Hi,
Typically, a bull's eye rash would be indicative of a fresh bite and
localized infection. Not sure where yours came from or that it would
have anything to do with your treatment. But Lyme disease does weird
things to us. I would check with Gary on that one.

I did have another tick bite last year that produced a rash but I had
no other symptoms after that.

DC

--- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "lindalamb51" <lindaottley@...> wrote:
>
> I recently had an IRT treatment and the next day I suddenly got a
large, reddish, welt like,
> VERY ITCHY circular rash on my abdomen.  Over the last week it has
increased in size and
> looks suspiciously like a bull's-eye rash.  I was misdiagnosed 12
years ago when I got Lyme
> disease, partly because (I'm sure) I never saw a tick or a rash.  I
am appealing to anyone out
> there with more knowledge than I, about the Lyme rashes.  Are the
bull's-eye rashes raised
> and itchy?  This one is gradually diminishing in color but still
itches.  Does it mean anything
> that I suddenly have one???
> Linda
>

Hi,

I have been doing IRT since September, just rolled
over into group 16.  I am also on abx, have been for
10 months now.  I am not yet ready to go off abx.  I
also use a doug coil machine, although I am not too
sure how effective it is while on abx.

If a full set of codes are too much for you to handle
at once, you can do half at a time.  They are emailed
to you, so you could do half of them when you read
them to yourself.  I read them to myself, because I
can't stay on the call and listen to the music etc.
while at work.

I am not sure how it is doing IRT while on abx.  I
keep thinking I need to get off them soon and maybe
just try the IRT by itself (along with doug coil).
However, I recently started treating babesia (I think
a lot of my symptoms are from that now, along with
some lingering lyme symptoms, but I am not sure- no
positive blood test for babesia).  I don't want to go
off the mepron/zith for babesia quite yet.  I got a
hugh herx from that along with using my doug coil-
this happened twice for me last month and afterwards
did IRT codes and the herx went away....


I would ask about doing half of the codes at a time
since you are herxing a lot.  How long have you been
on abx?  How long do you think you have had lyme?

I do think IRT is helping me, but I feel that I still
have a lot of bugs to kill.

Maureen




--- cl <cronelesbo@...> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have been reading with great interest the
> various approaches to IRT and adjunct therapies.
> I'd like to know if others did/are doing IRT and
> still
> on ABs?
> Or if you started being on ABs as the sametime as
> IRT
> and then
> what?
>
> I wonder what homoepath remedies are being referred
> to?
> Are they alcohol free?  Do they make you herx too?
>
> In my opinion, I don't feel that ABs are a cure for
> lyme
> either, although I went on them (and still am) when
> first
> diagnosed because I have had lyme for many years and
> was
> so grievously ill I needed something fast to stop
> the
> progression at least. I was losing my mind and
> ability
> to walk so I didn't have time
> for slow but sure therapies. I also didn't know yet
> about IRT and
> Rife.  I have always done accupuncuture
> which I find invaluable for my CNS involvement and
> whatever is up that week.  I have a wonderful very
> knowledgeable L.ac. which really makes a difference
> with lyme. So many are not familiar with lyme, like
> the general population...
>
> I just started IRT last week and recently switched
> to
> a new AB after
> trying to go off my old one and experiencing a
> relapse
> of symptoms
> really bad.   I get anxiety so bad I want to die,
> it's
> hard to explain if one hasn't experienced it but it
> is
> a monster! For me it is intolerable, more so than
> the
> depression and unrelenting fatigue. My plan is and
> always has been to get off the ABs.  And I hope to
> begin pulsing as soon as my body settles down.  And
> then get off them all together.  I'd also like to
> try
> MMS, but not now, too many things going on.  I'm
> interested in Rifing but would like to see the IRT
> work.  I don't believe there's a miracle cure and
> I'm
> willing to give it plenty of time to work.
>
> The IRT people advised me not to change anything
> when
> starting which makes sense cause then of course,
> it's
> hard to know what's doing what.
> I'm herxing now.  Any thoughts on herxing and this
> week's session?
> Maybe I should hang up early on the codes to avoid
> to
> much herxing?
> I begin spring semester school very soon and I must
> get there beginning of semester especially so...
>
> Please email me off list to make sure I get it at:
> cronelesbo@...
>
> Thanks all!
>
>
>
> cl
>
> Sometimes the only form of
> transportation one has is a leap of faith.
>
>
>
>
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>



      
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Yes, doing well thanks.

I have been granted a bit of a reprieve. No one is in any hurry to do
any surgery at this point, thank goodness. I really feel perfectly
normal and well. Just have to keep monitoring things. It may even be
possible to make some improvements without the surgery. I'm all for
that! We'll see.

To be clear, I was off abx when I started IRT and never have been on
them again. As stated in an earlier post, I still think an important
component to my getting well was my determination to have this process
work for me and I put as much thought and energy into that as I could.
  I knew this could work for me.

Again, for me it was still several months before I really began to
feel reasonably normal and about a year or so before I could say I was
truly symptom free. I did experience occasional setbacks or saw little
improvement at some times. There were also colds and flu-like symptoms
that complicated things. I tended to not let these things bother me
though and just stayed the course. I knew I was getting better.

All there really is to do is just keep at it and get well.

