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Re: {Disarmed} Re: [Martha_E_Rogers]

Dear Dottie-
I don't know how to re-send my original e-mail. Perhaps someone else knows
how (I deleted your question because I have it on my response). It had to do
with seeing levels of abstraction. Mutual process and human field are elements
of unknowable pattern (1st level). Pain, stress, power, etc. are particulate
"aspects" of pattern manifestations (3rd level). If you measure pain, you are
measuring pain, not a unitary concept. (Comfort or well-being maybe)? The
problem is (and always has been) measurement of the 2nd level, unitary pattern
manifestations. Is "energy" (or, in my model), "essence," a 1st or 2nd level
concept? What are the unitary manifestations of pattern, and how can they be
measured? What does spirituality have to do with it?
If we can't answer these questions, perhaps Bear's comment to relook at the
theory may be relevant. Perhaps some of Rogers' needs to be viewed as a
philosophy or a vision, and only helicy, and resonancy etc viewed
theorietically?
Can my model help frame your article? I now see "health" (1st level) as
having two complementary manifestations "wellness" (2nd level) has two aspects
(3rd level)- functional status and symptom distress and "well-being" has three
aspects- healthiness (resources or strengths), flexibility, and harmony.
Measurement of the third level concepts can give you only a partial view of the
second level. Perhaps that is the best we can do right now. But, don't add them
up and call them by a unitary concept name! (All of this is unpublished, and in
process).
All musings, what do you think? I'd love feedback. Hope all is well with
you. Sue
"Dr. Dorothy Woods Smith" <dwsmith@...> wrote:
I haven't seen responses from Bear or Sue Leddy. Can you re-send to
Rogers list-serve, cc me at dwsmith@...? Thanks, Dottie
On Aug 27, 2006, at 1:45 PM, RorryZ@... wrote:

> Sue Leddy's and Bear's responses as always are very thought full and
> thought
> provoking
> Rorry
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Sue Leddy's and Bear's responses as always are very thought full and thought provoking Rorry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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I haven't seen responses from Bear or Sue Leddy. Can you re-send to Rogers list-serve, cc me at dwsmith@...? Thanks, Dottie...
Dr. Dorothy Woods Smith
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Dear Dottie- I don't know how to re-send my original e-mail. Perhaps someone else knows how (I deleted your question because I have it on my response). It had...
Susan Leddy
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let me jump in w/ a quick comment---in my dissertation research, i looked at what i called manifestations of field pattern---to my mind, pain (as you have...
alison rushing
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Aug 28, 2006
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Thank you Ali, I was trying to find the words for this same idea. Though I have no dissertation to quote, I have the same difficulty with putting abstractions...
Rutherford, Kelly D
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Aug 28, 2006
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This has been a phenomenal dialogue and a testimony to our willingness to engage in meaningful exchange to advance the science of unitary human beings. I have...
William Cowling WRCOW...
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Aug 28, 2006
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Hi All, Noreen Brady sent me files for the 2006 Conference, which looks great!!! I don't really know how to use publisher - so I have done the best I can with...
Thomas Cox PhD, RN
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Aug 29, 2006
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Hi again, It may be easier to just go to this link and then pull off the two files for SRS... http://drtcbear.servebbs.net:81/BearsLair/ Also, Noreen gave me a...
Thomas Cox PhD, RN
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Aug 29, 2006
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As always - brilliant Kelly! Reminded me of the experience I have shared before in my final BSN class when the teacher referred to Marth as that Flake and I...
Thomas Cox PhD, RN
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Hi Dottie et al, All old messages can be read on the listserver, through the following portal: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Martha_E_Rogers Just surf...
Thomas Cox PhD, RN
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