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Hi Bear et al,

Yes quite right Bear, and I loved the Cat link!

As a recent paper on Caring suggested (?author), for all the academic posturing
and all that has gone on with defining caring, the paper concluded, rightly or
wrongly, that no progress had been made (in decades) in actually, really,
defining it.

So, I suggest that we work systematically on producing a SUHB glossary. I will
host it on the website and we can have it on the yahoo group as well.

Right. Given the thread, the first word will be

Probablistic (or others if you so choose).

Anybody got a good def? Bear? Richard, John, Jacqui etc are you there...

Answers please by end of wk, when we'll start on new word.

Fran

--- bear <tc_spirit@...> wrote:
> Good points Fran...
>
> I would harken to the consideration that when it comes to inequities of
> access to or protection from health care services (being mindful of the
> fact that brother Fran has on occasion suggested that access to modern
> healthcare may not be in the best interest of the individual) it is
> analysis that leads us to conclude that people are being deprived of or
> perhaps being exploited by health care interventionism. However, the
> same analysis may dispose one group of people to correct social
> inequities while it may be used by another group to exploit those same
> inequities in some fashion. It may be inconsiderate to ignore
> disparities in health status in inner cities and rural areas from a
> social engineering standpoint - but no less inconsiderate to use the
> same data to develop a system of inadequate services to vulnerable
> populations while exploiting the revenue potentials that may be
> available...
>
> so it is not the analytic mind but the manner in which the analysis is
> to be used that ought, perhaps, to be our concern in evaluating the
> appropriateness of research methods...
>
> Thank you for adding an aesthetically pleasing literary reference to
> the dialogue...
>
> as to the issue of originality of thought... as bill the cat might
> suggest:
>
> http://alcyone.cc.uch.gr/~kosmas/pics/bill.gif
>
> bear
> --- Francis Biley <sys812000@...> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I am not capable of original thought like Bear, so have to depend on
> > throwing
> > in a quote from somebody else, in this case from Thomas Mann's Magic
> > Mountain:
> >
> > "Analysis as an instrument of enlightenment and civilization is good,
> > in so far
> > as it shatters absurd convictions, acts as a solvent upon natural
> > prejudices,
> > and undermines authority; good, in other words, in that it sets free,
> > refines,
> > humanises, makes slaves ripe for freedom. But it is bad, very bad, in
> > so far as
> > it stands in the way of action, cannot shape the vital forces, maims
> > life at
> > its roots. Analysis can be a very unappetizing affair, as much so as
> > death,
> > with which it may belong - allied to the grave and its unsavory
> > anatomy"
> >
> > page 222, vintage classics ed, 1999, trans Lowe-Porter; first pub
> > 1924.
> >
> > Fran (B)
>
>
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Good points Fran... I would harken to the consideration that when it comes to inequities of access to or protection from health care services (being mindful of...
bear
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Dec 13, 2003
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Hi Bear et al, Yes quite right Bear, and I loved the Cat link! As a recent paper on Caring suggested (?author), for all the academic posturing and all that has...
Francis Biley
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Dec 14, 2003
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Just a note on Fran's note regarding work on caring..."defining caring" is not what most scholars who study caring in nursing are interested in...what many are...
Savina Schoenhofer
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Dec 14, 2003
11:55 pm

Some tentative definitions related to 'probabilistic', and I note that the OED definitions toward the bottom probably will sustain some deep thought about how...
Bear
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Dec 15, 2003
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Hi, Thank you for your response Savina; which ironically perhaps and as you acknowldege, identifies the heart of the problem. Paley, for it was him...asserted...
Francis Biley
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Dec 15, 2003
11:41 am

OOOOOOOOOO... Teacher already giving assignments! Actually, glossary is good idea. With all the multi-definition concepts floating around, a good consensual...
kelly rutherford
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Dec 15, 2003
6:03 am