Best to all,

DC


--- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Margherita" <mmdh@...> wrote:
>
> Dave, how are you feeling?  I hope you are doing well.
>
> All the best,
>
> Margherita
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: wdcharboneau
>   To: LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:47 AM
>   Subject: [LymefreeIRT] Abx and IRT
>
>
>   Hi all,
>   I don't know if this will be of any help but I think it is important
>   to realize that many antibiotics function as immuno-inhibitors. That
>   is they surpress and surplant immune response in order to do their
>   work on the body. Specifically which ones function this way most
>   often, I don't know.
>
>   Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx treatments failed. I
>   recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little else. Based on some
>   early results I was determined to make it work for me. My health was
>   restored within a year.
>
>   I think mixing all the different treatments and procedures only
>   confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing and give it all the
>   support you can to have it work for you. If you don't get the results
>   within a reasonable period of time, move on.
>
>   Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease discover that the
>   antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they effected me and
>   chose to do without them. I do not regret that at all.
>
>   A focused effort at having IRT work for you should yield measurable
>   results within a few weeks. If this is not happening for you, it is
>   appropriate to address any factors that might be getting in the way,
>   put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely, from what I have
>   seen, that things will get any worse for you. More likely, they will
>   get much better.
>
>   Best wishes,
>
>   DC
>

Hi,
I have been reading with great interest the
various approaches to IRT and adjunct therapies.
I'd like to know if others did/are doing IRT and still
on ABs?
Or if you started being on ABs as the sametime as IRT
and then
what?

I wonder what homoepath remedies are being referred
to?
Are they alcohol free?  Do they make you herx too?

In my opinion, I don't feel that ABs are a cure for
lyme
either, although I went on them (and still am) when
first
diagnosed because I have had lyme for many years and
was
so grievously ill I needed something fast to stop the
progression at least. I was losing my mind and ability
to walk so I didn't have time
for slow but sure therapies. I also didn't know yet
about IRT and
Rife.  I have always done accupuncuture
which I find invaluable for my CNS involvement and
whatever is up that week.  I have a wonderful very
knowledgeable L.ac. which really makes a difference
with lyme. So many are not familiar with lyme, like
the general population...

I just started IRT last week and recently switched to
a new AB after
trying to go off my old one and experiencing a relapse
of symptoms
really bad.   I get anxiety so bad I want to die, it's
hard to explain if one hasn't experienced it but it is
a monster! For me it is intolerable, more so than the
depression and unrelenting fatigue. My plan is and
always has been to get off the ABs.  And I hope to
begin pulsing as soon as my body settles down.  And
then get off them all together.  I'd also like to try
MMS, but not now, too many things going on.  I'm
interested in Rifing but would like to see the IRT
work.  I don't believe there's a miracle cure and I'm
willing to give it plenty of time to work.

The IRT people advised me not to change anything when
starting which makes sense cause then of course, it's
hard to know what's doing what.
I'm herxing now.  Any thoughts on herxing and this
week's session?
Maybe I should hang up early on the codes to avoid to
much herxing?
I begin spring semester school very soon and I must
get there beginning of semester especially so...

Please email me off list to make sure I get it at:
cronelesbo@...

Thanks all!



cl

Hi,
I have been reading with great interest the
various approaches to IRT and adjunct therapies.
I'd like to know if others did/are doing IRT and still
on ABs?
Or if you started being on ABs as the sametime as IRT
and then
what?

I wonder what homoepath remedies are being referred
to?
Are they alcohol free?  Do they make you herx too?

In my opinion, I don't feel that ABs are a cure for
lyme
either, although I went on them (and still am) when
first
diagnosed because I have had lyme for many years and
was
so grievously ill I needed something fast to stop the
progression at least. I was losing my mind and ability
to walk so I didn't have time
for slow but sure therapies. I also didn't know yet
about IRT and
Rife.  I have always done accupuncuture
which I find invaluable for my CNS involvement and
whatever is up that week.  I have a wonderful very
knowledgeable L.ac. which really makes a difference
with lyme. So many are not familiar with lyme, like
the general population...

I just started IRT last week and recently switched to
a new AB after
trying to go off my old one and experiencing a relapse
of symptoms
really bad.   I get anxiety so bad I want to die, it's
hard to explain if one hasn't experienced it but it is
a monster! For me it is intolerable, more so than the
depression and unrelenting fatigue. My plan is and
always has been to get off the ABs.  And I hope to
begin pulsing as soon as my body settles down.  And
then get off them all together.  I'd also like to try
MMS, but not now, too many things going on.  I'm
interested in Rifing but would like to see the IRT
work.  I don't believe there's a miracle cure and I'm
willing to give it plenty of time to work.

The IRT people advised me not to change anything when
starting which makes sense cause then of course, it's
hard to know what's doing what.
I'm herxing now.  Any thoughts on herxing and this
week's session?
Maybe I should hang up early on the codes to avoid to
much herxing?
I begin spring semester school very soon and I must
get there beginning of semester especially so...

Please email me off list to make sure I get it at:
cronelesbo@...

Thanks all!



cl

Sometimes the only form of
transportation one has is a leap of faith.


      
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----- Original Message -----

From: Carrie Jackman

To: LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:26 PM

Subject: Re: [LymefreeIRT] IRT and MMS

waht is mms?

troycline <TroyCline@cox.net> wrote:

I have not been home, but I plan on using it this weekend, I did five minutes last night and the pulser for 10. Troy

----- Original Message -----

From: Maureen Miller

To: LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:41 AM

Subject: Re: [LymefreeIRT] IRT and MMS

are you still using your doug coil machine too? how
many drops of mms are you taking, how often? i am
considering adding this a little bit later when I am
off abx, still doing IRT.

Maureen

--- Troy Cline <TroyCline@cox.net> wrote:

> I really think that IRT combined with MMS is really
> effective, the MMS
> is a radical bug killer and IRT causes your brain to
> remember the bugs
> so you are always gaining ground. Troy
>
>
>

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I have not been home, but I plan on using it this weekend, I did five minutes last night and the pulser for 10. Troy

----- Original Message -----

From: Maureen Miller

To: LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:41 AM

Subject: Re: [LymefreeIRT] IRT and MMS

are you still using your doug coil machine too? how
many drops of mms are you taking, how often? i am
considering adding this a little bit later when I am
off abx, still doing IRT.

