Hello to Everyone:


This is a invitation to participate in the co-writing and co-editing of a
comprehensive text on the science of unitary human beings.

The intended purpose of wiki is two fold:

1) to bring together a collaborative participatory community to co-create a
definitive comprehensive explication of the SUHB;

2) to create an online resource that anyone can access for all those who want to
learn about how Rogerian nursing science serves as a foundation for nursing
research, practice, education, and administration.

I have proposed a Table of Contents for the online text, which is open for
discussion and revision.

All I've done so far is create the site, write an introduction and title the
text (see Title Page).

There will be an article on wikis I've written that will be in the next issue of
Visions. The article explains how wikis work, how they are consistent with
Rogerian participatory epistemology, and how a wiki illuminates principles of a
Rogerian-based pedagogy.

This wiki will be a work in progress . . . continually evolving and growing in
depth an diversity as the Rogerian community adds to its content.

You can access the site at:

http://rogeriannursingscience.wikispaces.com/

If you want to be a member of the Rogerian wiki site so you can edit, add to,
expand, and improve the content, email me.

Anyone will be able to read the content, whether they are a participant or not,
by linking to the site.

Welcome to the new age of Rogerian Science . . .We are in the age of
collaboration and knowing participation in change. . . the age of mutual
process.

Are you ready?


See:

http://rogeriannursingscience.wikispaces.com/


Howard Karl Butcher, RN; PhD, APRN, BC
Associate Professor
442NB
The University of Iowa College of Nursing
Iowa City, Iowa 52242-1121
319-335-7039
howard-butcher@...




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dear Kim and all; I would love to see your presentation and I hope you  are
going to submit it to AHNA as well - it sounds wonderful.

I have been away in Japan for three and a half weeks and have just  begun to
catch up on the mountains of email. I too hope the listserv continues -  while
I don't always contribute I find the conversations largely interesting,
stimulating and useful

Were the conference presentations put on the web site? And can you tell me
again how to access it (It has been a long time since I have I am sorry to
say).

I also spent some time with Hideko Minikeshi. She and a translator she
arranged to take me to Kobe to visit with a psychiatric nurse who is one if  a
very
few advanced practice psych nurses in Japan and one who is  doing consolation
liaison work. Hideko is working with others who use a Newman  framework on
smoking cessation. Hideko has attended several Rogerian  conferences as well as
International Caring Conferences in the past


Best to all
  Rorry Zahourek
.
  , In a message dated 10/19/2007 12:49:01 PM Eastern Daylight  Time,
Kelly.Rutherford@... writes:




Kim,

If you could add your notes to the Speaker's Notes section in  PPT, you
could post and we could view in PPT edit.

Kelly D.  Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C.  Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok  74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

_Kelly.Rutherford@Kelly._ (mailto:Kelly.Rutherford@...)

________________________________

From:  _Martha_E_Rogers@Martha_E_RogMar_
(mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com)
[mailto:_Martha_E_Rogers@Martha_E_RogMar_
(mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of streamsitter
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:33 AM
To: _Martha_E_Rogers@Martha_E_RogMar_
(mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com)
Subject:  [Martha_E_Rogers] Re: Another attempt to revitalize  the
listserver

Hi all,
To add to what others have already said  about the conference, it
was great! I was one of the presenters and want  to apologize up front
for not posting my powerpoint about complex holism.  My powerpoint was
mostly pictures without a lot of text, and it would be  hard to get
the meaning of my presentation without having been  there...something
I will consider for future presentations!
While I was  not able to attend Howard Butcher's Friday presentation
on the SUHB: Back  to Basics, in reviewing his powerpoint I was very
impressed with what a  great resource it would be for students or
anyone needing a quick  reference or review of SUHB. I also found his
handout of "Readings to  Immerse In" great, and I hope he posts both
in our files section. In the  latter handout he includes a section
about selected authors and science  texts that "Martha is
reading"...when I get home this weekend I could add  some of the
references that conference participants mentioned that might  be of
interest.
I was able to attend Jane Flanagan and Dorothy Jones'  presentation:
Integration of Newman's Praxis Method in a Masters Program  in an
Adult Health Program. Jane described how she had nurse practitioner
students "assess" clients through both a problem solving approach
using Gordon's Functional Health Assessment (1994) and through a
process oriented approach using Newman's (1999) praxis methodology.
The students journalled about each approach, and Jane presented some
of their insights. About half of her students in this NP class wanted
to continue Newman's process in their practice upon graduation and
were negotiating this either through private practice or as a
condition of employment. Impressive!
Gotta run, hope to contribute more  later-
Kim Stiles

--- In _Martha_E_Rogers@Martha_E_RogMar_
(mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com)
<mailto:Martha_mailto:Mamailto:Martha_mai>  , "Thomas Cox PhD, RN"
<tc_spirit@.tc> wrote:
>
>  Hi All,
>
> Well, the response to that other email was, to say  the least, a bit
disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they  want the LS
to continue - but little effort to stimulate or sustain  dialogue...
>
> But, perhaps we can correct this if people who  attended the
conference at CW the last few days would be good enough to
share/dialogue about their experiences - informing those of us who
did  not attend and those who may not even have known about it, what
happened,  and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts, etc....
Doesn't need to  be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
presenters, the  titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of
presentations which I  could put on the web... be creative and
entrepreneurial!en
>
> The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current
dialogue, merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The
occasional spam email to the LS should ensure the continued existence
of the history of the LS, but it isn't quite what I had in mind...
>
> My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they  ought to
be lively settings for encounters, not merely repositories for  old
emails.
>
> Bear
>
>
> [Non-text  portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions  of this message have been removed]









************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,
Sorry it took awhile for me to follow through, re-entry was one
deadline after another with an earthquake thrown in to keep life
exciting (for this east-coast native, my California friends yawned
through it :-)
The Conference schedule that I posted lists the topics and presenters
at the conference in more detail than the brochure, thought it might
help for networking purposes-
Cheers!
Kim Stiles, PhD
Asst. Professor Nursing
Ohlone College, Fremont, CA


--- In Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com,
Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Martha_E_Rogers
> group.
>
>   File        : /SRS 2007 Conference schedule.pdf
>   Uploaded by : streamsitter <streamsitter@...>
>   Description : 2007 SRS Conference Schedule
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Martha_E_Rogers/files/SRS%202007%
20Conference%20schedule.pdf
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
>
> Regards,
>
> streamsitter <streamsitter@...>
>

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Martha_E_Rogers
group.

