Pitt
set aside so everything would start all over again with
Terry's main motion adjourned. Right. Before Terry even
opened his mouth, the Crown Lara Speirs introduced Young as
Terry's friend of the Court who then gets the judge to
exactly what the Crown wanted. Get the main motion
adjourned.

And it just took a judge to ignore that Justice Pitt's
granting the motion to abridge the time for service and
granting substantive relief ex parte was a decision on the
merits and not summarily.

So back to the game without Young's interference.
Crown's case to set aside Pitt was that it was an ex parte
decision and he didn't know what he was doing protecting
Terry when the new legislation was already doing it just
fine (even if his exemption had run out).

Terry's hand for abolition had the following Aces:

Spades: No permanent access via Health Ministry needs Pitt;
Clubs: OMA doctors don't sign; MMAccess Regs don't work.
Diamonds: Pitt ruled "urgency merits short notice";
Hearts: Pitt ruled "Gvt failure merits Court extension."
Joker: Expert says Terry's odds of dying in Canada > Holland

He also had the King and the Queen of Clubs, the Jody Gomber
Affidavit saying they didn't even try to make it easier to
supplement the OMA Ace of Clubs and the MMAR legislation
that shows the equation made more complicated on purpose.
What can anyone possibly need more to prove that the
government did not comply with providing access to guarantee
Parker's Charter S.7 right to life? What more could Young
have wanted?

Now, understand that because the Pitt decision was the valid
decision on that point, Terry had the defence and they had
to go on offence to take it away from him. And instead of us
being on Defence with all five Aces that the Crown would
have to vanquish, we have to merely survive, we are now back
on offence to prove what Pitt had said with the same two
black aces we started out with. We now have to vanquish the
law, not merely have Pitt's condemnation survive.

After Young's intervention, Terry is back at square one with
no permanent access; the doctors are not signing, and the
expert affidavit having to prove that the odds of dying are
greater in Canada than Holland.
You can see how Terry's case for Chapnik would have been a
lot stronger had Young not been there to get her to put off
looking at all that added documentation for the main motion
that included not only the OMA but the CMPA and the CMQ and
other powerful affidavit evidence from other medpot cases.

And once he'd had the main documentation adjourned as, in
his opinion, "incomplete," Terry then had his two Pitt red
aces discounted and had his two black aces devalued with her
final decision. Of course, Terry's appeal put the Pitt Aces
back in the hole cards. They have to always worry that Pitt
gets reinstated when everyone admits he was right when he
had ruled that the government had not yet complied because
it has not!

What's funny is that since Pitt was right and those who
dissed him are wrong, someday, the mere fact it's admitted
the government failed, as Alan Young is trying to prove in
his most recent "wrong-court" application, it proves Pitt
was right in his ex parte decision.

So we can still try play the Pitt red aces in hearings but
when Terry went in on April 17 2002, Justice Pitt's ex parte
decision was ruling the day. Terry, I, we were excited as
can be. With the Pitt admission, we thought this was just
the icing on the cake. Then the Professeur Saboteur was
invited to speak by the Crown Lara Speirs and sank Terry's
ship just like the Crown wanted. And they played the same
tag-team Crown-Friend of Terry's in the Court of Appeal too
in the same effort to diss Pitt's righteously logical and
correct decisions.

But the appeal of the Chapnik decision to reinstate Pitt is
still afloat. And Terry's Return of Motion for Remedy A can
be turned into the Crown's worst nightmare on 15-days or
even an instant's notice were Terry in actual danger in
jail. It depends on whether Terry's in jail or not when he
decides to trigger it. He paid his $157, it's his insurance.
If they touch him, even without an exemption, on next day,
with Terry officially in danger, declare the law dead is the
motion.

All I can do is wonder what the judge could have possibly
done faced with Parker's Five Aces including Pitt's two red
ones and my new wildcard with us on Defence for Pitt even if
still on offence for the whole ball game. But 5 Aces ain't
bad. If only the Professewer of the Sewer Trade hadn't come
to spoil our day.

So we'll never know how Chapnik would have reacted faced
with a Pitt decision undissed by Alan Young's "not worth the
paper it's written on" description of it.

If this were the Old West and someone knocked two Red Aces
out of someone's Five Aces hand, I'm sure frontier justice
would have taken place. I hope it explains the relentless
nature of my quest to destroy my opponent's reputation and
career.

John "The Gambler" "The Professor" "The Engineer" Turmel
built a Five Ace hand for Terry Parker and the Shifty
Shyster from York worked with the Crooked Crown from
Cabbagetown to cheat my Pretty Powerful Pat-hand Parker out
of his win. For the time being. It sure has helped everyone
else's cases.

So that's what Alan Young and his supporters have cost the
movement in Canada. Remember April 17, 2002, a day that will
live in medpot infamy. What would Judge Chapnik have done
faced with Terry on Defence with 5 Aces? I'm going to take a
break and go have a good cry.

I'll admit the Dirty Duo tag-team, Young-Speirs, won the
prohibitionist day so far, but it also explains why I'll
keep doing what feels just. By pointing people to these
reports where sticks and stones may not break their bones,
but net words will burn their souls forever.

AY: I am in the process of preparing a proper application
which will be filed in two weeks, and I wanted Parker to
join up. The decision is Parker's to make.

JCT: You wanted to poach Parker but he figures one
application in hand with is worth two of your imaginary
applications in the bush with you. I can understand your
feelings of rejection since you used to known as Canada's
top medpot attorney and you'll be known as the bottom.

Since you haven't won anything recently, your more recent
claim to fame in Cannabis Culture detailing my recent court
victories mentioned the your Wakeford case which you lost
for being in the wrong court. Why would Parker leave a
winner like me for a loser like you when you can't even find
the right court and he knows I can? Sorry if I'm repetitive.
No, I guess I'm not.

AY: We will be successful in invalidating the marijuana
possession offence and invalidating the horrible regulatory
regime by year's end.

JCT: You haven't been successful at anything. Your last big
case, Wakeford, was thrown out because you didn't know
Federal Court has exclusive jurisdiction over the Ministry
of Health that you were attacking. And you teach at York?
Remind me not hire any of their graduates. Did you give
Wakeford back his money or was this another of your "pro
bono" efforts worth what Wakeford paid for it? Nothing? A
York Pro Bono?

And now we've had the chance to hear about your famous
application that you'd be doing right. Except you're in the
wrong court again. Federal matters are in Federal Court
where the Legal Eagle now has Marc Paquette on a reserved
decision asking for the same your crew are asking for in the
wrong court.

AY: Turmel's attempt to rush this important application will
backfire and he will set back the movement by many years.

JCT: Parker is going ask "When the government failed to
provide me safe access within the year, does it mean the law
is dead?" How does getting that answer backfire on your
imaginary efforts? And how does your going to the wrong
court again speed things up?

AY: I also attended the hearing to ensure that Parker would
walk out of court with protection from prosecution.

JCT: And thanks to your intervention, just the opposite
happened and you got the judge so enraged at Terry sticking
with Pitt...

AY: The "Pitt" order which Turmel is so excited about is not
worth the paper it is written on and any judge would set it
aside without hesitation.

JCT: There is nothing wrong with an ex parte decision. Where
did you go to law school? Justice Pitt made a decision on
merit in a Section 7 right to life case extending Parker's
protection from death until the government finally provides
real access, and you say any judge would set it aside and
expose Terry to death without hesitation? Even Justice
Chapnik offered Terry her protection from death if he would
only give up Pitt's and it was only your stressing his
rejection of her offer that got her feeling scorned.

AY: The judge we appeared in front of was prepared to set
aside the order and I convinced her to replace Pitt's order
with a constitutional exemption which would protect Parker
throughout the time it takes to bring a proper application
to strike down the law.

JCT: That's right. You tried to talk Terry into giving up
Pitt's protection and the words winning our case "until the
government complies" for Chapnik's protection "until Young
does a case that could lose." He was safe for life with a
judgment that the government had failed to comply and you
tried to get him safe till when with no ruling about the
government's compliance in our hands?

AY: The judge sent us out of court to draft the terms of the
constitutional exemption but Turmel convinced Parker not to
play ball. He gave Parker the worst possible advice and look
what happened. Two days later the judge rescinded the Pitt
order and refused to grant Parker the exemption I had
arranged. She was so put off by Turmel that she ended up
screwing Parker.

JCT: I gave him the advice to keep Pitt's protection with
the ruling on the merits of the government's compliance
which is the same reason Young tried 3 times to get Terry to
give it up. It wasn't the protection of Terry that they
worried about, it was the words of Justice Pitt avowing that
it seemed to him that the government had not complied. And
the law was dead! Now, without that decision in hand, no on
in the country can say that anymore. Thanks prof.
And if she was so put off by Turmel insisting Parker should
keep his forever Pitt protection rather than her temporary
one that she took away Parker's protection completely thus
exposing him to death - imagine, Terry could get arrested,
have a seizure in his cell and die and she'll get to
explain: "I denied Terry his medicine because Turmel pissed
me off" - too bad, I don't guard against judges who might
try to kill the applicants if they don't like me.

AY: In fact, it was Turmel who screwed Parker and I want
people to know that it is very dangerous to rely upon Turmel
to assist sick people with legal issues.

JCT: In fact, it was Alan Young who screwed Parker with his
intervention goading her into feeling scorned. She'd have
never been mad enough to try to expose Terry to death had
Young not intervened to amplify Terry's scorn for her offer.
Come on, does anyone really think the lady was thinking
straight when she completely stripped Terry of his
protection from death after having first offered him her
protection from death? She knew this was a question of
protection from death. And she took it away?

AY: I want everyone to exercise extreme caution before
relying upon the circus-lawyer.

JCT: I just like reminding everyone of the Prof's elementary
errors as he pans non-lawyer me who, at least, shows up in
the right courts. He calls me a circus-lawyer and I must
admit that I do like 5-cases, 7-cases, even an 11-ring
circus once and have never denied that clogging the system
to slow it down is one of my tactics but just because it's a
Turmel circus doesn't mean it isn't a quality show.

AY: As for Turmel's insulting words I could not care less. I
have worked hard on a pro bono basis for the past five years
for sick people and I am not going to allow Turmel's words
to sour my experience.

JCT: Hey, because you're not good enough to find anyone to
pay you. For free (pro bono) is the only way anyone will let
you near them. It's no reason not to keep in mind how
souring an experience it must be for those sick people to
have a loser lawyer like you sabotage their case. I can
understand all the reports of people displeased with
Professor Young. Marc Emery at Cannabis Culture has written
of the many people who speak ill of Professor's Young's
help. See their forum and you'll be amazed at how Young and
his other loser lawyer friends seem hated by the number of
people Marc Emery notes have been failed by Young.

AY: As for Turmel expressing a desire to "puke" on me, I
think that his expression demonstrates the lack of
sophistication and immaturity in his discourse. I am not
impressed and I hope that others realize that Turmel is
nothing more than an abusive paper tiger.
Alan Young

JCT: Just check any recent Criminal Code and you'll find two
Turmel cases where I changed the law, the third one not yet
having been written up.

True, I may have written 50 motions to win only 10 while you
had to write one quality motion to lose only one, but this
really means I am the superior advocate, not the other way
around. No matter how many times I've failed, I have also
won. You are pure failure. And when this "paper tiger" has
finally finished shredding your reputation and career,
you'll have no more puke left to puke.
Isn't it funny that in all my cases, I never once wasted any
of my time arguing any of the angles he lost with. He'd tell
me "I tried this angle in such a case," and I'd shrug
thinking "he hasn't asked what he gets if he wins, nothing"
and then he avers that when he lost it, he should have tried
another angle. I pegged him as a loser right off but would
have let him argue my cases for the supposed prestige though
I knew my written documentation would always make it to the
next higher level, not whether his final his final delivery
was good or bad.

On an earlier appearance, Young tried to talk Parker into
trading Pitt for a Health Canada extension. I told Parker no
judge would take it without replacing it. Next, Young tried
to talk Parker into trading Pitt for Chapnik's less
permanent extension. The point is that Young was at all
times trying to get Pitt set aside.
===

Subject: Re: Prof. Young admits Parker sabotage
Posted by davidmalmolevine (Pooh-Bah)
Posted on 04/25/02 11:54 AM

>You appear to be fully behind Mr. Young and his recent in
conduct court. What I would like to know from you is how you
feel about the fact that Mr. Young's intentions were the
following: "I ATTENDED THE PARKER HEARING TO ENSURE THAT
TURMEL'S MOTION TO INVALIDATE THE LAW WOULD NOT PROCEED"<

Does anyone have Professor Young's answer to this question?
Is it on another thread?

JCT: No, Professor Young has never explained to anyone but
Richard Lake has claimed to know Alan Young's answer to that
question but won't tell anyone. Since you have now supported
Alan Young in public, you must have found out. Perhaps you
could now enlighten us with it?

Finally, I did offer anyone $50 betting the "Wrong Way"
Young, the Ganja Gilligan of the Court Clutz brigade, was in
the wrong court while Marc Paquette was in the right one.

After almost two weeks, no one has bet. Not even Alan's most
vigorous supporters. Alison Myrden, one of the Applicants in
the suit, have you no faith in the your professor? Not Marc
Emery, Not Steven Bacon, who passes along Alan's propaganda
has not taken up my challenge?

I even went over to the jackal's den to yank their chains.
In the "News and Current Events" Forum, Steven Bacon,
sonnyboy, had published Young's claim against the Federal
Ministry in Provincial Court headlined:
Pot Laws Going Down! Mine Shaft Weed Comming Up!

So I replied:
Turmel (wingnut)
05/24/02 07:27 AM

I bet $20 they haven't gotten past the originating Notice of
Application, a 2-page document and that the bulk of the case
has not been filed. And probably won't be till the last
minute, if ever. Okay I reduce my bet down to $10 to the
first person who informs me the august professor has made it
past elementary step 1.
I had Terry Parker in front of Pitt J. on his life-and-death
predicament in under 3 days. Let's see how quickly the
professionals get their clients in front of the judge, in 3
months? 3 years? The slower it goes, the more time to better
prepare," Alan Young's motto. Notice I always posted all my
documentation for everyone to read. Is there anywhere where
the professionals have their work posted for supporters to
read?
Besides, if they've got anything new and useful, I'm going
to copy it for all my cases from now on. I'm going to steal
Alan's ideas that he would not suggest I use for Terry's
case before sabotaging it.
Any bets Alan and Co. have nothing new and a weaker case
than the one Alan sabotaged before Justice Chapnik of the
Superior Court and Justice Feldman of the Court of Appeal?
I bet my case is better and I'm sure once we get a copy of
the Young documentation, debate will rage at
http://yahoogroups.com/group/medpot-discuss on whether he
was right to sabotage my motion in awaiting his better
thrust.
I keep offering bets because otherwise my opponents would
then just assert that the real lawyer is better at
engineering justice than the real engineer of the
Mathematics of Gambling. Ha. Actually, Alan's from the
school of trial and error in determining what is fair and I
know how to use math! Any wonder I've been doing all the
winning in the courts and Alan's been doing all the losing?

JCT: Then I went after Marc Emery, Alan's most ardent
groupie adding to a previous article:

Prince of Rot, off your pot, put up or shut up
  Turmel (wingnut)
05/27/02 05:19 PM

JCT: I notice that you've deleted all my posts which
referred to your heated ejaculations over Alan Young. So I
can just imagine you spewing forth a torrent of white hot
anger. Tough, Prince of Rot, your boy is dead meat.
Any bets Alan's in wrong court? I've got $50 he is.
Any bets Alan isn't in front of a judge by July as promised?
I've got another $20. Still looking for a taker after 3
days. How about the Prince of Rot. I hear he thinks he has a
lot of money. Hey, Prince of Rot, wanna back your boy. Put
your money where your mouth is, rich boy? Let's see you put
up, or shut up, rich boy. Your money isn't helping you now,
is it rich boy?
Can't bet against your betters can you, rich boy? And you
thought people needed money to have respect. You've got lots
of money but you've lost any respect!
I've only got around $100 and I make the rich boy back down.
I just love being superior. And everyone knowing. Especially
the rich boy.
JCT King of the Paupers.
===

Sammy (newbie)
05/28/02 06:25 PM
Re: Prince of Rot, off your pot, put up or shut up

oh man.. where's Marc?!?!?!? Chime in man!!!! Sammy
===

Turmel (wingnut)
05/28/02 11:43 PM

Re: Prince of Rot, off your pot, put up or shut up

"oh man.. where's Marc?!?!?!? Chime in man!!!!"

JCT: Marc's still recuperating from his last bout of
footinmouthitis. Must be a little gun shy since he hasn't
shot his mouth off around me in a long time.
Rich boy backs down from the Pauper's $50 bet. Says it all.
Losers never win, winners never quit.
===

Turmel (wingnut)
05/30/02 06:21 AM
Re: Prince of Rot, off your pot, put up or shut up

"Who the hell wants 50 shit smeared dollars from you..."

JCT: You do. Wouldn't you just love to beat Canada's all-
time Guinness-record loudest-bragging gambler out of even
only $50? Sure you would. Sure anyone would.
That's the whole point. No one can.
Everyone knows "Wrong Way" Young blew it. "Ganja Gilligan"
Young and Co. are on the wrong side of University Avenue in
TO. Federal Court for Federal issues with Federal
Government's across the street. But Maxwell "not-so-Smart"
Young still helped Paquette despite being the government's
most inept mole.

So the fact it's only $50, if I had more, I'd bet it, is not
what makes the use of the bet so final. It's that everyone
knows that everyone of Young's, Emery's, St-Maurice's
supporters would dearly love to take it from me shut my
mouth up. Right?
And no one can.
Invictus.
Search it out.

JCT: Because most sites the poem wrong, here's Invictus
with the right "straight the gait" and not "strait the gate"

Invictus
William Ernest Henley. 1849 - 1903

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how straight the gait,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate.
I am the captain of my soul.
===

Turmel (wingnut)
05/31/02 07:40 AM
Re: Prince of Rot, off your pot, put up or shut up

oh man.. where's Marc?!?!?!? Chime in man!!!! Sammy

JCT: Maybe all the talk of all his big money is big bull?
Maybe he's in hock up to his ears like almost everyone else?
It's only his extra government paycheck as a narc informer
really paying his lavish lifestyle, certainly not editorial
acumen.

In case Marc Emery is more talk than cash, I'll give him a
break. I'll give you 10:1 odds like I'm starting to offered
Sonnyboy Steve Bacon and Lousy Loser Lawyer Alan Young.

I'll bet $50 on my legal opinion that "Wrong-Court" Young's
done it again, you only have to scrape together $5 between
all of you to bet on Alan's legal opinion that for the first
time in his life, Alan didn't blow it and may finally be
worth more than the "pro bono" "nothing" he usually charges
people for losing their cases.


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: I am going to be starting a series of chats using the
Yahoo facilities.

Monday June 10 2002, yahoogroups.com/group/medpot-discuss
members will be able to have an AUDIO or typing chat with
Marc Paquette and John Turmel at 8p.m.

We'll be going over the case that Justice Beaudry is now
considering at the Federal Court and testing out the
facilities. Hopefully, Marc will be able to return to host
discussions on a regular basis leading up to Justice
Beaudry's historic "in the right court" decision.

Because there are far more members of the [turmel] group
that get everything I write, though not much on LETS or
gambling recently, medpot readers who want to participate in
chats with me will have to subscribe to [turmel] too by
going to http://yahoogroups.com/group/turmel or sending a
blank email to turmel-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Then goto http://yahoogroups.com/group/turmel/chat room

Those will be the two main chats I will frequent.

I'll be starting a 10pm chat Eastern Daylight Time right
after on [turmel] for LETS and see what develops.

If not much goes on, I'll just start reading one of the
rarest and greatest books about money in antiquity, The
Babylonian Woe, by David Astle, which I've highly cited and
noted in a book report on my home page.

The planet's history of the debt slavery in really olden
days makes today's foreclosures and evictions seem like
picnics. In the bad-old days, creditors could have you put
to death for not paying off your death-gamble mort-gage.
Actually, in Roman times too. Actually, in Elizabethan times
too. Actually, it's still happening today when governments
deprive their children of medicine to use the funds to
service debt or a loanshark's goons are coming after you.

Great starting point which can lead in many directions.

And I can read Marc's Judicial review Memorandum not under
the deliberation of Justice Beaudry into the record as the
basis for that discussion.

So, tomorrow night we'll start and see what happens. And
regardless, my reading and commentary on the Babylonian Woe
gets taped for later replay. I've got nothing to lose but my
listener's ignorance of ancient and neo financial history.


