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TURMEL: Argent Provocateur sabotaging Ron Paul Campaign   Message List  
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JCT: Last October and December of 2006, I decried the "Liberty
Dollar" gang of Agent Provocateurs whose Argent Provocateur
(Argent is money, silver, in French, great pun) was being
associated with the Social Currency movement:

Liberty Dollar Straw Man Judas Goat
http://yahoogroups.com/group/turmel/message/3207
Judas Goat Liberty Dollars linked to CC by DeMeulenaere
http://yahoogroups.com/group/turmel/message/3267

Since there are multitudes of legitimate and legal community
currencies in the U.S., Ithaca Hours for example, why would
these guys incur the wrath of the government by using
credits that resemble real dollars and call them dollars
when, like "Hours" or "Timedollars" or "Greendollars," they
don't have to?

I opined it was to sabotage the alternative currency
movement by getting people to use their illegal currency so
they can be attacked. Now we see the Liberty Dollar Argent
Provocateur being used to sabotage the Ron Paul campaign.

>Subject: [catapult] Digest Number 6856
>Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
>From: griffin@... ("G. Edward Griffin")
>Subject: Unfiltered News from Te Reality Zone Aug 10 2007
>To: turmel@...

Ron Paul Dollars are here - in copper, silver, and gold.
Great campaign conversation pieces with inevitable
collector's value. Liberty Dollar 2007 Aug 7

JCT: Dr. Griffin should know better. His "Capitalist
Conspiracy" is one of the best videos on the bankster cartel
ever done except he then says the solution is to base our
credits on yellow rock instead of human work a la Timebank.

http://m1e.net/c?11834573-SAtat32Hl1ooE%402672462-Y88UFN5V3Qtts
or
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/ronpauldollar

Liberty Dollar
Presidential candidate Paul passionate over hard money
July 23, 2007 - Coin World
One of the 10 declared Republican candidates for the 2008
presidential race brings to the campaign a background that
includes being a coin dealer and a longtime advocate for
hard money: Ron Paul.
Although television debates give voters a chance to learn
about the candidates, the format does not allow a full
opportunity to discuss issues that each presidential hopeful
may choose. While he has been able to make some passing
references to fiscal policy and sound money, those topics
are Paul's passions.
Read More...

JCT: Sure, Dr. Paul (a real M.D., not some Artsy Ph.D.)
doesn't like the Fed and is making spectacular inroads in
the American consciousness. He's one of the few U.S.
politicians I have ever respected, though he's still not
quite an Abolitionist of Debt Slavery by Usury, but he's
certainly the intellectual cream of the Republican crop.

So next, these agents provocateurs will try to provoke
government wrath against Ron Paul by getting people to
donate the illegal argent provocateur to his campaign and if
he uses it to pay people, he can be busted for illegal
funding methods.

Of course, I advocate donating with legal alternative
credits. Donate all the Ithaca Hours to his campaign all you
want because it is not argent provocateur! Doesn't look like
US money, doesn't malfunction like US money.

No time to comment but here's the rest of their pitch to set
up an illegal and bustable Ron Paul currency:

July 19, 2007 - economist.com
RON PAUL, a libertarian Republican congressman from Texas,
likes to say what he thinks. And among the things he thinks
is that the census is a violation of privacy. He has opted
out of the congressional pension programme. He claims never
to have voted for a tax increase, or for an unbalanced
budget, or for a congressional pay rise and never to have
gone on a congressional junket. He wants to return to the
gold standard. Most notably, he strongly opposes the Iraq
war and has from the beginning. Read More...

JCT: He sees what's wrong with the FED but not what's right
about time-based currency.

Ron Paul Gains New Currency
July 16, 2007 - nytimes.com
He's still a long shot for the presidency, but Republican
Rep. Ron Paul of Texas has leapfrogged into a distinction
usually reserved for chief executives - and dead ones, at
that: His visage now graces a coin. Read More...

JCT: The Argent Provocateur is getting space in the New York
Times. These agents provocateurs must be really connected.

Ron Paul Odds Slashed Dramatically: 15 to 1 from 200 to 1
May 30, 2007
It was only two weeks ago that 2008 Presidential candidate
Ron Paul was listed at Sportsbook.com with odds of 200 to 1.
In fact, early in the month he was not even offered on the
political betting menu. My how things have changed in the
past month. Read More...

JCT: That's real info, the betting line for people who put
their money where their mouths are.

Abolish the Fed
September 10, 2002
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce legislation to restore
financial stability to America's economy by abolishing the
Federal Reserve. I also ask unanimous consent to insert the
attached article by Lew Rockwell, president of the Ludwig
Von Mises Institute, which explains the benefits of
abolishing the Fed and restoring the gold standard, into the
record. Read More...

JCT: Too bad. Gold standard never worked before, can't work
now. He's as good man but a social currency dinosaur if
he thinks credits on yellow rock are as good as credits on
plastic or copper when at the beach. Of course, I'd be he
might catch on to the Time Standard of Money instead of the
Gold Standard of Money. Then he's be a man with a solution
in his hand.