Maureen

--- Troy Cline <TroyCline@cox.net> wrote:

> I really think that IRT combined with MMS is really
> effective, the MMS
> is a radical bug killer and IRT causes your brain to
> remember the bugs
> so you are always gaining ground. Troy
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Maureen Miller

To: LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:41 AM

Subject: Re: [LymefreeIRT] IRT and MMS

are you still using your doug coil machine too? how
many drops of mms are you taking, how often? i am
considering adding this a little bit later when I am
off abx, still doing IRT.

Maureen

--- Troy Cline <TroyCline@cox.net> wrote:

> I really think that IRT combined with MMS is really
> effective, the MMS
> is a radical bug killer and IRT causes your brain to
> remember the bugs
> so you are always gaining ground. Troy
>
>
>

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-Hi Maureen
It is best that I refer you to the web sites that Becky gave on Jan.2
especially www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/craniosacraltherapy.
MM



-- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, Maureen Miller <momiller21@...>
wrote:
>
> what is cranioscacral therapy?
>
> Maureen
>
> --- sweeter396 <mmacdonald1029@...> wrote:
>
> > --Hi Cara
> >    I agree with Dave and want you to know that
> > IRT,homeopathy and a
> > little craniosacral therapy  is the complete package
> > for me. I am
> > feeling well enough to be off IRT very soon. I am
> > feeling almost
> > thankful that I am not around any MD in Ontario that
> > even diagnoses
> > let alone uses antibiotics for Lyme.
> > Be well soon
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, cara zimmerman
> > <espiritu2espiritu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just wanted to thank you for this note.  It just
> > brought
> > everything back to the basic perspective for me in
> > an instant and was
> > very calming for me.  I get so caught up in reading
> > about all the
> > different things that can be done and people are
> > taking and I have
> > noticed how frustrated I was beginning to get.  Its
> > all very helpful
> > really, someday ;)  For myself I am so sick and at
> > the very beginning
> > of the 'kill the bugs' syndrome that I need to keep
> > it simple and to
> > stop tempting or testing myself with anything else.
> > This is where
> > the frustration and impatience comes in for me
> > 'knowing' my body cant
> > handle any of it other than IRT and homeopathy right
> > now.  Its almost
> > like an addiction for me to hurry up and get better
> > now!  Now that I
> > know something works but not needing to do it all.
> > Whats the rush
> > after being sick for so many years...whats one more.
> >  Thanks Dave.
> > >
> > >   Cara
> > >
> > > wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@> wrote:
> > >           Hi all,
> > > I don't know if this will be of any help but I
> > think it is important
> > > to realize that many antibiotics function as
> > immuno-inhibitors. That
> > > is they surpress and surplant immune response in
> > order to do their
> > > work on the body. Specifically which ones function
> > this way most
> > > often, I don't know.
> > >
> > > Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx
> > treatments failed. I
> > > recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little
> > else. Based on some
> > > early results I was determined to make it work for
> > me. My health was
> > > restored within a year.
> > >
> > > I think mixing all the different treatments and
> > procedures only
> > > confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing
> > and give it all
> > the
> > > support you can to have it work for you. If you
> > don't get the
> > results
> > > within a reasonable period of time, move on.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease
> > discover that the
> > > antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they
> > effected me and
> > > chose to do without them. I do not regret that at
> > all.
> > >
> > > A focused effort at having IRT work for you should
> > yield measurable
> > > results within a few weeks. If this is not
> > happening for you, it is
> > > appropriate to address any factors that might be
> > getting in the way,
> > > put them aside and see what happens. It is
> > unlikely, from what I
> > have
> > > seen, that things will get any worse for you. More
> > likely, they will
> > > get much better.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > DC
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>

are you still using your doug coil machine too?  how
many drops of mms are you taking, how often?  i am
considering adding this a little bit later when I am
off abx, still doing IRT.

Maureen

--- Troy Cline <TroyCline@...> wrote:

> I really think that IRT combined with MMS is really
> effective, the MMS
> is a radical bug killer and IRT causes your brain to
> remember the bugs
> so you are always gaining ground.  Troy
>
>
>



      
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I really think that IRT combined with MMS is really effective, the MMS
is a radical bug killer and IRT causes your brain to remember the bugs
so you are always gaining ground.  Troy

--Hi Cara
I agree with Dave and want you to know that IRT,homeopathy and a
little craniosacral therapy is the complete package for me. I am
feeling well enough to be off IRT very soon. I am feeling almost
thankful that I am not around any MD in Ontario that even diagnoses
let alone uses antibiotics for Lyme.
Be well soon
Mary

- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, cara zimmerman
<espiritu2espiritu@...> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to thank you for this note. It just brought
everything back to the basic perspective for me in an instant and was
very calming for me. I get so caught up in reading about all the
different things that can be done and people are taking and I have
noticed how frustrated I was beginning to get. Its all very helpful
really, someday ;) For myself I am so sick and at the very beginning
of the 'kill the bugs' syndrome that I need to keep it simple and to
stop tempting or testing myself with anything else. This is where
the frustration and impatience comes in for me 'knowing' my body cant
handle any of it other than IRT and homeopathy right now. Its almost
like an addiction for me to hurry up and get better now! Now that I
know something works but not needing to do it all. Whats the rush
after being sick for so many years...whats one more. Thanks Dave.
>
> Cara
>
> wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I don't know if this will be of any help but I think it is important
> to realize that many antibiotics function as immuno-inhibitors. That
> is they surpress and surplant immune response in order to do their
> work on the body. Specifically which ones function this way most
> often, I don't know.
>
> Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx treatments failed. I
> recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little else. Based on some
> early results I was determined to make it work for me. My health was
> restored within a year.
>
> I think mixing all the different treatments and procedures only
> confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing and give it all
the
> support you can to have it work for you. If you don't get the
results
> within a reasonable period of time, move on.
>
> Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease discover that the
> antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they effected me and
> chose to do without them. I do not regret that at all.
>
> A focused effort at having IRT work for you should yield measurable
> results within a few weeks. If this is not happening for you, it is
> appropriate to address any factors that might be getting in the way,
> put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely, from what I
have
> seen, that things will get any worse for you. More likely, they will
> get much better.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> DC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>

what is cranioscacral therapy?