   File        : /SRS 2007 Conference schedule.pdf
   Uploaded by : streamsitter <streamsitter@...>
   Description : 2007 SRS Conference Schedule

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Martha_E_Rogers/files/SRS%202007%20Conference%20sc\
hedule.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

streamsitter <streamsitter@...>

Fran, I apologize for the long delay in responding to you. I have forwarded your
message to Marlaine Smith and Barbara Wright, two other SRS Board members. I
will let you know what transpires after they consider your proposal. In the
meantime, please let your artist colleague know that we very much appreciate the
offer. Best regards, Jacqui


________________________________

From: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Francis Biley
Sent: Thu 10/18/2007 4:01 PM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager



Jacqui, you will remember that I raised the issue last year in Ohio, as even
then I was having trouble maintaining the website (primarily as I was unable to
gain webmaster/authoring access). At that time the SRS positively considered
supporting getting help for a redesign - even though the website was and still
is and independent creation. I was grateful for the support, but never managed
to follow through with any redesign due to my overwhelming commitments over the
past couple of years.

I spoke to an artist colleague of mine today, who also runs a web design
business, and he informed me that he could redesign the site for between
£500-£1000 (one off fee), depending on the complexity (and it isnt a very
complex site, so the smaller figure is more likely), and for an annual fee of
between £60-£120 he could maintain the site, pay server fees (although there may
be an additional £60 or so depending on the amount of traffic), maintain the
domain name and provide user stats/updates and so on. His hourly rate is about
£35. Overall, he will do special rates for me, so there may be some scope for
price negotiation. You might like to look at his own website, which I think
looks very nice:

http://www.theeleventhhour.co.uk/ <http://www.theeleventhhour.co.uk/>

and

http://www.creativecrows.co.uk/ <http://www.creativecrows.co.uk/>

That he is based in the UK should not be a problem as he does design for the US
market.

I have no objection to the SRS taking as much content from my pages as they want
(or from Bear's mirror pages - if he doesnt object), but I am afraid I still
dont have time to write all the html codes as I have done in the past (or do the
Frontpage equivalent). I do think that if everything could be brought together
(Visions hosting, discussion group, and so on, then that would be great).

As for the LS, I can keep it (the Yahoo site) going if Bear bows out (I am
co-moderator after all although Bear has done all the work up to now), or I can
revive the JISC listserv site 'nurse-rogers'.

Hope this helps, Fran

----- Original Message ----
From: Jacqueline Fawcett <jacqueline.fawcett@...
<mailto:jacqueline.fawcett%40umb.edu> >
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Martha_E_Rogers%40yahoogroups.com> ;
Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Martha_E_Rogers%40yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Martha_E_Rogers%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:45:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Colleagues, The issue of listservs and web site for Rogers is an ongoing one
that requires someone from SRS to take on this project. We have some funds that
the SRS board may be willing to expend for a website but we still need someone
to do the work. Any ideas? Best regards, Jacqui

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com on behalf of William Cowling WRCOWLIN
Sent: Wed 10/17/2007 4:46 PM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Fran and Bear:

I appreciate all that the two of you have done over the years to create
and maintain various listservs and homepages. You have done an excellent
job.

I think it is great that Fran is willing and I support his offer to do a
listserv.

In terms of the home page, I also think Fran is being honest to say it is
time someone else took this on. Maybe it is time to ask SRS to develop a
website like many other organizations do.

I will think more on options too.

Richard

W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
Professor and Director PhD Program
Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
School of Nursing
University of North Carolina Greensboro
P.O. Box 26170
Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
Phone: 336-334-4785
FAX: 336-334-3628

Francis Biley <sys812000@yahoo. co.uk <mailto:sys812000% 40yahoo.co. uk> >
Sent by: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Martha_ E_Rogers%
40yahoogroups. com>
10/17/2007 04:31 PM
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To
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cc

Subject
Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Its been pretty totally inactive for years, ever since the NYU Rogers
listserv battle, so if a decision is made to revive it, I will get out
details, otherwise, best kept quiet for the moment as things will get real
complicated. ...the ship hasnt quite sunk yet...

F

----- Original Message ----
From: "Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov <mailto:Kelly. Rutherford%
40va.gov> >
To: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Martha_ E_Rogers% 40yahoogroups.
com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator
and WebManager

I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS. Please advise how to join.

Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok 74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov

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Kim,



If you could add your notes to the Speaker's Notes section in PPT, you
could post and we could view in PPT edit.



Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok  74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax:    918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@...





________________________________

From: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of streamsitter
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 10:33 AM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Martha_E_Rogers] Re: Another attempt to revitalize the
listserver



Hi all,
To add to what others have already said about the conference, it
was great! I was one of the presenters and want to apologize up front
for not posting my powerpoint about complex holism. My powerpoint was
mostly pictures without a lot of text, and it would be hard to get
the meaning of my presentation without having been there...something
I will consider for future presentations!
While I was not able to attend Howard Butcher's Friday presentation
on the SUHB: Back to Basics, in reviewing his powerpoint I was very
impressed with what a great resource it would be for students or
anyone needing a quick reference or review of SUHB. I also found his
handout of "Readings to Immerse In" great, and I hope he posts both
in our files section. In the latter handout he includes a section
about selected authors and science texts that "Martha is
reading"...when I get home this weekend I could add some of the
references that conference participants mentioned that might be of
interest.
I was able to attend Jane Flanagan and Dorothy Jones' presentation:
Integration of Newman's Praxis Method in a Masters Program in an
Adult Health Program. Jane described how she had nurse practitioner
students "assess" clients through both a problem solving approach
using Gordon's Functional Health Assessment (1994) and through a
process oriented approach using Newman's (1999) praxis methodology.
The students journalled about each approach, and Jane presented some
of their insights. About half of her students in this NP class wanted
to continue Newman's process in their practice upon graduation and
were negotiating this either through private practice or as a
condition of employment. Impressive!
Gotta run, hope to contribute more later-
Kim Stiles


--- In Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Martha_E_Rogers%40yahoogroups.com> , "Thomas Cox PhD, RN"
<tc_spirit@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Well, the response to that other email was, to say the least, a bit
disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they want the LS
to continue - but little effort to stimulate or sustain dialogue...
>
> But, perhaps we can correct this if people who attended the
conference at CW the last few days would be good enough to
share/dialogue about their experiences - informing those of us who
did not attend and those who may not even have known about it, what
happened, and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts, etc....
Doesn't need to be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
presenters, the titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of
presentations which I could put on the web... be creative and
entrepreneurial!!!
>
> The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current
dialogue, merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The
occasional spam email to the LS should ensure the continued existence
of the history of the LS, but it isn't quite what I had in mind...
>
> My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they ought to
be lively settings for encounters, not merely repositories for old
emails.
>
> Bear
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all,
   To add to what others have already said about the conference, it
was great! I was one of the presenters and want to apologize up front
for not posting my powerpoint about complex holism. My powerpoint was
mostly pictures without a lot of text, and it would be hard to get
the meaning of my presentation without having been there...something
I will consider for future presentations!
   While I was not able to attend Howard Butcher's Friday presentation
on the SUHB: Back to Basics, in reviewing his powerpoint I was very
impressed with what a great resource it would be for students or
anyone needing a quick reference or review of SUHB. I also found his
handout of "Readings to Immerse In" great, and I hope he posts both
in our files section. In the latter handout he includes a section
about selected authors and science texts that "Martha is
reading"...when I get home this weekend I could add some of the
references that conference participants mentioned that might be of
interest.
   I was able to attend Jane Flanagan and Dorothy Jones' presentation:
Integration of Newman's Praxis Method in a Masters Program in an
Adult Health Program. Jane described how she had nurse practitioner
students "assess" clients through both a problem solving approach
using Gordon's Functional Health Assessment (1994) and through a
process oriented approach using Newman's (1999) praxis methodology.
The students journalled about each approach, and Jane presented some
of their insights. About half of her students in this NP class wanted
to continue Newman's process in their practice upon graduation and
were negotiating this either through private practice or as a
condition of employment. Impressive!
   Gotta run, hope to contribute more later-
Kim Stiles