The surprising relevance of Ron Paul.
May 21, 2007
The New Republic
A star had just been born when, a day after the May 15
Republican presidential debate in South Carolina, I met
Texas Representative Ron Paul for lunch on Capitol Hill. The
meeting had been scheduled for several days; but, as luck
would have it, the previous night Paul had gone from an
oddball obscurity to a major sensation in the political
world when, answering a question about September 11, he
seemed to suggest that the attacks were justified by an
aggressive U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. "They
attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing
Iraq for ten years," Paul explained. The ever-macho Rudy
Giuliani was quick to pounce. "That's an extraordinary
statement," he marveled. "And I would ask the congressman to
withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean
that." The crowd roared its approval. A previously flagging
Giuliani suddenly enjoyed his best moment of the race. Read
More...

JCT: I want nothing to do with America until its war
criminal have been brought to justice.

Commemorating Independence Day!
In celebration of The 4th of July, 2007 you are invited -
even urged - to flex your independence with the Volunteer
Network's 'secret weapon' - the Ron Paul Dollar

JCT: The Ron Paul booby-trap.

bringing new meaning to the U.S. Mint's "Presidential
Dollars" and symbolizing the Congressman's values. WOW! Now
the Internet's favorite Presidential candidate has his own
money to help turbo-charge his shot at the White House.

JCT: Yes, his own argent provocateur.

Impossible, you think? Long shot? Dark horse? Think again.
This election is different. Want to stand this Presidential
election on its head? Well guess what? As utterly amazing as
it may seem, we the people, could actually get Ron Paul
nominated. Why? Because there are so many Republican liars
running for President and the field is so fractionized, that
a classic dark house candidate could win. And that is
amazing! Yes, we all know that politicians are pathological
liars. And this campaign has an unusually large number of
liars. Fortunately, Congressman Ron Paul speaks the truth.
He speaks the truth about the government, about money and
about the war. Ron Paul is dedicated to the truth and a
government as defined by the US Constitution. But Truth
without action... dies. The great American experiment is
already dying. You can see signs of it everywhere. The
federal empire is destroying America. And as it grows, we
the people lose our purchasing power, our liberties and even
our hope for a prosperous future. Please don't let the Truth
die. Nothing happens without you taking action. The Liberty
Dollar cannot cure our country's monetary ills without YOU.
Congressman Ron Paul cannot be elected without YOU. You are
the most important person in this election.

JCT: A lot of hype to cover the sabotage. Would guys who
love Ron Paul this much try to get him in trouble?

So the Volunteer Network created a 'secret weapon' - the Ron
Paul Dollar. Available in pure $1 Copper, $20 Silver, and
$1000 Gold Ron Paul Dollars. It was specifically designed to
popularize Ron Paul's campaign, put more real money in the
people's hands, attract more media attention and political
memorabilia collectors.

JCT: Ron Paul's own "real money." It certainly should get
him more media attention with the New York Times leading the
way.

"The Ron Paul Dollar is certainly different," said Jeff
Kotchounian, a collector in Michigan. "For me, it's a great
way to popularize Ron Paul and get him elected!"

JCT: Or get him jailed.

Von NotHaus, the fiery "freemarketeer" behind the Ron Paul
Dollar, observes, "It will be interesting to see if enough
people are fed up with politics, Bush regime, and the war to
take Congressman Paul seriously. Certainly the Ron Paul
Dollar is as unique as the Candidate and the election
itself. Do the majority of Americans really want to change
Washington? Time will tell."
Von NotHaus stresses urgency as the political parties have
moved up the primary elections, squeezing campaigning time
to only eight more months. If people want to change things,
they must make a donation to Ron's campaign, get a Ron Paul
Dollar and support him right now.

JCT: Step one. What's Ron supposed to do with all his "real
Ron Paul money?" Step two into a jail cell?

All this will be a big surprise to Dr. Paul. As Liberty
Dollar's legal counsel pointed out, if Ron Paul's campaign
was informed before the launch date, the Federal Election
Commission could require profits in excess of $2,300 (the
maximum individual donation allowed) to be distributed to
the Republican Party! So the Ron Paul Dollar was created as
an "independent contribution" and is distributed through the
grassroots Volunteer Network.

JCT: The only candidate who can be busted.

As von NotHaus explains, "Even though I know and respect Ron
Paul for his free market philosophy, I did not take his
campaign seriously until our mutual friend G. Edward Griffin
mentioned his support. It got me thinking about how I could
support Ron's campaign, then Nic Leobold suggested a Ron
Paul Dollar and the project took off."

JCT: Poor Dr. Griffin, being credited with the iceberg they
plan to use to sink his campaign.

IMPORTANT: If you don't do anything else, please link your
site to www.RonPaulDollar.com site to enhance the site's
rating with Google. Thanks!
The Ron Paul Dollar is not only the most valuable and daring
secret weapon against the big lies of big money and their
big party politics. It is an honest campaign tool that can
put an honest man in the White House.... for a change.
It is time to return our country to the values that made it
great. It is time for Constitutionalism!
Please take action. Join the revolution. Tell your friends
about the Truth. Tell them about the Ron Paul Dollar... And
Vote for Truth... Vote for Ron Paul.
On this very special national holiday - declare your
Independence from the politically controlled government!
Call somebody, anybody, about Ron Paul.
Make a donation.