Maureen

--- sweeter396 <mmacdonald1029@...> wrote:

> --Hi Cara
>    I agree with Dave and want you to know that
> IRT,homeopathy and a
> little craniosacral therapy  is the complete package
> for me. I am
> feeling well enough to be off IRT very soon. I am
> feeling almost
> thankful that I am not around any MD in Ontario that
> even diagnoses
> let alone uses antibiotics for Lyme.
> Be well soon
> Mary
>
>
>
>
>
> - In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, cara zimmerman
> <espiritu2espiritu@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just wanted to thank you for this note.  It just
> brought
> everything back to the basic perspective for me in
> an instant and was
> very calming for me.  I get so caught up in reading
> about all the
> different things that can be done and people are
> taking and I have
> noticed how frustrated I was beginning to get.  Its
> all very helpful
> really, someday ;)  For myself I am so sick and at
> the very beginning
> of the 'kill the bugs' syndrome that I need to keep
> it simple and to
> stop tempting or testing myself with anything else.
> This is where
> the frustration and impatience comes in for me
> 'knowing' my body cant
> handle any of it other than IRT and homeopathy right
> now.  Its almost
> like an addiction for me to hurry up and get better
> now!  Now that I
> know something works but not needing to do it all.
> Whats the rush
> after being sick for so many years...whats one more.
>  Thanks Dave.
> >
> >   Cara
> >
> > wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@...> wrote:
> >           Hi all,
> > I don't know if this will be of any help but I
> think it is important
> > to realize that many antibiotics function as
> immuno-inhibitors. That
> > is they surpress and surplant immune response in
> order to do their
> > work on the body. Specifically which ones function
> this way most
> > often, I don't know.
> >
> > Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx
> treatments failed. I
> > recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little
> else. Based on some
> > early results I was determined to make it work for
> me. My health was
> > restored within a year.
> >
> > I think mixing all the different treatments and
> procedures only
> > confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing
> and give it all
> the
> > support you can to have it work for you. If you
> don't get the
> results
> > within a reasonable period of time, move on.
> >
> > Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease
> discover that the
> > antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they
> effected me and
> > chose to do without them. I do not regret that at
> all.
> >
> > A focused effort at having IRT work for you should
> yield measurable
> > results within a few weeks. If this is not
> happening for you, it is
> > appropriate to address any factors that might be
> getting in the way,
> > put them aside and see what happens. It is
> unlikely, from what I
> have
> > seen, that things will get any worse for you. More
> likely, they will
> > get much better.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > DC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing.   Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
>
>
>



      
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I recently had an IRT treatment and the next day I suddenly got a large,
reddish, welt like,
VERY ITCHY circular rash on my abdomen.  Over the last week it has increased in
size and
looks suspiciously like a bull's-eye rash.  I was misdiagnosed 12 years ago when
I got Lyme
disease, partly because (I'm sure) I never saw a tick or a rash.  I am appealing
to anyone out
there with more knowledge than I, about the Lyme rashes.  Are the bull's-eye
rashes raised
and itchy?  This one is gradually diminishing in color but still itches.  Does
it mean anything
that I suddenly have one???
Linda

--Hi Cara
    I agree with Dave and want you to know that IRT,homeopathy and a
little craniosacral therapy  is the complete package for me. I am
feeling well enough to be off IRT very soon. I am feeling almost
thankful that I am not around any MD in Ontario that even diagnoses
let alone uses antibiotics for Lyme.
Be well soon
Mary





- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, cara zimmerman
<espiritu2espiritu@...> wrote:
>
> I just wanted to thank you for this note.  It just brought
everything back to the basic perspective for me in an instant and was
very calming for me.  I get so caught up in reading about all the
different things that can be done and people are taking and I have
noticed how frustrated I was beginning to get.  Its all very helpful
really, someday ;)  For myself I am so sick and at the very beginning
of the 'kill the bugs' syndrome that I need to keep it simple and to
stop tempting or testing myself with anything else.  This is where
the frustration and impatience comes in for me 'knowing' my body cant
handle any of it other than IRT and homeopathy right now.  Its almost
like an addiction for me to hurry up and get better now!  Now that I
know something works but not needing to do it all.  Whats the rush
after being sick for so many years...whats one more.  Thanks Dave.
>
>   Cara
>
> wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@...> wrote:
>           Hi all,
> I don't know if this will be of any help but I think it is important
> to realize that many antibiotics function as immuno-inhibitors. That
> is they surpress and surplant immune response in order to do their
> work on the body. Specifically which ones function this way most
> often, I don't know.
>
> Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx treatments failed. I
> recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little else. Based on some
> early results I was determined to make it work for me. My health was
> restored within a year.
>
> I think mixing all the different treatments and procedures only
> confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing and give it all
the
> support you can to have it work for you. If you don't get the
results
> within a reasonable period of time, move on.
>
> Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease discover that the
> antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they effected me and
> chose to do without them. I do not regret that at all.
>
> A focused effort at having IRT work for you should yield measurable
> results within a few weeks. If this is not happening for you, it is
> appropriate to address any factors that might be getting in the way,
> put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely, from what I
have
> seen, that things will get any worse for you. More likely, they will
> get much better.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> DC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>

Hi all,
I don't know if this will be of any help but I think it is important
to realize that many antibiotics function as immuno-inhibitors. That
is they surpress and surplant immune response in order to do their
work on the body. Specifically which ones function this way most
often, I don't know.

Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx treatments failed. I
recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little else. Based on some
early results I was determined to make it work for me. My health was
restored within a year.

I think mixing all the different treatments and procedures only
confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing and give it all the
support you can to have it work for you. If you don't get the results
within a reasonable period of time, move on.

Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease discover that the
antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they effected me and
chose to do without them. I do not regret that at all.

A focused effort at having IRT work for you should yield measurable
results within a few weeks. If this is not happening for you, it is
appropriate to address any factors that might be getting in the way,
put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely, from what I have
seen, that things will get any worse for you. More likely, they will
get much better.

Best wishes,

DC

were you off abx while doing IRT?  I know I should
probably stop taking them, but I just recently started
treating babesia and I keep on thinking I wanted to
give that some time.... am so confused!  I just rolled
into another group and am going to do an emotional
group as well.  I am thinking now that maybe the abx
is supressing what the IRT cannot get to..... because
after changing abx and using the doug coil machine I
had a hugh herx, did an IRT session on Monday and then
a rollover session on Thursday and am so much better
yesterday and today.  I keep thinking that if I go off
abx I may get worse symptom wise initially, but then
better in the long run if IRT can kill what is then
present.....

Maureen
--- wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>  I don't know if this will be of any help but I
> think it is important
> to realize that many antibiotics function as
> immuno-inhibitors. That
> is they surpress and surplant immune response in
> order to do their
> work on the body. Specifically which ones function
> this way most
> often, I don't know.
>
>  Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx
> treatments failed. I
> recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little
> else. Based on some
> early results I was determined to make it work for
> me. My health was
> restored within a year.
>
>  I think mixing all the different treatments and
> procedures only
> confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing
> and give it all the
> support you can to have it work for you. If you
> don't get the results
> within a reasonable period of time, move on.
>
>  Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease
> discover that the
> antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they
> effected me and
> chose to do without them. I do not regret that at
> all.
>
>  A focused effort at having IRT work for you should
> yield measurable
> results within a few weeks. If this is not happening
> for you, it is
> appropriate to address any factors that might be
> getting in the way,
> put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely,
> from what I have
> seen, that things will get any worse for you. More
> likely, they will
> get much better.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> DC
>
>



      
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----- Original Message -----

From: wdcharboneau

To: LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:47 AM

Subject: [LymefreeIRT] Abx and IRT

Hi all,
I don't know if this will be of any help but I think it is important
to realize that many antibiotics function as immuno-inhibitors. That
is they surpress and surplant immune response in order to do their
work on the body. Specifically which ones function this way most
often, I don't know.

Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx treatments failed. I
recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little else. Based on some
early results I was determined to make it work for me. My health was
restored within a year.

I think mixing all the different treatments and procedures only
confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing and give it all the
support you can to have it work for you. If you don't get the results
within a reasonable period of time, move on.

Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease discover that the
antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they effected me and
chose to do without them. I do not regret that at all.

A focused effort at having IRT work for you should yield measurable
results within a few weeks. If this is not happening for you, it is
appropriate to address any factors that might be getting in the way,
put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely, from what I have
seen, that things will get any worse for you. More likely, they will
get much better.

Best wishes,

DC

Hi all,
  I don't know if this will be of any help but I think it is important
to realize that many antibiotics function as immuno-inhibitors. That
is they surpress and surplant immune response in order to do their
work on the body. Specifically which ones function this way most
often, I don't know.

  Again, I turned to IRT after long term abx treatments failed. I
recovered from Lyme disease using IRT and little else. Based on some
early results I was determined to make it work for me. My health was
restored within a year.

  I think mixing all the different treatments and procedures only
confuses and complicates matters. Choose one thing and give it all the
support you can to have it work for you. If you don't get the results
within a reasonable period of time, move on.

  Unfortunately, most of us with Lyme disease discover that the
antibiotics don't work. I couldn't stand how they effected me and
chose to do without them. I do not regret that at all.

  A focused effort at having IRT work for you should yield measurable
results within a few weeks. If this is not happening for you, it is
appropriate to address any factors that might be getting in the way,
put them aside and see what happens. It is unlikely, from what I have
seen, that things will get any worse for you. More likely, they will
get much better.

Best wishes,

DC

Hi Maureen,

It won't be redundant to do both groups.  If you can handle it, it
will just help things go faster for you.  I wish I could do both at
the same time  :)  I'm only doing an emotional group right now since
that's all I can handle at this point.  Just did session 11 with group
6 Tuesday and it's really made me herx.  Besides lots of great
emotional codes in this set, Gary also included codes for neuro bugs
which have come up for me bigtime lately. I'm feelin it.

Ooo, sorry to hear about the backsliding.  Tough stuff.  Hang in
there-- it's all good, and all part of the healing process with all
this (...talking to myself here, too, if you can't tell =0))

If it were me, I'd go off the abx and see how I'd do, but that is just
my personal thought/opinion.  It might be interesting to get someone
who's really good at muscle testing to help in your decision.  You're
rifing as well, right?  And with IRT, you've got quite a good arsenal
there.  But if you can't decide about the abx right now, it's ok
really.  Just take a day at a time and things will become more clear
to you as you go along.