--- In Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Cox PhD, RN"
<tc_spirit@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Well, the response to that other email was, to say the least, a bit
disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they want the LS
to continue - but little effort to stimulate or sustain dialogue...
>
> But, perhaps we can correct this if people who attended the
conference at CW the last few days would be good enough to
share/dialogue about their experiences - informing those of us who
did not attend and those who may not even have known about it, what
happened, and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts, etc....
Doesn't need to be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
presenters, the titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of
presentations which I could put on the web... be creative and
entrepreneurial!!!
>
> The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current
dialogue, merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The
occasional spam email to the LS should ensure the continued existence
of the history of the LS, but it isn't quite what I had in mind...
>
> My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they ought to
be lively settings for encounters, not merely repositories for old
emails.
>
> Bear
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Jacqui, you will remember that I raised the issue last year in Ohio, as even
then I was having trouble maintaining the website (primarily as I was unable to
gain webmaster/authoring access). At that time the SRS positively considered
supporting getting help for a redesign - even though the website was and still
is and independent creation. I was grateful for the support, but never managed
to follow through with any redesign due to my overwhelming commitments over the
past couple of years.

I spoke to an artist colleague of mine today, who also runs a web design
business, and he informed me that he could redesign the site for between
£500-£1000 (one off fee), depending on the complexity (and it isnt a very
complex site, so the smaller figure is more likely), and for an annual fee of
between £60-£120 he could maintain the site, pay server fees (although there may
be an additional £60 or so depending on the amount of traffic), maintain the
domain name and provide user stats/updates and so on. His hourly rate is about
£35. Overall, he will do special rates for me, so there may be some scope for
price negotiation. You might like to look at his own website, which I think
looks very nice:

http://www.theeleventhhour.co.uk/

and

http://www.creativecrows.co.uk/

That he is based in the UK should not be a problem as he does design for the US
market.

I have no objection to the SRS taking as much content from my pages as they want
(or from Bear's mirror pages - if he doesnt object), but I am afraid I still
dont have time to write all the html codes as I have done in the past (or do the
Frontpage equivalent). I do think that if everything could be brought together
(Visions hosting, discussion group, and so on, then that would be great).

As for the LS, I can keep it (the Yahoo site) going if Bear bows out (I am
co-moderator after all although Bear has done all the work up to now), or I can
revive the JISC listserv site 'nurse-rogers'.

Hope this helps, Fran




----- Original Message ----
From: Jacqueline Fawcett <jacqueline.fawcett@...>
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com; Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:45:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Colleagues, The issue of listservs and web site for Rogers is an ongoing one
that requires someone from SRS to take on this project. We have some funds that
the SRS board may be willing to expend for a website but we still need someone
to do the work. Any ideas? Best regards, Jacqui

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com on behalf of William Cowling WRCOWLIN
Sent: Wed 10/17/2007 4:46 PM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Fran and Bear:

I appreciate all that the two of you have done over the years to create
and maintain various listservs and homepages. You have done an excellent
job.

I think it is great that Fran is willing and I support his offer to do a
listserv.

In terms of the home page, I also think Fran is being honest to say it is
time someone else took this on. Maybe it is time to ask SRS to develop a
website like many other organizations do.

I will think more on options too.

Richard

W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
Professor and Director PhD Program
Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
School of Nursing
University of North Carolina Greensboro
P.O. Box 26170
Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
Phone: 336-334-4785
FAX: 336-334-3628

Francis Biley <sys812000@yahoo. co.uk <mailto:sys812000% 40yahoo.co. uk> >
Sent by: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Martha_ E_Rogers%
40yahoogroups. com>
10/17/2007 04:31 PM
Please respond to
Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Martha_ E_Rogers% 40yahoogroups. com>

To
Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Martha_ E_Rogers% 40yahoogroups. com>
cc

Subject
Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Its been pretty totally inactive for years, ever since the NYU Rogers
listserv battle, so if a decision is made to revive it, I will get out
details, otherwise, best kept quiet for the moment as things will get real
complicated. ...the ship hasnt quite sunk yet...

F

----- Original Message ----
From: "Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov <mailto:Kelly. Rutherford%
40va.gov> >
To: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:Martha_ E_Rogers% 40yahoogroups.
com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator
and WebManager

I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS. Please advise how to join.

Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok 74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov

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Colleagues, The issue of listservs and web site for Rogers is an ongoing one
that requires someone from SRS to take on this project. We have some funds that
the SRS board may be willing to expend for a website but we still need someone
to do the work. Any ideas? Best regards, Jacqui

________________________________

From: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of William Cowling WRCOWLIN
Sent: Wed 10/17/2007 4:46 PM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager



Fran and Bear:

I appreciate all that the two of you have done over the years to create
and maintain various listservs and homepages. You have done an excellent
job.

I think it is great that Fran is willing and I support his offer to do a
listserv.

In terms of the home page, I also think Fran is being honest to say it is
time someone else took this on. Maybe it is time to ask SRS to develop a
website like many other organizations do.

I will think more on options too.

Richard

W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
Professor and Director PhD Program
Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
School of Nursing
University of North Carolina Greensboro
P.O. Box 26170
Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
Phone: 336-334-4785
FAX: 336-334-3628

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cc

Subject
Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Its been pretty totally inactive for years, ever since the NYU Rogers
listserv battle, so if a decision is made to revive it, I will get out
details, otherwise, best kept quiet for the moment as things will get real
complicated....the ship hasnt quite sunk yet...

F

----- Original Message ----
From: "Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@...
<mailto:Kelly.Rutherford%40va.gov> >
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Martha_E_Rogers%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator
and WebManager

I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS. Please advise how to join.

Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok 74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov

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Fran and Bear:

I appreciate all that the two of you have done over the years to create
and maintain various listservs and homepages.  You have done an excellent
job.

I think it is great that Fran is willing and I support his offer to do a
listserv.

In terms of the home page, I also think Fran is being honest to say it is
time someone else took this on.  Maybe it is time to ask SRS to develop a
website like many other organizations do.

I will think more on options too.