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

>At 03:42 AM 6/10/02 -0400, turmel@... wrote:
>>JCT: I am going to be starting a series of chats using the
>>Yahoo facilities.
>
><snip>
>
>You should know that Turmel has been blocked using the DrugSense Chat Room
>http://www.drugsense.org/chat for secretly recording the chats, editing the
>transcripts and adding his own self serving comments, and then spaming them
>to various lists, usenet groups, and law enforcement folks.
>
>When Turmel tried to disrupt the conversation in the chat room, a well
>known medical cannabis patient and activist -- who was using the  assumed
>name of Frank because of the well justified fear of exposure to the police
>(cannabis has kept him from going blind for over thirty years, though he
>must use a 21" monitor and have his face within four inches of the screen
>to read it) asked the following question, note how Turmel responded.
>
>  [4, Frank]: John why do you want to disrupt our peaceful chat room? We
>have patients here who hardly ever get online and you are disrupting that
>and driving people away.
>
>[7, JohnTurmel]: Har har har har ha ha ha ha he ha he ha nyuk nyuk nyuk
>nyuk nyuk
>

JCT: I bet $20US Richard Lake is a liar.
I bet $20 that that laugh was not linked to that statement.
I bet $20US that Richard Lake did the unethical cut and paste
editing he keeps accusing me of doing which I keep offering him
a bet to prove.
He has backed down from every bet.
I'm sure he won't bet that Richard Lake is not a liar.





--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: On Thursday June 13 2002, it's actually the reopening
of the trial for having trafficked in medpot, nowhere near
the judgment yet. And yet how he plays the cards he is
offered will make it his judgment day before the court of
public opinion no matter what a 1-man court thinks.

And fluke of all flukes, Ray Turmel's telephonic hearing
with Crown Anouk Desaulniers on technical matters dealing
with his appeal starts before Court of Appeal Justice Proulx
at 9am on the very same day. And the Quebec Court of Appeal
is on the top floor of the courthouse. Then it will be
downstairs to hear the new evidence to be presented in the
Marc-Boris St-Maurice trial to establish that he had a moral
duty and right to traffic since the government does not
offer access of its own to those who need it.

And yes, the Grannies from the "Golden Agers for Sound Sleep
with mari-muffins," ("L'Age d'Or dorme fort avec les mari-
muffins") will be there at the courthouse St. Antoine
entrance around 8:30am to raise awareness of the importance
of the legalisation of medpot to replace sleeping pills for
the aged and let golden-agers get into trafficking too. Why
should the kids get all the good jobs?

But the real crux of Thursday's story is what Boris and his
attorney Pierre Leger are going to do with the evidence from
the Terry Parker case I am going to offer them.

What was so powerful from the Terry Parker case to prove
that the new regulations did not ease access for the sick
was:

1) Jody Gomber's evidence in the Federal Court Paquette
Judicial Review still on reserved decision since May 13 2002
by Justice Beaudry showing Health Canada did not even try to
comply with the S.7 Charter requirement to make access
easier but did try to comply with some non-charter
requirement to make the refusal of access more transparent.

2) Mathematical analysis showing Health Canada did in fact
deliberately complicate the equations used by doctors and
patients for medical access applications.

3) Mathematical analysis showing the chance of dying is
greater in Prohibitionist Canada than in Abolitionist
Holland in violation of section 318.2.b of the genocide law
of the Canada Criminal Code. Introduce mathematical proof
that prohibition kills Canadians, it could kill the law
pretty quickly.

4) The Pitt decision which can be defended as correct no
matter how many times it has been set aside because
bureaucratic regulations. And Pitt brings along all Terry
Parker's Aces.

So I am offering Boris and his lawyer these cards so that
should they refuse, then, like Alan Young, I'll have exposed
Boris as another of Marc Emery's narc moles fighting my
efforts to invalidate the law. Should he accept to use my
aces and win, I'd say how he played the early innings of
this game will all be forgotten.

That's why tomorrow is Marc-Boris St-Maurice's medpot
judgment day. If he and his lawyer don't fight to get that
evidence in, don't drop whatever ordinary stuff they had
planned to offer in order to get this strategic evidence in
- keeping in mind we will have the chance to note what kind
of cards they preferred to offer rather than the Five Aces
Terry Parker had in his hand - then they will be judged
irresponsible or worse.

In much the same way that Alan Young's 9-man Application in
the wrong court has been found to be a ridiculous
alternative to Terry's Five Aces in the right court, we get
to see what they have as alternatives to Terry's Aces.

So the Crown's greatest nightmare just hit again. The threat
was never really a victimized Parker or Paquette, it was
always a mathematical expose of the statistical death that
will be convincing to posterity if not yet to judiciary.

So, Marc-Boris St-Maurice, do you want evidence that your
trafficking in medpot was justified because the prohibition
you violated kills people and you were helping save them? Do
you want scientific evidence of the death that prohibition
causes since the scientific evidence of the health it causes
is a harder proof? Proving a negative is always harder.

I am not only Canada's most accredited expert witness in the
Mathematics of Gambling but I am also the most
"exceptionally skilled professional gambler" in the Martin's
Criminal Code of Canada book itself. Open your lawyers'
Criminal Code under case law, look up Turmel and one of the
two explains the judge who convicted something that used to
be legal by changing the meaning of the word "gain,"
something only Parliament is supposed to do under the strict
interpretation of criminal statutes. Check it out. It's
official. Used to be only Parliament could change things in
the code to make a person go to jail, but my judge usurped
Parliament to make the law wider to nail me, though such an
unusual violation of legal formality did make the books.
It's only that nobody noticed the injustice yet but it's
right there on the books.

And isn't it amazing that it ends up being my expertise in a
really weird new mathematics of "picking winning ways" that
ends up being the Joker in the hand? Who would have bet? Who
would have bet I'd have gotten UNILETS on the U.N.
Millennium Declaration? Who'll bet I don't get that very
same Millennium Declaration amended to abolish prohibition
world-wide? That's my promise. You know I won't quit until I
have, or you'd bet.
Quitters never win. Winners never quit.
John C. "The Guinness World Record Political Loser" Turmel


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

jct: <-- translation by JCT: <-- John C. Turmel commentary

ATTENTION:
infojeu@..., allactaga@...
jean.leblond@..., vnuvoli@...

JCT: Startling developments from CBC French Radio for
someone who lives just an hour's drive away from Montreal!
Thanks again to my Bordeaux buddy, Serge, for the find.

jct: De grandes developements de Radio-Canada pour quelqu'un
comme moi qui ne demeure que d'un heure de Montreal. Merci
encore a mon "buddy" de Bordeaux, Serge, pour la decouverte.

>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:11:58 +0200
>From: winston.smith@... (Winston Smith)
>Subject: [informations-SEL] Emission Radio-Canada
>To: informations-sel@...

WS: Bonjour, En mars 2002 il y a eu une emission speciale de
Radio-Canada sur le sujet du SEL et voici l'adresse du web:

jct: WS: Goodday. In March 2002, there was a special
broadcast on CBC radio French about LETS and here is the web
address:

JCT: Okay. so it's 3 months late. Still great news.
jct: D'accord, c'est 3 mois en retard mais ce sont encore
des bonnes nouvelles.

http://radio-canada.ca/radio/indicatifpresent/passe.asp?section=63&topo=5288

LE TROC MODERNE - MODERN TROCK (Barter)
[12 mars 2002]
Par/by Laure Waridel

LW: A notre epoque, bien des critiques sont lancees a
l'egard du systeme economique dominant. Il engendre son lot
d'inegalites et d'exclus. Depuis quelques annees, on assiste
a la multiplication de projets alternatifs qui cherchent a
redonner un sens a l'economie, a la recentrer autour des
besoins des gens.

jct: LW: In this age, many criticisms are made about the
dominant economic system. It engenders its load of
inequalities and those excluded. For the past few years, we
see the multiplication of alternative projects searching to
give the economy back some direction, to recenter it around
the needs of people.

JCT: Since the news about the success of LETS stems from the
news about the success of SEL coming out of France, it seems
only new to the French Canadians. English Canadians have
known about LETS alternative currencies with Calgary leading
the way for almost two decades.

jct: Parceque les nouvelles du succes de LETS proviennent du
succes des SELS en France, c'est "depuis quelques annees"
seulement pour les Canadiens francais. Les Canadiens anglais
connaissent ces argents communautaires depuis presque deux
decennies avec celui de Calgary qui avance le plus loin le
plus vite.

LW: Parmi ces projets, se propagent un peu partout a travers
la planete les Systemes d'Echanges Locaux, les SEL. Cette
forme de troc moderne permet d'echanger des services et des
biens sans argent, mais plutot en utilisant des unites
d'echange definies par convention.

jct: LW: Among these projects is one spreading almost
everywhere around the planet are the LETS, Local Employment-
Trading Systems. This form of modern barter permits the
exchange of goods and services without money, but rather by
using trading units defined by convention.

JCT: Whoa!
1) Not "without money." It's "without THEIR money." Or "With
OUR money. But not "without money." LETS currency is money,
it's just that OUR money works better and is cheaper than
THEIR money does.
2) And THEIR money is "defined by convention." OUR money is
defined by an "hour of labor." That's why Argentinians are
now finding holding IOUs ("I-Owe-You") for their neighbours'
time is more stable than holding government IOUs defined by
bankers' "convention."

jct: Arretez!
1) Pas "sans argent." C'est "sans LEUR argent." Ou "Avec
NOTRE argent." Mais pas "sans argent." La monnaie SEL est de
l'argent, c'est que NOTRE argent fonctionne mieux que LEUR
argent.
2) Et LEURS unites sont "definies par convention." NOS
unites sont definies par une "heure de travail." C'est pour
cette raison que les Argentiniens trouvent maintenant que
d'avoir les JTDs ("JeTeDois") pour le temps de labeur de
leurs voisins est plus stable que d'avoir les JTDs
gouvernementaux definis par convention des banquiers.

LW: Pour savoir comment demarrer un SEL dans votre
quartier... Contactez la Bonte des Savoirs-Faires du Centre
des femmes d'ici et d'ailleurs: (514) 495-7728 pour obtenir
leur Guide de demarrage. Ou visitez:

jct: LW: To learn how to start a LETS in your own
district... Contact the "Bonte des Savoirs-Faires" (Bounty
of Know-hows) of the Women's Centre here and there "d'ici et
d'ailleurs:" .....at (514) 495-7728 to get their Starter
Guide. Or visit:

SELidaire <http://www.selidaire.org> (France)

Article de/of Carle Bernier-Genest paru dans/in Voir
<http://www.voir.ca/actualite/actualite.asp?id=7032>

Article d'/of Eric Watteau paru dans/in Troc en stock
<http://www.inti.be/ecotopie/selact.html>

Local Exchanges Trading Systems (LETS) en Amerique du Nord
<http://www.transaction.net/money/lets/>

JCT: Local Employment-Trading Systems are Systems that Trade
Employment Locally. Local Exchange Trading Systems are
systems that Trade Exchange Locally? Not. The "E." in the
acronym is the noun being traded. It's not two verbs.

jct: Local Employment-Troc Systeme est un Systeme qui Troque
l'emploi local. Local Echange-Troc Systeme est un Systeme
qui troque l'echange local? Non. Le "E" dans l'acronyme est
le nom qui est troque. Ce n'est pas deux verbes.

SEL'idaire (France) <http://www.selidaire.org/>

SEL-Terre (France) <http://asso.francenet.fr/sel/selmodem.htm>

Peterborough LETS <http://www.pipcom.com/%7Eptbolets/index.html>

Local Exchanges Trading Systems (LETS) de Strohalm aux Pays-Bas
<http://www.strohalm.nl/english/>

JCT: In Canada are now new systems

      Jardin d'echange universel Quebec:
(418) 832-5322 (France Richard) <http://www.jeu-game.com>
      La corde a linge <http://www.chez.com/vraireve> Montreal
      Jardin d'echange universel <http://www.jeu-game.com>
Montreal: (514) 748-2826 (Anik Sirois Lafrance)
      Bonte des Savoirs-Faires du Centre des femmes d'ici et d'ailleurs
Montreal (514) 495-7728
      Banque d'echanges communautaires de services (BECS) (450)2727708
Plateau Mont-Royal et quartiers limitrophes (Michel Gaudreault)
      Le SEL du Projet Genese
Quartier Cote-des-Neiges (514) 738-4584 poste 405
      SEL de la Pointe
Pointe-St-Charles (514) 527-6528 (Charles Gutknecht)
      SEL Le Cartier
Cartierville-Bordeau (514) 856-3326 (Anca Niculicioiu)
      Part-SEL
Petite-Patrie (514) 277-4993 (Veronique Dumoulin)
      Donnant-Donnant
Montreal Est 525-6661 (Myriam Grisi)
      Riseau d'echange de services La Ruche
Dans la region de Charlevoix (418) 665-7459 (Anik Simard)
      Entraide Action
Dans la region de Farnham (450) 293-2655 (Peggy Wallis)

JCT: So I'm going to add the following to my national list
raising Canada's 1/s currency systems from 38 to 49 a
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/urlsnat.htm

jct: Donc, j'ai ajoute a ma liste internationale les SELs
suivants qui remonte le nombre au Canada de 38 a 49.
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/urlsnat.htm

Cartierville-Bordeau SEL T:5148563326
Charlevoix La Ruche T:4186657459
Farnham Entraide Action T:4502932655
Montreal Bonte des Savoirs-Faires femmes d'ici et d'ailleurs
T:5144957728
Montreal Cote-des-Neiges SEL Genese T:5147384584/405
Montreal Est Donnant-Donnant T:5145256661
Montreal JEU http://www.jeu-game.com E:
allactaga@... T:5147482826
Montreal La corde a linge http://www.chez.com/vraireve
Montreal Petite-Patrie T:5142774993
Montreal Plateau Mont-Royal (BECS) Banque d'echanges
T:4502727708
Quebec JEU: http://www.jeu-game.com T:4188325322 E:
moralesbruno@... T:4185242744

JCT: I also visited the article published in Voir magazine
in March 2000 that I hadn't seen so I'll translate it here.

jct: J'ai aussi visite l'article publie dans le Voir en mars
2000 que je n'avais jamais lu et je le traduit ici.

Article de/of Carle Bernier-Genest paru dans/in Voir
<http://www.voir.ca/actualite/actualite.asp?id=7032>

TIC, TAC, TROC
Les Systemes d'Echange Local

jct: TIC, TAC, TROCK
Local Employment-Trading Systems

Voir 23 mars 2000
Par/by Carle Bernier-Genest

JCT: Wow. This was two years ago!

jct: Zut alors. Ca fait deux ans!

CBG: Six ans apres l'implantation du premier Systeme
d'Echange Local (SEL) a Montreal, les coordonnateurs des
differents groupes de troc quebecois pensent qu'il est temps
de se faire connaitre autrement que par bouche a oreille.
Pour leur premiere activite publique commune, mardi
prochain, ils ont donc demande a Michel Chartrand d'animer
une discussion. Chaude soiree en perspective!

jct: CBG: Six years after the implantation of the first LETS
Local Employment-Trading System in Montreal, the
coordinators of different Quebec trocking groups think it's
about time to get known other than by word of mouth. For
their first common public activity, next Tuesday, they asked
Michel Chartrand to moderate a discussion. Hot night on tap.

CBG: Depuis un an, le reseau des SEL est en pleine
ebullition. De trois groupes, il est passe a sept; et de
moins de deux cents participants, a presque le double. Le
nombre d'echanges ne cesse de gonfler, et les ententes
inter-SEL commencenta permettre aux membres d'un groupe de
faire des echanges avec les membres d'un autre groupe.

jct: CBG: For the past year, the LETS network is at the full
boiling point. From three groups, they grew to seven; and
from under two hundred participants, to almost double. The
number of branches does not cease to grow, and the inter-
LETS agreements permit members from one group to trade with
members of another.

CBG: Si l'engouement est bien reel, il est quand meme un peu
tardif. Alors que le principe de ce systeme a ete elabore au
debut des annees quatre-vingt a Vancouver, il a fallu qu'il
fasse le tour du monde avant d'etre experimente au Quebec.
La France l'a decouvert en meme temps que nous, mais la-bas,
il y a aujourd'hui plus de trois cents groupes et des
milliers de membres... Les SEL australiens, pas tellement
plus vieux que les notres, recoivent meme des subventions
directes de l'Etat, qui les considere comme un apport a
l'economie locale et un lieu important de reinsertion
sociale pour les plus demunis. Le plus gros groupe de troc
australien regroupe deux mille membres et engendre pour
quarante mille dollars d'echanges mensuellement.

jct: CBG: Even if the fascination is very real, it's still a
touch late. Given that principles of the system were
elaborated in the early 1980s in Vancouver, it had to make
it around the world before being tried in Quebec. France
learned of it at the same time as we did, but there today,
are now more than three hundred groups and thousands of
members... The Australian LETS, not much older than ours,
even get subsidies from the state that considers them as
bringing good to the local economy and an important place
where the more deprived can be socially reintegrated. The
largest Australian LETS has two thousand members and does
forty thousand dollars monthly in exchanges.

CBG: Heure contre heure
Pour l'instant, le troc est ici surtout populaire aupres du
milieu des affaires. Il y a cinq reseaux commerciaux
inscrits dans l'annuaire de Montreal, qui regroupent au
total des centaines d'entreprises. L'avantage de faire
partie de ces reseaux est indeniable. Une fois qu'une
entreprise y vend des services, elle accumule des credits
qu'elle doit absolument depenser aupres des membres du meme
reseau. Les credits qui circulent ainsi ne peuvent pas etre
transferes en argent, augmentant d'autant le nombre
d'echanges. Mais si les entrepriss n'ont aucune gene a faire
du troc et qu'elles y trouvent amplement leur compte, les
SEL qui s'adressent aux citoyens n'ont pas la vie aussi
facile.

jct: CBG: Hour to hour
For the moment, barter is mostly popular here among
businesses. There are five commercial networks in the
Montreal directory, that total hundreds of businesses. The
advantage of being part of these networks is undeniable.
Once a business sells its goods, it builds up credits that
it has to spend among members of the same network. The
credits that circulate can't be changed into money, thereby
increasing the number of exchanges. But if businesses have
no shame bartering and find it amply to their benefit, the
LETS that address themselves to helping citizens don't have
life as easy.

JCT: Commercial networks integrate the moment their members
adopt the Time Standard of Money too,

jct: Les reseaux commerciaux sont integres du moment que
leurs membres adoptent le Standard monetaire de Temps.

CBG: En effet, le troc n'a pas tres bonne presse aupres de
la population. Pourtant, les SEL offrent deux avantages
importants a leurs membres: il n'y a pas de frais
d'administration, et les echanges ne sont pas comptabilises
en credits transformables en dollars, mais en heures.

jct: CBG: In fact, barter hasn't had good press among the
population. Nevertheless, LETS offers its members two
important advantages: there are no service charges, and the
exchanges aren't accounted for in units that can be
transformed into dollars, but into hours.

JCT: Actually, they work best with service charges. I hope
the reporter meant "There is no interest charge." And of
course, members can give dollars to a friend in exchange for
Hours. Dollars is just another useful commodity in LETS.

jct: No, les SEL fonctionnent de leur mieux avec des frais
d'administration. J'espere que le journaliste voulait dire
"pas d'interet." Et, certainement, un membre peut echange de
l'argent pour les Heures d'un ami. Dans un SEL, l'argent
federal n'est qu'une autre commodite.

CBG: Donc, si vous faites faire vos impots par un membre
d'un SEL et que cela lui prenne une heure, il vous faudra
offrir une heure d'un service quelconque pour reequilibrer
votre compte. Bien evidemment, vous offrez les services qui
vous plaisent et les rendez seulement si (et quand) vous le
voulez bien. Ce calcul en heures plutot qu'en equivalents
dollars permet de sortir de la logique marchande qui accepte
que pour une heure d'efforts, une femme de menage soit payee
le salaire minimum, alors que la meme heure sera payee des
centaines de dollars a un joueur de hockey.

jct: CBG: So, if you have your taxes done by another LETS
member and it takes him an hour, you'll have to offer him an
hour of some service to equalize your account. Evidently,
you offer services that please you and you give them only if
and when you want to. This calculating in hours instead of
equivalent dollars permits people to escape the mercantile
logic that accepts that for an hour of work, a charwoman
should be paid a minimum, while the same hour will be paid
hundreds of dollars for a hockey player.