Blessings~
Becky


--- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, Maureen Miller <momiller21@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am in group #14, which just ended and some of us are
> going into the emotional group and/or rollover group.
> I decided to do both.  Is this going to be reduntant?
> On Mondays I will have the emotional group and on
> Wednesdays the Rollover Group, which I will have to
> read the codes for the rollover group I guess since
> they will be too close together.
>
> Is anyone else in an emotional group?  Did anyone else
> do both an emotional group and rollover group at the
> same time?
>
> I was doing pretty well, changed abx and have been
> backsliding the past month.  Now I am starting to
> think that abx may be preventing all the bugs to come
> out so I can kill them.  Ughh.... not sure if I am
> ready to give them up yet, started treating babesia.
>
> Maureen
> --- Becky <beckllen@...> wrote:
>
> > Actually, what's so weird is that despite having a
> > tough holiday
> > season overall (seemed like my symptoms all wanted
> > to come back and
> > strangle me!..emotions, too), I had a good Christmas
> > day.  Was like my
> > Thanksgiving 'milestone' all over again :).  We were
> > invited to
> > another large family's house and we spent the whole
> > afternoon and
> > evening with them.  I was able to eat everything and
> > did fine the next
> > day, slept ok, too..  One of the kids did have a
> > flu, though, and I
> > think I've been fighting that the past week.  Bleh!!
> >
> > Oh, I think I deleted that email :(-- it didn't say
> > much, though, just
> > basically wanted to wish you a happy day since I
> > know you're so far
> > from home and probably were missing family and
> > friends. But i will
> > write again soon :)
> >
> > Blessings~
> > becky
> >
> > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Becky,
> > >
> > > It's great to hear from you!
> > > Yes, come on down and play some badminton ;)
> > before I hop a plane and
> > > move again.
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear you felt yucky on Christmas...I know
> > some other folks
> > > who felt bad that day, too. Amazing.
> > >
> > > I didn't get your email! Please try to resend it
> > if you can.
> > > I'm so glad to hear you are doing well and that
> > IRT continues to bring
> > > you great benefits :)
> > > That is awesome!
> > >
> > > Take care,
> > >
> > > COnnie
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Connie!  Badminton and long walks, eh?!  I
> > can't tell you how glad
> > > > I am to hear that!
> > > >
> > > > Ahhh....tennis :-).  I haven't played in a while
> > -- too cold and rainy
> > > > here at this time of year and the indoor courts
> > are spendy.  So, I
> > > > might just have to fly down and play some
> > Badminton with you!  In my
> > > > dreams, but gosh, wouldn't that be fun.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I'm still doing IRT-- Like you, I'm in an
> > 'emotional group' right
> > > > now.  It totally amazes me how much I herx with
> > the codes.  I can
> > > > barely keep up with one session per week the way
> > I'm reacting to these
> > > > things!  I do know that Gary doesn't only do
> > emotional stuff in them,
> > > > but bugs or other issues that come up for
> > individuals, so that might
> > > > explain some of the intensity of this..
> > > >
> > > > I see from your post to Carol that you had a
> > tough holiday time
> > > > symptom-wise.  Boy, I did, too, wowzers.  But
> > then, even through the
> > > > tough weeks I have to say that I have also
> > noticed a deeper strength
> > > > beneath it all than I have had in years.
> > > >
> > > > As far as MMS goes, I am actually not doing it.
> > But I have been
> > > > following your experiences with it, and others,
> > too, with much
> > > > interest...
> > > >
> > > > Big hugs back and keep getting well down there
> > :):) So good to hear
> > > > from you.
> > > > Becky
> > > > P.S.  Did you happen to get the email I sent to
> > you on Christmas?  If
> > > > not, I think yahoo rejected it with a capital
> > "L" because I tried to
> > > > make it pretty :-P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Becky!
> > > > >
> > > > > Happy New Year!
> > > > > How are you? It sounds like you are doing
> > marvelously. That is so
> > > > > wonderful to hear!
> > > > > Are you still doing IRT?
> > > > > I thought of you last night when I was playing
> > badmitton with my
> > > > > neighbors in the street at 11 PM...thinking,
> > Becky plays tennis!
> > Wow!
> > > > > But I did pretty well with the badmitton ;)
> > ...I think my healthy,
> > > > > 15-year old opponent was sweating more than I
> > was! Made me feel good
> > > > > about my healing.
> > > > > Anyway, thanks for your great work helping
> > others on this group.
> > > > > You really have a lot of sage advice to offer
> > people.
> > > > > Good luck with the MMS!
> > > > > Be careful...it's powerful. I can't get above
> > 10 drops a day or
> > else I
> > > > > sink into a depression and get really tired
> > (Ive been on it just
> > over
> > > > > 2 weeks).
> > > > > Big hugs to you!
> > > > >
> > > > > Connie
> > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connie, Hiya!!  Good to see you here :):)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maureen, I remember those beeps and things
> > happening the first
> > time
> > > > > > codes were read to my group when I first
> > started IRT.  We were
> > > told it
> > > > > > didn't matter--the brain picks up the
> > briefly missed parts just
> > > fine.
> > > > > >  However, if you're still concerned, I agree
> > with Connie that you
> > > > > > should call before the codes are read this
> > coming week and ask
> > what
> > > > > > they think. It won't hurt to do them twice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope you are doing well... and all others
> > reading this, too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep pressing on, and God bless,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Becky
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > <conniekillbug@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maureen,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can do the codes again, it wouldn't
> > hurt you. But before you
> > > > go to
> > > > > > > the trouble, why don't you call the office
> > and find out whether
> > > > that's
> > > > > > > necessary? It might not be a big deal that
> > you missed a few of
> > > them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Connie
> > > > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I called in yesterday to hear my group's
> > codes read
> > > > > > > > and while the codes were being read
> > people kept on
> > > > > > > > coming in on the call, so I kept on
> > hearing beeps.  I
> > > > > > > > know  some of the codes were interrupted
> > for me.  I
> > > > > > > > stayed on the call anyway and listened
> > to the cd, got
> > > > > > > > set, listened again, but since i missed
> > some
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
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I just started IRT and I am
on antibiotics (ABS).
Have been for about a year
and 7 months.  I was on
Zithromax (azithromycin)
until just recently and went off it.
In about two weeks some of my
worst symptoms returned. I have
switched to Biaxin (Clarithromycin)
same class of drug.

