With SSI you can only have 2,000 in the bank.

 

Greg

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Angelia Haynes

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:40 PM GREG

Subject: RE: [MD-List] Re: Social Security Disability

Matt was pre-approved in 1 week because I was told that if you bring with you medical records showing your child has DMD you can be pre-approved.  I was told by social security that there is a list of diagnosis that enables you to be pre-approved.  I made the appt about 4 weeks prior to Matt turning 18.  We went 1 day after his birthday.  I took his Bx results showing Duchene’s and his first office visit with the doctor verifying his diagnosis and then a letter from his current pediatrician stating the extent of his current disability.  It was really much easier than I ever expected.  One more thing if he has any bonds or saving accounts you will have to bring that information with you.  I was told he would have to have over $4,000 for it cause any issues.

Good Luck

Angelia Haynes

(Mom to Matt, 18 and now a GRADUATE!!)

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From: MD-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MD-List@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adele
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:54 PM
To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MD-List] Re: Social Security Disability

Jason got his in about 6 weeks.

Adele

P.S.  I nag

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From: MD-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MD-List@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tigger Greg
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:30 PM
To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [MD-List] Re: Social Security Disability

Takes 4 months to get SSI if it goes right the first time.

Greg

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----- Original Message -----

From: Heather

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:41 AM GREG

Subject: [MD-List] Re: Social Security Disability

Okay so I called up the SS office, and they basically told me to
ignore the letter and that my application for SSI is still pending and
will be for probably 4 months! Yuck.

--- In MD-List@yahoogroups.com, "Adele" <jasona65@...> wrote:
>
> Heather, Yes, that's correct, in order to SS you would of have to
worked
> for so many quarters. I'm not sure how long that is, but I would
guess at
> least 2 years. The only other way to get SS is to have a parent retire,
> then you would get benefits through them.
>
>
>
> Have you applies to SSI, Supplemental Security Income. This, you
just have
> to be disabled and have no more then about $2,000 in assets. If you
haven't
> applied, you go to the SS office and tell them you want SSI not SS.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if all the States SSI programs come with it, but here in
> Maryland, there is a tuition waiver, at least for Community College, not
> sure about any other state school.
>
>
>
> Adele
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: MD-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MD-List@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Heather
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:26 PM
> To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MD-List] Social Security Disability
>
>
>
> Alright, so. I've got a little situation and was wondering if
> anybody's been down the same path.
> I'm 19 years old- SMA 2/3. I just filed for Social Security Disability
> to help me pay for my college (I'm going off to a Uni in less than 6
> months). Of course they immediately sent a letter back saying I don't
> qualify due to not having "enough Social Security Credits". Apparently
> I'm supposed to have worked and gotten credits. Except the fact that I
> am a student devoted to work, have no transportation to/from any job,
> and have a limited amount of work I can actually do. So no, I didn't
work.
>
> I know there must be somebody who hasn't worked a day in their lives
> who gets SS payments. I only have $408 to my name! So I'm going to
> appeal their decision, but I don't really know what I'm doing..
>
> I'm still young! New at this, you know? So if anyone could help,
> please oh please let me know your situation, etc.. Thank you! - Heather
>
>
>
>
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I really like these answers - the last one though I would amplify and say
that some segregation happens because people are afraid to "mix it up" as
teenagers or on breaks in the workplace..there is a program by Teaching
Tolerance (tolerance.org) called mix it up at lunch, and other resources
you and your teacher would really like. I'm one of those ones who deleted
the requests because they looked like spam and there were a group of them,
sorry!...