JCT: Actually, it does not escape the mercantile logic that
the hockey player's time a doctor's time costs more than a
charwoman's time, it moderates the logic. I am reminded of a
case of a dentist who moderated his fees to around 4 Hours
per hour though his normal federal cash fee was 20 times a
minimum wage. It's not that the dentist's time got worth
less, it's that his network saved him more and he didn't
need to gouge. Where place his extra cash that does not draw
interest?

jct: Vraiment, cela n'echappe pas a la logique marchande qui
accepte qu'une heure d'un joueur de hockey vaut plus que
l'heure d'une femme de menage mais de moderer la logique. Je
me souviens du cas d'un dentiste qui a baisse ses frais a 4
Heures par heure bien que les frais sur l'argent federal
etait de 20 fois le taux minimum de labeur. Ce n'est pas que
son temps valait maintenant moins mais que son reseau lui en
sauvait assez qu'il n'avait pas besoin de trop en profiter.
Ou mettre ses credits de surplus qui ne gagnent pas
d'interet?

CBG: De tout pour tous
La logique marchande et les supposees lois du marche ont
justement souvent ete a la base du developpement des SEL.
C'est le cas du SEL de la Pointe, a Pointe-Saint-Charles,
mis sur pied pour lutter contre l'exclusion des pauvres.
<<Apres quelques annees passees sur le Bien-etre Social,>>
raconte le coordonnateur Charles Gutknecht, <<les gens
oublient ce qu'ils savaient faire avant. Nous sommes la pour
qu'ils se souviennent, et qu'ils reprennent confiance en
leurs capacites. Le SEL leur permet ensuite de s'offrir des
services qu'ils ne pourraient pas avoir autrement. Au moins
95% de ces echanges n'auraient pas lieu s'ils etaient
monetaires: les gens n'auraient jamais les moyens de se les
payer!>>

jct: CBG: From all for all
The mercantile logic and the supposed economic laws were
often the actual base for the development of LETS. That's
the case for the SEL of the Pointe, in Pointe-Saint-
Charles, started to fight against the exclusion of the poor.
<<After a few years on welfare,>> says organizer Charles
Gutknecht, <<people forget what they used to know. We're
there so they remember, and regain confidence in their
capacities. The LETS then allows them to have services they
could not otherwise afford. At least 95% of these exchanges
would never take place if they were monetary; people would
never have the means to pay.>>

CBG: Christine Bernier, de la Boite des Savoir-Faire, le
plus vieux SEL du Quebec, rencherit: <<Un massage est un
service inaccessible pour quelqu'un ayant peu d'argent. Mais
grace au SEL, les gens demunis peuvent s'en payer un. En
plus de valoriser l'estime de soi, nos groupes favorisent la
sante physique et mentale. D'auant plus que les SEL brisent
l'isolement et permettent a leurs membres de se creer un
reseau de contacts, chose plus difficile depuis que les
familles sont plus petites et que les travailleurs autonomes
sont apparus. L'impact social des groupes de troc est
important et devrait etre etudie: ils ameliorent la
condition des gens et offrent une rentabilite sociale qui
meriterait un appui politique.>>

jct: CBG: Christine Bernier, of the Box of Know-hows, the
oldest LETS in Quebec adds: <<A massage is a service
inaccessible for someone without money. But thanks to LETS,
deprived people can pay themselves one. As well as
evaluating one's self-esteem, our groups favor mental and
physical health. And LETS break the isolation and let
members create a network of contacts, something difficult
since families are smaller and more independent workers have
appeared. The social impact of the trock groups is important
and should be studied: they improve the condition of people
and offer a social feasibility that merits political
support.>>

CBG: Mais l'argument economique n'est pas le seul qui motive
les gens a faire partie d'un SEL. La Banque d'Echanges
Communautaires de Services (BECS) a ete fondee par des
benevoles du parti Montreal Ecologique, qui voulaient
appliquer dans la realite l'une des propositions de leur
parti. Desservant surtout les residants du Plateau, la BECS
attire une clientele professionnelle (ebeniste,
photographes, informaticiens, etc.), de meme que de nombreux
travailleurs autonomes gagnant moins de trente mille dollars
par annee. Meme des PPE (Petites Petites Entreprises) sont
maintenant membres des SEL.

jct: CBG: But the economic argument isn't the only one
motivating people to join a LETS. The Community Services
Exchange Bank (BECS) was founded by volunteers from of the
Montreal Ecological Party, that wanted to apply some reality
to one of their platforms. Serving mainly residents of the
"Plateau", the BECS draws a professional clientele (cabinet
maker, photographer, computer-programmers, etc.) as well as
numerous independent workers earning less than thirty
thousand dollars per year. Even some PPE (Small Small
Enterprises) are not are now members of LETS.

JCT: They sound like Greens, except they practice what they
preach.

jct: On dirait que ce sont des Verts, mais, des Verts qui
pratiquent ce qu'ils prechent.

CBG: Le restaurant Les Vivres et la freperie La Boheme font
figure de pionniers. <<Je suis seule dans mon entreprise,
raconte Lauraine Levesque, de La Boheme. J'en suis a mes
debuts, je ne fais pas encore beaucoup d'argent et j'ai eu
recours a un SEL pour me payer des services.> Jusqu'a
maintenant, Lauraine Levesque a pu profiter d'aide pour
l'amenagement de la boutique et l'installation de ses
tablettes, et s'est meme fait remplacer a l'occasion. <J'ai
des vetements en quantite, mais je n'ai ni temps ni argent>,
explique-t-elle. Ses vetements peuvent donc etre achetes en
heures par les membres de deux SEL! Pour permettre ce genre
de transactions, les groupes ont decide qu'une heure valait
un peu plus de dix dollars, soit environ le double du
salaire minimum.

jct: CBG: Les Vivres restaurant and La Boheme Pancake House
were pioneers. <<I'm alone in my business,>> relates
Lauraine Lesvesque of La Boheme. "I'm starting out, I'm not
making a lot of money and I resorted to LETS to pay for some
services.>> So far, Lauraine Lesvesque has profited of the
help for the management of her boutique and installation of
her shelving, and even found someone to substitute for her
on occasion. <<I have clothes in quantity, but I don't have
the time or the money,>> she explains. Her clothing can get
her Hours by members of two LETS! To facilitate this type of
transaction, the groups decided that an Hour was worth a
little more than ten dollars, around twice the minimum wage.

JCT: I like $12 an Hour. $1 Greendollar per 5 minutes.

jct: J'aime l'Heure a $12. $1 dollarvert par 5 minutes.

CBG: Les transactions avec ces deux commerces sont possibles
pour les membres de la BECS et pour ceux du Systeme
d'Entraide Volontaire et d'Echanges (SEVE), le SEL qui
organise la soiree de mardi prochain avec Michel Chartrand.
Ces deux SEL ont integre leurs offres et leurs demandes de
services, permettant a leurs membres d'avoir acces a un
reseau de plus de cent trente personnes. C'est un peu ce
genre d'ententes que visent a favoriser les activites inter-
SEL: consolider ce qui existe deja, mais aussi provoquer des
developpements.

jct: CBG: The transactions with these two businesses are
possible for both the members of BECS and for those of the
SEVE System of Volunteer Self-help and Exchange, the LETS
that is organizing the soiree next Tuesday evening with
Michel Chartrand. These two LETS have integrated their
service offers and demands permitting their members access
to a network of over 130 persons. It's this kind of
agreements that aim at encouraging inter-LETS activities:
consolidate what already exists and also provoke
developments.

JCT: I wonder if their members know they can already spend
their social credits all around the world like I did?

jct: Je me demande si leurs membres savent qu'ils peuvent
deja depenser leurs credits sociaux partout dans le monde
comme je l'ai fait?

CBG: On espere que la publicite entourant l'evenement
facilitera le recrutement pour les groupes existants, mais
aussi, peut-etre, la creation de nouveaux SEL. Surtout que,
comme le dit Frederic Lemire, membre du comite de gestion du
SEVE, <ca ne demande que deux ou trois heures par semaine
pour en demarrer un>.

jct: CBG: They hope that publicity surrounding the event
will help recruitment for already existing groups and also,
perhaps, the creation of new LETS. Especially that, as says
Frederic Lemire, member of the management committee of SEVE,
<<it only takes two or three hours a week to start one up.>>

Conference de Michel Chartrand organisee par les SEL Mardi,
28 mars 2000, a 19:00h, au World Beat, 1592, boulevard
Saint-Laurent Entree gratuite

JCT: We would really appreciate news of the LETS of Quebec.
Could infojeu@..., allactaga@...,
jean.leblond@..., vnuvoli@... write to
bring us up to date on your efforts in the past two years to
<letsfr@yahoogroups.com>.

jct: On aimerais beaucoup avoir des nouvelles des SELs du
Quebec. Peut-etre infojeu@...,
allactaga@..., jean.leblond@...,
vnuvoli@... pouraient nous ecrire pour nous mettre au
courant de vos efforts dans les dernieres deux annees a
<letsfr@yahoogroups.com>

--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:26:58 -0700
>From: info@...
>Subject: Reply to your post
>To: turmel@...
>Scurvy replied to your post at the site: .

S: You know... I've been avoiding replying to you because
you just rant too much, John, and because you slag my
friends. But since you seem reasonably lucid right now, I'll
reply. You say that by "fighting" the way you are, you KNOW
you'll loose support, but that other support will grow, and
while that may very well be true, is it the kind of support
you want?

JCT: Absolutely. People who don't care who's right and who's
wrong and blame both sides for fighting fall right into the
hands of the establishment. Have your moles fight without
anyone getting close and a whole bunch will be turned off by
the fighting and the real fighter loses with your moles.

S: I understand perfectly you're desire to be heard... and
your anger at being ignored, we all feel it.

JCT: I'm sorry but I'm not quite sure where I've been
ignored. I'm pretty tough to ignore. My anger is at having
my motion to invalidate the law sabotaged and that blocking
of me supported by your friends.

S: Every day I wish that the ideas that I have in my head
could be explained to everyone... then maybe they'd
understand what I'm trying to say... what we're all trying
to say... It's so simple for us, those of us who understand,
and who aren't clouded by prohibitionist bullshit... I think
that if I could just sit them down and show them the
mountains of evidence, that it would be over in a second.

JCT: Are you saying that the powers that be are just to slow
to comprehend all your logic? That's it? Just slow! That
explains why the truth has been successfully suppressed for
70 years and still ignored now? Because they don't see? Or
is there another agenda?

S: It doesn't work like that... people ACTIVELY try and NOT
understand, because it goes against the brainwashing we've
all been through for our entire lives. But what you're doing
makes YOU a saboteur just as much as you think Allan Young's
a saboteur. The people that YOU call "moles" have done some
very good things.

JCT: You think moles rise to the top by doing bad in public
or good things? Look up an author named Lecarre.

S: They may have made mistakes, I'm not going to even
pretend I know everything, but SO HAVE YOU.

JCT: Mistakes I can take. Sabotage with no explanation, I
won't take. You tell me what was gained by sabotaging
Parker's motion towards getting him to join the new one in
the wrong court? And sure, everyone makes mistakes. Even me.
I just don't remember one here yet. Go ahead and remind me
of my biggest one.

S: You are being just as divisive as they are. You are being
as much of a problem as they are.

JCT: No. They sabotaged an honest shot on goal. My
divisively trying to kick them off of our team isn't the
same kind of problem even if it is going to cause some
problems. Think of getting rid of the vermin as lancing a
boil. Once the pus is gone, the whole can heal.

S: And wouldn't it be MUCH more fruitful to reach some sort
of a compromise, and fight against the REAL problem, which
is lack of true education, and lack of politican balls?

JCT: You just don't know the meaning of the word "sabotage"
yet, do you? Let me get out Black's Law Dictionary:

    Sabotage: Term has reference to the willful destruction
    or injury of, or defective production of, war material or
    national-defence material, or harm to war premises or war
    utilities. Term also applies to willful and malicious
    destruction of employer's property during a labor dispute
    or interference with his normal operations.

Call it a drug war if you like, I call it "combat
engineering;" even if the projectiles are legal motions or
political orations.
But Young admitted coming to the Parker hearing with a
hidden purpose, to block Turmel's motion to invalidate the
law. It was a "hidden" purpose. Do you understand what I
mean by "hidden?" I mean two-faced. Lying. Crooked. All the
words I can use and he can't deny. Ask Terry if Young was
supposed to open his mouth and get Turmel's motion to kill
the law delayed. Young did that on his own without telling
us what he was going to do and he came to stick his nose
into my case and then admitted it.
And you think there can be some sort of compromise with that
kind of treachery? It's probably the greatest treason the
medpot movement has ever known, or will soon be seen to be,
and you want me to not wait for his apology but to pretend
it didn't happen and just reach a compromise? What sort of
compromise would you accept from Young if you were in my
shoes? Can you answer? Maybe you could accept to shake his
hand. I can't.

S: Wouldn't it work better if we all came together, stood up
as a group and said "Enough, I refuse to be called a
criminal any longer.", just like http://www.jeffandtracy.com
Jeff and Tracy

JCT: No, all coming together is not better if some are
coming together with us to sabotage our efforts. No. I don't
need them around me. I don't want them around me. One Judas
move per mole. Sure I'll forgive you but stay out of our way
from now on because if you pop up again, you're being
treated like the moles.

S: Now THAT is balls.

JCT: You think it takes balls to "fight against lack of true
education, and lack of politican balls?" You think education
and balls are the issues?
There is legal machinery killing sick people and declaring
it evil and shutting it down is all that interests me. Not
who thinks I've got balls or education. You spend the next
20 years educating the ignorant. I'm going to spend the next
20 months browbeating the establishment organs. That may not
take balls but it takes brains.

S: But we don't... and why... because we're all afraid of
being first.

JCT: That's not one of my problems.

S: We're all afraid of being targetted by the cops, or
having an "anonymous" Crime Stoppers call with our address
in it...

JCT: Of course. You're not self-defenders. You're the kind
of people they can punish with lawyers' bills. Cops aren't
too interested in Ray Turmel-type defences with jury trials
that take a month tying down 4 Crown Attorneys and then more
at appeals. All for free for the poor defendant and an
excruciating expense on the state. And Johnny Dupuis'
identical case is coming up with Ray ready to help him
follow the same steps in his defence.

S: I don't want the cops at MY door, asking questions that
they should have no right to ask.  I smoke cannabis, and I
have a lot to loose, just like a lot of other people, and by
saying even THIS I've probably opened myself up more than
I'd like... I am afraid by writing a letter to the paper, or
posting even this here, that I'll get a knock on my door
from my local OPP,and that's it for Adam.

JCT: And I'm fearless. As a paupered debt slave, I have
nothing to lose by my chains. But I not only have to tackle
the guys that have you so scared but also the guys who have
you so fooled. No matter how much good I am actually doing
for you, you're going to resent my doing it because I have
to expose some your good buddies as rats and moles they're
paid to be. Tough. I'm here to get a job engineered, not
impress you or anyone.

S: The problem is (and I don't know why I'm even posting
this, because from what I've seen, you're as extreme as
George W. in the US... if I'm not "with you", then I must be
"against you", and therefore a sabateur) that nothing is
black and white, John, no matter how much you or I may wish
it to be.

JCT: That's quite an unfair shot, isn't it? Have I treated
anyone else other than Alan Young as the saboteur? Have I
treated anyone other than those supporting his blocking me
as rats and moles? And they're not many who came out in
support of Young's blocking Turmel: Marc Emery, Steve Bacon,
Alison Myrden, Boris St-Maurice, Richard Lake, and a few
loyal dupes. Truly, a small cadre of people who have
publicly endorsed Young's sabotage.

You say what Young did is not black and white, tell me one
redeeming feature of what he did? Just one. Richard Lake
provided much laughter and earned the medpot-discuss group's
ridicule as he tried to explain that the professor had to be
right in blocking Turmel, and even if he couldn't tell
anyone what it was, the "professor must be right."

Some cases are black and white even if political correctness
may insist that all, even black, arguments have some merit.
Some have none. Young's two-faced sabotage does not. No one
in two months has stated one good thing to come of blocking
Turmel's motion. No one. I've offered bets at 10:1 odds.
What do the odds have to be before you are convinced I'm the
White Knight and Young's the Black Betrayer? 100: 1 odds?

Sure. Okay. You know I've offered my $50 against in the
Young gang founding up $5 to bet on him. For you I'll do a
special deal. If you can think of any redeeming reason why
Young would have not told us what he came to do and then do
it so it would, in his words, "ensure Turmel's motion to
invalidate the law would not proceed," then I'll give you
100:1 odds.

You bet 50 cents that you think he had a valid reason to
sabotage Terry's motion against my $50. Two quarters that
Young is not all black and that Turmel is not all white.
I have done nothing wrong in this and only want to
invalidate the law. And to beat up those people who popped
up to oppose me in the hopes people would come to
realization that if they're fighting against my motion, they
can't be for our team. My way of exposing the traitors for
you to see. If you can't see, that's okay, many many others
do and are not so quick to forgive and forget the
professor's treason, especially when he hasn't asked for
that forgiveness.

Sure we know the quarterback bet against the team, but let's
still all work together.

S: For me personally, one of the scariest things about this
is that I know exactly what you mean, and I could very
easily see myself doing the same things that you are
doing... but it wouldn't get me anywhere, just like it's not
really getting you anywhere.

JCT: I know. You're in the Guinness Book of Records too. Ad
the Great Canadian Character Anthology too. And you got
invited to address the UN on the Millennium Declaration too.
And you might very easily see yourself doing the same things
I have done, and their not getting you anywhere. But you're
not me. And I'm getting so nowhere that a law professor had
to sacrifice his cover and his career to block my motion to
invalidate the law." I know I make it all look easy,
stickhandling 11 judicial reviews, Terry's 3-court actions,
Ray's jury trial and appeal and my upcoming attack, I sure
you could too. Please, take some time, not a year, and get
your motion to invalidate the law before the courts in 5
weeks like I did for Terry. It's all so boringly easy.
But as for not getting anywhere, the establishment is
reeling in disarray. Didn't you read the Paquette Judicial
Review report where the unprepared Crown got trounced?
S: The people who you SHOULD be working with, the people who
believe what you believe, and want to see a very similar
world (at least WRT cannabis) as you do... you hate them,
and they hate you...

JCT: Really? I hate Alan because he believes in what I
believe? Not. I hate Alan's treachery because he does NOT
believe in what I believe in. I've never met or faced such
an epitome of being the rat. In Canada, his many friends in
the movement who think of him as an esteemed law professor
helping the cause are offended. But around the world, he's
nobody's personal friend and they just think of him as a
treacherous lawyer betraying the cause are delighted by his
exposure. Around the world, Alan Young's the judas lawyer
who spiked Turmel's first of many motions to invalidate the
law. In wonder what they'll think of those who want to
forget and move on?

S: The biggest problem to the legalisation of cannabis
"movement" is that THERE ISN"T ONE.

JCT: I've engineered movement. I started almost alone and my
team of honest supporters is still growing. Only the rats,
moles and dogs of prohibition are being chased away. So
speak for yourself and no movement. With you hand-in-hand
with saboteurs, your lack of results is not unexpected. I'm
pretty well a loner with no saboteurs to slow me down. Ergo
the moving results that made the past 5 of six Cannabis
Cultures and should have made the sixth. So there is
movement, it's just that it's not with you guys who seem
happy with the speed you and your buds are going at.

S: There are so many different opinions, so much FUD
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/FUD.html
what the hell is FUD?, that we are being divided, and we
have for the last 80 years been conquered by the things we
ALL know are lies. Further dividing the already fragmented
"movement" to legalise cannabis will only serve to help keep
it illegal, it won't do anything to make it legal.

JCT: Further dividing it into the movement into the part
that wants to invalidate the law and the part that doesn't
is fine by me. I'm going with the guys who want to
invalidate the law, not the guys who don't want it
invalidated by Turmel. That's not good enough a reason. That
the government is paying them to be a rat is a good reason,
but not liking me, that's not a good reason.

S: This is all, of couse, my NSHO, and to be honest I don't
expect a rational answer from you.

JCT: That's the second time you slur my mental instability.
Anytime you want to have a live debate on chat, say the
word. But do you find I sound less rational soon after
you've taken your medication? Because, your cheap shot
should haunt you for posterity. Since The Engineer is always
lucid, I must assume that those who admit they can't stay
with it all the time are the ones not lucid all of the time.
Mustn't you agree?

S: I'm sorry for that, since I'm assuming (and I don't know
you personally at all)... but I have to go with what I've
seen and heard from you (and about you) over the months and
years... There, I've rambled on, said my piece.  I hope it
makes sense.

JCT: So that's your opinion of me after the almost 2 years
worth of my endeavors that you have witnessed. Fine. You
have your right to your opinions. Do I look worried?

--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: Marc-Boris St-Maurice and Alex Neron were charged with
trafficking after being busted selling medpot at the
Compassion Club of Montreal. It was a defence motion to
reopen for new evidence that was granted by Judge Cadieux
that is being used as the basis to reopen the Ray Turmel
constitutional question before sentencing due later today on
Friday.

