JCT: I had received information about a meeting on the North
American Union going on nearby:

>From: Claudia Hudson hudcom@...
>Sent: August 3, 2007 12:40 PM
>Subject: Aug 07 Think tank re SPP reminder

In August 20-21 Prime Minister Harper will ratify the
Security, Prosperity Partnership with Mexico and the US.
What will this do to your life? Viewpoints from politicians,
business people, environmental activists and others will be
heard at the August 07 meeting. Bring your voice to the
discussion. Your country is at stake.
Thanks to the Brantford Inventors Club, I am able to arrange
a 'Think Tank for True Canadians' to discuss the August 20-
22 Security, Prosperity Partnership (SPP) with US and
Mexico, in Montebello, Quebec Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7pm
J's Place Restaurant (upstairs) corner of Market and Erie
Ave. Brantford, Ont All welcome, Please pass this on
Cost: No charge --please patronize the restaurant
Claudia Hudson, Facilitator RSVP 519 754 0670
hudcom@...

JCT: Some of my opponents in the next federal election
attended too. Lloyd St. Amand, sitting member, showed but
didn't prepare a presentation but spoke for a few minutes,
the Green Party nominee showed and spoke for 5 minutes, a
CAP party representative spoke, and then Claudia Hudson
refused to let the independent candidate, me, make my
presentation telling me I could comment like the rest of the
crowd. Claudia's a CAP supporter.

So a candidate who came unprepared got to speak and another
who came prepared to speak was shut out. Being excluded from
election debates is nothing new to me so I listened to the
first presentation on "monetary reform" by Sydney White and
then left.

She did a commendable presentation on why we should push to
get the Bank of Canada to issue interest-free loans for
government financing but then blew her credibility by
denigrating people who start up their own social currency
lifeboats while awaiting the bigger solution:

From the Toronto Street News:
www.canadastreetnews.com/vol%209%202%20july%206-%2019/Page1July19.pdf
By Sydney White / Committee on Monetary and Economic Reform

JCT: I made the first presentation on vast interest-free
Bank of Canada financing to a COMER conference back in 1985
but it never stuck.

SW: We ignore the Ban of Canada At Our Peril
Early in June, I attended an informal gathering in Brantford
where several people spoke on the use of community dollars.

JCT: I was one of them.

SW:Of course these dollars have been used for some time in
places like Ithaca, New York, where small numbers have been
accepted along with (private) Federal Reserve Notes.

JCT: I guess she's never heard about it spreading to over 50
countries.

SW: However, should they ever become widely used, affecting
the privately issued money, laws will be passed to take them
out of circulation, if not their owner.

JCT: She's a prophet too. "Don't build yourselves a currency
life-boat because they'll just sink it."

SW: Two of the speakers came to my lecture in Toronto and
over coffee afterwards told me that ALL money was debt
money.

JCT: When anyone uses the words "debt money," I usually tune
out since they haven't keyed in on the fact it's not that
money is based on debt (functional LETS social currencies
are based on debt to return what was given) but that there
is usury on the debt, whether based on asset or debt.
Bemoaning "debt-money" is the tell exhibiting their
confusion.

SW: When I answered that our publicly-owned Bank of Canada
was still issuing two per cent interest-free money

JCT: All my political career, I have sought to have the
Bank of Canada fund 100% of Canada's economic action
interest-free. The 2% is simply the coins issued without
interest. In the early 1980s, I dragged the Bank of Canada to the
Supreme Court demanding their computers be restricted to a
pure service charge with the interest charge abolished on
Bank of Canada funding of all government expenses.

SW: and that it could issue as much as fifty percent,

JCT: I'm working on the vast 100% solution and she's working
on the half-vast 50% solution.

SW: they looked at me as if I were wearing a tin foil hat,
pronounced in unison that I knew nothing, scooped up their
handsomely designed, privately printed money, and left.

JCT: I'd look at someone suggesting a half-vast solution
a little funny too.

SW: I didn't take this personally, many well-meaning people
involved in community dollars, or printing their own money,
are unaware of monetary history.

JCT: I want Bank of Canada currency too but I'm also the
engineer of the world community currency movement.

SW: Aside from the fact that these local monies can never
take the place of a government-issued interest-free
currency,

JCT: When Argentinian social creditos did take the place of
government-issued currency after the Argentinian banking
system collapsed in 2001, it enabled them to pay off all
their IMF and World Bank foreign debt. Of course, Sydney
doesn't know because the media didn't report it and she
didn't dig it up like I did.

SW: our complex civilization also needs a currency that does
not stop at city or village borders.

JCT: I used my "IOU Time" currency all over Europe during my
last European tour. People in towns outside of Ithaca accept
Ithaca Hours because someone will someday spend them there.

SW: Benjamin Franklin, Andrew Jackson, Lincoln and Kennedy
issued interest-free money, and our own Bank of Canada
issued fifty percent interest-free money from 1938 onwards.

JCT: So they have already tried the half-vast solution
before.

SW: Unfortunately, the political will that once kept our
central bank under public control, has chosen impotence and
we are now at a token two per cent. But this can be remedied
by an informed public _ the owners of the Bank of Canada.

As if this episode with feudal money systems wasn't
discouraging, a visit to City Hall this week convinced me
that the lid on monetary history and all information
regarding the privatization of our money, is now tighter
than ever.

