Guelph byelection CJOY-radio debate & press

JCT: One article I'd forgotten to publish from August 19, 2008
after I signed up:

http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/369604

Three more candidates ready to run
Libertarian and Marijuana party candidates put their names
on Guelph's byelection ballot

August 19, 2008
Jessica Smith
Mercury Staff

GUELPH

Three more candidates declared their intentions this weekend
to run in the Sept. 8 byelection in Guelph, bringing the
number of choices to eight.

An independent, a Libertarian and a member of the Marijuana
party joined candidates from the Conservative, Liberal, New
Democratic, Green and Animal Alliance Environment Voters
parties, before the close of nominations yesterday.

While the full list of candidates will not be confirmed by
Elections Canada until Thursday, it seems Guelph has the
most candidates of the three ridings with byelections
planned. Five candidates declared in Saint-Lambert, Que. and
six, including one independent, have declared in Westmount-
Ville-Marie.

The new candidates are as follows:

John Turmel, Independent

The Guelph byelection will be Abolitionist party founder
John Turmel's 67th time seeking political office -- he has
not yet been successful, but he holds a Guinness World
Record title for being a candidate in the most municipal,
provincial and federal campaigns.

"I announced I was running for prime minister of the
planet," he said, referring to an online post he wrote.
"Because let's face it, I ran for mayor of Ottawa, premier
of Ontario with my party, prime minister of Canada in '93
when I ran with my Abolitionist party with one candidate
more than the Greens -- and if ever there was an election
for prime minister of the planet, everybody knows who'd be
the first candidate."

Turmel, nicknamed "The Engineer," said he will be running a
"quintuple campaign" by running in Guelph as well as the
Sept. 22 byelection in the Toronto riding of Don Valley
West, continuing his campaign for prime minister of the
planet, and participating in the American presidential
election via Internet postings as well as the fictional
election on the television series "The West Wing" -- which
has been off the air since 2006 -- also via the Internet.

The postings will "explain what I, John the Engineer would
do to solve the problems that Barack Obama and (John) McCain
can't, cause they ain't got enough money, or Matt Santos and
Arnold Vinnick in 'The West Wing'."

Turmel is a professional gambler who lives in Brantford next
to the casino. His platform revolves around the LETS time-
currency system and interest-free loans.

"In a nutshell, it's Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed
be thy name, forgive us today tomorrow's bread, forgive us
our debts as we forgive our debtors," he said.

Phil Bender, Libertarian

Phil Bender is the Libertarian Party of Canada candidate.

He has previously run in a byelection against Turmel, whom
he beat by 50 votes, with a total of 135, in 2007 in the
riding of Dufferin-Peel-Wellington-Grey. The byelection was
won by John Tory.

Bender has also ran in 2003 and 2007 in general provincial
elections in Simcoe-Grey. He said his platform follows along
the lines of the federal Libertarian party.

"I ask myself the philosophical question -- we're humans, we
have failures -- and the question as I see it is do we need
an overseeing body, government . . . which is what most
people call it, to protect us from our own failures? And I
would say no, we should be allowed to make our own mistakes.

"And if people want an organization to protect them we have
those organizations, but they're not coerced on us, and
government is, by its nature coercion. If you don't do what
government says they'll fine you or put you in jail or
restrict your freedoms."

Kornelius Klevering, Marijuana party

Kornelius "Kase" Klevering did not return an e-mail request
for an interview by deadline.

Mercury archives show Klevering is a member of the Church of
the Universe, which considers marijuana and nudity to be
sacred.

He attended John F. Ross Collegiate and the University of
Guelph, where relieved an M.A. in political science and a
diploma specializing in hemp growing from the agricultural
college.

In 1994 he was found guilty of possession of marijuana for
the purposes of trafficking, but maintained the plants were
for research.
jesmith@...