Boris' lawyer, Pierre Leger, was asking that the judge grant
constitutional exemptions to Boris, Alex, Carolyn Doyer and
all Compassion Club employees serving the sick until there
is a legal source or in the alternative to have the charges
against Boris and Alex stayed, not what I'd call a direct
offensive attack on the law. I don't remember him arguing to
have the law directly declared unconstitutional though it
may be implied.

I had announced I was going to Montreal to offer the Defence
the aces from Parker's case. We got there around 8:00am and
Ray was supposed to be at the Court of Appeal at 8:30 for
his Court of Appeal telephone conference call. I had to stop
at a photocopy shop to prepare the documents for Boris. I
made copies for 5-page kits with:
- Parker's Pitt decision "until the government has complied"
- Ministry Affidavit that they did not aim at easier access;
- Mathematics Affidavit that
      a) they did aim at harder access by complicating
equations right in the legislation ;
      b) the odds are that prohibition kills.

So armed with my what I call Parker's Five-Ace hand,
actually seven, off to the Montreal courthouse. Ray went in
for his telephone hearing and I grabbed our "Stop the war on
Drugs" protest sign and did a picket until around 9:15. Ray
wasn't out of his hearing so I went to Boris's courtroom.

On the way, I noticed Hugo St. Onge, the Marijuana Party of
Canada Chief Financial Agent who was charged with assaulting
me at the April 21 meeting. I thought he hissed something at
me and when I turned around and went up to him to find out
if he had anything he wanted to say that I could hear, he
didn't. As I was leaving, he did jest about my wanting to be
Boris's "expert in odds." He might not appreciate what the
expert in odds could do for Boris' defence but at least they
were laughing about it.

You have to appreciate that it was really breaking my heart
to be offering Parker's Aces to Boris, author of one of the
sleaziest political adventures in my journals. As well, he's
the guy responsible for making sure I didn't get to break a
new Guinness record Election #55 by telling the convention
that the second Montreal riding already had a candidate
which misled me into believing the second Montreal riding
already had a candidate.

So going off to Montreal to hand him the Aces that Parker
was going to use to invalidate the law, the Aces that Marc
Paquette's Federal Court judge is right now considering in
his reserved decision Marc's Parker motion to invalidate the
law, the Aces Ray possibly could reopen his Parker challenge
later today before Quebec Superior Court Justice Plouffe
with and me on July 9 after examining Health Canada's
officials about the 94 dormant Canadians asking to have the
Quebec Superior Court invalidate the law on the same Aces
too. So going to Montreal to offer them to Boris where he
might be the one to cross the victory line first was really
making me nauseous. After fighting so hard to gain so much
yardage, to think it was going to be Boris who got to use
the Aces to cross the goal line to score the touchdown was a
real bummer. Anyone but Boris. But "the good of the game..."
God works in mysterious ways and if he set it up so it's
Boris's judge to be the first to rule on Parker's Aces, so
be it. No matter how I hated it, I walked up to Boris
handing him Parker's Aces.

But the new evidence already had one ace. Entered and agreed
to by the Crown were two affidavits. The first was Claude
Messier, a severely crippled Section 56 exemptee who no
longer satisfies the bureaucratic requirements for an
exemption. His affidavit pointed out that his exemption had
expired and he was a month with no protection until he heard
about the new Health Canada extensions (Paquette Feb 27 win)
and got one on June 6.
A while back, I pointed out that when Cannabis Culture
killed the story of Paquette's victory for all Canadian
exemptees, all those readers who were exemptees and failed
to find out about the new extensions they could have so
easily gotten could blame their pain on the Cannabis Culture
editor who spiked the news. Dana Larsen claimed
responsibility and pleaded editorial judgment. I had hoped
no one had hurt themselves while pointing out I'd blame
whoever did censor the biggest story of the year that could
have saved many Exemptees like Claude Messier from hitting
the wall, spending a month in unconstitutional Parker
jeopardy of having to choose between their medicine and
breaking the the law, and then finding out about the new way
out two months late. Messier found out from Marc Paquette
and me at the Marijuana Party Convention in April.
So Dana, when you spiked the Paquette "automatic extensions
for expiring exemptees" story, let me point out that Claude
Messier is a Cannabis Culture reader and it is your failure
to let him know of the Paquette victory that cost him that
month of pain that he just testified to in his affidavit.

The other affidavit was from Carolyn Doyer, manager of the
Montreal Compassion Club who, get this, has an exhibit in
her affidavit which is the Exhibit "G" from the Terry Parker
Affidavit, the Editorial from the College des Medecins du
Quebec that tells their members they should not fill out the
government's access forms. I call Terry's Ontario Medical
Association refusal his Ace of Clubs, call this the Quebec
Ace of Clubs!

And Claude Messier's valid need that now fail to qualify for
ministerial exemption is the Quebec Ace of Spades, just like
Parker's expired exemption proved to Justice Pitt that he
was back in real danger, his Ontario Ace of Spades. So too,
Messier's affidavit of actually being back in danger for a
whole month is now everyone's Quebec Ace of Spades.

The Crown tried to argue that because the judge had not
found it necessary to hear a witness from the College during
the trial, then he shouldn't find it necessary to read what
they had to say but Judge Cadieux said there was a
difference between having someone come and testify and
having a public statement included in an affidavit,
especially a statement by the very influential president of
the association which had a bearing on the operability of
the regulations that the Crown says solves all the problems.
"Wouldn't we pay serious attention to the Batonnier of the
Quebec Bar were he to write an editorial?"

At that point, when Leger argued that the new regulations
were impossible to comply with, the judge asked him if he
were not better to use it to attack the law directly. My
mind is screaming "Yes. Do it. Say to the court: I move that
the law be declared inoperable because the doctors' refusal
makes the law inoperable." And sit. The direct attack with
our Ace of Clubs used by Parker, Ray Turmel, Paquette, me.
But not the direct attack for Boris. I don't think the
lawyer understood what the judge meant by the direct attack
because it was not pursued.

The Judge even asked "Are there any other medical
associations that refuse, or is it just Quebec?" Leger
didn't point out the Ontario Medical Association's letter
convinced Justice Pitt in the Parker case. Why?

Actually, he didn't know. He didn't have the Pitt decision.
I went up to Boris at the start of the trial offering him
Terry documentary aces, he shouted "Get away from me." I
guess he and Hugo had agreed they didn't want any documents
from the Wizard of Odds. So when the Court asked Leger about
others, he didn't know Terry had not only his Quebec
Association but also the OMA (Exhibit "A") and CMPA (Exhibit
"H").

The judge asked for the basis of his authority to
invalidate the law. Leger argued that this was a case where
it was the right thing to do. The judge said "Don't just
tell me "you should," tell me why." And not having prepared
for the direct assault on the law, only seeking permission
to be exempted from prosecution of a non-challenged law, he
didn't know where to go from there. If he had had my
documents, he could have pointed out Justice Pitt offered
relief "until the government complies," that Parker was now
unprotected and the math expert says the law is killing
people, this being the most important finding. But the judge
is going to have to figure that out himself. Boris's team
had no answer.

Nevertheless, Boris got the Quebec Ace of Clubs in his
evidence and Ray has a pretty good reason to expect that he
can have the same Ace of Clubs in his constitutional motion
to invalidate the law too! Even if it comes from another
case that forgot to ask to invalidate the law.

What they did not have was the Pitt decision's red aces
granting Parker's emergency status and granting relief. They
did not have the math wildcards.

Both sides mentioned the implications of Alan Young's
Canadian exemptees challenging the validity of the law
(where they can't win without mentioning Paquette's judge
out on a reserved decision in a court where he can win.
They'd all heard of the Young motion but not Paquette's
reserved decision.)

So you can imagine how actually relieved I felt when Boris
had shouted "Get away from me" in refusing the documents.
It's also why, when the Court asked if that completed the
evidence, I wanted them to get our Aces in but couldn't feel
bad when Maitre Leger announced that it was all. No more
evidence.

They're asking Cadieux to grant constitutional exemptions to
the volunteers designated by the Compassion Club! He
probably doesn't have the power for that kind of remedy but
was asked to do it anyway like Parker's judge Sheppard did.
He does have the power to declare a law that kills of no
force and effect but he wasn't asked.

But they agreed that the Superior Court did have the power
so Justice Plouffe in Ray's case does have the power. So why
can't Plouffe grant the exemption to Ray for his wife's care
since she has her doctor's prescription like their members
in Montreal, Ray's 1-member compassion club, and the
doctor's say-so was all that Parker ever needed for his
judicial exemption. When Government exemptions don't work
when they should, only judicial ones are left.

Now that the Big Government one "don't work," only a
judicial declaration of no force and effect grants the big
general healing.

Crown argued the new rules provide Boris with a real way to
get a grower's license. Why not apply? Given the change in
the law, the motion for exemptions for club caregivers is
moot. He asked if exemptions were for Boris to what?
Possess, traffic? Everyone? How much? For life? He argued
that it was not up to the judge to settle the problems of
the compassion club. Because Mr. Messier can have it is no
right for him to traffic it. Why can't I start up a club to
sell my dope? MMAR is not perfect but presumed valid.

Judge reserved decision until Aug. 29 2002.

--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

Hi Everybody,

The following is a copy of the letter that we sent to politicians, media, and
interested organizations concerning the situation that we are enduring. Our
situtation illustrates, all too well, the prejudice experienced by any of us who
require medical marijuana. We are fighting back but find ourselves literally
outnumbered by the opponent.

June 13, 2002

Dear Fellow Medicinal Marijuana Community Citizens:

This letter is to share a small portion of what we have experienced since Eric
has had an exemption to use medicinal marijuana. It has not been a hasty resolve
to speak out. However, we may help others by doing so.

We need help!

Eric has multiple sclerosis and legally uses a small bit of marijuana (cannabis
sativa) for the treatment of its symptoms and to slow down its progression.

Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a degenerative brain disease that too often leads to
great disabilities, from paralysis to blindness. Living with MS is a constant
struggle. Help is limited in terms of conventional toxic medication. Marijuana
is a wonderful medicinal herb for MS, it has been a Godsend for Eric in the
palliative care of the vicious symptoms of this incurable disease. If in doubt
about the medicinal benefits of marijuana, please visit the website of GW
Pharmaceuticals, www.gwpharm.com, a UK company that develops cannabis-based
medicines.

Eric has been prescribed marijuana by his family doctor and has been granted an
exemption from Health Canada to possess and grow marijuana for medicinal
purposes.

There has been a consistent pattern of lying and disrespect, ie: dealing in bad
faith with us, because of Eric¹s medicinal use of marijuana, by some of our
neighbours, the Capital Region Housing Corporation (CRHC), the BC Human Rights
Commission (BCHRC), the Saanich Police, the Residential Tenancy Branch and
Health Canada.

Marijuana is a controlled substance and would be commonly recognized by
reference to the word "narcotic" or "illicit drug". Media reports are rife with
gangster and criminal portrayals of "drug" use. A stereotype has developed much
like the one faced by Rosa Park when she took a seat on a Montgomery, Alabama
city bus in 1955.

At the time, discrimination against black persons was acceptable in the United
States and was based, inter alia, on beliefs that the odour and IQ of black
people was substandard. They were called "niggers", debased creatures; second
class citizens because of their skin colour.

Marijuana is now legal for medicinal purposes and society must work to change
the public attitude towards medicinal use, this is a matter of human rights.

Marijuana is Eric's palliative treatment. Palliative treatments are protected
against discrimination. Eric's right to consume marijuana should be championed
by public agencies such as the BC Human Rights Commission, the Capital Region
Housing Corporation or an arbitrator appointed under the Residential Tenancy
Act.

On September 01, 2001, we sought and obtained housing from a public agency, the
CRHC, and we moved our belongings into our new apartment in a building where
tobacco smoking is allowed and apparent. From the first week that we arrived we
have been undergoing harassment.

On October 7, 2001, we received the first anonymous letter in our mailbox saying
thatwe did not belong in the building and alleging marijuana smoke coming from
our suite. This aggressive yet anonymous accusation was a complete and utter
shock to us and greatly perplexed us. We had previously lived in an apartment
building where the suite doors were very close together and had never received
any complaints of odour in the hallway or anywhere. We are very careful with
Eric's smoke and ensure that there is no second hand marijuana smoke in the
hallway from Eric's use. We are good tenants.

We contacted our landlord, the CRHC, and the Saanich Police in regards to
theanonymous letter. Neither of these authorities helped or expressed ways to
help except to hermetically seal our apartment. When we rejected that
discriminatory proposal, we then sought to mediate with the CRHC and the
tenants. The CRHC was content to entirely ignore our desperate plea for help,
preferring to "leave us to the (anonymous) wolves".

By October 19, 2001, it was apparent that the CRHC intended to force us out by
winking at our neighbours' harassment. They were hoping that the stress would
upset our lives and that we would flee, Eric being ill we are very vulnerable.

Eric filed a complaint with the BC Human Rights Commission in November, 2001.
The complaint was moved to the investigation/mediation stage in early January
2002.

On January 25, 2002, a BCHRC officer recommended that the claim be dismissed.
During the human rights officer's "investigation" she did not once speak to us
or come to the apartment building to check whether or not there was marijuana
smoke in the hallway from Eric's use!

Eric tried to appeal the recommendation only to discover that the recommendation
had to be taken to another colleague of the BCHRC officer! Although required
under the Human Rights Code, there was no independent Commissioner of Mediation
and Investigation. Instead, the BCHRC officer's recommendation went to her boss
who (surprise!) upheld his subordinate's decision. That has been further
appealed although our impression is that the BCHRC lacks the discernment to see
Eric¹s file for what it is, just as the white man who demanded from Rosa Park
that she concede her seat. In any event, Eric must complete the process at the
BCHRC before relying on the wise judgment of a Supreme Court justice.

Sensing blood, and on the same day of the BCHRC officer's recommendation that
Eric's complaint be dismissed, the CRHC upped the ante by serving us with an
eviction notice because of a medicinal marijuana sign in our window.

We managed to have that withdrawn by removing the sign. Then the CRHC demanded
to search our suite under the guise of an "annual inspection." Nothing in the
Residential Tenancy Act or the tenancy agreement between us and CRHC provides
for such a discretionary search. Victoria Arbitrator K. Knott sided with the
landlord and issued an amendment to the Act by providing that henceforth, annual
Landlord inspections are permitted in BC. Worse, with the analogy of Rosa Parks
ever clear, Knotts noted that the mere admitted presence of marijuana in the
suite in and of itself justified an inspection! That decision has been put to
the Supreme Court by application for judicial review filed on May 31 and is now
pending.

Still, the war being waged against us continues unabated. On May 31, 2002, a
neighbour who has been dropping objects and liquids from his 3rd floor balcony
onto our patio, vaulted over our patio enclosure. We made an emergency 911 call.

Trained to despise all things marijuana, the two Saanich police officers who
attended the call became confrontational and demanded that Eric disclose
personal medical information about his marijuana exemption status before
³intervening². This demand to disclose this information was irrelevant.

The obvious strategy of the CRHC is to make us either give up, ruin our health,
or ruin us financially in ongoing legal costs by making it necessary to ask the
Courts for assistance in this matter.

None of the legal proceedings would be necessary if the CRHC simply did it's job
as a responsible landlord instead of letting itself succumb to a stereotype in
the first instance and now, engaging Eric and Marlene in an expensive legal
fight. Now, the CRHC may well try to shield itself from any public
responsiveness under the guise of not wishing to speak of matters presently
before the Courts, thus allowing their harassing tenants to continue their work.

We live daily with the stress of the harassment from these cannabiphobic
activists. They know that I, Eric, am chronically ill and that Marlene is my
caregiver. We are private, quiet and peaceful people who respect all life. Why
are we not entitled to subsidized housing? Why are the bullies who live around
us encouraged by authority? Why has this situation been left to fester?

We have been deeply affected. Our daily routine has been upset to such an extent
that we can no longer maintain the rigorous regime that Eric must adhere to in
order to help us live a quasi-normal life with multiple sclerosis.

We have been pushed to the depths of despair by the persecution. We understand
what teenager Dawn-Marie Wesley was going through when she hung herself over
being bullied.

As stated in a Globe and Mail (March 30, 2002, p. F1) article on Dawn-Marie,
what can nip bullying in the bud 90 percent of the time is a quick response from
someone in authority who tells the aggressor their behaviour is unacceptable.
That has not happened in our case as it did not happen for Dawn-Marie.

Hate and persecution are ugly truths here. Nobody wants to admit that this is
what we are enduring.

We are but two people in this fight against discrimination and we need help. If
there is anything you can do to help, we would greatly appreciate it. The chair
of the CRHC is Carol Pickup and you can write or call her as follows:

           Carol Pickup, Chairperson
           Capital Region Housing Corporation
           101 - 2957 Jutland Road
           Victoria, BC
           V8T 5J9
           250-388-6422

(Ms Pickup also sits on the board of the parent agency, the CRD.)

The CRHC belongs to the Capital Regional District and the Chair of that parent
organization is:

           Christopher Causton (also Mayor of Oak Bay)
           Chair
           Capital Regional District
           PO Box 1000
           Victoria, BC
           V8W 2S6
           250-360-3228

Sincerely,

Eric & Marlene Young
Liberate Medicinal Marijuana
Victoria, BC
250-370-7602

JCT: Okay, so this is the chance to compare The Gazette's
report after having read mine at
http://yahoogroups.com/group/medpot/message/413


Pot rules are rules: Crown
Montreal Gazette
By Lynn Moore <lmoore@...>

Medicinal-marijuana suppliers challenge drug-trafficking
charges

Friday, June 14, 2002

Even if some people think recent federal regulations on the
supply and distribution of medical marijuana aren't
adequate, a lower-court judge can't decide to fix them by
quashing charges against unauthorized pot distributors, a
federal prosecutor argued in court yesterday.

JCT: That's true. Federal Regulations are S.18(1) Federal
Court jurisdiction.

But a judge could stay charges until the situation is
resolved, the prosecutor told Justice Gilles Cadieux of
Quebec Court during final arguments in the trial of two
Compassion Club of Montreal volunteers.

JCT: A judge can always stay charges.

Marijuana Party leaders and activists Marc St-Maurice and
Alexandre Neron were charged with marijuana possession and
trafficking following a raid on the Rachel St. centre more
than two years ago. About 66 grams of marijuana were seized.
The men contend the laws used to charge them are
unconstitutional.

In affidavits filed yesterday, Cadieux learned of some of
the practical problems with the medical marijuana
regulations which came into effect last August. The
testimony was given by affidavit because one witness is in
failing health and unable to attend court.

Caroline Doyer, the club's director, said she had been
unable to acquire a license to supply marijuana to sick
people - and hasn't yet received information about how to
obtain the license. Both she and Claude Messier, a club
member who suffers from muscular dystrophy, told the judge
that one problem Quebecers face is the position taken by the
Quebec College of Physicians.

requirements 'unclear'

The college has told its members they shouldn't prescribe
marijuana even if patients have been granted a federal
exemption. Messier informed the judge that Health Canada
required that he get a second opinion about his need for
marijuana to relieve the pain and symptoms of his rare
disease but specialists are hard to find - let alone
specialists who would defy the college.

Defence lawyer Pierre Leger said volunteers are required "to
navigate" through unclear federal requirements and barriers
raised by the college.

He asked that Cadieux provide a "constitutional exemption"
for those who provide marijuana to people in need.
Compassion Club requires that its members have
recommendations from their doctors to use marijuana.

JCT: But Cadieux doesn't have the power to provide
constitutional exemptions for those who provide. Wrong
court.

Federal prosecutor Robert Marchi told Cadieux that if the
Compassion Club doesn't like the new regulations, it should
challenge them, not drug-trafficking laws. Or perhaps, it
should go after the doctors' college. "You are not here to
decide the wisdom of the regulations," Marchi said. "You
don't have the tools" to fix them.

JCT: Though they all agreed Superior Court did have the
tools.

The Compassion Club of Toronto has launched a constitutional
challenge of the regulations, the court heard. and a ruling
in that case could be delivered in the fall.

JCT: Wrong Way Young's lemon challenging federal laws in
provincial court. But a Paquette ruling on the same thing in
the right court before Justice Beaudry could be delivered
anytime soon.

If trafficking charges against St-Maurice and Neron were
deemed unconstitutional, then others charged would claim
they, too, were supplying the drug to the sick and needy,
Marchi said.

JCT: Of course, it's a stupid thing to ask for to a judge
without the power grant it.

Cadieux is to rule on Aug. 29.