Vikki Stefans, M.D., pediatric physiatrist (rehab doc for kids) at UAMS
and Arkansas Children's Hospital.  Working Mom of Sarah T. and Michael C.,
and wife of Henry Stefans. Every mom is a working mom!- OK, dads too.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Andrew VanBelkum wrote:

> --- In MD-List@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Rhodes" <jedicharles@...>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Members,
>
> If you have time, please consider replying to Sumit's survey. He is
> 12 years old with DMD and needs this for a project for school. He
> didn't mean to post this without explanation and he simply panicked
> when he posted the several replies.
>
> Charles,
> MD-List Moderator
>
> Sumit Mehta
> Period 4
> Mrs. Silverstein
> Social Studies
>
> 1.) Do you think people are more racist today then they were fifty
> years ago? Yes or No, Please explain.
>
> No, I think, overall, most people have become more accepting of
> people from other races.
>
> 2.) Do you think African Americans have equal rights? Yes or No,
> Please explain.
>
> Yes, I think they do have equal rights. All Americans have the same
> rights.
>
> 3.) Do you think people are prejudice today? Yes or No, Please
> explain.
>
> Yes, I do think people are prejudice today but, I don't think it
> only applies to race. It applies to everything in life. From the
> things we like to eat to the products we buy. To a certain degree,
> that is what makes America so great. We are all different.
>
> 4.) Do you think segregation still exists today? Yes or No, Please
> explain.
>
> Yes, I do think segregation still exists today but, I don't think
> most of it is by choice. Location has a lot to do with it. Sadly, if
> you had to pick a day of the week, Sunday is the most segregated day
> of the week.
>
> Signature: Andrew VanBelkum
>
>

There are a lot of differnet conditions, some neuromuscular, that can
cause this, not all are "muscular dystrophy" though. A good neurologist
should probalby be your first stop, or maybe a rehab doc like me who KNOWS
a good neurologist at least. Let us know how things turn out, OK?

Vikki Stefans, M.D., pediatric physiatrist (rehab doc for kids) at UAMS
and Arkansas Children's Hospital.  Working Mom of Sarah T. and Michael C.,
and wife of Henry Stefans. Every mom is a working mom!- OK, dads too.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Sarah wrote:

> I'm a little freaked out and just need some supportive advice.  I
> took her to her pediatrician last week for a fever/ear infection.
> The doc says she would like to refer us to St. Louis Children's
> Hospital for a muscle biopsy to test for MD, since my daughter (17
> months) has significant issues with muscle tone in her legs and
> mobility problems.  She uses AFO's and a pediatric walker and sees
> two physical therapists.  For several months now we have just been
> told she is "hypermobile" and has low muscle tone...that is why she
> can't balance enough to walk yet and has issues with standing,
> etc...  We have never heard anyone mention MD until now...and I
> didn't know enough to ask about the possibility.  So I'm a little
> thrown off, doing a lot of research online which is just scary in
> itself.  So we're going to make the 3 hour drive to the children's
> hospital to find out either way.  I need to stop wondering and
> speculating about it.  It's been all I can think about since the
> doctor mentioned it last week.  I find myself looking at my daughter
> and thinking "hmmm...maybe she does have this syptom ot that
> symptom".
>
> Anyway, I just hope I"m doing the right thing and wonder if anyone
> else has a similar experience so I don't feel so on my own right
> now.  Thanks
>
>

<http://healthcare.zdnet.com/?p=1086>

My name is Tamara. I have a 2 year old son, Gabriel, that may have dmd and I joined this group to talk to others about the condition!

The cpk level of 19,000 sure looks like DMD, the highest any of our family with Beckers is 2,900 and my last one as 900 when i was in ER last. My sister who is a RN at the ER is always testing us to see where our levels are at.

 

Greg

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Adele

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:18 PM GREG

Subject: RE: [MD-List] Very concerned mother!

Hi, I’m Adele and my son, Jason has DMD.  With the symptoms and test results you have described,  It is unfortunate, but more than likely it is either DMD, or Becker’s which is usually a more milder form of DMD.  Too bad they put him through the liver biopsy.

Adele

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From: MD-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MD-List@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rocknrollmama83
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:33 PM
To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MD-List] Very concerned mother!

I have a 2 year old son who, in October, was admitted into the
hospital for bronchiolitis. The doctor discovered that his liver
enzymes were elevated 10 times normal range. His doctor referred him
to a gastrointerologist who did an ultrasound, a biopsy, and amny
bloodtests and found a perfectly healthy liver. The last bloodtest he
did was a cpk test that read that his cpk level was 19,000. His calves
are also fairly big. He was sent to a neurologist who sent him for a
DNA test but we haven't gotten the results. Could it be something else
or is it Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy? I would like to hear your
opinion!