JCT: Aug 28 2008. So now on to the CJOY-radio debate. All
the candidates are here. I was surprised to see that they
had used a picture of me. I was the only candidate who stood
up so I was probably the most alive. I'm not sure what I was
saying, what a picture.
http://news.guelphmercury.com/article/373733

Thursday Aug 28 9am

Question #1: Linamar makes big layoffs

Turmel: I'm sorry if the low-tech adults don't follow what I
say but ask your kids what this means. I want people and
companies to be able to log on the the Bank of Canada's
computer, open an account just like PayPal, and then cut
checks to pay all your interest-bearing debts and after
that, all payments go against principal so that no matter
how slow, you're eventually out of debt. Ask any company out
there, if you could get loan at the Bank of Canada with no
interest, would that help your company? And they would all
say yes. I'm the only candidate who talks about
reprogramming the Bank of Canada's computer because the
other low-tech candidates don't understand how that could be
done. Go online, look for John The Engineer Turmel it would
work just like PayPal. Any other funding system on the
internet works the same way. And the Bank of Canada could
provide the interest-free financing to solve every problem
we're going to deal with today. So you watch how many times
the shortage of funds is raised for every individual area.
It's going to be dealt with by me by reprogramming the Bank
of Canada's computer to issue the interest-free funds.

Question #2: Private enterprise in Health Care

Turmel: We don't need more hospitals, we don't need more
doctors, we need less sick people. That means you have to
look at your diet, you have to look at the causes of
sickness and avoid hospitals and doctors.
As for funding, I like the idea of private funding, because
yes, they can make profit by being good. They can make
profit by being competent. And as long as people have the
money to pay for their doctor, rich people, they don't need
federal money to pay for their doctors, only poor people
need federal money to pay for their doctors, and I'm the
only guy who's going to get rid of the poor people by making
them rich so they can afford their own doctors, and every
one of these other candidates, since they can't touch
the poverty problem, are going to have to come up with the
free doctors for the poor people they can't help.

Question #3: Meals on wheels recently defunded

Turmel:
I'll pay my tax for army and police to handle strife;
I'll pay my for doctors, nurses who protect my life;
I'll pay my tax for all engaged repairing road and sewer;
I'll pay my tax for social servants helping out the poor;
I'll pay my tax for meals on wheels.......
I'll even pay my tax for bureaucrats with no regret;
I only object to paying tax for interest on debt.

Again, nobody's going to solve the poverty problem so people
can afford food. So that's why you need charities to provide
food because the system has too many poor people and it
can't provide the money so they buy their own food.

I don't want to charity anymore. I don't want poor people to
be stuck on charity all their lives. I want them to be able
to buy, to try to pay it back, and if they can't pay it
back, well then, when they die, you divide up the negative
over the whole database and everybody pays a little bit of
his share. So I'm not too worried about the poor people who
can't pay us back when we now give them free food. There's a
way of financing it all at the Bank of Canada's computer.

Question #4: To NDP: Bottled water

Turmel: Do you remember what we heard about baby bottles
that leached carcinogens? people were getting sick? What if
these bottles are the same thing? I don't like plastic
bottles which could be dangerous. I'd far prefer a plastic
cup with a glass bottle. So I am in favor of getting rid of
these plastic water bottles. I trust my city's water too.

Question #5: Renegotiating NAFTA

Turmel: I never liked NAFTA to begin, I don't like it now,
and I don't mind renegotiating but that's not important to
me.

JCT: NDP Tom King found it funny listening to the Liberal and
the Tory arguing over who made the mess when they are the
only two children in the sandbox.

Question #6: Taxes on gasoline

Turmel: Sure, there many little things we can do. But
there's always going to be the trains, the planes, the
trucks that deliver the big stuff. We have to ship our
lumber to the States so they can ship their lumber up here
to compete. And we have to ship our cars to other countries
to sell and they have to ship their cars here to sell. We
have to ship our beef to the States, they have to ship their
beef here. Lot of fuel being used in this competition to
export. Why?
Because every country borrows 100 billion, pays to produce,
inflates their price to 110 billion, and the home market can
only buy 100, and everybody's got to export what they can't
buy at home. Hence the insane rush to export, the insane
wastage of energy. So if we can get rid of the stupid
competition called "death-gamble" "mort-gage" which is
caused by interest, then we can cut back on all the export
delivery energy we need. So we have to cut back on the
insane competition and that'll save energy as opposed to all
the little things we can do ourselves.

Question #7: Afghan Mission

Green Mike Nagy wants more peace-building v. war-making.
I guess he agrees with the original invasion as part of
Sheriff Bush's posse chasing the guys who did 911.