JCT: And Cadieux never found out that the other medical
associations agreed with Quebec's. And of course, no one
challenged the actual validity of the law on the basis that
it caused death. That awaits another case or Paquette's.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:54 -0700
>From: juldigush@... ("julian")
>Subject: Need Advise
>To: turmel@...
JC TURMEL:
My friend was busted with 1 light and three plants. He is 51
yrs old and smokes for medicinal purposes after a back
injury sustained in a car accident. We are looking for
documented court cases that have proclaimed the medical
necessity for growing small personal med amounts. If you
could help steer us in the right direction, it would be
greatly appreciated. (PS)-His first 1st appearance is Monday
and it would be nice to hit the crown with something like
this, it might just scare them off. - Jules, Kamloops,BC

JCT: What an unbelievably sad situation. But make sure he
does not plead and keeps all his options open by standing
"mute" pursuant to Section 606.2 of the Criminal Code.

The only case that you need is Parker's at the Ontario Court
of Appeal in 2000. He, proving only medical need, won
access. I've heard of others who have had had charges
dismissed and things like that but nothing as powerful as
Parker.

You could point out Justice Beaudry is contemplating the
Parker constitutional issue right now and has been on
reserved decision for the past month.

You could point out that John Turmel is raising the Parker
question on July 9 with Health Canada witnesses to testify
to the people who died waiting for their medicine because of
the Ontario court's stupid decision to give the government
an extra year to keep violating Canadians' right to life
before the killer law is fixed or abolished.

You could point out Parker's Application to declare the law
dead is primed and ready to go any time he chooses on 15
days notice or sooner, depending how serious the
circumstances at the time. From jail, he could go in a day.
From outside, he'll have to now wait the 15 since he's been
protection for 2 months so far with no charges yet.

The only argument you need is to request a date to have a
pre-plea constitutional motion to quash the charges on the
grounds the law is dead, like everyone else is doing,
because the regs fail to protect Parker's and everyone
else's Section 7 right to life.

You'll need to give a certain amount of notice to the
Federal Attorney General and file a form or two extra, but
then you can ask if failing to protect Parker's S.7 right to
life makes the new legislation in violation of the court's
order.

You can point out Justice Pitt who extended Parker's
protection "until the government has complied" and that
ruling on the merits had never been challenged though it is
now on appeal.

And finally, remember what the ditzy cheerleader said. I'm
such a terrible person that if you let the authorities know
you are associated with me and will start going on offence
the Turmel way, they'll give you what you want if you sign
some paper disassociating yourself from me.

We used to call it the "shit on me" principle. Blame me,
whatever. It's worked before for Marylynne Chamney and
others, it's worked before for Steve Smrek fighting off his
foreclosure, it makes sense. Tangling with a self-defender
armed with Turmel's legal artillery turns it into a battle
of attrition where the government is the only side with any
resources to attrit. Our team of paupers has plenty of time
to lose while plugging up their legal oppression machinery.
Just imagine if everyone opted for a month-long jury trial
like Ray did tying up and attriting massive court resources.
They'd cede. It's coming. Because if we don't win with logic
by abolishing the law, then we'll have to win by attrition
plugging up the courts with "fight-to-the-last-Crown"
guerrilla lawyers as fast as they can bust them.

There is so much you'll be able to also do. You people out
on the West Coast, influenced by the anti-Turmel gang around
the Cannabis Vulture, haven't even started using the Federal
Court down the street to challenge your Health Canada
decisions. Nor have the anti-Turmel gang around never-
elected interim Marijuana Party leader Marc-Boris St-Maurice
in Quebec done anything to attack in Montreal Federal Court.

No, the philosophers have nothing better to do than work
together to block Turmel's motions. (Richard Lake said they
were right to "block" Turmel) But if you're going to go on
offence, always go for the win.

See if they'll back down on mere threat of the General of
Ganja Guerrilla Lawyers hitting his keyboard to forge a new
trapeze for you to do your own gymnastics on. If the ditzy
cheerleader is right, they just might decide it's not worth
it, especially if the victim sends in an application for a
Section 56, (since the Crown admitted that Paquette has
forced them to now operate a double system, Section 56 and
MMAR and Section 56 only takes 1 doctor to apply), then
there is also the threat he'll either qualify and the Crown
drops the charges a la Pariseau, Neron, Burkholder, or he'll
end up in Federal Court challenging their decision like
Johnny Dupuis, Nicole Massicotte and Denise Beaudoin are
doing to their refusals.

And you can suggest they consult with the Crown Attorney's
in Toronto, Ottawa, Gatineau, and Montreal on whether they
really want to add Vancouver to their conference calls.

So threaten them with me and then shit on me if to then
disassociating will get you what you need without a fight.
But then don't be ditzy and blab to ruin it for others.

But if they want to fight over a 1-light 3-plant set-up for
a sick guy, then you can count on me to help you give them
one they'll not soon remember.


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: No rabbit out of the magic hat this time. I really
wanted to get this re-opened because it would have pulled
off was a double shot at a win. Another free shot at
declaring prohibition dead with Justice Plouffe before the
inevitable free shot with the Trio above. A second shot is
always better than having only one but Professor Alan Young
may disagree. What would a non-lawyer like me know?

If it were still at the stage just after the verdict but
before the appeal or sentencing, I'd think that it would
have been very arguable that the judge could grant leave to
reopen the mutually exclusive (orthogonal) constitutional
issue, especially given Wilson mute move so leave is not
even necessary.

The problem is that the jurisdiction on the validity of the
indictment had already been transfered to the higher Court
of Appeal within 30 days after the conviction without even
knowing what the sentence would be. The problem meant the
rabbit had no escape if the Crown found the Court of Appeal
card to trump even Wilson.

Even the Wilson mute plea can't shake that problem though I
don't see why another "pre-plea" motion to quash at any
stage could not have been accepted had it not been for the
forced "early" appeal. Sure, it was a long-shot with a cute
twist, but the fact that the issue was already on the agenda
of three higher judges to whom all the new evidence may be
still presented precludes any argument for the lower court
spending time on it too.

As a matter of fact, during a break, I mentioned to the
Citizen reporter that the higher court's seizure of
jurisdiction was the only impediment I could see the Crown
finding that I didn't think I could beat. And it hadn't been
brought up at that point so I was keeping my mouth shut and
hoping for a fluky "yes" to present the new Parker Aces to
get an answer in days that can be jumped right back up to
the Court of Appeal with no loss of time.

And yet, Justice Plouffe is the judge who heard all the
evidence. Justice Plouffe heard Defendant's wife Denise
Beaudoin and her doctor explain how marijuana works in her
case. He knows it's no scam. He heard Terry Parker explain
how he was left unprotected by the new legislation. He heard
Marc Paquette's head-aches with exemption conditions. He
heard Johnny Dupuis explain how they insisted on a
psychiatric exam no matter how many times the doctor
insisted it was not necessary to deal with Johnny's stab
wounds to his liver, lungs and throat. He heard Don Appleby
with AIDS who had been refused an exemption and finally got
one but broke the law while waiting and will live. He heard
Ron St. Denis with AIDS who had been refused an exemption
and finally got one but who did not break the law and whose
virus count rose beyond redemption while he was waiting and
will die, killed by the Ministry's stalling tactics.
Actually, Justice Plouffe may still be under the impression
that Ron St. Denis is just at home dying away with no
medicine and not know that Ron finally got his exemption,
albeit too late to save him from his virus count.

How is it better to introduce some new evidence while having
to re-explain to a new panel the whole pile of old evidence
when the judge who already heard the whole pile of old
evidence only has to listen to the new? Especially - if you
hear the tapes - since so much was very emotional.

And is it logical that an appeal must be taken before
finding out what the sentence would be? What if it's
something acceptable, maybe laudable, perhaps even
revolutionary? Then we would have to abandon the appeal. It
would make better sense that one should be allowed to appeal
anytime up to 30 days after the termination of the case, not
just the verdict; up until 30 days after the judge has
discharged his duty. Having to appeal before knowing what
the sentence will be is the head-ache that is causing
everyone to go the long route now.

So there are many good reasons for the new evidence to be
heard by the original trial judge and few for doing the
whole thing all over again for the higher Trio, other than
if I were seeking attrition of resources by guerrilla
lawfare which is not the desired tactic here when strategy
aims at final victory. But the best reason for having tried
to have the new evidence entered at the original court was
getting two shots at victory instead of only one. Force of
habit. So I tried. Had a shot. Lost nothing. Gained a cute
twist to the story with "Betting-house" Wilson. Now people
finally get to know about his case. Sounds like it would
make a great movie. The Manitoba court called it the "Wilson
Saga."

Now came Ray's moment to plead on sentencing. He had been
found with the bare minimum 3 Kilos necessary to qualify for
a life sentence. Since Section 30.2(b) of the Marihuana
Medical Access Regulations estimates 250gms per plant, Ray
was caught with the equivalent of 12 outdoor plants in a
province where ordinary outlaw growers plant thousands in a
season. But sometimes, in revolutions, some front-line
warriors must suffer the sacrifice. And as Patrick Henry
defiantly shouted before being hung by the British during
the American Revolution: "Give me liberty or give me death,"
so too, Ray defiantly told the judge to make a statement to
Parliament, give him liberty or give him life. I know the
Citizen reporter loved it but I guess the editors did not.

Of course, with the Crown having suggested 20 months, it's
unlikely the judge is going to nail Ray hard, especially
when there there was no way he was coming up with "60,000
joints" in his basement crop no matter how thin the Crown
rolls hers. And Ray's wife's medical predicament represented
valid need. I just hope the play on words didn't give the
judge the idea that spending time in jail with a sick wife
at home isn't being taken seriously. Justice Plouffe
reserved his sentence to next Friday June 21 2002 in the
Gatineau Courthouse Room #8.

Finally, the Crown demurred from seeking a confiscation
order so Judge Plouffe could release the $320 seized from
Ray's person to be used to pay part of the $700 restitution
payment to the power company as part of his lower court
guilty plea earlier today Monday on the secondary charge of
diverting electricity.

So the next foray to Gatineau on Friday. In the meantime, if
Federal Justice Beaudry should declare the law dead in
Paquette's Parker challenge, it's all over too. And wouldn't
it be nice to try to trigger Terry Parker's Supreme Court of
Canada appeal for personal protection and his Superior Court
Return of Motion to declare the law dead to coincide with my
inquisition into Allan Rock's 94 dormant Canadian files on
July 9 in Gatineau Superior Court of Quebec.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: How many times did Richard Lake say: "Turmel was banned
from <http://yahoogroups.com/group/compassionatemoms>?
That's Anne McCormick's group that banned my posts where
Richard "mapinc" Lake and Cher Bitchcraft hang out.

Sounds like I've shaken a few more Prohibitionist bad apples
off the American Abolitionist tree. Because those who oppose
my Abolish Prohibition project are either prohibitionists or
dupes, I can treat them all, the pawns and the moles, like
rats who are exposed by mere opposition to my simple and
sincere objective.

We heard Michael Hess's commentary sent out a few posts ago
about the supposed sabotage of an American Abolitionist
movement, getting medpot on the ballot, by supposed
Abolitionists who didn't think it went far enough for their
satisfaction. The perfectionists.

Same reason as used by York University's Saboteur Professeur
Alan Young to torpedo Terry Parker's motion to invalidate
the law. Ganja Gilligan Young thought Parker's Five Ace hand
wasn't complete enough! "Wrong Way" Young said "I'll do it
right this time," before again filing his Application for
Federal relief in the wrong provincial court. Luckily, he's
pro bono so no one ever loses much money on his wrong way
wino wendings through the courts. Only their time.

So the U.S. Abolitionist movement has their share of Alan
Youngs too. Think about that. And another post in the
medpot-discuss archive mentions the same kind of shenanigans
in their New Zealand marijuana Party as I was exposing in
the Canadian one.

Almost everyone you think is your friend in a position of
some authority is not.

The only person whose motives you can really be sure of is
me. It's the same political program I've been promoting for
the past 23 years at my
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/abprogs.htm site and much
earlier, abolition of prohibition, then on to try to party
through a better life.

Before I tackled the project, I was winning my way through
life, winning enough to support crusades a plenty. Why would
my town, province, nation's police forces call me "Robin
Hood." I was winning from the rich to spend it on saving the
poor.

But raising the priority of the abolition of medpot
prohibition over the abolition of usury permission has
forced me to do my work in Canada for over a dozen different
cases. It's not like presiding as "The Professor" over the
Taj Mahal Poker room during the night and promoting LETS on
the Internet during the day. So I tapped out. Back to
pauperhood just in time for my next fight to the Supreme
Court of Canada in forma pauperis.

There are pretty stringent requirements to qualify for
"forma pauperis" rates and of the six times I have reached
the top, four times were while I was broke enough to
qualify! What a fluke that after 7 years as a top
professional poker player, I manage to end up broke just in
time for my rise to the Supreme Court of Canada again.

And it shouldn't take long to get there with in-depth
testimony about the 94 dormant Canadian from Cindy Cripps-
Prawak, Mr. Carol Langlois, Ms. Jody Gomber, and "first-to-
overrule-a-doctor" Dann "Machiavelli" Michols himself. Above
him are politicians who do what they're told so he's the
real top bad guy. He's the first technician with blood on
his hands. Maybe I can end up getting them charged? I can
always ask, can't I?

So I'm just going to beaver away at the roots of their dam,
keep sapping their foundations. See, the point is this. Go
back and read the past year's battles on medpot and then
figure this will continue for another 10 years. Sure. What
else has a broke angry slave got better to do? Do you think
the government can stand it?

And I can't be bought. So you have to be pretty sure that
it's pretty obvious that all I wanna do is abolish the law.
So who are all these people coming out of the woodwork to
block me?

Richard Lake is funny because every time anyone ever
challenged him to back up anything, he always had to back
down. I used small bets to make him back down but he finally
became so frustrated at trying to defend his buddy Alan
Young he huffed off, unsubscribed and complained when I sent
him my reply.

But he can't stop. He joined another list I post to where
everyone doesn't know he ran away, actually, they all do
now, and writes:

>Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 19:14:51 -0400
>From: rlake@... (Richard Lake)
>Subject: [A Marijuana Smoker's Lounge] For the record Re:
TURMEL:  Oh the Politics of Drug Policy

RL: First, John Turmel thinks I have been in some sort of a
debate with him. I have not.

JCT: Yes, though more like a beating than a debate. And yes,
you have not since you unsubcribed and ran way like a coward
before the whole world. And now he pops up here!

RL: It is the lack of respect, name calling (things like
craftybitch) and ad hominems used against the following
activists who are worthy of respect -- along with cut and
paste jobs which take statements out of context and added to
by John's self serving comments -- that I objected to on his
medpot-discuss list.

JCT: Those are all the reasons he wouldn't answer why he
agreed Alan Young blocking Turmel's efforts to invalidate
the law was a good thing. How they relate was another issue.

RL: Terry Parker http://www.mapinc.org/people/Terry+Parker

JCT: Remember, by now I've told him several times Terry's a
good friend and I think it was Richard's friend Marc Emery
whose attack is now being blamed on me which is one reason
Richard's Mapinc.org link is prominent on the Cannabis
Culture home page.

RL: Alison Myrden http://www.themarijuanamission.com/
http://www.mapinc.org/people/Alison+Myrden

JCT: Sure, the ditzy cheerleader, saying I'm a terrible
person because I have the bad guys in retreat.

RL: Mary Mackenzie -  secretary for Arizona 4 NORML

JCT: I think I've denied this one before.

RL: Cher Ford-McCullough - Kentucky state director of the
American Alliance for Medical Cannabis
http://www.letfreedomgrow.org

JCT: I think she's the one who signs herself as Bitchcraft,
cellogirl, celloperson and she did the forge-posts using the
multiple-sclerosis group. The last straw was when she asked
me to unsubscribe her when she could do it herself with a
click. And other foul-mouth yelps. She's part of Richard's
Kennel Team. Mushes with the best.

RL: Law Professor Alan Young
http://www.mapinc.org/people/Alan+Young

JCT: Judas of the Judiciary. Ganja Gilligan. Court Clutz,
Wrong Way Young. Boy has he got a lot of explaining to do.

RL: Boris St-Maurice - publisher of Heads magazine
http://www.mapinc.org/people/Boris+St-Maurice

JCT: I didn't know he was publisher of Heads magazine. Marc
Emery's boy Boris, the guy Marc Emery funded to lead his
marijuana party Boris, Boris is publisher of the other
medpot magazine in Canada. Narcs at the top of both? Wow.
He showed his true colors when he wouldn't let his lawyer
have the Parker Aces as new evidence though his lawyer got
the Quebec Ace of Clubs (doctors won't sign) in on their own
though he didn't know how to play it.

Finally, one last funny point from the non-leadership
election race Boris didn't win on the day he kept the party
leadership, after a couple of people had gone to the mike to
congratulate Boris on the way he had steered the party from
its inception, I heckled "Forty thousand spent and not even
$10 on membership cards. That's not what I'd call
competence."

RL: Marc Emery - publisher of Cannabis Culture and producer
of http://www.pot-tv.net
http://www.mapinc.org/people/Marc+Emery

JCT: This man has a seriously foul mouth. Gutter language to
defend the Professewer of his Sewer Alan Young. He deleted
the Cannabisculture poll with the 26 votes I wanted to claim
as proxies at the convention, closed debate on his "wingnut"
attack on me, censored mine and others's posts at "his"
debate board, and just acted like a juvenile delinquent as
he gets ready for his run for the Mayor of Vancouver.

He should have never bad-mouthed the LETSers as "funny
money" advocates because his meetings will be fraught with
questioners on his anti-LETS economic policies and his pro-
censorship internet policies as well as his many foul-
mouthed quotes. Get out of the race, traitor, or get ready
to face a barrage of burning questions. And he won't be able
to ejaculate statements urging people to go masturbate
themselves or to kiss his ass, at which he seems to spend an
inordinate amount of time. He hasn't yet understood that a
politician gets only one strategic mistake and he committed
his when he backed Alan Young blocking my motion to
invalidate the law.

RL: Dana Larsen - editor of Cannabis Culture magazine
http://www.cannabisculture.com

JCT: I just wrote about the famous cannabis culture
celebrity in the Montreal Compassion Club case, Claude
Tessier, who testified that he didn't get a Paquette
exemption extension until June 6 and lived without
protection for a month. He didn't find out about the
Paquette victory that could save all exemptees facing expiry
because Dana Larsen used his editorial judgment to spike the
story.
So Claude Messier suffered a month because Dana spike the
story. Every other Cannabis Culture exemptee who doesn't yet
know about their bureaucratic salvation is suffering because
Dana spike the story.
And finally, Dana is the moderator of the
http://yahoogroups.com/group/marijuanapartyofcanada
where people who visit the marijuana of BC site are urged to
go join. Dana, the moderator, banned my posts once I started
complaining about Marc Emery.

RL: Ann McCormick - mother of Todd McCormick
http://www.mapinc.org/todd.htm who is the author of How To
Grow Medicine
http://www.drugsense.org/mcwilliams/www.growmedicine.com/

JCT: And the lady who pulled the plug on the
compassionatemoms list with no notice. So whatever it was
that Richard and the gang are so scared of, Ann was in on
getting rid of it.

RL: Renee Boje http://www.mapinc.org/renee.htm
http://www.reneeboje.com/

JCT: Again, all I did was opine that spending resources to
fly someone to Canada to help fete Renee was a waster. The
lady I only met once and have had no discourse with.

RL: Steven Bacon  http://www.mapinc.org/people/Steven+Bacon

JCT: Sure, Steven Bacon spread Alan Young's letter against
me all around the net. He seems in charge of the manure.
Came to steal the show from the medpot trio's attempt to
reclaim seized dope from the Dianne Bruce raid with a lousy
caricature a cop clubbing a cripple. Typical provocateur
ruining the moment. And he's either the clutz or the agent
who advised Dianne Bruce to violate their bail conditions so
they could make some press. Idiots.

RL: Gary Storck - webmaster and listmaster for both Is My
Medicine Legal YET?
http://www.immly.org and the Drug Policy Forum of Wisconsin
http://www.drugsense.org/dpfwi  -
http://www.mapinc.org/people/Gary+Storck

JCT: Never heard of him but, sadly, now I'll be wary of
anyone associate with Richard Lake or Alan Young.

RL: And others along with any group that they may be
associated with. Of course John will likely respond that he
doesn't even know some of these activists - perhaps so - but
that he showed a deep lack of respect for them is clear on
his own email list - even if he didn't recognize them by
their full names.

JCT: Oh, some of them have been tangling with me in
disguise. I know about the the Craftybitch masquerading as
celloperson to cause trouble on USENET, but I'll believe
Richard's allegation that there are others without "their
full names."
As if I could care about people who can't show their faces.