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Very well said. Most of my friend who have young sons with DMD have very happy and out going kids over all. I did not get slowed down by my beckers until after age 9 and never let it get me down or slow me down and wish we had know what i had early so i could have gone to MDA camp.

 

Greg

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Susan

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:53 PM GREG

Subject: Re: [MD-List] My daughter is going to be tested for MD

Hi Sarah,

My son is 10 & was diagnosed when he was 2 with a type of congenital muscular dystrophy.  I thought before the diagnosis that it was something he would grow out of & that he would just get stronger.   He walked from age 2.5 - 6 & has used a walker, a scooter & now a wheelchair.   I went through a huge grieving process & for a long time could only see what we lost.  Now that I'm past that (& it took me years to be honest), I can see all that we've gained.  My son is a very happy & well adjusted kid who plays wheelchair floor hockey, goes to the MDA camp every year, does well in school & makes friends easily. 

 

Just take it day by day.  I know it's hard not to worry about the future but don't miss out on enjoying your 17 month old!  It goes so quickly.  For me, I wish I had taken more notes about our journey (keeping a better medical notebook for doctor's visits) but for a while there, I didn't realize we were on one. 

 

Good luck.

Susan

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:57 PM

Subject: [MD-List] My daughter is going to be tested for MD

I'm a little freaked out and just need some supportive advice. I
took her to her pediatrician last week for a fever/ear infection.
The doc says she would like to refer us to St. Louis Children's
Hospital for a muscle biopsy to test for MD, since my daughter (17
months) has significant issues with muscle tone in her legs and
mobility problems. She uses AFO's and a pediatric walker and sees
two physical therapists. For several months now we have just been
told she is "hypermobile" and has low muscle tone...that is why she
can't balance enough to walk yet and has issues with standing,
etc... We have never heard anyone mention MD until now...and I
didn't know enough to ask about the possibility. So I'm a little
thrown off, doing a lot of research online which is just scary in
itself. So we're going to make the 3 hour drive to the children's
hospital to find out either way. I need to stop wondering and
speculating about it. It's been all I can think about since the
doctor mentioned it last week. I find myself looking at my daughter
and thinking "hmmm...maybe she does have this syptom ot that
symptom".

Anyway, I just hope I"m doing the right thing and wonder if anyone
else has a similar experience so I don't feel so on my own right
now. Thanks

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----- Original Message -----

From: Sarah

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:57 PM

Subject: [MD-List] My daughter is going to be tested for MD

I'm a little freaked out and just need some supportive advice. I
took her to her pediatrician last week for a fever/ear infection.
The doc says she would like to refer us to St. Louis Children's
Hospital for a muscle biopsy to test for MD, since my daughter (17
months) has significant issues with muscle tone in her legs and
mobility problems. She uses AFO's and a pediatric walker and sees
two physical therapists. For several months now we have just been
told she is "hypermobile" and has low muscle tone...that is why she
can't balance enough to walk yet and has issues with standing,
etc... We have never heard anyone mention MD until now...and I
didn't know enough to ask about the possibility. So I'm a little
thrown off, doing a lot of research online which is just scary in
itself. So we're going to make the 3 hour drive to the children's
hospital to find out either way. I need to stop wondering and
speculating about it. It's been all I can think about since the
doctor mentioned it last week. I find myself looking at my daughter
and thinking "hmmm...maybe she does have this syptom ot that
symptom".

Anyway, I just hope I"m doing the right thing and wonder if anyone
else has a similar experience so I don't feel so on my own right
now. Thanks

You will get a lot more infor. when the DMD mom's see your post and email back.

 

Greg

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TAMARA TWITCHELL

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:15 PM GREG

Subject: Re: [MD-List] Very concerned mother!