JCT: King Henry's "feudal" Tally system worked fine for 600
years. Feudal or not, social currencies work.

SW: Almost A Hundred Groups Protest Miller's Sneaky Summer
Taxes!!

The Council, led by Mayor Miller, was angrily confronted by
almost a hundred groups who were protesting four proposed
taxes on vehicles, liquor, entertainment, and a doubled land
transfer tax on home buyers, "Because the city was on the
verge of bankruptcy". These new taxes were, of course, to be
voted on during the summer when everyone was out of town.
The STATED grotesque fact that two-thirds of our taxes are
wasted on paying interest to private banks on infrastructure
loans which had been in the Bank of Canada at minimum or no
interest, did not cause a ripple of curiosity.

JCT: Paying interest is number one. It's verboten to think
about not paying interest. It's strikes at their cognitive
dissonance. It just doesn't stick.

As a deputante, I reminded Mayor Miller that I had written
him in July of 2004 setting out the blueprint for municipal
borrowing from the Bank of Canada, to which he had responded
that he would pass on this information to his Treasurer.
Since it was obviously not passed on, I would now give this
procedure step by step, to the Council. Mayor Miller was not
thrilled and watched the clock, looking forward to the last
second of my five minutes.

Again, most Councillors, though not looking for the tin foil
hat, were staring blankly at me, aware that they had missed
something, but not knowing what it was.

The perfect "revenue tool" of all those they had whined
about, had just been explained to them, and still they sat
becalmed without a breeze of thought to stir them. Ignorance
does not mean illiteracy; it is seeing something before your
eyes and deciding to ignore it.

JCT: It's not ignorance, not knowing, it's stupidity, not
wanting to know. And they're not deciding to ignore it. As
Jesus said, "they will forever be hearing without hearing
and seeing without seeing" when it comes to usury.

SW: Saying that we don't have enough money to take care of
our infrastructure is as foolish as saying we can't build
roads because we don't have enough kilometers.

JCT: Better is "can't ride the railroad because they ran out
of tickets.

SW: This ignorance has gone global. The earth and its
nations are being scourged, drained and ground through the
finest mills of usury while the bewildered population
protests "trade" agreements that are merely adjuncts to the
all-consuming compound interest levied on servile
governments. Until politicians have the testicular fortitude
to admit that there is a huge difference between "economy"
and "finance" and until they learn the difference between an
"expense" and an "investment", we are doomed to waste our
precious time in government halls where form does not follow
function, but merely obeys the private banking edicts.

As the great Roman Consul, Cicero said in 63 B.C.:
"Politicians are not born; they are excreted." There's one
exception: "Here's to you, Connie Fogal, of the Canadian
Action Party.

JCT: Another half-vast thinker. So anyway, I wrote to a
letter to the editor:

Toronto Street News
Victor Fletcher, Publisher
vpflet@...

Dear Sir:

Having been dubbed "bank fighter extraordinaire" by the
media for my court battles trying to force the Bank of
Canada to fund Canadian enterprise with interest-free
funds in the early 1980s, I agree wholeheartedly with your
front page article in Vol 9 #2 2007 by Sydney White urging
the City of Toronto to apply for interest-free Bank of
Canada funds.

I have also urged such use of the Bank of Canada for over a
quarter century and I also noted that as she did:
"most were staring blankly at me, aware that they had missed
something, but not knowing what it was. The perfect "revenue
tool" of all those they had whined about, had just been
explained to them, and still they sat becalmed without a
breeze of thought to stir them."

That's why I was so stunned by Ms. White's criticism of the
Social Currency movement arguing focusing on the Bank of
Canada would be best. Social currency has been called an
anti-poverty system, an economic life-boat. Sure, the Bank
of Canada could do it right but I financed the first LETS
(Greendollar) software in the early 1980s despite my wanting
to use the Bank of Canada as suggested because I felt it was
better to start doing it ourselves than wait for the
political-controlled bank to do it right.

So while fighting for the big Bank of Canada solution like
Ms. White, or the United Nations UNILETS solution, I also
advise people to set up their own anti-poverty life-boats at
the local level until it's done right at the top.

I can't understand why Ms. White would be so down on us
running our banking right ourselves locally while waiting
for her preferred solution at the top.

Yours truly,
John Turmel, Banking Systems Engineer


JCT: Speaking of cognitive dissonance, I had booked a half-
hour slot to do my Ballad of the Banking Systems Engineer at
the Brantford Inventors club but unfortunately, the
moderator was a rich dude and after five minutes, he could
not restrain himself, interrupted me asking I stop reading
my poem and just recap what I wanted to say. I said it was a
poem of my regular message but ended his misery anyway.

The truth about money is so very upsetting for people who
have money that they have to try to stop what I'm saying. I
have dozens of posts over the years from people demanding I
be banned from posting because they didn't want to read it.
When I asked why they keep reading me, one slow thinker,
Christina from Sweden, responded it was because she didn't
want to miss any of the good stuff. Better I be banned so
nobody gets to read it and she won't feel left out of the
good stuff she would miss.

Anyway, it was amusing to see how the moderator
just couldn't control himself and had to put a stop to my
poem within 5 minutes. Like Jesus and Sydney said, "they
remain forever dense."


--
Abolitionist Debt Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer"
Turmel for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution
C6 to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel USENET blog: alt.fan.john-turmel