RL: My sin is questioning John after he failed to respect
all these good activists.

JCT: No, your sin is telling the world Alan Young had sound
reasons to block Turmel's motion to invalidate the law then
reneged on the promise to provide it. Your sin is making
statements then backing down from bets when challenged. Your
sin is opening your mouth in public then cowarding out of
the debate and yet trying to still give the world the
impression that you did not lose and that it's up to me to
ask the professor what he told you, not up to you no matter
how many times you promised the group and then disappointed.

RL: Second, that a few statements taken out of context from
private emails that may appear in a usenet forum represents
either the views of the thousands of volunteers or the board
of directors of the Media Awareness Project of DrugSense is
in fact just silly.

JCT: No, but you're a lot more than the volunteers or even
the board, aren't you? Aren't you one of the head moles?

RL: Of course any large group will have those who disagree
with it, for whatever reason.

JCT: And you have me who disagrees with you, not your large
group, about your unsportsmanlike conduct in making false
allegations you then can't back up and then running away to
make those same allegations elsewhere. If you're not a mole,
then you're certainly a boor.

RL: Is there anybody on this list that has never made a less
than wise statement in a private that looked bad when taken
out of context? For sure I have - probably more than a few
that have been public, too. How does making a fuss over the
small frictions within the cannabis reform community
contribute to the effort?

JCT: Which of your 50 less-than-wise statements that made
you look bad are you talking about? And sabotaging court
actions in Canada or the States isn't small friction. Sounds
like Richard's got the same kind of legal beagles in the
States as the one he supports in Canada.

RL: The DrugSense Mission Statement is clear and public
http://www.drugsense.org/mission.htm and the Board of
Dierectors easily accessable
http://www.drugsense.org/board.htm

JCT: Quick, someone get the list and warn me against these
people. If they're friends of Richard's, they're probably
about as enthusiastic about invalidating the law as Richard
and Alan Young are.

RL: Yes, DrugSense receives some large donations. The
donation thru MPP is significant, but not a majority of
their funding. It takes some funding to host - and create in
many cases - well over 50 websites and dozens of (no ads)
email lists with, as of today, 25,971 members. Take a look
at their site map to get a better idea of what they really
do http://www.drugsense.org/sitemap.htm IMHO Richard

JCT: Yes, take a good hard look at the people who are
financially connected to the same paymaster as Richard. That
might be the reason for the quick shut down. Remember many
are probably honest but keep in mind many are not. Sounds
like a narc who really did his job though. Almost 26,000 pro
marijuana people on Richard's lists. Hope I'm wrong about
him being a mole. Bet I'm right though.

RL: p.s. As far as I am concerned there is nothing more I
need to say. The facts speak for themselves.

JCT: Actually, you still need to say what you promised you
would say in the first place and then reneged on. "What good
came out of Alan Young sabotaging Parker's motion to
invalidate the law?"

Anyway, all the noise and the fighting has started others
asking questions. It must put the real narc moles in danger
of exposure even if I don't remember the last time I heard
of gun-play from Miami Vice raid on medpot farm. Too mellow
to resist.

Somehow, the funding of www.drugsense.org and www.mapinc.org
started to be discussed. Marc Paquette says he saw some
email from the compassionatemoms list about people
complaining something about the DEA and Richard's list. Of
course, I was banned from getting the compassionatemoms
correspondence so I don't know what it was about but here is
the final result.

They deleted http://yahoogroups.com/group/compassionatemoms
with all its archives. No comment. No warning. Just gone. A
group of 200 inter-mailing people and the whole network is
now gone and archives with it.

Anyway, seems like Richard Lake and his gang have done
something that had to be erased as quickly as they could and
that's why I'm taking the time to let the whole world take a
new closer look at www.mapinc.org and www.drugsense.org and
their funding sources. Let's shine the spotlight on why
Richard and gang support the Pork from York, Judas of the
Canadian medpot movement, the Dung named Young. Just getting
my rhymes ready for the inevitable rock opera.

When they kept defending Marc Emery saying "He's given so
much to so many different people and causes,' I'm thinking
"Okay, so his magazine covers as the paymaster." Who are
these people who Emery has supported, I'd like to stay away
from them.

So, is Richard more than the dunce at debate who was
regularly trounced by everyone he ever argued with? All I
can say is that the probability of someone being a mole is
always highest with someone at the top! Especially when the
original founder is gone.

Best example. Bible Bill Aberhart, probably the most
charismatic anti-debt-slavery Socred orator during the
Canadian Great Depression. They sent in Ernest Manning to
infiltrate. Once the province was stymied by the feds,
Aberhart eventually died out and Manning took over and
shelved the real monetary reform creed to lead the party
astray and was eventually made a Senator by the Feds. The
Socred Judas who forgot to hang himself. And his son Preston
Manning even took his swing at misleading a political party
for a decade or so. Here's the new leader of the new Reform
party, a former Socred, a guy who should have understood the
evil of interest and when I braced him on the subject, he
could only wince and shy away. Dad's a rat, junior's a
weasel.

All I say is that the government plants agents everywhere
and I don't blame them for planting agents everywhere so I
expect them to plant agents everywhere. I mean people ready
to do nothing forever as long as you stay off course but if
you ever veer into the right direction, an Alan Young will
pop up at the last moment to break your shot. And I still
consider the sacrifice of his career as the greatest
indication of the quality of the 5-Aces case I'd prepared
for Terry Parker on Mom's birthday, April 17 2002.

Don't believe in agents, consider the Globalization
Movement, the kids rioting in the streets over the the IMF-
World-Bank policies. These anti-poverty groups are all
organised out of Washington DC by a small group called "50
Years is Enough." So you would have thought they would have
been delighted at the Millennium Declaration passing Section
C6 for an interest-free UNILETS time-based currency since
they'd all heard about LETS from the workshop they had
hosted on it the preceding year. I attended and spoke. But
in the leadup to the big IMF-World bank demo in Washington,
instead of promoting the UNILETS anti-poverty resolution,
this small 3-man team at http://www.50years.org suppressed
every mention of the UNILETS. For details, see first 10
messages at <yahoogroups.com/group/a16-accommodations>

Why would people at the top of the anti-poverty
globalization movement suppress news of the international
implementation of the world's most successful local anti-
poverty system? But they did. Successfully. Check them out
at 50 Years Is Enough Network - 3628 12th St NE, Washington,
DC 20017 USA Tel: 202-IMF-BANK (202-463-2265)
E: 50years@...

So why shouldn't the controllers want to have their hand in
every reform movement that comes around? As Richard boasted,
millions of hits of people going to their site to find out
stuff on marijuana. Maybe tens of millions. But out of the
hundreds of millions in North American they could be
busting, they cull out the 90% who probably aren't as
interested in medpot because they never visited Richard's
site to look. The narcs first can concentrate on the 10% (30
million), actually 1% (3 million), who did visit his site!

Same with Marc Emery's Cannabis Culture database in Canada.
It helps the narcs eliminate the people they don't need to
be looking at and increasing the chance of focusing on the
people their databases show are interested in medpot.

Assume your TV and radio and home wiring have always been
two-way transmission devices and everything is known about
you, like I assume. Wouldn't you feel safer the sooner the
evil law is dead no matter how many exemptions you might
someday qualify for?

But someone somewhere hit a raw nerve to cause the vermin to
take flight. Curiouser and curiouser. Why was
http://yahoogroups.com/group/compassionatemoms destroyed.
Divine retribution for banning Turmel?


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: Whether we're trying to get the documents or the
doctors association statements in, when so many courts have
said that it contains important questions of public
interest, it's not right that it be adjudicated without the
maximum up-to-date information. And since Justice Beaudry
has been deliberating on it for the past month, while the
documentation for it was dismissed by another judge who
didn't think it would take any deliberation at all, we think
it's important the judge get it all so we're trying again.

Later this morning, I'll be serving and filing another Marc
Paquette motion to introduce the relevant documentation to
our case. Here it is:

Court File No. T-629-01
                FEDERAL COURT - TRIAL DIVISION
BETWEEN  The Applicant:  J.J. Marc Paquette
AND  The Respondent:  Attorney General of Canada
    APPLICATION UNDER Section 18(1) of the Federal Court Act
                         ----------------
                         NOTICE OF MOTION
                         ----------------
      TAKE NOTICE THAT on a date and at a time to be fixed by
the Court on June 26 2002 or thereafter , Applicant will
make a motion by telephone to Justice Beaudry for an Order
granting leave for both parties to file up-to-date
documentation related to the issues at bar.
      THE GROUNDS FOR THE MOTION ARE that these documents are
crucial for the Court's up-to-date understanding of the
facts if these life-and-death issues of national importance
in clarifying the framework of the Marijuana Medical Access
Regulations is to be best had.
      AND FOR any Order abridging the time for service,
filing, or hearing of the motion, or amending any defect as
to form or content of the motion or any Order deemed just.
Dated at Hawkesbury on June 20 2002
____________________________________
For the Applicant  J.J. Marc Paquette, Applicant
A-162 Atlantic Ave, Hawkesbury, Ontario, K6A 1V5
Tel: 613.636.2177 Fax: 613.632.2334

                      -----------------------
                      WRITTEN REPRESENTATIONS
                      -----------------------

1.   On July 4 2001, one month before the promulgation of
the new MMAR legislation Respondent argues makes Applicant's
judicial review herein moot, Crown Alain Prefontaine wrote a
letter to the court administrator in T-1832-00 Jean Charles
Pariseau v. Health Canada requesting a live hearing of the
judicial review. In it he stated:

2.   Monsieur Pariseau est l'une des premieres personnes
exemptees par le Ministre de la Sante en vertu de l'article
56 de la "Loi reglementant certaines drogues et autres
substances." Il conteste les conditions imposees par le
Ministre dans la seconde lettre d'exemption emise le 9 juin
2000. A notre connaissance, il s'agit de la premiere
contestation du genre. D'autres exemptes ont deja saisi la
Cour de leurs griefs. L'affaire souleve d'importantes
questions d'interet public. Le requerant se represente. Il
est donc opportun de tenir une audition afin, entre autres,
de me premettre de repondre aux questions de la Cour. Alain
Prefontaine

2b.  (Mr. Pariseau is one of the first persons to be
exempted by the Minister of Health pursuant to section 56 of
the "Law regulating certain drugs and other substances." He
contests the conditions imposed by the Minister in the
second letter of exemption issued June 9 2000. To our
knowledge, this is the first fight of its kind. Other
exemptees have already seized the Court of their griefs. The
case raises important questions of public interest. The
Applicant is representing himself. It is thus opportune to
hold a hearing in order to, among other things, permit me to
answer the questions of the Court.) Alain Prefontaine

3. On July 10 2001, Justice Tremblay-Lamer issued a
direction stating:

"The present matter is raising important questions of public
interest that should be the subject of an oral hearing."
Daniele Tremblay-Lamer, JUDGE

4.   On Sep 30, 2001, the Attorney General filed their
Respondent's Application Record herein.

5.   On Oct 11 2001, Applicant filed the Requisition for
Hearing. Court backlogs prevented the hearing of the
judicial review.

6.   On Feb 25 2002 was filed an affidavit with Exhibit A,
the copy of the Ontario Medical Association's web page
http://www.oma.org/pcomm/omr/dec/01marijuana.htm from the
December 2001 Ontario Medical Review with a letter to Health
Minister Allan Rock by the President, Dr. Kenneth Sky,
decrying the near impossibility of finding extra specialists
and recommending that their members not comply with the
documentation demands. It was dated November 22 2001!

7.   On Feb 27 2002, two days later, Health Canada
promulgated the "Application for an Additional Extension of
Exemption for the Purpose of Transition to the MMAR" thus
creating, a two-system framework with the old Section 56
access regulations still co-existing side-by-side with the
new unworkable MMAR even though Health Minister McLellan had
previously informed Applicant on Feb 7 that there were no old
Section 56 exemption extensions possible.

8.   On March 8 2002, Justice Francois Lemieux granted a
motion to expedite the hearing to May 13 2002 on the
grounds:

"considerant la lettre du 27 fevrier 2002 de Sante-Canada au
requerant; considerant qu'il est dans l'interet publique que
le cadre reglementaire concernant l'acces a la marijuana a
des fins medicales soit clarifie."

(considering the Feb 27 2002 Health Canada letter to
Applicant; considering that it is in the public interest
that the regulatory framework concerning access to marijuana
for medical purposes be clarified.")

9.   On March 15, upon presentation of the OMA letter,
Ontario Superior Court Justice Pitt extended the
constitutional extension granted to Terry Parker by the
Ontario Court of Appeal "until the government has complied
with the ruling of the court."

10. On March 26, Respondent sought leave to file the
transcription of the testimony of Denise Beaudoin, given on
28 November 2001 during the trial of Raymond Turmel before
the Cour Superieur du Quebec, Chambre criminelle, Exhibit
"A" to the affidavit of Guy Pinsonnault, as a supplementary
record to be filed within 10 days of the Order to be issued.

11.  On March 21, given the importance accorded the opinion
of the OMA president in all this and recent jurisprudence on
the issues, Applicant sought leave of the Court to file this
appendix as Applicant's Application Record Part II with:
letters from:

- three doctors' association:
1- May 3 letter of College des Medecins du Qu Lamontagne
2- September 2001 CMQ bulletin
3- Oct 2001 Can.Med.Prot.Assoc Information sheet
4- Nov 8 letter by John Gray, Director CMPA
5- Nov 22 letter of OMA president Ken Sky Exhibit

- ongoing Health Canada correspondence and new jurisprudence
6- Jan 23 2002 letter of Cindy Cripps-Prawak
7- Feb 1 letter of Dr. Gagne
8- Feb 7 response of Health Minister Anne McLellan
9- Feb 27 letter of Cripps-Prawak with first Extension Form
10- Mar 8 decision of Justice Francois Lemieux
11- Feb 18 Affidavit of Terry Parker
12- Mar 15 Judgment of Justice Romain Pitt.
13- Nov. 1 2001 letter of Jody Gomber on home grow only
14- the full transcript introduced by the Crown from the
jury trial of Ray Turmel.

12.  On May 1 2002, Prothonotary Richard Morneau permitted
the introduction of the trial transcript excerpt but refused
to the inclusion of the Applicant's documentation.

13.  On May 9 2002, though Applicant's judicial review
subsumes all of the "important questions of public interest"
raised by Pariseau and more, Judge Tremblay-Lamer, in
dismissing the appeal, ruled that the new Marihuana Medical
Access Regulations made moot any unnecessary  need for
documentation related to conditions under the old regime
unaware that the old Section 56 regulatory framework had
been extended alongside the new MMAR since Feb 27.

14.  Had Applicant not received the Feb 27 extension, thus
also extending the life of the old regulatory regime, Crown
could have argued it would have meant that discussion of
old-regime conditions is moot; but not once the old-regime
lived on with no foreseeable end given the almost
impossibility of complying under the new regime and relative
ease of extending Section 56 exemptions under the old
regime. With the continuation of the old Section 56 regime
and the conditions Applicant must live under, the
documentation has not been mooted and is necessary.

15.  On May 13 2002, the Montreal Compassion Club case of R.
v. St-Maurice and Neron, reopened by Judge Cadieux to accept
affidavit evidence including the College des Medecins du
Quebec bulletin referred to herein. Doctors' opinions are
relevant on the workability of the legislation.

16.  Not only does the Gomber Affidavit herein attest that
Health Canada never intended to improve access, only to
improve the transparency of the access process, but the
actual equations contained right in the new MMAR legislation
show a deliberate attempt to complicate and obfuscate the
process by which Canadians and their doctors can access
medical marijuana.
Affidavit of Gomber Aug. 16 2001 Tab C Page 1340

17.  The Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, June 14 2001
Marihuana Medical Access Regulations for Maximum Number of
Plants:

Section 30(1): Definitions:
"D" is the maximum number of plants;
"A" is daily dosage in grams;
"C" is a constant equal to 1,
"B" is yield per plant: B=30 gms indoor; B=250 gms outdoor.

18.  Section 30(2): (a) Indoor production:

D = [ (A x 365.0) / (B x 3C) ] x 1.2

19.  But the C and B aren't variables, they're constants!
They should have been substituted and worked out. And just
as multiplying by 1 changes nothing, so too, multiplying by
C when C=1 also changes nothing; though including them does
complicate and obfuscate. How 1.2 helps compute indoor
plants is a mystery.

20.  Working down all equations to more basic forms by first
replacing all the Constants C=1 and B=30:

D = [ (A x 365) / (B x 3 x C) ] x 1.2
D = [ (A x 365) / (30 x 3 x 1) ] x 1.2
D = A x (365/90)x1.2
D = A x 4.87
D = A x 5.
For indoor production, instead of writing that each gram
needs "5 plants" they wrote: each gram needs "365 times 1.2
divided by B which is 30 divided by 3C where C is 1."

21.  Section 30(2): (b) Outdoor production:

D = [ (A x 365.0) / (B x C) ] x 1.3
D = [ (A x 365) / (250  x 1) ] x 1.3
D = A x (365/250)x1.3
D = A x 1.89 about
D = A x 2
For outdoor production, instead of writing that each gram
needs "2 plants" they wrote: each gram needs "365 times 1.3
divided by B which is 250 divided by C where C is 1."

22.  Without following the algebraic derivation, one must
only remember that when you open the new MMAR legislation to
figure out how many plants your prescription calls for,
- instead of figuring "for indoors multiply dosage by 5" you
get to figure "multiply dosage by ([365/(Bx3C)]x1.2);"
- instead of figuring "for outdoors "multiply dosage by 2"
you get to figure "multiply dosage by [365/(BxC)]x1.3".

23.  Passing off two extra constants as variables, making
them do three multiplications with a needless division
thrown in when it could all be reduced down to one
multiplication by 5 or 2 has no other other purpose than to
corruptly make complex what could be simple for the doctors
and patients dying to get this medicine.

24.  It is evident Health Canada had no intention to make
access easier and by its own legislation, did have intention
to make access harder, thus vindicating Justice Pitt in
their failure to comply with the Order of the Court of
Appeal to make access to necessary marijuana for Terry
Parker so.

25.  This is the reason for the application for an Order
declaring the prohibition of marijuana in the Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act to be of no force and effect upon
the evidence that the odds of the Applicant dying in
prohibitionist Canada are greater than the odds of dying in
Abolitionist Netherlands thus confirming that prohibition of
medpot is a violation of Section 318.2.b of the Criminal
Code that prohibits "inflicting on the group conditions of
life calculated to bring about its physical destruction" as
"genocide."
26.  This court, having been apprised of the existence of
the dual system by the admission of the Crown, is now in a
far better position to judge whether the documents dealing
with the old regulations dismissed as no use are in reality
useful to the deliberations issues raised concerning those
still "not mooted" regulations in this Application. Given
the issue is genocide of the sick by prohibition of
medicine, no documentation the Applicant thinks may be
relevant should be ignored, especially when it is already in
the file, if not the record.

27. Discussion of the conditions imposed by the old rules is
not moot and Applicant thinks the documentation is important
to this case of life-and-death. Given the national
importance accorded the issues in question by Federal
Courts, Ontario Superior Courts, Quebec Superior Courts, the
expediting of the hearing by Justice Lemieux, how can the
court not take into consideration the opinions of the
doctors and jurisprudence now made possible by the court
backlogs?

ORDER SOUGHT:

Applicant seeks an Order granting leave for parties to enter
the up-to-date documentation related to the life-and-death
issues at bar.

Dated at Hawkesbury on Thursday June 20, 2002
For the Applicant  J.J. Marc Paquette, Applicant
A-162 Atlantic Ave, Hawkesbury, Ontario, K6A 1V5
Tel: 613.636.2177 Fax: 613.632.2334

JCT: What have we got to lose? Given the importance of the
issue, how can any documentation be deemed so irrelevant as
to merit such dismissal?


--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: Johnny Dupuis, medpot.net's most famous outlaw grower,
made the news yesterday in Ottawa's French daily Le Droit
titled "Complaint against Health Canada for refusal of
assistance." He and his wife Nicole Massicotte have been
trying to get an exemptions for over 2 years. See:
http://www.medpot.net/jddocs.htm

Johnny was stalled with the demand for a psychiatric
evaluation for the stabbing to his liver, lungs and throat
which became the reason for his ongoing Section 18 Federal
Court judicial review. His case is perfected and we're only
waiting for a date.

Nicole, who has a medical history full of operations and
illnesses, had the exemption for her doctor's prescription
overruled by Cindy Cripps-Prawak and her judicial review is
ongoing.