Richard


W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
Professor and Director PhD Program
Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
School of Nursing
University of North Carolina Greensboro
P.O. Box 26170
Greensboro, NC  27402-6170
Phone: 336-334-4785
FAX: 336-334-3628



Francis Biley <sys812000@...>
Sent by: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
10/17/2007 04:31 PM
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Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com


To
Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
cc

Subject
Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager









Its been pretty totally inactive for years, ever since the NYU Rogers
listserv battle, so if a decision is made to revive it, I will get out
details, otherwise, best kept quiet for the moment as things will get real
complicated....the ship hasnt quite sunk yet...

F

----- Original Message ----
From: "Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@...>
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator
and WebManager

I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS. Please advise how to join.

Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok 74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov

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Oh what the hell:

http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=NURSE-ROGERS&X=&Y=

May need to play about with that URL to get it working. Apparently its got 129
members!

F


----- Original Message ----
From: Francis Biley <sys812000@...>
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:30:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Its been pretty totally inactive for years, ever since the NYU Rogers listserv
battle, so if a decision is made to revive it, I will get out details,
otherwise, best kept quiet for the moment as things will get real complicated.
...the ship hasnt quite sunk yet...

F

----- Original Message ----
From: "Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov>
To: Martha_E_Rogers@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS. Please advise how to join.

Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok 74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov

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Its been pretty totally inactive for years, ever since the NYU Rogers listserv
battle, so if a decision is made to revive it, I will get out details,
otherwise, best kept quiet for the moment as things will get real
complicated....the ship hasnt quite sunk yet...

F


----- Original Message ----
From: "Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@...>
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:14:53 PM
Subject: RE: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS. Please advise how to join.

Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok 74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax: 918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@ va.gov

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I'm not familiar with the nurse-rogers LS.  Please advise how to join.



Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok  74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax:    918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@...







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Bear, I can take over the helm of the LS...or the nurse-rogers LS still exists
if we want to transfer back to that? (that would be the best bet - it is the
oldest and first of the Rogers LSs, I can run it free through the UK university
network).

But at the moment, with my young family, I cannot continue with running the
homepage, I did it since the early 90s and I think it is CRITICAL for the
development and maintainance of Rogerian Science.

Fran


----- Original Message ----
From: "Thomas Cox PhD, RN" <tc_spirit@...>
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:59:11 PM
Subject: [Martha_E_Rogers] Call for volunteers - Listserver moderator and
WebManager

Hi All,

I understand the demands all of us have on our time. There are two things that I
feel are important to address but I suspect I am in a minority and I am going to
let go of what I tend to believe is my over-investment in the outcomes... In
short, I think something needs to be done but it isn't happening and it is time
for me to let go.

One of the thorny issues is that there is no real relationship between the two
electronic resources and the SRS - the website was developed by Fran and the
listserver was sponsored by Fran and me. That gap need not exist going forward
as neither Fran nor I are making any claims to ownership, but somebody needs to
step up and assume responsibility for the stewardship of these resources going
forward.

1. The MER homepage which has brought Martha and the SUHB to internet surfers
for approximately 15 years is in legacy mode. When Fran first told me that he
was going to Bournemouth in the Spring, I realized that a new home would be
needed if the site was going to continue to be available. The website will, at a
time uncertain, simply cease to exist because Fran is no longer at Cardiff.
Neither Fran nor anyone else can make changes to the current site, so a new site
and a new web manager are needed if the page is going to be saved from being an
anachronism, or worse, simply non-existent. There are 128 files and a bit over
15 MB of space needed to transfer the site to a new host. Ideally the new host
should be windows server compliant for some of the things to operate properly
which my server is not. Many schools will make space available to a faculty
member to host such a site and some may even be able to go a step further and
provide some help to the
  faculty member sponsor
with some of the updating. But it doesn't have to be a faculty member who takes
on the role of web manager, just someone willing to do the legwork to find a new
home and do the work that needs to be done.

I have, as I have mentioned previously, taken the step of making a backup of the
site as it exists at the moment. I can provide the files to someone willing to
take on the role of Web Manager or that person can, if they do so before the
site disappears, get it directly from Cardiff withOUT the assistance of anyone
there.

Unfortunately the "internet archive" does not have all the files needed to
recreate the site - it only has 17 pages. This transition should occur asap
since it would probably be a lot easier to download the entire site into the new
location. I think that it is possible to get updated weblinks if the transfer is
done from Wales rather than my copy but that would be a good question for the
new web manager to ask the site that is chosen as host.

Ideally the new web manager will have the time, energy, and commitment to
contact other site managers who have links pointing to the old site and provide
new links, work to generate traffic to the site, and upgrade and clean up some
sections of the site so the page continues to serve the community well... It
would also probably be a good idea to have the Visions repository on the new
site. I have my own ideas about what I would like to see happen but this will be
at the discretion of the new web manager.

2. I have been honchoing the listserver for 4 years and I suspect it is a good
time for me to take a break from it. Ideally a new moderator will be able to
stimulate new activity. The role is pretty simple - it just takes a little time
and effort: removing spammers, make sure people's posts that are flagged as spam
are released, help people join, help people by posting files such as papers
written, announcements of conferences, etc, cleaning up outdated files,
recruiting new members, respond to occasional requests for information and
resources because your name becomes a focal point, and trying to make it a good
place to hang out for experts and amateurs alike. Well that's what I think needs
to be done. Other people may disagree and it will really be the call of the new
moderator as to what gets done.

I think a good time frame for a new ls moderator and new web manager would be
November 1, 2007 and I will plan to take a hiatus from the LS at that time.

bear

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Hi All,

I understand the demands all of us have on our time. There are two things that I
feel are important to address but I suspect I am in a minority and I am going to
let go of what I tend to believe is my over-investment in the outcomes... In
short, I think something needs to be done but it isn't happening and it is time
for me to let go.

One of the thorny issues is that there is no real relationship between the two
electronic resources and the SRS - the website was developed by Fran and the
listserver was sponsored by Fran and me. That gap need not exist going forward
as neither Fran nor I are making any claims to ownership, but somebody needs to
step up and assume responsibility for the stewardship of these resources going
forward.

1. The MER homepage which has brought Martha and the SUHB to internet surfers
for approximately 15 years is in legacy mode. When Fran first told me that he
was going to Bournemouth in the Spring, I realized that a new home would be
needed if the site was going to continue to be available. The website will, at a
time uncertain, simply cease to exist because Fran is no longer at Cardiff.
Neither Fran nor anyone else can make changes to the current site, so a new site
and a new web manager are needed if the page is going to be saved from being an
anachronism, or worse, simply non-existent. There are 128 files and a bit over
15 MB of space needed to transfer the site to a new host. Ideally the new host
should be windows server compliant for some of the things to operate properly
which my server is not. Many schools will make space available to a faculty
member to host such a site and some may even be able to go a step further and
provide some help to the faculty member sponsor
  with some of the updating. But it doesn't have to be a faculty member who takes
on the role of web manager, just someone willing to do the legwork to find a new
home and do the work that needs to be done.

I have, as I have mentioned previously, taken the step of making a backup of the
site as it exists at the moment. I can provide the files to someone willing to
take on the role of Web Manager or that person can, if they do so before the
site disappears, get it directly from Cardiff withOUT the assistance of anyone
there.