Thanks for your reply! --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Greg Wilhelm <greg1960@verizon.net> wrote: From: Greg Wilhelm <greg1960@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [MD-List] Very concerned mother! To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 4:11 PM Sounds like DMD for sure. :(   Greg   ----- Original Message ----- From: rocknrollmama83 To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:33 PM GREG Subject: [MD-List] Very concerned mother! I have a 2 year old son who, in October, was admitted into the hospital for bronchiolitis. The doctor discovered that his liver enzymes were elevated 10 times normal range. His doctor referred him to a gastrointerologist who did an ultrasound, a biopsy, and amny bloodtests and found a perfectly healthy liver. The last bloodtest he did was a cpk test that read that his cpk level was 19,000. His calves are also fairly big. He was sent to a neurologist who sent him for a DNA test but we haven't gotten the results. Could it be something else or is it Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy? I would like to hear your opinion! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1518 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 9:46 AM

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tushar Mehta

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:23 PM

Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy

My son has DMD and he was just asking you to answer a survey for his project!

----- Original Message -----

From: hhjgreene@yahoo.com

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 3:03 AM

Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy

Subject line NICE BED!!!  --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Tushar Mehta <sumitb@optonline.net> wrote: From: Tushar Mehta <sumitb@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 15, 2008, 12:23 PM Why did you not answer them? Answer them!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tushar Mehta To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy Answer Them!! Thanks!   1.)     Do you think people are more racist today then they were fifty years ago?  Yes or No, Please explain. 2.)    Do you think African Americans have equal rights? Yes or No, Please explain. 3.)    Do you think people are prejudice today? Yes or No, Please explain. 4.)    Do you think segregation still exists today? Yes or No, Please explain. Signature: ----- Original Message ----- From: Terri To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy Yea, I forgot to mention that Alex in the last year before he died had a rod, ostomy and was on a vent. Terri mom of Nathan 20, DMD, ADD Christian 11, DMD, ADHD Alex 16, DMD   (3/29/91-4/2/ 07) DMD = Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop... At late or early hour..  Now is the only time you own... Live, love, toil with a will... Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still. "; ----- Original Message ----- From: Stacey To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy Hi! I have SMA 2. It really sucks, I have rods in my back... Medicaid does'nt cover crap.. I've been waiting, 1 year for w/c repairs for my power chair...... I have a mattress just for bed sores..... I never had a bed sore... I have a portable DVD player, to watch movies, I have an account w/ netflix..... I wish I had access to my computer, I'm a computer junkee lol.... If I get a bed sore, I would send medicaid the bill..... Thanks for thinking of me...   ttyl Stacey Gaylord mich ----- Original Message ---- From: "hhjgreene@yahoo. com" <hhjgreene@yahoo. com> To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:06:23 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!!/Stacy Hi Stacy, I agree, you are a very brave Lady to stay home alone at night.  You need an advocate to help fight.  Do you have the mattress that rolls you over or a low air loss mattress?  I'm Eric's mom, he is 23 yrs old with duchenne Muscular Dystrophy.  Mda I going to help us get a mattress for Eric since Medicaid won't cover it because he doesn't have #4 open sores on his back side.  I know It is crazy....   It is better not to have bed sores, I wish medicaid saw it that way.  Eric has never had bed sores.   Do you have access to your tv and computer at night?  Or like Reina asked buttons for emergency?  I hope so.  You are are my mind and I'm sure others as well....   Take good care Stacy, know that others are thinking of you....   Holly   --- On Sat, 5/31/08, stbrigid@cox. net <stbrigid@cox. net> wrote: From: stbrigid@cox. net <stbrigid@cox. net> Subject: Re: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!! To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 1:09 PM Stacey..you are a very brave lady!  Do you have emergency call buttons or something to use at night if you encounter problems?? Is there no way to get a live in aide , it sounds scary that you have to be alone at night and can't move. Which state are you in??  Reina ----- Original Message ----- From: stacey To: MD-List@yahoogroups .com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [SPAM][MD-List] Nice bed!!!!!!! Hi! I have SMA 2. I'm left alone at night in my apt... That kinda bed that would be very helpful... I have rods in my back, I'm not able to move until my caregivers comes in the next day.... Medicaid is doing alot of cut backs...... Never had a bedsore....

Sounds like DMD for sure. :(

 

Greg

 

----- Original Message -----

From: rocknrollmama83

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:33 PM GREG

Subject: [MD-List] Very concerned mother!