Johnny Dupuis is the first to get a lawyer to argue his
Federal Court judicial review paid for with the Legal Aid
Justice Blais arranged for them the last time the all
appeared with Paquette trying to get in on his date. He said
they needed a lawyer and called legal aid to get them one.
Rare for a civil case though. But won't be rare for long.
Nicole and Denise Beaudoin will both be needing the same
thing.

Le Droit, Regis Bouchard
PLAINTE CONTRE SANTE CANADA POUR REFUS D'ASSISTANCE
COMPLAINT AGAINST HEALTH CANADA FOR REFUSAL TO ASSIST

En attente depuis plus de deux ans d'une exemption de la
part de Sante Canada pour leur permettre de consommer de la
marijuana a des fins medicales, Johnny Dupuis et son epouse
Nicole ont choisi les tribunaux pour faire avancer leur
cause. Le couple de Duhamel s'est presente mercredi dans les
bureaux de la Surete du Quebec a Papineauville afin de
deposer une plainte contre Sante Canada en invoquent le
refus de porter assistance a des personnes malades, mettant
ainsi en danger leur security et leur sante.

jct: After waiting more than two years for an exemption by
Health Canada to consume marijuana for medical purposes,
Johnny Dupuis and his wife Nicole have chosen the courts to
push their cause. The Duhamel couple sent to the
Papineauville police station Wednesday to lay a complaint
against Health Canada on the grounds they refused to afford
assistance to sick people, thus putting their health and
security in danger.

Dans une entrevue au Droit Johnny Dupuis, qui souffre des
sequelles d'une violente agression armee survenue il y a une
quinzaine d'annees, a explique avoir choisi de poursuivre la
bataille sur un autre front contre Sante Canada, qui a
rejete sa demande d'exemption (et celle de sa femme),
pretextant que son dossier devrait renfermer une evaluation
psychiatrique. <<Mon epouse est aujourd'hui dans une chaise
roulantes>> soubligne M. Dupuis.

jct: In an interview with Le Droit, Johnny Dupuis, who
suffers the after-effects of a violent assault fifteen years
ago, explained having chosen another battle on another front
against Health Canada that rejected his (and his wife's)
demand for an exemption on the pretext his file needed an
psychiatric evaluation. <<My wife is now in a wheel-chair>>
notes Mr. Dupuis

Sa conjointe attend elle aussi l'autorisationn de Sante
Canada, qui refuse d'approuver la demande d'exemption pour
des technicalites. Selon Johnny Dupuis, Sante Canada
s'entete a rendre de plus en plus difficiles les demarches
visant a obtenir cette exemption. <<Nous n'en pouvous plus>>
a declare M. Dupuis, qui dit avoir recu un accueil poli de
la part des policiers qui ont toutefois prefer attendre
avant de lui donner la possibilite de presenter une
declaration ecrite. <<Ils (les policiers) m'ont dit qu'il
devrait y avoir enquete et que des informations devaient
etre prises aupres de certaines personnes avant de donner
suite a notre plainte officielles, a declare M. Dupuis.

jct: His wife is also awaiting permission from Health Canada
which refuses to approve the request for an exemption on
technicalities. According to Johnny Dupuis, Health Canada
has it in its head to make the exemption process harder.
<<We can't take anymore>> declared Mr. Dupuis, who says he
got a polite reception from the police who nevertheless
preferred to wait to give him the chance to present a
written statement. <<They (the police) told me there would
have to be an investigation and information collected about
certain people before proceeding to the official complaint>>
said Mr. Dupuis.

JCT: Not getting an exemption is certainly bugging Johnny.
During this year's Million Man Marijuana March in Ottawa, he
was one of the speakers on Parliament Hill and got so
carried away with urging people to stand up, go on offence,
fight that he pulled out a bag of grass from his medpot
tote-bag and waved it in front of the crowd.

After he'd finished, he found out that the RCMP were going
to bust the bag so he made sure to give it to Don Appleby
who does have an exemption for the bust. They did take Don
into custody but eventually had to let him go.

Health Canada better get their asses out of neutral. Who
knows what mover their inaction will drive him to try next?



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

Le Droit (Ottawa) by Regis Bouchard
Le <<guerrier du pot>> compte reprendre sa liberte des la
semaine prochaine
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/droit/

JCT: This electrical engineer couldn't find it at the site.

Ottawa Citizen by Citizen Staff
Marijuana "Warrior" gets 18 months
http://www.canada.com/ottawa/

JCT: This electrical engineer couldn't find it at the site
either. Both stories are longer than the next one in the
Ottawa Sun which I will post. Maybe I'll have time to
transcribe and translate the others in a few days.

Ottawa Sun
Pot 'warrior' off to jail
June 22, 2002
http://www.canoe.ca/OttawaNews/04n3.html

By CAROLINE PHILLIPS -- Ottawa Sun
  A marijuana activist who said he grew pot for medicinal
purposes was sent to jail yesterday after the judge decided
the Gatineau man would continue breaking the law otherwise.
  Raymond Turmel, 49, was convicted last December of
cultivation and of possession for the purposes of
trafficking.
  He was sentenced to 18 months in jail after Justice Jean-
Pierre Plouffe rejected Turmel's request to serve the time
in the community.
  "This is a war to legalize marijuana and I'm one of the
warriors," Turmel told reporters during his final moments as
a free man.
  Police busted Turmel's rented Hull apartment in July 2000,
uncovering a large, sophisticated hydroponic operation and
about 600 young and maturing plants.
  CELLPHONE, PAGER
  Turmel claimed the pot was being given to help chronically
sick friends and family cope with their pain.
  But the court determined some of the weed was being sold
for profit. A cellphone, pager and electronic scale were
found inside the apartment. At maturation, the plants would
have produced nearly 16 kg of pot.
  Crown prosecutor Anouk Desaulniers said there's nothing
wrong with fighting for a cause, but that Turmel was
undermining society's trust through his actions.
  "When somebody like Mr. Turmel takes it into his own hands
to distribute to whomever he wants to, whenever and how much
he decides, then he is undermining this very system," she
said.
  Turmel's record also included a 1992 conviction for
possession of cocaine for the purpose of trafficking.
===

JCT: I certainly hope we are undermining the very system
that has killed at least 94 people prematurely.

The cause is legalizing marijuana for sick people and I
don't see how it is undermining society's trust to be then
caught growing marijuana for sick people.

And there's a good chance none of this would have happened
if the judicial Judas Alan Young had not sabotaged Parker's
motion to invalidate the law on April 17 2002 that he also
argues is not valid.

Of course, the other victims of prohibition are those who
are not going to have to take over Ray's role in helping
cope with her illnesses. Me, my aging mother, family,
friends, not have to shoulder those burdens. Driving her to
the doctor, filling her prescriptions, Just Justice Plouffe
protecting society from Ray Turmel doing "it" to harm
society again.

At the rate of 8 extra dormants a month, that should be
about five dozen more dead people since Ray had his shot at
invalidating the law and the judge accepted the probability
of danger from marijuana after refusing to hear a
probabilities expert keep him from making his elementary
mistakes. Twice, he refused the let the math expert testify
that the odds of dying in Prohibitionist Canada are higher
than in Abolitionist Holland, and then he relied on his
statistical expertise, little, to determine that the
probability of danger from using marijuana justified its
prohibition. On the probability that the probability expert
was trying to explain to him what was wrong.

I always joke about judges who can "fail to see" anything by
simply closing their eyes. This didn't happen here. He
failed to see how prohibition kills because he didn't let a
mathematical expert correct his erroneous math. Now, there
are a bunch of new dead guys who wouldn't have been dead if
Justice Plouffe had invalidated the law way back in
November.

What's interesting is that I've explained how the K-slabs in
the Death curve work at the end of my
<http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm> but where
their numbers were much higher.

At the time, a trio of justices including Chief Justice Bora
Laskin heard the genocide indictment of the interest rate
software in the banks' computers and that getting credit to
buy food could save the 17 million children dying every
year. 20 years after refusing the reprogram the banks
genocidal computers to eliminate the growth of debt, that's
340 million dead babies Bora's responsible for losing that
could have been saved.

Similarly, Ron St-Denis could have been saved but Health
Canada's successful delay caused by making him find more
doctors forced his virus count to reach "death within-a-
year" and qualify for his exemption now that it's too late.

I'm sure we'll find a lot more like Ron St. Denis who died
but would have lived had Justice Plouffe accepted to hear
the mathematical testimony that prohibition kills and had
invalidated the law way back in November. And even though
these numbers pale beside the numbers of the judges who
could have saved hundreds of millions from poverty and did
not, it's still genocide whether the judge is good at math
or not. And those many new corpses can never be unlost.

Sad but getting such a K-slab of people one is responsible
for not helping save when they could have been saved is the
inevitable result for everyone who ever got in my way of
abolishing interest rate usury or marijuana prohibition.

There are those who see the genocide by usury and who don't
appreciate its lesser cousin by prohibition. There are those
who see the genocide of prohibition but not of usury.

The Engineer doesn't spend time on ills that aren't killing
us. I don't spend political time on how we rule ourselves, I
spend all my time on how we save ourselves.

So what national medpot story did bump Ray's sentencing at
<http://www.canada.com/ottawa/> It's another good one with a
happy loser theme rather than an unhappy loser one.


Canadian Press
Ailing Saskatchewan man has sentence for using marijuana
reduced
Friday, June 21, 2002

REGINA (CP) - An ailing man convicted of drug charges for
using marijuana for health reasons has won a victory in
Saskatchewan's highest court.

The Court of Appeal has reduced Barry Neil Malanchuk's
sentence to the five months he has already served under a
form of house arrest. "It was a fair decision under the
circumstances,' Malanchuk said Friday. Malanchuk, 41, has
diabetes, glaucoma, kidney disease, heart disease and other
maladies, but he says smoking marijuana helps ease his
symptoms. In August 2000, the RCMP charged him after finding
eight full-grown marijuana plants inside his house and a
number of smaller plants outside in his garden.

In January, 2002, following a three-day trial, Malanchuk was
found guilty of possession of marijuana, possession of
cannabis resin and production of cannabis for personal use.

He received a 15-month conditional sentence, which banned
him from using marijuana and restricted movement from his
home.

However, on May 9 Health Canada issued him a medical
exemption allowing him to produce and possess marijuana.

Malanchuk, of Lloydminster, said the legal battle has taken
a lot out of him - he suffered a heart attack a few weeks
before his May appeal court appearance.
c Copyright  2002 The Canadian Press

JCT: Final note, as the first judge with the power to have
struck down the law and who did not on the Parker Question,
I must hold Justice Plouffe responsible for this person's
five months of agony. Another hidden victim.

See how the K-slab equation of responsibility works?

Why do you think I work with an engineer's diligence. I know
what's at stake and I can't plead mathematical weakness.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

k-wtakethecapital@..., nbloch@..., mandy@...,
msysiuk@..., pcu@..., asauer@...,

JCT: As the granddaddy of anti-IMF-World-Bank protestors, I
have never had to obstruct or impede because I offer an
alternative. I explained the difference between my protest-
instruction and the protest-obstruction of those with no
alternatives to offer at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turmel/message/654
In my reform activities, I've discovered that there are
people at the top of most reform movements who, while
seeming to appear useful, really act as bellwethers leading
the flock to false goals and getting the movement to waste
time on useless endeavors.

It's just like I've found in the abolish marijuana
prohibition movement. Traitorous bellwethers at the top
leading the sheeple to waste their time. Lawyers like Alan
Young making motions in the wrong courts or making motions
that gain nothing, political party bellwethers like Boris
St-Maurice refusing to permit democratic control or party
tax credit status, and editorial bellwethers like Marc Emery
supporting both in their dirty deeds. Throw in Alison
Myrden, Richard Lake, Steve Emery, Dana Larsen, and almost
the whole of the Canadian marijuana "abolitionist" movement
are rats betraying the cause.

I've already mentioned rats in the the anti-poverty
globalisation movement being led from the Washington by the
50 Years is Enough (www.50years.org) bankers' agents who
suppressed every mention of the peaceful LETS anti-poverty
alternative to urge protestors to bring their gas masks and
combat boots to demonstrations I wanted to turn into
festivals of liberation.

I'm sure we'll be hearing from new judas goats urging us to
fight for things that result in no gain, to fight for
ambiguous ideals that mean nothing, and to generally keep it
to talk with no action other than vandalism. I expect to
find the ideas here will offer no solution with the usual
suggestive exhortations to violence as their only
alternative. So, on with the latest G8 anti-poverty protest
show:

>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:54:57 -0400
>From: nbloch@... ("Nadine Bloch")
>Subject: [mgj-discuss] ideas for Fall WDC from Ottawa....
>To: mgj-discuss@...

JCT: First, this is not a critique of Nadine Bloch. Thanks
Nadine for sending us this information I am now going to
criticize. Nothing personal, only instructive.

NB: TUESDAY JUNE 25, 2002
*** G8 HIGHWAY BLOCKADES ***
Highways Everywhere En Route to Ottawa...
Across Ontario communities are organizing Highway Caravans
that will slow the speed of traffic on the Hwy. 401 to its
posted minimum. Caravans of vehicles from just a couple to a
whole fleet will drive together onto the Hwy 401, move into
both or all lanes, and gradually slow down. Help bring the
economy back under our own control. Grab on tight and slow
down. Join us on the highways and in Ottawa in June as we
take the capital!

JCT: Helping slow down traffic won't help bring the economy
under control. Making drivers angry won't either. Getting
people steamed so they notice your beef, as you offer no
alternative, is no advantage. Let's say you did engage some
truck driver's attention and he agreed with you that things
are bad and something must be done. When he asks you what
you have to offer, what you do you say you have to offer as
an alternative? I'm tired of the media laughing at anti-bank
protestors who have no alternative banking system to offer.
When you've got nothing tangible to offer, there's nothing
but symbolism. What good is slowing down traffic going to do
for the anti-poverty movement? Nothing. Maybe they've got
something else useful coming up.

NB: The G8 Highway Blockades are an Ontario Common Front
action. Get in touch to organize or co-ordinate a caravan
from your area: In Kingston or for co-ordination info: (613)
531-3428 or pcu@.... Peterborough:
asauer@.... Guelph: mandy@.... Kitchener-Waterloo:
k-wtakethecapital@...

*** Evening ACTION SPOKESCOUNCIL ***
--> Somewhere in Ottawa (Location TBA) --> 6 PM
(Up-to-date information will be available at the Welcome
Center.)

JCT: You can bet I'll be there.

NB: WEDNESDAY JUNE 26, 2002
*** SNAKE MARCHES ***
Take the Capital!
Disrupt the political operation of the G8 in its Canadian HQ

JCT: Not once in my demonstrations trying to promote an
alternative anti-poverty LETS system have I ever had to
disrupt anyone. Maybe that's why all my posts encouraging
people to support the non-violent promotion of an
alternative money system rather than violent reaction
against the present one never got past the www.50years.org
censors in Washington DC before the Millennium Assembly. See
http://yahoogroups.com/group/a16-accommodations/messages/1
about their censorship. As well, when we started
communicating with each other, they erased everyone's email
addresses and many web sites so everyone would have to use
the listserv that they could then use to censor my UNILETS
posts! It's true and it's amazing!

NB: Leave your mark on Ottawa!

JCT: I'm an Ottawa boy and I've been protesting there for
almost a quarter of a century and the only mark I ever left
was on their memories. I don't want you leaving your mark
anywhere else on my home town too.

NB: ---> A Snake March will leave from Dundonald Park
(Somerset and Lyon, across from the Beer Store) at 12 PM
---> A second Snake March will leave from Confederation
Square (The War Memorial at Wellington and Elgin) at 1 PM.
(The starting point of each march is subject to last-minute
change. Check for up-to-date information about the starting
point on-line at http://www.takethecapital.net and at the
Welcome Center upon your arrival in Ottawa on June 25 or
26.) Both marches will be action-oriented, and will re-
decorate the bureaucratic core of the city with colorful and
creative symbols of resistance as they slide through Ottawa.

JCT: If "redecorate the bureaucratic core" is your code
words for defacing my home town, if "action-oriented" means
the same thing, then I think you should be held responsible
for instigating and abetting the trouble you foment. That's
another reason I'd like your names in public, so the police
can know who to charge if some crime happens in my town at
your instigation. I'll be there with an alternative and I'd
rather that you people with no alternatives to offer would
get out of my way.

NB: For more information: takethecapital@...

JCT: I don't want you taking my capital and leaving your
mark on it. You should spend your time looking for an
alternative before showing up to offer your opinion in the
Grandfather of Globalization Protestors' home town.

NB: *** CHILL ZONE ***
---> Starting at 1PM and continuing throughout the days of
protest. Dundonald Park (Somerset and Lyon, across from the
Beer Store)
At mid-day on June 26, Dundonald Park will be reclaimed to
offer a public, chill and festive space in which radical
anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist opposition to the G8
can be expressed and articulated in eight thousand creative
and artistic ways over the course of the two days of
protest.

JCT: Sure I'm anti-imperialism but I like capitalism. What
you earn is what you keep. I like communistic capitalism
where everybody gets to play and be a capitalist. It's
monopoly capitalism I don't like where only rich kids born
with collateral can get a loan to get in the game. I like
sociable capitalism with a sociable credit system, not cut-
throat anti-sociable capitalism of the anti-social credit
system not afflicting us. Capitalism under interest-rate
debt slavery is not the same as capitalism under interest-
free debt liberation. Learn the difference and you may give
up your gas masks and combat boots for a diskette with the
LETS liberation software. Of course, not knowing the
difference may be another reason they don't have any
alternatives to offer like those of us who do know the
difference.

NB: The Chill Zone will also be established as the permanent
food-serving site of a number of notorious food collectives
on June 26 & 27. All protesters are asked to respect the
chill and festive nature of the zone.
---> If you want to perform, distribute materials &
propaganda, play music, organize workshops or contribute to
the zone in any other colorful way, please get in touch with
us by emailing at takethecapital@... or by phone at 613-
788-3310. <---

JCT: Okay. I'll bring my accordion to accompany my 700
verses of anti-bank poetry. Let's turn it into a festival to
celebrate the debt liberation that UNILETS can bring rather
than excoriate the debt slavery that the present system has
brought.

NB: "TAKE THE CAPITAL!"
A CALL TO ACTION AGAINST THE G8
OTTAWA, CANADUH -- JUNE 26-27, 2002

JCT: When I visited the site, I notice one of their pictures
is of the defacement of the Bank of Canada I noticed at the
last G8 in Washington last autumn which said:

"What better place than here? What better time than now?"

JCT: What better place than here to do what? What better
time than now to do what? Before demanding the time and
place to do "what," how about knowing what the "what" is you
want to do?

NB: This coming June 26-27, the executive board of global
capitalism is retreating to the foothills of Alberta,
Canada. Jean Chretien, George W. Bush, Tony Blair and the
other so-called leaders of the industrialized world continue
planning for war at home and abroad, surrounded by pristine
wilderness, putting greens, and thousands of police and
soldiers.
The self-serving "war on terrorism", orchestrated by the
leaders of the G8, continues to militarize and brutalize the
world, while cynically making appeals to civilization and
freedom. From Afghanistan to Colombia, from the Philippines
to Somalia, Western powers continue to exercise their self-
proclaimed right to dominate and determine the destiny of
the global South at an ever more accelerated pace.
The war also continues at home. All levels of government, in
particular the far-right governments in British Columbia,
Alberta and Ontario, unabashedly pursue economic policies at
the service of big business, contributing to poverty,
environmental destruction, social service cutbacks and more.
Their arsenal ranges from privatization schemes to well-
armed tactical police units. The agenda of capitalist
globalization -- embodied by institutions and treaties like
the IMF, World Bank, WTO, NAFTA, FTAA and G8 -- is the
relentless transfer of power and wealth to the economic and
political elites of Canada.
In particular, the war at home includes the scapegoating and
attacks on immigrant and refugee communities, as well as so-
called "anti-terrorist" laws that are nothing but a judicial
assault on civil rights and political organizing, with clear
racist implications.
Last July, hundreds of thousands of demonstrators gathered
in Genoa, Italy against the G8, and were met with state-
sponsored police brutality that included the murder of
activist Carlo Giuliani. The Genoa protests were accompanied
by protests worldwide in opposition to the agenda of the G8.
The global uprising is led by grassroots movements in the
global South. The recent popular rebellions in Argentina,
Ecuador and Bolivia stand out as inspiring and empowering
examples and models of resistance to imperialism and
capitalism, in the face of violent day-to-day state
repression.
And so, in clear opposition to the G8, in solidarity with
protests in Alberta and worldwide, and in ongoing support of
local and regional grassroots social justice efforts,
activists from Ontario and Quebec are making a call for two
days of action in Ottawa -- Canada's national capital -- on
June 26-27, 2002.
We invite all organizations, affinity groups and individuals
in Ontario, Quebec, the Maritimes and the Northeastern
United States to join themobilizing, organizing and
awareness-raising efforts for the days of action in Ottawa.