Unfortunately the "internet archive" does not have all the files needed to
recreate the site - it only has 17 pages. This transition should occur asap
since it would probably be a lot easier to download the entire site into the new
location. I think that it is possible to get updated weblinks if the transfer is
done from Wales rather than my copy but that would be a good question for the
new web manager to ask the site that is chosen as host.

Ideally the new web manager will have the time, energy, and commitment to
contact other site managers who have links pointing to the old site and provide
new links, work to generate traffic to the site, and upgrade and clean up some
sections of the site so the page continues to serve the community well... It
would also probably be a good idea to have the Visions repository on the new
site. I have my own ideas about what I would like to see happen but this will be
at the discretion of the new web manager.

2. I have been honchoing the listserver for 4 years and I suspect it is a good
time for me to take a break from it. Ideally a new moderator will be able to
stimulate new activity. The role is pretty simple - it just takes a little time
and effort: removing spammers, make sure people's posts that are flagged as spam
are released, help people join, help people by posting files such as papers
written, announcements of conferences, etc, cleaning up outdated files,
recruiting new members, respond to occasional requests for information and
resources because your name becomes a focal point, and trying to make it a good
place to hang out for experts and amateurs alike. Well that's what I think needs
to be done. Other people may disagree and it will really be the call of the new
moderator as to what gets done.

I think a good time frame for a new ls moderator and new web manager would be
November 1, 2007 and I will plan to take a hiatus from the LS at that time.

bear


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Hey Kelly,

Wikipedia is where I have always told my students to start their quests - sort
of on the model you suggested of not getting so far ahead of them to make it
impossible for them to see how one got where one is. Reminds me of my old days
of being a math major - so many classes i sat through where I had no idea how
the teacher got to where they were - I imagine it is pretty similar for a lot of
nursing students...

We have incredible resources - we don't have to rely on wikipedia, although we
should not ignore it. The problem is that our electronic resources are not being
well used - they exist, frozen in time, because too many people have too many
better things to do. (Richard - that does not refer to you - it is true of all
of us).

Fran Biley did a great service to SRS and nursing by creating the MER homepage.
The page will likely disappear but it was already very dated. The listserver is
another great resource but it doesn't get used anywhere near its capabilities to
generate interest, communication, sharing, interaction.

I have the repository for Visions on my website and would gladly make more space
available if people would contribute materials to it - but such contributions
are few and far between, sapping the energy necessary to keep at it.

Organizations, groups, people either keep growing and exploiting their resources
or they grow stale, irrelevant, and eventually die. One conference a year and a
few articles, both of which are accessible to a very small number of people, is
just not sufficient in an age when people can get so many other up to date
resources on other nursing paradigms, theories, perspectives. If you do a yahoo
search on "Therapeutic Touch" 6 of the first 20 hits are for skeptic websites.
Obviously MER and SRS are not defined by TT but it is sad that people who have
almost no stake in the way others see these issues are framing a significant
part of the information available to novices.

I think a project to bring a new, up to date, primer on SUHB would be a great
idea - it would take a lot of work but if a lot of people would take a small
part of the project on, it could be done really quickly - it would take some
work on an outline and then having individuals contribute to sections of the
outline with text, powerpoints, papers that may be unpublished or which can be
housed in an online repository - i can set up websites for any individual and
many publishers allow an author to have an archive of their own papers...

just takes people stepping up...

bear



"Rutherford, Kelly D" <Kelly.Rutherford@...> wrote:
Thanks Bear,

  Thought you might like the sleeping together ref.

  And thank you for taking off the Teacher Hat and not slamming my use of
  Wikipedia.  On that note, there is no article on our Martha Rogers or
  the SUHB in Wikipedia.  Could be a LS project...  Bigger audience and
  all that, could point some students (you know they use it) to better
  resources.

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Great idea. I would have loved to attend, but I presented elsewhere and
could not afford the time and resources to go to SRS. I'm like Richard; I've
been viewing but not participating due to competing priorities. But Rogerian
science is still in my heart and mind.  Valerie Eschiti



From: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Dorothy Woods
Smith
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:09 AM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM]Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Martha_E_Rogers] Another attempt to
revitalize the listserver



Would it be possible to videotape or film the presentations next year?
I would be interested in viewing them online, or purchasing one or
more...





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Thanks Bear,



Thought you might like the sleeping together ref.



And thank you for taking off the Teacher Hat and not slamming my use of
Wikipedia.  On that note, there is no article on our Martha Rogers or
the SUHB in Wikipedia.  Could be a LS project...  Bigger audience and
all that, could point some students (you know they use it) to better
resources.



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Kelly,

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It reminded me of my early days on the list. My schedule was so demanding and
the interest in rogers at my school, so limited that my good fortune was that i
didn't know any of the people on the list were famous or any better informed
than i was. Had I known I might have been intimidated myself and would never met
all the great folks I have. When i first started posting I assumed that everyone
was just like me - starting on empty...

The dichotomy between the haves and have nots is critical and as you note with
regard to your work project, there is only irrational justification that stands
in the way of making the ls more than it has been. One of the most difficult
things for those who have access to journals, books, and conferences seems to be
any grasp at all that telling a newbie who asks for information, to look for an
already published, or soon to be published, article that the asker may never
see, or which may become available to them only long after the point that it
would be helpful, is just a discount.

For the record, and hopefully to be as clear as possible, most newbies are
likely ASN or BSN students, from schools with very limited Rogers related
resources, who are working on a severely constrained time frame. they need to do
a presentation or paper on Rogers tomorrow or next week. They do not have the
luxury of waiting for a new article to come out, or for an interlibrary loan
article or book to reach them.

In many ways, the dominant approach being taken is quite similar to the
caricature of the nurses who sit around the nurse's station, eating snacks and
discussing recipes, while the patient's bells are ringing, and the patient's
needs are going unmet. The newbies, many of whom come and go, often without
posting, and quite often without even signing up for regular ls mailings, are
being lost as future SRS members because what they experience is that their
needs are not being responded to and certainly not being met by those who they
think could so easily do so. They aren't looking for the most convoluted
explanations - they want something very concrete that they can bring to class
and say: "This is how Rogers theory impacts nurses and clients."

When i did my presentation on Rogers I did so with a partner. He went first and
presented all the information I had dug up, leaving me with virtually nothing to
say to a class of 30 who were already manifesting the typical signs of theory
presentation overload after 2 hours of boring, dull, lifeless presentations
about when a theorist was born, where they went to nursing school, where they
worked and strained efforts to summarize the basic tenets of their work. I spent
the last 5 minutes of his part of our presentation trying to figure out what I
could possibly do to not look like a complete idiot. Just as he was wrapping up
I remembered a simple exercise I had learned at Esalen where you have people rub
their hands together and then partner up with someone and feel the energy from
each others hands. Not everyone got it but about half the students did, and some
really got into it which was as rare as hen's teeth in my BSN program. People
were actually animated, talking
  about the experience, and smiling. That is the kind of thing most newbies need
to be able to do when they do their papers or presentations. What they need from
us is information that is very concrete, easily understood, and will score
points with teachers and peers and which is available instantaneously.