Libertarian Phil Bender said the Aghanis didn't invade us,
we had no right to invade them. Philosophically, I'm a
Libertarian Socred, I want personal freedom, cops out of
gambling, sex, drugs and rock roll and financial freedom, an
interest-free account from my nation bank. I even tried to
run as a Libertarian in 1980 but I was rejected because
giving interest-free loans to the poor was judged an affront
to the liberty of the banks to loanshark to them.

Tory Gloria Kovach: It is in our interest to keep the
Taliban out of power. Enabling women, more schooling makes
invasion all okay. Of course, no matter what good we do
never mitigates an immoral invasion. Canadians helped kill
Afghanis first.

Marijuana Kase Klevering: Nato invasion is completely
illegal, take them out of harm's way by bringing them home.
Harper may face war crimes. Don't forget the Parliament that
sent them in the first place should also be represented in
the docket.

Liberal Frank Valeriote: We do support our troops by not
forcing them to share more than their fair share of the
risk. So he thinks the invasion must be moral since so many
others share our guilt? He says we've taken on more than our
fair share of the risk (of being US-allied invaders.) We
need more help. We have to move away from defence to
development. Restore position as peace-keepers. Dream on.
He's delusional if he thinks the government that defeated
the Russians is going to let Canadians stick around to help
the quisling Karzai government do development.

Tom King: Need re-definition of our role. Do not put them in
harm's way for a bad reason. Right. But I haven't heard that
it's a bad reason nor what bad reason the NDP mean. Is it
the fact the invasion was unsuccessful that is the reason we
should pull out? Or the fact that invasion was immoral that
we should pull out?

Turmel: Okay, every knows we're in Afghanistan chasing the
guys who did 911. Well, this is the first war Canada's ever
been in where we're wearing the "black hats." We joined the
American invaders to kick out a legitimate Taliban
government for no good reason. We're the "patsy posse"
sicced on the Taliban by George Bush with his lies. Who told
us that a bunch of Arabs took down 3 buildings with 2
planeloads of gasoline. If that's true, we shouldn't be
fighting them, we should be surrendering.
I don't believe they took down those 3 building with
gasoline. I believe they were demolitions. I've got an
engineering degree. I don't believe the bull George gave us
and I don't believe we should be in Afghanistan because
they kicked out the legitimate government and frankly, I
blame Parliament for sending our soldiers into a war with
the black hats on. I say we've got to get them out of there
before the white hat Taliban kick our asses.

Question #8: How to make Parliament work better?

JCT: Sure, Parliament may be dysfunctional but it's not
dysfunctionally dangerous like the Bank of Canada is
dysfunctionally dangerous. Our banking system is the
problem, our banking system creates the shortage of money
that creates the poverty. If you Google for "Banking
Systems Engineer" I come up. If you Google for "Great
Canadian Gambler" I come up. Believe it or not, my policy is
nothing more than running money like poker chips. Now, I'm
not talking the adults here, they can't get this. But you
kids, understand that if the Bank of Canada ran its money
like poker chips, issuing money in exchange for collateral,
interest-free, every chip would be backed up by the
collateral and there could be no inflation.
So I'm expecting kids out there who understand poker and
gambling and chips to realize that I'm not only an expert in
poker, I'm an expert in poker chips. And I'm saying that
fixing the chips is more important than fixing Parliament.

Moderator: I went all-in and lost it all along time ago.
Turmel: I'm still in the game.

Question #9: Bad beef outbreak health

Turmel: The deaths are Walkerton were due to insufficient
funding to do it right. Mad Cow disease is due to feeding
animal products to herbivores that don't eat animal products
normally. So the Government, Liberal-Tory, instead of
banning feeding animal products to herbivores, they've upped
the inspections so that they'll catch the Mad Cow if it ever
happens.

JCT: From 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 1,000? 10 times better?

Turmel: So they're not going to do what they can to stop Mad
Cow, they're going to increase the chance of catching it
when it happens. And that's pretty stupid, isn't it? Why?
Because it's cheaper to feed animal products to herbivores
than to feed them grass. Believe it or not, it's because of
money again that Mad Cow threatens, and instead of banning
the cause of Mad Cow, all they're doing is upping
inspections for it. Does that sound bright to you? And
that's both the parties who were in power over the last few
years.