JCT: Who are you? Who is running the show? I know those
running the anti-bank show in the States are rats. You may
not be but I would like to know who is setting the agenda so
we know who to blame.

NB: The two days of protest will involve demonstrations of
all kinds, popular education, civil disobedience and direct
action, targeting the many manifestations of political and
economic power of the national capital. We are organizing on
the basis of a respect for a diversity of tactics, meaning
manifold forms of resistance in mutual solidarity and
respect, while aiming to ensure the safety and defense of
all participants.

JCT: What kind of civil disobedience and direct action are
you promoting? I've never needed it in my 23 years of anti-
bank protesting? Why do you need it? Oh, yeah, you have no
alternative to make news with, may as well make news
breaking something.

NB: Join us in Ottawa in June as we take the capital!

JCT: I wish you didn't use such martial expressions. It
sounds so much like the 50years.org gang urging everyone to
violence though you haven't yet suppressed the happy
alternative like they did. And not much chance in my home
town like they did in their home country.

NB: For more info, or to get involved: takethecapital@...
http://www.takethecapital.net 613-788-3310 (messages only)
If your affinity group or organization endorses the callout
above, please let us know.

JCT: Lots of talk about disrupting and marking the city,
nothing much on an alternative. And we know the speakers at
the these things are all experts in what is wrong and not a
one is ever an expert on what is right. It's always the same
old story. See my last year's G8 report at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/turmel/message/849

So I went looking for other info:

>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:04:29 +0000
>From: msysiuk@... ("mike sysiuk")
>Subject: [mgj-discuss] Fall Call to Action
>To: mgj-discuss@...

MS: Hey folks, Here's the call to action that has been
worked on over the past week or so by a handful of people.

JCT: What? Do they work out a new one every time? Don't they
base on past work? Not if they're bellwethers for the banks.

MS: I suspect there will be some modification of the text
for reasons that became apparent while discussing the
content of the Call. [Please go to the end of the call to
see where I've attempted to characterize the debate about
the content] Apologies about getting this out so late but
I've been suffering from a brutal case of poison ivy. Mike

JCT: It would be real nice to know who the people drafting
our Action Statements are.

MS: ***** Call to Action
Preliminary call to action by the Mobilization for Global
Justice Resist the IMF/WB policies and military apparatus
and help create a space for dissent Washington D.C.,
Sept./Oct., 2002
Come demonstrate, dance, make music, and resist with tens of
thousands of people in the streets of Washington D.C. to
denounce the exploitative and unsustainable policies of the
International Monetary Fund and World Bank. This will be a
major mobilization where success will be determined by the
breadth of our presence and the depth of our coalition.
Please forward this call to individuals and organizations
concerned with the injustice of concentrated wealth,
exploitation of labor, militarism and criminal neglect for
the earth and living creatures.
Schedule of associated IMF/WB meetings and approximate dates
of protests and educational events surrounding the meetings
of 9/28 through 10/4.
Sat. Sept. 28: G7 Finance Ministers meeting and the G24
(larger developing countries)
Sun. Sept 29: International Monetary & Financial Committee
Mon. Sept 30: Joint Development Committee of the IMF/WB
Tues. Oct. 1 & 2: Official Meetings

JCT: First, let it be known that I'll not be visiting Bush's
Amerika while he retains the right to execute people in
secret. So forget much international participation in the
States while people opposing the Establishment can be
executed by Dubya without ever letting anyone know. What's
amazing is that no one has yet asked how many he's executed
in secret so far. But I'm staying out of Amerika until the
dictator police state is not again.

MS: Demands of the Mobilization for Global Justice
We demand that the World Bank and International Monetary
Fund:

Open all World Bank and IMF meetings to the media and the
public.

JCT: This is their big one? This is the big policy to help
the world? Open up the meetings? This is their great anti-
bank demand. What nickel-dimers.

MS: Cancel all impoverished country debt to the World Bank
and IMF, using the institutions' own resources.

JCT: I've explained over and over that it's not the debt
that is the problem, it's the interest. You'll not catch me
digging out the people at the bottom of the mountain of debt
while the conveyor belt of interest is dumping more and more
on top all the time. The Banking Systems Engineer's going
after the conveyor belt........ off switch. The Abolish
Interest Rates switch in the banking systems computer
programs. And it's tough talking anyone into cancelling what
is owed to them- why not the others - and a much easier sell
cancelling the interest once inflation has been turned off.

MS: End all World Bank and IMF policies that hinder people's
access to food, clean water, shelter, health care,
education, and right to organize. (Such "structural
adjustment" policies include user fees, privatization, and
economic austerity programs.)

JCT: Why don't they name the World Bank and IMF policies
that hinder people's access to food, clean water, shelter,
health care, education, and right to organize and tell us
what they'd do instead? How ambiguous? Wouldn't they be just
as well saying "be nice?"

MS: Stop all World Bank support for socially and
environmentally destructive projects such as oil, gas, and
mining activities, and all support for projects such as dams
that include forced relocation of people.

JCT: Who is going to decide which are the ones to keep
getting funds and which are the ones not to? Another new
bureaucracy needed to handle this one.

We furthermore demand that the United States government, the
largest shareholder and most influential government in the
World Bank and IMF, adopt the above demands, and work
vigorously to compel the World Bank and IMF to implement
them.

JCT: What, only the US?

MS: Please refer to MGJ's <globalizethis.org>  page for
further info and organizing progress.

JCT: Okay, the guys in Washington organising the anti-
poverty anti-bank protests have absolutely nothing planned
to actually help the poor. They've got the ambiguous wish
list and silly undo-able demands and they'll be nice enough
to organize it all. In the meantime, we've got our chance to
push the LETS alternative.

Sadly, I wasn't able to make the Calgary alternate summit.
In the old days, it was called The Other Economic Summit
(TOES) but after I managed to make LETS presentations in
1997 in Denver, 1998 in Birmingham UK, they made it real
tough for me to participate in 1999 in Koln Germany and then
let TOES die rather then let me keep making it a forum to
explain the anti-poverty solution. So no Calgary in 2002 but
Ottawa not a bad second choice.

It's over on Thursday and I don't know when I'll be able to
post my report but you can bet that if there are any
arrests, I won't be one of the arresteds. I'm there to
proclaim the good news of debt liberation, not carp about
the bad news of debt slavery from those who don't know the
liberation software has arrived.

--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: I've always often referred to the judges who support the
monstrous debt legislation used to enslave us as monsters and
alwyas wanted to know their names. What kind of men could see the
town of Worgl in Austria start up its own local currency, put an
end to unemployment and have an economic boom during the Great
Depression, and then declare the local currency illegal and force
them all back onto unemployment and misery? What would such
humans monsters look like?

And of course, only a few years later in 1935, Bible Bill
Aberhart's Social Credit government was elected in Alberta to
institute a system of sociable credits which was promptly
outlawed by the Supreme Court of Canada condemning Canadians to
suffer the similarly solvable depression there. I did put it to
verse at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/pombank.htm

SOCIAL CREDIT QUEBEC
The books I read on Social Credit made the problem clear,
The movement's founder, Clifford Douglas, was an engineer.
He pointed out that debt was more than money in the game,
But since he couldn't stop the growth of debt he had to claim:
"More money should be printed so that people have in hand,
Enough so that all the production satisfies demand."
Yet interest at zero means no price and money gap,
There's no more need to compensate since one-to-one's a snap.
Some Social Credit preachers made their mark and took a stand,
They spread the Gospel of a friendly credit cross the land.
Quebec had Louis Even who was right in what he preached,
Grandfather, Adelard Turmel, was pleased when words him reached.
The two great laws of Economics, grand-dad said to know,
That "Interest is theft" and "Money has no babies." So.

SOCIAL CREDIT ALBERTA
Alberta had its "Bible Bill," the Aberhart who taught,
Depression suicides were caused by bankers that he fought.
He promised them provincial currency with which to trade,
But rulings pro the banks by courts in Ottawa were made:
"No province has authority to make its currency,
Since only Ottawa has rule over liquidity."
Whenever he suggested using plates from Treasury,
The media declared it "funny money theory."
We now can see how interesting history can be,
Once power wielded with the money plates we finally see.
Just note who operates the plates with government in debt,
To know who is responsible for policies we get.

JCT: Anyway, I've read the stories of the Great Depression and
the misery that scarred a whole generation and wondered what the
Canadian counterparts of the Austrian judicial monsters looked
like so I visited the Supreme Court of Canada site and got all
their pictures and put into a Rogues' Gallery of Judicial Judases
from that era. They never thought we'd be looking at the pictures
wondering what made them the evil devils we now know that they
were.
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/scc1937.htm

For their individual files and larger pictures, see:

Sir Lyman Poore Duff, P.C., G.C.M.G 27-09-1906 -- 17-03-1933*44
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/duff/index_e.html

Thibaudeau Rinfret 01-10-1924 -- 08-01-1944*54
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/rinfret/index_e.html

Lawrence Arthur Dumoulin Cannon 14-01-1930 -- 25-12-1939
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/cannon/index_e.html

Oswald Smith Crocket 21-09-1932 -- 13-04-1943
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/crocket/index_e.html

Henry Hague Davis 31-01-1935 -- 30-06-1944
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/davis/index_e.html

Patrick Kerwin 20-07-1935 -- 01-07-1954*63
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/kerwin/index_e.html

Albert Blellock Hudson 24-03-1936 -- 06-01-1947
http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/aboutcourt/judges/hudson/index_e.html

JCT: These judges are responsible for the misery of millions and
the deaths of thousands. May God not have mercy on their souls.

Works the same way for judges who enforce prohibition of
medicine for the sick. Will have to build a gallery for
judicial medpot rogues.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334

JCT: I keep being asked why I don't give it up. Why I don't
quit beating up on Alan Young, Marc Emery and their boy
Boris St-Maurice. What's the purpose? What's the gain?

Yesterday I got a call that explained the advantages of
continued beating on the opponents. CBC.ca Vanvoucer called
to do an interview on.... Marc Emery.

Marc's running for mayor of Vancouver and in searching the
net for his name, the reporter said my name kept popping up.
So I took half an hour to explain how Alan Young had
sabotaged Terry Parker's motion to invalidate the law and
how a whole bunch of Canadian rats popped out of the
woodwork to support his blocking Turmel.

I explained how he'd been embarrassed by the straw poll
where I got more than 4 times move votes than him for the
leadership of the Marijuana Party and which he then deleted
so I couldn't claim those proxy votes at the convention.

The reporter had read it all and wanted to know what I was
doing. I asked if he knew about the upcoming July 9 meeting
where Marc Emery is supposed to be speaking. Yes, he was
aware of it. I told him about Emery calling the world-wide
successful LETS anti-poverty system "funny money" and that
there would be people at the meeting to brace him on his
economic non-sense, his censorship, and his foul mouth in
public.

>Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:20:12 -0400
>From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: An Event In Vancouver in July 2002
>To: turmel@...
John - for your information...

The War on Freedom: Have We Lost Our Rights?
Featuring:
Stephen Easton, Fraser Institute
And
******* Marc Emery, Vancouver Mayoral Candidate ********
And
Vin Suprynowicz, Columnist, Las Vegas Review-Journal

July 9th 7 PM Delta Pinnacle Hotel Vancouver, BC
Event Details:
Speakers:
Marc Emery. Marc is a man of political and business
prestige. In politics, he is President of the BC Marijuana
Party and a mayoral candidate in Vancouver's municipal
elections this November. In business, he is the world's
largest purveyor of marijuana seeds. Marc is know for his
entertaining speeches and his unapologetic style. Marc has
gained the attention of the international press repeatedly,
being featured in everything from CNN to the Wall Street
Journal to the National Post. Marc is a principled
libertarian, who refuses to compromise on any issue. And he
is known for his generous activism when it comes to pro-
freedom causes.

JCT: A libertarian censor. Can anyone really believe that
Emery holds Libertarian ethics?

Location: Delta Pinnacle Hotel 2nd Floor Ballroom 1128 West
Hastings Street Vancouver, B.C. Date: Tuesday July 9th, 2002
Time: 6:30 PM Early Registration
6:45 PM Registration and appetizers
7:00 PM Event begins
9:00 PM Event Ends
Tickets $30, Tables $210 (6 tickets)
Proceeds go to covering the cost of the event. Speakers
lecture for free. For Tickets Contact: Michael Cust 604-786-
6618 Bruce Armstrong 780-437-1129
===

JCT: The reporter wanted to know about Vancouver people who
might not be too happy with Marc. And I just happened to be
able to refer him to the bc.general and nanaimo.general
Usenet newsgroups where people had commented when I had
posted my complaints about Marc's undemocratic and
dictatorial nature there.

From the http://www.cannabisculture.com forum on the
Marijuana Party of Canada was the response as to why threads
were deleted with Emery telling everyone it's his money and
his place and he could do what he wanted: .

>> The Marijuana Party
Why have my messages w/ threads been deleted?
balanced (unbalanced) 05/10/02 09:16 PM

Why have the two threads I began gone missing? Who has the
power to delete messages anyone? I'm going to attempt to
delete Marc Scott Emery's "turmel is a wingnut" because I
find it silly and past it's due date. And if I cannot than
that means the moderator of this forum is removing messages
that he doesn't agree with. What kind of a circus side-show
cronyistic bullshit board is this, anyway? balanced

Marc Scott Emery (Prince of Pot) 05/10/02 10:23 PM
Re: Why have my messages w/ threads been deleted?

I had them removed. This is my property, my space and my
money and my organization. You are not welcome here because
you are hostile to my interests. I am not here to give a
sounding board for my enemies. You are no more welcome here
than a DEA agent. Marc Emery - Moderator

JCT: Now remember, this is the Marijuana Party of Canada
forum that Marc insists on being able to censor because it's
at his site. Also remember that the Marijuanapartyofcanada
listserv at yahoogroups.com is moderated by Emery's editor
Dana Larsen who has censored my posts from there too. Marc
seems to have an inordinate amount of control over the party
that his boy Boris runs. I posted my report on his actions
from <yahoogroups.com/group/turmel/message/1053> to several
BC newsgroups and generated the following comments which I
referred the reporter to:

>Newsgroups: bc.politics, nanaimo.general
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: Vancouver Mayor candidate Marc Emery
>From: Norm Greenfield (normgreenfield@...)
>Date: 2002-05-13 21:32:11 PST
So these guys suppose to be an argument for the use of Pot?
===

>From: Apostle (Apostle@...)
>Date: 2002-05-14 12:57:15 PST
Emery pretends to be about free speach but he's not... he
has barred people from his discussion boards simply because
he is unable to debate.....
===

>From: Yubon Sir Francis (Yubon Sir Francis@...)
>Date: 2002-05-14 17:32:15 PST
That is true, censorship is something Mark E is good at,
kind of reminds you of a brand new dictator on the rise.
Everyone in his party toots the lines or they get removed
very quickly, he is not someone I would want to see get
elected. After all, when you put in all the money in your
party, you get to say what you like to those who join up
and you get to dictate policy.
===

>From: "Smokin'" <Smokin'@reefer madness.org>
>Newsgroups: alt.hemp,alt.drugs,talk.politics.drugs,
>alt.hemp.politics,can.politics
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: Vancouver Mayor candidate Emery
responds
>Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:55:54 GMT

> >Subject   Re: Does Marc Emery Fear Legalization?
> >Posted by TheBudsAdvocate (enthusiast) on 05/10/02 03:53 PM
> Chris, I'm just curious. Why are you fighting Marc's battles
> so strongly? He has a computer, why doesn't he just come in
Besides having a ego the size of the solar system, Marc
Emery is currently being advised by the partyarchs who
destroyed the BC and federal Libertarian Parties. The
"Marijuana Party" group is almost completely composed of
egomaniacs, con artists, anti-freedom infiltrators and RCMP
undercover operators. Don't expect any rational behaviour
from Emery or his political machine.
===

>From: Merlin (merlin@_round_table.org)
>Date: 2002-05-22 10:44:20 PST
Emery is able to debate, he just does not want to. He knows
very well that he is a censorious little tyrant and that
many of his supporters and advisors are liars and thieves.
He does not want to 'debate' that because he would have to
admit that he likes it that way.
===

>From: Yubon Sir Francis (Yubon_Sir_Francis@...)
>Date: 2002-05-22 14:54:05 PST
That's what dictators are made of. You know that.
===

From: Apostle (Apostle@...)
Date: 2002-05-23 08:09:02 PST
Well i guess it doesnt' really matter anyways, he will never
get elected as the MP rep...
===

JCT: Okay, so the people in BC know Marc better than I ever
did. At least he's got some style. If you visit the
marijuana party forum and look for Marc's "wingnut" attack
on me, you'll see that he banned further debate and the
topic has a cute little "padlock" on it to indicate that
it's a topic that Marc doesn't want us addressing anymore.

Over in the news and events forum, Alan Young's gofer Steve
Bacon had posted the story about the group of Canadian
Exemptees being led by Young into the wrong court again
titled:

>Pot Laws Going Down! Mine Shaft Weed Comming Up!
>sonnyboy (enthusiast)
>05/23/02 12:36 PM

>DeathAndTAxes (journeyman)
>05/23/02 07:27 PM
So, this is the legal action we've heard about? The one for
which Mr. Young and Turmel found themselves at odds? I hope
it goes well, but my pessimist side figures that the
gub'mint will weasel out of it.

JCT: Yes it is the legal action for which Young sabotaged
Turmel's Parker motion and for which we will ever be at
odds.
===

>skellington (old hand)
>05/23/02 08:55 PM
i think the government wants the supreme court to force them
to change the law so that our politicians can turn to the
americans and throw their hands up in the air and say:
"sorry, our judiciary is independent from the political
process." we can always mollify the yanks and meet our drug
treaty obligations by diverting more resources to fight
cross border smuggling...at the very least, it would help
keep canucks out of yank jails
===

>Marc Scott Emery (Prince of Pot)
>05/23/02 10:12 PM

skellington is 100% correct. The Canadian government knows
the US is a rabid, nation-destroying imperialist empire and
for Canadian politicians to change our laws defying the US
is very difficult, fraught with trade sanctions, penalties,
intimidation. DEAland carries high powered sticks to
intimidate indeed. We in British Columbia know how US can
wreak havoc on an economy when they want you to beg. Cursed
America!
Long live the Canadian Supreme Court, Alan Young, John
Conroy, and Paul Burstein.
Edited by Marc Scott Emery (05/23/02 10:13 PM)
===

>Turmel (wingnut) 05/24/02 00:31 AM
>Cowardly Canuck Clucks Curses at America
The Prince of Rot says:

POR: skellington is 100% correct. The Canadian government
knows the US is a rabid, nation-destroying imperialist
empire and for Canadian politicians to change our laws
defying the US is very difficult, fraught with trade
sanctions, penalties, intimidation. DEAland carries high
powered sticks to intimidate indeed. We in British Columbia
know how US can wreak havoc on an economy when they want you
to beg. Cursed America!

JCT: Sounds scared, doesn't he? Chicken Little, the Cowardly
Canuck clucks curses at America.
We're not all lunch-meat for US pressure.
Not me, because I'm the leader of the Abolitionist movement;
Not you because you're probably an RCMP mole.

POR: Long live the Canadian Supreme Court, Alan Young, John
Conroy, and Paul Burstein.

JCT: The man is cheering a lawyers whose record is a dismal
failure so far. At least he's finally keeping his heated
ejaculations over Alan Young under control.
===

JCT: So July 9 is the first chance for me to slap the punk's
foul mouth in public. Just a taste of what he's going to be
getting at every meeting until polling day. I won't give up
especially as I lump Marc in with the big vermin like Alan
Young, Richard Lake rather than the little lice like Steven
Young, Alison Myrden, Boris St-Maurice et al.

And the next time some reporter wants to do a story on Alan
Young, or on Boris St-Maurice, or any of the crooked crew,
I'll bet that my name pops up enough that I'll have the
chance to get the truth out about how these traitors have
hurt the Abolish Prohibition movement, even if they are the
Judas Goats at the top leading the sheeple astray.

So, LETSers of the West Coast, BC, where the LETS software
was born, keep in mind Emery labelling LETS "no interest
funny money" and let's see if we can get people mad enough
to get out to the public meetings and roast his hide alive.

LETS give Emery a nightmare he'll never forget.



--
John C. "The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel, Author of the UNILETS
interest-free time-based currency United Nations C6 recommendation to
Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613.632.2334