I am also on Amoxicillin, Artemisin,
and Allicin.

I am working towards pulsing the Biaxin
(like every other day) and pulse Artmisin
on the weekends (take them off).
I would like to get off the Amox altogether.
I haven't decided about Allicin. (A souped
up garlic that is for lyme).

If I had my druthers I would pulse 3-4 weeks
on of stuff and one week off.  But I herx for
at least 5-7 days usually and am still trying
to stay in grad school so can't afford that.

I would also like to hear about people's
experience with doing IRT and ABs, including
herbals.

Please email me offlist to make sure I get it at:
cronelesbo@...

You can post to the list as well if you like,
as long as you're sure to email me offlist too cause
I may not get it otherwise.

Thanks and be well,

I just started IRT and I am
on antibiotics (ABS).
Have been for about a year
and 7 months.  I was on
Zithromax (azithromycin)
until just recently and went off it.
In about two weeks some of my
worst symptoms returned. I have
switched to Biaxin (Clarithromycin)
same class of drug.

I am also on Amoxicillin, Artemisin,
and Allicin.

I am working towards pulsing the Biaxin
(like every other day) and pulse Artmisin
on the weekends (take them off).
I would like to get off the Amox altogether.
I haven't decided about Allicin. (A souped
up garlic that is for lyme).

If I had my druthers I would pulse 3-4 weeks
on of stuff and one week off.  But I herx for
at least 5-7 days usually and am still trying
to stay in grad school so can't afford that.

I would also like to hear about people's
experience with doing IRT and ABs, including
herbals.

Please email me offlist to make sure I get it at:
cronelesbo@...

You can post to the list as well if you like,
as long as you're sure to email me offlist too cause
I may not get it otherwise.

Thanks and be well,

Hi all,

I am in group #14, which just ended and some of us are
going into the emotional group and/or rollover group.
I decided to do both.  Is this going to be reduntant?
On Mondays I will have the emotional group and on
Wednesdays the Rollover Group, which I will have to
read the codes for the rollover group I guess since
they will be too close together.

Is anyone else in an emotional group?  Did anyone else
do both an emotional group and rollover group at the
same time?

I was doing pretty well, changed abx and have been
backsliding the past month.  Now I am starting to
think that abx may be preventing all the bugs to come
out so I can kill them.  Ughh.... not sure if I am
ready to give them up yet, started treating babesia.

Maureen
--- Becky <beckllen@...> wrote:

> Actually, what's so weird is that despite having a
> tough holiday
> season overall (seemed like my symptoms all wanted
> to come back and
> strangle me!..emotions, too), I had a good Christmas
> day.  Was like my
> Thanksgiving 'milestone' all over again :).  We were
> invited to
> another large family's house and we spent the whole
> afternoon and
> evening with them.  I was able to eat everything and
> did fine the next
> day, slept ok, too..  One of the kids did have a
> flu, though, and I
> think I've been fighting that the past week.  Bleh!!
>
> Oh, I think I deleted that email :(-- it didn't say
> much, though, just
> basically wanted to wish you a happy day since I
> know you're so far
> from home and probably were missing family and
> friends. But i will
> write again soon :)
>
> Blessings~
> becky
>
> --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> <conniekillbug@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Becky,
> >
> > It's great to hear from you!
> > Yes, come on down and play some badminton ;)
> before I hop a plane and
> > move again.
> >
> > Sorry to hear you felt yucky on Christmas...I know
> some other folks
> > who felt bad that day, too. Amazing.
> >
> > I didn't get your email! Please try to resend it
> if you can.
> > I'm so glad to hear you are doing well and that
> IRT continues to bring
> > you great benefits :)
> > That is awesome!
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > COnnie
> >
> >
> > > Hi Connie!  Badminton and long walks, eh?!  I
> can't tell you how glad
> > > I am to hear that!
> > >
> > > Ahhh....tennis :-).  I haven't played in a while
> -- too cold and rainy
> > > here at this time of year and the indoor courts
> are spendy.  So, I
> > > might just have to fly down and play some
> Badminton with you!  In my
> > > dreams, but gosh, wouldn't that be fun.
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm still doing IRT-- Like you, I'm in an
> 'emotional group' right
> > > now.  It totally amazes me how much I herx with
> the codes.  I can
> > > barely keep up with one session per week the way
> I'm reacting to these
> > > things!  I do know that Gary doesn't only do
> emotional stuff in them,
> > > but bugs or other issues that come up for
> individuals, so that might
> > > explain some of the intensity of this..
> > >
> > > I see from your post to Carol that you had a
> tough holiday time
> > > symptom-wise.  Boy, I did, too, wowzers.  But
> then, even through the
> > > tough weeks I have to say that I have also
> noticed a deeper strength
> > > beneath it all than I have had in years.
> > >
> > > As far as MMS goes, I am actually not doing it.
> But I have been
> > > following your experiences with it, and others,
> too, with much
> > > interest...
> > >
> > > Big hugs back and keep getting well down there
> :):) So good to hear
> > > from you.
> > > Becky
> > > P.S.  Did you happen to get the email I sent to
> you on Christmas?  If
> > > not, I think yahoo rejected it with a capital
> "L" because I tried to
> > > make it pretty :-P
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Becky!
> > > >
> > > > Happy New Year!
> > > > How are you? It sounds like you are doing
> marvelously. That is so
> > > > wonderful to hear!
> > > > Are you still doing IRT?
> > > > I thought of you last night when I was playing
> badmitton with my
> > > > neighbors in the street at 11 PM...thinking,
> Becky plays tennis!
> Wow!
> > > > But I did pretty well with the badmitton ;)
> ...I think my healthy,
> > > > 15-year old opponent was sweating more than I
> was! Made me feel good
> > > > about my healing.
> > > > Anyway, thanks for your great work helping
> others on this group.
> > > > You really have a lot of sage advice to offer
> people.
> > > > Good luck with the MMS!
> > > > Be careful...it's powerful. I can't get above
> 10 drops a day or
> else I
> > > > sink into a depression and get really tired
> (Ive been on it just
> over
> > > > 2 weeks).
> > > > Big hugs to you!
> > > >
> > > > Connie
> > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Connie, Hiya!!  Good to see you here :):)
> > > > >
> > > > > Maureen, I remember those beeps and things
> happening the first
> time
> > > > > codes were read to my group when I first
> started IRT.  We were
> > told it
> > > > > didn't matter--the brain picks up the
> briefly missed parts just
> > fine.
> > > > >  However, if you're still concerned, I agree
> with Connie that you
> > > > > should call before the codes are read this
> coming week and ask
> what
> > > > > they think. It won't hurt to do them twice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope you are doing well... and all others
> reading this, too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep pressing on, and God bless,
> > > > >
> > > > > Becky
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> <conniekillbug@>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maureen,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can do the codes again, it wouldn't
> hurt you. But before you
> > > go to
> > > > > > the trouble, why don't you call the office
> and find out whether
> > > that's
> > > > > > necessary? It might not be a big deal that
> you missed a few of
> > them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connie
> > > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I called in yesterday to hear my group's
> codes read
> > > > > > > and while the codes were being read
> people kept on
> > > > > > > coming in on the call, so I kept on
> hearing beeps.  I
> > > > > > > know  some of the codes were interrupted
> for me.  I
> > > > > > > stayed on the call anyway and listened
> to the cd, got
> > > > > > > set, listened again, but since i missed
> some
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Actually, what's so weird is that despite having a tough holiday
season overall (seemed like my symptoms all wanted to come back and
strangle me!..emotions, too), I had a good Christmas day.  Was like my
Thanksgiving 'milestone' all over again :).  We were invited to
another large family's house and we spent the whole afternoon and
evening with them.  I was able to eat everything and did fine the next
day, slept ok, too..  One of the kids did have a flu, though, and I
think I've been fighting that the past week.  Bleh!!