Question #10: Criminal Justice too lenient or too far

JCT: In a simple sentence, my programs are to get cops out
of gambling, sex, drugs and rock&roll, and interest-free
loans at the Bank of Canada. I remember Abraham Lincoln in
1855 said:
"Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch
smoking a pipe of sweet hemp and playing my Hohner
harmonica."
He also said:
"Prohibition goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it
attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and
makes a crime out of things that are not crime. A
prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon
which our government was founded."
So yes, get cops out of gambling. No more prohibition
against drugs. No more prohibition against sex, shy or ugly
people have a right to get laid too.
And finally, interest-free loans at the Bank of Canada and
that's my total program.

JCT: There was quite a round of laughter that the right of
the shy and less attractive always elicits as its truth
dawns. I quipped:
Turmel: I said I was a Libertarian, at heart. Hey, both your
parties I tried to join.

Closing Statement:

Turmel: Yes, I'm in the Guinness Book of Records for running
in more elections and losing more elections than anyone
else. But, for instance, in Hamilton, in 1996 against Sheila
Copps in the byelection, one month after the headline "Super
Loser Fails Again," the Hamilton Self-Help group announces
they were starting up a Hamilton LETS. LETS is the name of
the interest-free software I financed 25 years ago, Local
Employment-Trading Software, and Guelph used to have a LETS
20 years ago, a demonstration model. Well I want to expand
it to Canada and the United States and in 2000, I got
invited to the UN during the Millennium Assembly to do the
speech on the banking system of the future where they passed
the UNILETS resolution, Google for it, where everybody will
be able to time-based currency account at the United Nations
usable all over the world.
So you do your homework, google for that, and as for the
marijuana issue, I went on the Hill in 2003 with 7 pounds of
marijuana to prove that the law was dead. I got 4000
people's charges dropped and they didn't even mention my
name. But marijuana kills cancer, marijuana regrows brain
cells, that's obvious why I'm so sharp and the main
candidates are so dull.
So if you want to have an exciting time, vote for John The
Engineer and kids, I'm expecting you to explain it to your
parents because I know 90% of this stuff went in one ear and
out the other. But you've got the wit, the youth, to believe
in the possibilities of engineering, as opposed to saying:
oh he's dreaming. I'm not dreaming, this is engineering
design. The interest-free software had spread all over the
world in at least 58 countries where you can do timebanking
now. So do your homework and restart your Guelph LETS so
that I don't have to get elected. So that you guys can get
the mission accomplished on your own.
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As for then Chamber of Commerce debate televised by Rogers,
notice their upcoming tv schedule:
http://www.rogerstv.com/option.asp?lid=12&rid=8&sid=2916&arid=8
TV Schedule
Sunday - 8:00 PM
Monday - 9:00 PM
Wednesday - 7:00 PM
Thursday - 6:00 PM
Friday - 7:00 PM
Saturday - 10:00 AM, 6:00 PM

JCT: They're going to unfairly influence the election 7 more
times all the while pleading they weren't the organizers
doing the dirty deed.
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Finally, a few more comments from blogs:

D1andOnlyMichaelStevenDWizardWisniewskiD1st wrote:
John, you remind of someone here in Centre Wellington.
Him and I actually agreed about inequities in an all-
candidates debate (Much like you and I). However, we took
VERY different approaches to raise our concerns. I went to
the office of the host in question and spoke with the
General Manager. I even bought us coffees. We a spirited,
yet civil, conversation on the issue. The other guy, on the
other hand, decided to call the GM at home, on Thanksgiving
Monday, DURING DINNER. Guess which guy you are John.

Jct: It had been reported that the minor candidates were
being excluded. Why would I have been more convincing than
the other excludees? I think it's a cheap shot since I saw
no other recourse. What would your other "guy" have done?
Posted by: John Turmel ~ August 29, 2008 at 07:18 AM
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DC: thanks for the website john. ok, seems your mission is
to disrupt and contest election results (holding the world
record) rather than actually offering yourself up as a
realistic candidate. gotcha. the world does need it's s-
disturbers. fair enough.