I have a 2 year old son who, in October, was admitted into the
hospital for bronchiolitis. The doctor discovered that his liver
enzymes were elevated 10 times normal range. His doctor referred him
to a gastrointerologist who did an ultrasound, a biopsy, and amny
bloodtests and found a perfectly healthy liver. The last bloodtest he
did was a cpk test that read that his cpk level was 19,000. His calves
are also fairly big. He was sent to a neurologist who sent him for a
DNA test but we haven't gotten the results. Could it be something else
or is it Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy? I would like to hear your
opinion!

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I have a 2 year old son who, in October, was admitted into the
hospital for bronchiolitis. The doctor discovered that his liver
enzymes were elevated 10 times normal range. His doctor referred him
to a gastrointerologist who did an ultrasound, a biopsy, and amny
bloodtests and found a perfectly healthy liver. The last bloodtest he
did was a cpk test that read that his cpk level was 19,000. His calves
are also fairly big. He was sent to a neurologist who sent him for a
DNA test but we haven't gotten the results. Could it be something else
or is it Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy? I would like to hear your
opinion!

I'm a little freaked out and just need some supportive advice.  I
took her to her pediatrician last week for a fever/ear infection.
The doc says she would like to refer us to St. Louis Children's
Hospital for a muscle biopsy to test for MD, since my daughter (17
months) has significant issues with muscle tone in her legs and
mobility problems.  She uses AFO's and a pediatric walker and sees
two physical therapists.  For several months now we have just been
told she is "hypermobile" and has low muscle tone...that is why she
can't balance enough to walk yet and has issues with standing,
etc...  We have never heard anyone mention MD until now...and I
didn't know enough to ask about the possibility.  So I'm a little
thrown off, doing a lot of research online which is just scary in
itself.  So we're going to make the 3 hour drive to the children's
hospital to find out either way.  I need to stop wondering and
speculating about it.  It's been all I can think about since the
doctor mentioned it last week.  I find myself looking at my daughter
and thinking "hmmm...maybe she does have this syptom ot that
symptom".

Anyway, I just hope I"m doing the right thing and wonder if anyone
else has a similar experience so I don't feel so on my own right
now.  Thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Heather

To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:41 AM GREG

Subject: [MD-List] Re: Social Security Disability

Okay so I called up the SS office, and they basically told me to
ignore the letter and that my application for SSI is still pending and
will be for probably 4 months! Yuck.

--- In MD-List@yahoogroups.com, "Adele" <jasona65@...> wrote:
>
> Heather, Yes, that's correct, in order to SS you would of have to
worked
> for so many quarters. I'm not sure how long that is, but I would
guess at
> least 2 years. The only other way to get SS is to have a parent retire,
> then you would get benefits through them.
>
>
>
> Have you applies to SSI, Supplemental Security Income. This, you
just have
> to be disabled and have no more then about $2,000 in assets. If you
haven't
> applied, you go to the SS office and tell them you want SSI not SS.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if all the States SSI programs come with it, but here in
> Maryland, there is a tuition waiver, at least for Community College, not
> sure about any other state school.
>
>
>
> Adele
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: MD-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MD-List@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
> Heather
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:26 PM
> To: MD-List@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [MD-List] Social Security Disability
>
>
>
> Alright, so. I've got a little situation and was wondering if
> anybody's been down the same path.
> I'm 19 years old- SMA 2/3. I just filed for Social Security Disability
> to help me pay for my college (I'm going off to a Uni in less than 6
> months). Of course they immediately sent a letter back saying I don't
> qualify due to not having "enough Social Security Credits". Apparently
> I'm supposed to have worked and gotten credits. Except the fact that I
> am a student devoted to work, have no transportation to/from any job,
> and have a limited amount of work I can actually do. So no, I didn't
work.
>
> I know there must be somebody who hasn't worked a day in their lives
> who gets SS payments. I only have $408 to my name! So I'm going to
> appeal their decision, but I don't really know what I'm doing..
>
> I'm still young! New at this, you know? So if anyone could help,
> please oh please let me know your situation, etc.. Thank you! - Heather
>
>
>
>
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