If we meet their needs they may hang around for more. Eventually they may get
around to reading journals, coming to conferences, joining SRS, etc - but if we
fail to meet their needs, we will lose them forever. In an analogy that most of
us may appreciate - the appearance of a newbie as a lurker on our ls is like a
butterfly's wings flapping in the Amazon. If the conditions are right, the mild
perturbation of the butterfly's wings may result in a tornado thousands of miles
away and days or weeks separated in time - but if the conditions are not right -
the butterfly will have no discernible effect...

The ls is a different way to communicate - not a lower, less valuable, way to
communicate. It is, because of the potential temporal relationship of
contributors that communication on the LS can be the highest form of
connectivity but the instantaneous, or near instantaneous feedback and
clarification cycles that can be achieved are being thwarted by those whose
discomfort with technology and ability to thwart/control dialogue merely by
suggesting that the person asking questions should consult the 1998 paper on
XXXXX published in YYYY journal.

But it may be that the  depth of posting when I first arrived was situational -
the skeptics had been on the ls earlier, asking a lot of impertinent and in many
cases clearly ignorant questions - but their willingness to challenge
conventional thinking, even about an unconventional topic, created an
intellectually lively atmosphere that has been sorely lacking the last few
years.

If, as so many of the SRS members do, we believe that distant communication is
possible, that remote healing is feasible, and that the relationship between
nurse and patient exists independent of time and space, why is it that most of
the intellectual exchange takes place in one of the most primitive forms of
communication - on paper? Email is a lot closer to the ideal embraced by so many
of us than are letters, journals, and books and yet we, who should be at the
very forefront of modern technology and communication lag so far behind so many
other groups in nursing in our use of technology. Our ls is dormant and our
website has little new material. The online version of a Visions repository was
put up over a year ago - we need to get current and stay current...

I suspect that most of us would do well to try to respond on a level accessible
to those who are not experts. We could populate the LS or listserver with copies
of presentations, (un)published papers, and, most important, lively, dynamic,
exchange. For every member of the LS there are probably 2 - 10 lurkers who we
will never meet because they looked over the last 3 - 5 postings on the LS,
didn't see any signs of life, and their assignments were completed without
benefit of interacting.

To both members and lurkers alike - I would add that offlist exchanges kill the
experience for non-participants. Thanking people, asking follow-up questions,
and sharing experiences onlist is what will invigorate the ls and the
participants. So, among the most important requests is to please contribute to
the list by not going offlist.

bear

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To All and particularly recent contributors to the listserv:

I believe in the power of the cyber conversation and at the same time am a
realist about everyone doing the best they can with their time and energy.
  It is difficult for me to stop in the middle of the many projects
confronting me at any one time to pause and contemplate - Rogerian
conversations require reflection for me - particularly given my history of
saying something that tuns out to be more provocative (in a negative way)
than I intended.  Sometimes my need to contemplate leads to
procrastination and I never get back to sharing.  I do think good listserv
dialogues require a particular type of conversation that does not come
easy for everyone.  Having said this, I wonder if it might be more useful
to have specific chat rooms (probably old language) that are devoted to
certain Rogerian topics.  Then one could pick where to invest in a
conversation.  But all in all - I do think linear time gets in my way of
participating regardless.

The conference was wonderful.  I think everyone who presented was
encouraged to write manuscripts for publication in Visions and elsewhere.
The paper that Marlaine and I presented was an outgrowth of a dialogue
with Margaret Newman and Jean Watson.  We have had it now accepted by
Advances in Nursing Science and it will come out shortly.  I am not at
liberty to share the manuscript because we had to give over copyright to
the publishing company in order to get it in print.

There were many extraordinary papers.  I would like to explore the reasons
that more folks cannot come to the conference and discover ways to support
more attendance.

This is all the time I can give to the list for awhile but will do my best
to participate.  Not participating does not equal disinterest.

Peace and joy to all - Richard


W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
Professor and Director PhD Program
Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
School of Nursing
University of North Carolina Greensboro
P.O. Box 26170
Greensboro, NC  27402-6170
Phone: 336-334-4785
FAX: 336-334-3628



"Dr. Dorothy Woods Smith" <dwsmith@...>
Sent by: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
10/16/2007 10:10 AM
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Would it be possible to videotape or film the presentations next year?
I would be interested in viewing them online, or purchasing one or
more...
On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:58 PM, A Farren wrote:

> Hi all,
> I had a great experience. As Elizabeth mentioned, Howard Butcher did
> an outstanding job of presenting the Master Class.
>
> There were so many wonderful presentations and the time spent with
> others was full of joy, serious discussion, and renewing energy in
> commitment to Rogers Science.
>
> The generosity and hospitality of the Dean, Faculty, Staff, and
> Students at Case were most appreciated by all. The weather was
> fabulous the restaurants were great, and the ease of coming and going
> into Cleveland, around Cleveland, and the campus, and the lovely
> accommodations (I can speak for the Glidden House) all contributed to
> the conference success.
>
> The SRS meeting was very productive.
>
> Richard and Marlaine Smith sent us off with much to think about with
> their closing presentation on Sunday. It was thought provoking and so
> relevant to things currently emerging in service. I will recommend the
> reading of their future article to my education colleagues as well as
> my contacts in nursing education and in administration - especially
> CNOs (Chief Nursing Officers) in the service arena.
>
> Many thanks to Diana Morris and Barbara Wright as Co-Chairs and their
> committee/support people.
>
> I look forward to renewing again next year at CWR and having fun with
> all my Rogerian friends!
>
> I hope those of you who couldn't make it this year will put it on
> your calendar as soon as the date is released.
> My best,
> Arlene Farren
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Would it be possible to videotape or film the presentations next year?
I would be interested in viewing them online, or purchasing one or
more...
On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:58 PM, A Farren wrote:

> Hi all,
>  I had a great experience. As Elizabeth mentioned, Howard Butcher did
> an outstanding job of presenting the Master Class.
>
>  There were so many wonderful presentations and the time spent with
> others was full of joy, serious discussion, and renewing energy in
> commitment to Rogers Science.
>
>  The generosity and hospitality of the Dean, Faculty, Staff, and
> Students at Case were most appreciated by all. The weather was
> fabulous the restaurants were great, and the ease of coming and going
> into Cleveland, around Cleveland, and the campus, and the lovely
> accommodations (I can speak for the Glidden House) all contributed to
> the conference success.
>
>  The SRS meeting was very productive.
>
>  Richard and Marlaine Smith sent us off with much to think about with
> their closing presentation on Sunday. It was thought provoking and so
> relevant to things currently emerging in service. I will recommend the
> reading of their future article to my education colleagues as well as
> my contacts in nursing education and in administration - especially
> CNOs (Chief Nursing Officers) in the service arena.
>
>  Many thanks to Diana Morris and Barbara Wright as Co-Chairs and their
> committee/support people.
>
>  I look forward to renewing again next year at CWR and having fun with
> all my Rogerian friends!
>
>  I hope those of you who couldn't make it this year will put it on
> your calendar as soon as the date is released.
>  My best,
>  Arlene Farren
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

Hey Bear and All



Thanks for keeping list-serve open.  Being a poor redneck does not allow me to
attend SRS Conferences unless somebody picks up the tab.  Being out of the
academic realm (OU paid for the one conference I attended to present a poster)
and a government employee (I've been to Denver, Little Rock, and twice to DC
this year on the VA's dime for work conferences) I just can't justify to the
PTB's to send me.  So I depend on ya'lls to report the happenings.