JCT: Cheap, cheap cheap shots. The one time my girlfriend
said "mission accomplished" was not for disrupting or
contesting my many many elections (holding the world
record)! The only time she said "mission accomplished" was
exactly one month after the June 18 1996 Ottawa Sun report
on the federal byelection in Hamilton against Sheila Copps
titled "Super Loser Fails Again" that the Hamilton Spectator
reported in a July 18 article titled "Creating work by
working together" that the Hamilton Self-Help Group were
starting up a Hamilton LETS. They took my Local Employment
Trading system as my offering myself up as a realistic
candidate. It's your unfounded and ignorant conclusion that
shit-disturbing is my only mission, fair enough, but the
families I've helped all over the world may not agree.

DC: but, it seems a bit odd that you would be running in
Guelph, though, seeing as your website says you live in
Brantford. or, does the Abolitionist Party routinely
parachute in star candidates^

JCT: Why not? You'd rather have someone to handle such an
esoteric topic as interest-free currency software other than
the engineer who engineered it^

DC: where will you run if a general election is held?

JCT: Probably where I live. But if I do well in Guelph, say
someone re-kick-starts up the old Guelph LETS, I just might
make the hour trip to run here again.

DC: i'd hate to think that the fine people of Guelph would
lose out on your wisdom if you decided to run in Brantford.
D C

JCT: For a guy who hasn't realized what I'm about despite an
overwhelming volume of evidence, it only proves the fact
that someone convinced against their will is someone
unconvinced still. DC is convinced I run in these elections
promoting LETS to disturb his already-overworked neurons.
Posted by: John Turmel ~ August 29, 2008 at 07:43 AM
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SB: John...after your "performance" at the debate last night
I was curious to learn more about you and your views. I
visited your website only to discover that it hasn't been
updated since seemingly 1999. Considering how easy it is to
update websites these days, doesn't this seem a bit a odd
that you criticize Rogers for not giving you a forum to
discuss your views yet your own website sits un-updated? You
critize the Green Party for being hypocritical? Clean up
your own house before you decide to act like a maniac in
ours Steve Buffalo

JCT: When you do it right the first time, you don't need to
keep doing it to get it right. I can understand your need
for continued upgrading but you just don't know much
about how engineers do things right once and for all. Yes
http:##www.cyberclass.net#turmel#abprogs.htm has the same
great programs as I had my whole political career.
Posted by: John Turmel ~ August 29, 2008 at 07:54 AM
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Jct: DC continued:

DC: keep talking john, you are doing a great job convincing
people what you're all about.

Jct: The quality of my interest-free UNILETS bank software
does my talking for me.

DC: my neurons are just fine, thank you very much :)

Jct: And the more you lose, the more you think you are fine.
MichaelStevenDWizardWisniewski added:

MSW: Yeah John, don't you have an election to lose or
something?

Jct: Don't you have an interest-free Bank of Canada credit
card to lose or something?
Posted by: John Turmel | August 31, 2008 at 07:59 PM

JCT: Three more meetings next week.

What's great is that after the CJOY debate, I got the other
candidates to agree to weak their party buttons to the
Rogers debate because no one wants Big Brother to force us
to do our presentations in the boring and grey Ted Rogers
way.

Green Mike Nagy, Libertarian Phil Bender, Marijuana Party
Kase Klevering agreed to insist on wearing our party
buttons, maybe more. We'll see how many candidates obey the
Rogers to be boring and grey and how many come with a little
color for their presentations.

There's a rumor that Fuhrer Tim Philp may be brought in by
Rogers Guelph to have the Guelph police to take us away. I
can't imagine many others who would want to be seen doing
that and Tim already has been labelled the "Nazi moderator"
Google for "Nazi moderator."

I'm already in Federal Court of Canada over Fuhrer Philp
removing me from his Rogers debate for showing my button and
this would be a great win in that fight too.

Being just one hour away, we'll see if Rogers Guelph has to
bring in a hired gun to do the dirty deed to prevent
candidates from using visual aids in our presentations. I'd
bet Fuhrer Philp's been advising them how to make it boring
and Grey the Ted Rogers way. Could make Wednesday's meeting
another hot affair for the cameras to cut away from.