JCT: Help sink his campaign with a booby-trapped donation.

Get a Ron Paul Dollar. Demand your local
newspaper/television cover the Ron Paul Revolution. We can
free America, again. Happy Independence Day 2007!
Click HERE for Rate Schedule for gold, silver and copper Ron
Paul Dollars.
Please call: 888.LIB.DOLLAR or 888.421.6181 for more info or
to order Ron
Paul Dollars by phone using your bankcard.

GOLD
Of course the $1000 Gold Ron Paul Dollar speaks for itself.
It also speaks for Congressman Ron Paul long held belief and
deep respect for the Gold Standard. His monetary ideals are
shared with everyone in the Liberty Dollar community. For
over thirty years Ron Paul has been a champion for the very
values - both monetary and personal - that made America a
great country. Nothing could better identify Ron Paul than
the beautiful Gold Dollar.

JCT: You only have to read David Astle's Babylonian Woe to
know the history of the Gold Standard. See my book
reports section at my home page.

The $1000 Gold Ron Paul Dollar measures 32 mm and contains
one Troy ounce of .9999 fine gold. The obverse die features
the same design and ultra high engraving quality as on the
$20 Silver Dollar.

JCT: Just like real argent but really argent Provocateur.

The reverse features the standard $1000 reverse die that is
on the current Gold Liberty. The dies and minting are of the
finest mintwork. Not many Gold Dollars are anticipated
although the volume price is very similar to the US Mint
Gold Buffalos and Eagles. To capitalize on the uniqueness of
the Gold Ron Paul Dollar, each Gold Dollar will be
individually numbered, hallmarked and encapsulated in the
order placed. Please order now while gold is down and get
one of the first numbers.
Please call 888.LIB.DOLLAR or 888.421.6181 for a current
quote as all Gold Ron Paul Dollars are available from 10 to
only 5% over Sunshine gold quote for Liberty Associates and
registered Liberty Merchants. This item is not available on
line. Delivery could be immediate or take up to 30 days
depending on available stock and size of order.

SILVER
The $20 Silver Ron Paul Dollar measures 39 mm and contains
one Troy ounce of .999 fine silver. The design of obverse
die is the same as the Copper Dollar but was engraved from
custom hand sculptured masters and exemplifies the finest
work. The reverse is also a special custom die with VOTE FOR
TRUTH across the top. Together the two highly polished dies
plus the minting in Brilliant Uncirculated condition has
produced an outstanding product of unique value. The
denomination on the reverse is $20 Liberty Dollars.

FIRST DAY OF ISSUE: In addition to the outstanding Brilliant
Uncirculated $20 Silver Ron Paul Dollar - 1,000 Silver
Dollars have been reserved for First Day of Issue. Only one
thousand will be specially hand marked with a unique micro
hallmark of a scroll with BOR to signify Ron Paul's respect
for the Bill of Rights. In addition to the BOR hallmark,
each First Day of Issue will also be hand marked with the
mintmark to balance the design. Only 1,000 FDI are
available. Each will be specially packaged in a capsule.
Price: $45 each.

LIMITED NUMBERED EDITION: Certainly the most outstanding
example of the $20 Silver Ron Paul Dollar is the Limited
Numbered Edition for the First Day of Issue. Only 1,000
Silvers will be numbered 0001 through 1000 in the order
issued. Each will contain the unique micro hallmark of a
scroll with BOR signifying Ron Paul's respect for the Bill
of Rights. Each will be packaged in a special capsule and
gift bag for safe-keeping. Price: $55 each.

COPPER
The $1 Copper Ron Paul Dollar measures 39 mm and contains
one Avoirdupois ounce of pure copper. It is the same size as
the Silver Liberty and slightly larger than an old US Silver
Dollar. The obverse die features Congressman Ron Paul facing
left with the motto: GOLD STANDARD IN LEADERSHIP and list of
the Congressman's achievements. The reverse die is the same
design as on the original Copper Liberty Dollar with the ONE
DOLLAR denomination. Now, while the price of copper down,
special pre-orders for the $1 Copper Ron Paul Dollar are now
being accepted. This is for pre-orders only. Additional
orders will not be taken if the copper market roars back to
life. Pre-orders will be shipped in November. Minimum order
is ten Coppers. Maximum order is 100 Coppers.
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Disclaimer | 888.421.6181 | 225 N Stockwell Rd | Evansville,
IN | 47715 | info@...

JCT: So again, why use a currency that incurs action by the
federal government when you can avoid it by having a clear
distinction between your currency and the Crown's? Why
create currency in a way ensured to incur charges?

Let's see if Ron Paul falls for it. Hope not but what can he
do when this argent provocateur lands in his donations box?


--
Abolitionist Debt Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer"
Turmel for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution
C6 to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel USENET blog: alt.fan.john-turmel



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