As to stimulating dialogue, Hmmmm, I printed the philosophy thing you sent and
have been working my way through it.  I am a simple Nurse Practitioner and have
never had any philosophy courses in my academic career.  So no foundation or
frame of reference beyond Monty Python's "The Philosopher Song" (see below), I'm
having to Google and Wikipedia multiple times per paragraph to understand.  I'm
not stupid, just uneducated in this area.



Two weeks ago I gave a presentation, at my Alma Mater OU, explaining the
unexpected success of Care Coordination Home Telehealth, the program I manage
within the VA.  Most skeptics felt the program would fail secondary to loss of
face to face interaction with patients.  The opposite has occurred and patients
are improving and becoming quite attached to their little messaging machines.  I
was able to support this success and future growth utilizing SUHB as the
theoretical base.  I was approached by one of my old professors whose first
comment was, "Kelly, that's the first practical use for that complicated old
theory I've heard since your thesis defense."



In my muddled brain I think the two events are quite connected.  Those of us who
use SUHB in practice seem distant and unintelligible to our peers, yet topics on
the list serve are often academic pursuits distant and unintelligible to me,
requiring great effort decipher.  Maybe I'm the one expect too much from the
group but it has given me great support in developing a theory and philosophy of
practice that makes me unique and successful with my special population of
people.  When I make my infrequent comments on this list, I usually get more off
list emails than responses on the list-serve.  Most are from students and
practicing nurses who feel a connection with SUHB but are very intimidated by
the names posting on the list.  Comments like, "OMG, I based my whole theory
paper on her research and she's typing on the list like a real person!" or, "My
school has so little available on SUHB, I thought the list would help clarify
things for me, instead, what I did see discussed was so far over my head I
couldn't find the concepts in the material I do have."  Being a published PhD is
intimidating to most nurses in the trenches, kinda like the relationship between
a private and general in the Army.  I think this is the barrier we must destroy.
I'm blessed to have had my one SRS conference.  I got to listen to the Masters,
laugh and disagree that the shift in popularity to from the BeeGee's  to Cher
represented proof against The Principle of Resonancy (to me the BeeGee's always
represented the lowest of musical sub-frequencies, LOL).  I got meet Howard, and
visit Richard's house, laugh and eat with Ali, sleep with Bear!  I know how
approachable and loving you all are, how willing to share.  I know you are all
real humans and not the gods some might feel you are.  By the way Bear let me
use his second bed in his dorm room to save hotel expense, let's not start
rumors, LOL.



So I would challenge this list to continue to forge into new territory,
developing and evolving SUHB while remaining keenly approachable and open to
those of us you follow the trails you blaze.  If you get to far ahead without
clearly communicating to us we will probably lose the path and not be there to
take up the work when your time is done.  I think we need a Department of Muggle
Relations or some such.



Philosopher's Song-by Monty Python

Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant
Who was very rarely stable
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar
Who could think you under the table
David Hume could out-consume
Whilhelm Friedrich Hegel
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine
Who was just as sloshed as Schlagel
There's nothin' Nieizsche couldn't teach ya
'Bout the raising of the wrist
Socrates himself was permanently pissed
John Stuart Mill of his own free will
After half a pint o' shanty became particularly ill
Plato they say, could stick it away
Half a crate of whiskey every day
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle
Hobbes was fond of his dram
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart
`I drink therefore I am'
But Socrates himself is particularly missed
A lovely little thinker but a bugger when he's pissed





Kelly D. Rutherford

MSN, ARNP-C, FNP

Lead Care Coordinator

Jack C. Montgomery VAMC

1011 Honor Heights Dr, CCHT-118

Muskogee, Ok  74401

Phone: 918.577.4193

Fax:    918.577.4196

Kelly.Rutherford@...





________________________________

From: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Thomas Cox PhD, RN
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:58 PM
To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Martha_E_Rogers] Another attempt to revitalize the listserver



Hi All,

Well, the response to that other email was, to say the least, a bit
disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they want the LS to continue
- but little effort to stimulate or sustain dialogue...

But, perhaps we can correct this if people who attended the conference at CW the
last few days would be good enough to share/dialogue about their experiences -
informing those of us who did not attend and those who may not even have known
about it, what happened, and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts,
etc.... Doesn't need to be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
presenters, the titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of presentations
which I could put on the web... be creative and entrepreneurial!!!

The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current dialogue,
merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The occasional spam
email to the LS should ensure the continued existence of the history of the LS,
but it isn't quite what I had in mind...

My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they ought to be lively
settings for encounters, not merely repositories for old emails.

Bear

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would like to read/hear about the conferences I am unable to attend
(most of them lately!) I miss having the newsletter, and do hope this
forum can serve to keep us informed. Dottie
On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:58 PM, Thomas Cox PhD, RN wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>  Well, the response to that other email was, to say the least, a bit
> disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they want the LS
> to continue - but little effort to stimulate or sustain dialogue...
>
>  But, perhaps we can correct this if people who attended the
> conference at CW the last few days would be good enough to
> share/dialogue about their experiences - informing those of us who did
> not attend and those who may not even have known about it, what
> happened, and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts, etc....
> Doesn't need to be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
> presenters, the titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of
> presentations which I could put on the web... be creative and
> entrepreneurial!!!
>
>  The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current
> dialogue, merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The
> occasional spam email to the LS should ensure the continued existence
> of the history of the LS, but it isn't quite what I had in mind...
>
>  My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they ought to be
> lively settings for encounters, not merely repositories for old
> emails.
>
>  Bear
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

Thank you to all of the attendees and participants at the recent SRS
conference! I have attended the conference for the past few years now, and
always come away filled the the spirit that renews and re-focuses my best
energies. This year for the first time, however, I had an even deeper
experience, perhaps a combination of finally completing my own dissertation
work this summer (freeing up some of my energies to be more present in the
"now" moments) and the comfort that familiarity over several years of
participation induces! It was truly awe-inspiring to be able to learn at the
knees of our most learned scholars (I'll call you first generation scholars
for lack of a better term) and listen to the many varied newer scholars tell
their stories as well!