Colleagues, I cannot locate a specific definition that Martha used for probabilistic. Thus, I suggest that we use a dictionary definition. My unabridged...
Jacqueline Fawcett
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Dec 15, 2003
11:44 am

In response to "Transcending" the need for a glossary: I agree that is the "ideal" But, as a student who had just read Martha's works, felt "the call", but...
kelly rutherford
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Dec 15, 2003
9:40 pm

Hi Kelly, Yes I very much agree with that, having myself, all of us (?) passed through that puzzlement stage, now I just try to live it rather than try to...
Francis Biley
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Dec 15, 2003
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definitely dissertation... am at that stage where i am almost indifferent between revising latest copy and simply burning all known copies. only the question...
bear
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Dec 15, 2003
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Definitely NOT pretentious Fran. I would say practical. Many things are easier to live than understand. Consider the musician vs the music theorist, etc.......
kelly rutherford
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Dec 16, 2003
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Colleagues, The idea of improbables is most interesting! Jacqui ... From: mahanley [mailto:mahanley@...] Sent: Fri 12/12/2003 12:59 AM To:...
Jacqueline Fawcett
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Dec 12, 2003
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As an admirer, not a practitioner of SUHB, some thoughts on Jacqui's questions have occurred to me. In reverse order, in re qualitative approaches only:...
Savina Schoenhofer
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Dec 13, 2003
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Colleagues, This comes in response to Bear's thoughts of December 13th regarding unpredictability. I was expecially interested in Bear's comments about...
Jacqueline Fawcett
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Dec 16, 2003
2:21 pm

i would say yes, because what is revealed through the statistical piece is a manifestation of the whole--and represents either experiences, perceptions or...
alison rushing
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Dec 16, 2003
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I would echo Ali's sentiment - perhaps with an analogy to the cosmos. There is an underlying pattern to the universe which exists as a whole. Among the...
Bear
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Dec 16, 2003
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bear, i wouldn't "factor out and replace" anything w/ anything--maybe there are multiple universes that co-exist--but they would still be just manifestations...
alison rushing
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Dec 26, 2003
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I recently read "On the Quantum Mechanics of Consciousness, with Application to Anomalous Phenomena" by R. G. Jahn and J. Dunne. I have a particular interest...
Valerie Eschiti
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Dec 16, 2003
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Hi OK, Ive constructed a glossary page at http://medweb.uwcm.ac.uk/martha/ Interested to hear what people think. I had a little trouble trying to seperate out...
Francis Biley
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Dec 17, 2003
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Colleagues, I finally have had some time to check out what Martha had to say about four-dimensionality. See below. Jacqui Four-Dimensionality “The human...
Jacqueline Fawcett
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Re four-dimensionality discussion: In 1994, Martha shared a change - she chose to change four-dimensionality to pandimensionality, saying that the definition,...
A Farren
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Jan 8, 2004
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Arlene, Thank you for your contribution. Martha did, indeed, change four-dimensionality to pandimensionality. Jacqui ... From: A Farren...
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Jan 10, 2004
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Hi Yes, my initial request for a definition was meant to indicate a bit of irony in asking for a def of four dimensionality, but I think its may be important...
Francis Biley
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Jan 10, 2004
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Hi everyone, Martha was the last person to submit her chapter for my 1990 book (Visions of Rogers'Science-Based Nursing). It was ready to go to press when I...
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Jan 11, 2004
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Hi Oooops, in the last mail from myself I asked for John to contribute to this thread, and might have given the impression that I was quite forgetting ...
Francis Biley
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I just stumbled on some intriguing pieces. don't really have time to read them - was looking for something else at the time - but i don't want to deprive...
bear
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ever wonder whatever became of cliff stoll? author of The Cuckoo's Egg (1989). http://www.kleinbottle.com/index.htm...
bear
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Hi all, my apologies for any 'impurities' of thought... a long post - not for the weak-kneed or diss-ravaged brains of fellow candidates... Reference to...
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