Thank you to our gracious hosts - Dean May, Dianna Morris, and all the
wonderful team not so readily apparent to us who made this meeting place
possible and inviting! I look forward to next year's conference, as always!

For those of you we missed this year, I too hope that the forces will allow
you to join us in time/space next year!

And, Bear, I will try to be less a list-serve lurker (although I think I
might like the term "mental participant"!) in the future!


Carolyn Herrington

Hi all,
I had a great experience. As Elizabeth mentioned, Howard Butcher did an
outstanding job of presenting the Master Class.

There were so many wonderful presentations and the time spent with others was
full of joy, serious discussion, and renewing energy in commitment to Rogers
Science.

The generosity and hospitality of the Dean, Faculty, Staff, and Students at Case
were most appreciated by all. The weather was fabulous the restaurants were
great, and the ease of coming and going into Cleveland, around Cleveland, and
the campus, and the lovely accommodations (I can speak for the Glidden House)
all contributed to the conference success.

The SRS meeting was very productive.

Richard and Marlaine Smith sent us off with much to think about with their
closing presentation on Sunday. It was thought provoking and so relevant to
things currently emerging in service. I will recommend the reading of their
future article to my education colleagues as well as my contacts in nursing
education and in administration - especially CNOs (Chief Nursing Officers) in
the service arena.

Many thanks to Diana Morris and Barbara Wright as Co-Chairs  and their
committee/support people.

I look forward to renewing again next year at CWR and having fun with all my
Rogerian friends!

I hope those of you who couldn't make it this year will put it on your calendar
as soon as the date is released.
My best,
Arlene Farren

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks, Bear for keeping the LS going.  It is greatly appreciated by many.

The SRS conference was absolutely wonderful.  I had to leave on Saturday to get
back to New York for another commitment on Sunday, but what I experienced was
really outstanding.  I would like to mention that Howard Butcher gave an AMAZING
two hour presentation on Rogerian Science.  If you missed his presentation,
please read or re-read his article in Visions, 2006, Vol 2.  Fran Reeder
keynoted on Saturday and spoke about Complexity Science and Global Warming. 
Hopefully we will see it in print soon.

I would say that the Science of Unitary Human Beings is alive and well.  It was
great to see old friends, and meet new people.  The enthusiasm was palpable. 
Case Western Francis Payne Bolton School of Nursing folks were so very gracious
to us as they were last year, and I understand we have been invited to return in
Oct. 2008, so stay tuned for a specific date.  Thanks to Dean Mae Wycle, who
hosted the reception and welcomed us and also attended the lunch on Saturday and
Diana Morris who worked so diligently making it all happen so smoothly.  Thanks
also to all the presenters and poster session presenters for making the SRS
conference, Fall, 2007 such a success!

I'll let others continue here.  There is much more to tell.

Blessings to all of you,
Elizabeth
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Thomas Cox PhD, RN
   To: Martha_E_Rogers@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:58 PM
   Subject: [Martha_E_Rogers] Another attempt to revitalize the listserver


   Hi All,

   Well, the response to that other email was, to say the least, a bit
disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they want the LS to continue
- but little effort to stimulate or sustain dialogue...

   But, perhaps we can correct this if people who attended the conference at CW
the last few days would be good enough to share/dialogue about their experiences
- informing those of us who did not attend and those who may not even have known
about it, what happened, and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts,
etc.... Doesn't need to be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
presenters, the titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of presentations
which I could put on the web... be creative and entrepreneurial!!!

   The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current dialogue,
merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The occasional spam
email to the LS should ensure the continued existence of the history of the LS,
but it isn't quite what I had in mind...

   My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they ought to be lively
settings for encounters, not merely repositories for old emails.

   Bear

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi All,

Well, the response to that other email was, to say the least, a bit
disappointing and discouraging. many people stating they want the LS to continue
- but little effort to stimulate or sustain dialogue...

But, perhaps we can correct this if people who attended the conference at CW the
last few days would be good enough to share/dialogue about their experiences -
informing those of us who did not attend and those who may not even have known
about it, what happened, and perhaps stimulating questions, other thoughts,
etc.... Doesn't need to be profound - maybe a list of attendees, the list of
presenters, the titles of presentations, ideal would be copies of presentations
which I could put on the web... be creative and entrepreneurial!!!

The LS can exist, more or less in perpetuity, even without current dialogue,
merely by not taking deliberate action to shut it down. The occasional spam
email to the LS should ensure the continued existence of the history of the LS,
but it isn't quite what I had in mind...

My own, perhaps obvious, bias as regards LSs is that they ought to be lively
settings for encounters, not merely repositories for old emails.

Bear


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

bear,

   i can't seem to access your website---can you or richard re-attach teh
flyer---many thanks

                      alison

"Thomas Cox PhD, RN" <tc_spirit@...> wrote:
           Hi Dottie,

see my followup email with the link...

Bear

"Dr. Dorothy Woods Smith" <dwsmith@...> wrote: Hi, didn't find attached
flyer, can you try again? Thanks, Dottie
On Oct 9, 2007, at 1:32 PM, William Cowling WRCOWLIN wrote:

> The International Association of Human Caring conference is being held
> in
> Chapel Hill, NC next Spring. I have attached a flyer that includes the
> dates, keynote speakers, and a call for abstracts.
>
> Thanks - Richard
>
> W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
> Professor and Director PhD Program
> Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
> School of Nursing
> University of North Carolina Greensboro
> P.O. Box 26170
> Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
> Phone: 336-334-4785
> FAX: 336-334-3628
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Dottie,

see my followup email with the link...

Bear

"Dr. Dorothy Woods Smith" <dwsmith@...> wrote:
Hi, didn't find attached flyer, can you try again? Thanks, Dottie
  On Oct 9, 2007, at 1:32 PM, William Cowling WRCOWLIN wrote:

  > The International Association of Human Caring conference is being held
  > in
  >  Chapel Hill, NC next Spring. I have attached a flyer that includes the
  >  dates, keynote speakers, and a call for abstracts.
  >
  >  Thanks - Richard
  >
  >  W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
  >  Professor and Director PhD Program
  >  Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
  >  School of Nursing
  >  University of North Carolina Greensboro
  >  P.O. Box 26170
  >  Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
  >  Phone: 336-334-4785
  >  FAX: 336-334-3628
  >
  >  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, didn't find attached flyer, can you try again? Thanks, Dottie
On Oct 9, 2007, at 1:32 PM, William Cowling WRCOWLIN wrote:

> The International Association of Human Caring conference is being held
> in
>  Chapel Hill, NC next Spring. I have attached a flyer that includes the
>  dates, keynote speakers, and a call for abstracts.
>
>  Thanks - Richard
>
>  W. Richard Cowling, III, RN, PhD, APRN-BC
>  Professor and Director PhD Program
>  Editor, Journal of Holistic Nursing
>  School of Nursing
>  University of North Carolina Greensboro
>  P.O. Box 26170
>  Greensboro, NC 27402-6170
>  Phone: 336-334-4785
>  FAX: 336-334-3628
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>