Oh, I think I deleted that email :(-- it didn't say much, though, just
basically wanted to wish you a happy day since I know you're so far
from home and probably were missing family and friends. But i will
write again soon :)

Blessings~
becky

--- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Becky,
>
> It's great to hear from you!
> Yes, come on down and play some badminton ;) before I hop a plane and
> move again.
>
> Sorry to hear you felt yucky on Christmas...I know some other folks
> who felt bad that day, too. Amazing.
>
> I didn't get your email! Please try to resend it if you can.
> I'm so glad to hear you are doing well and that IRT continues to bring
> you great benefits :)
> That is awesome!
>
> Take care,
>
> COnnie
>
>
> > Hi Connie!  Badminton and long walks, eh?!  I can't tell you how glad
> > I am to hear that!
> >
> > Ahhh....tennis :-).  I haven't played in a while -- too cold and rainy
> > here at this time of year and the indoor courts are spendy.  So, I
> > might just have to fly down and play some Badminton with you!  In my
> > dreams, but gosh, wouldn't that be fun.
> >
> > Yes, I'm still doing IRT-- Like you, I'm in an 'emotional group' right
> > now.  It totally amazes me how much I herx with the codes.  I can
> > barely keep up with one session per week the way I'm reacting to these
> > things!  I do know that Gary doesn't only do emotional stuff in them,
> > but bugs or other issues that come up for individuals, so that might
> > explain some of the intensity of this..
> >
> > I see from your post to Carol that you had a tough holiday time
> > symptom-wise.  Boy, I did, too, wowzers.  But then, even through the
> > tough weeks I have to say that I have also noticed a deeper strength
> > beneath it all than I have had in years.
> >
> > As far as MMS goes, I am actually not doing it.  But I have been
> > following your experiences with it, and others, too, with much
> > interest...
> >
> > Big hugs back and keep getting well down there :):) So good to hear
> > from you.
> > Becky
> > P.S.  Did you happen to get the email I sent to you on Christmas?  If
> > not, I think yahoo rejected it with a capital "L" because I tried to
> > make it pretty :-P
> >
> >
> > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Becky!
> > >
> > > Happy New Year!
> > > How are you? It sounds like you are doing marvelously. That is so
> > > wonderful to hear!
> > > Are you still doing IRT?
> > > I thought of you last night when I was playing badmitton with my
> > > neighbors in the street at 11 PM...thinking, Becky plays tennis!
Wow!
> > > But I did pretty well with the badmitton ;) ...I think my healthy,
> > > 15-year old opponent was sweating more than I was! Made me feel good
> > > about my healing.
> > > Anyway, thanks for your great work helping others on this group.
> > > You really have a lot of sage advice to offer people.
> > > Good luck with the MMS!
> > > Be careful...it's powerful. I can't get above 10 drops a day or
else I
> > > sink into a depression and get really tired (Ive been on it just
over
> > > 2 weeks).
> > > Big hugs to you!
> > >
> > > Connie
> > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Connie, Hiya!!  Good to see you here :):)
> > > >
> > > > Maureen, I remember those beeps and things happening the first
time
> > > > codes were read to my group when I first started IRT.  We were
> told it
> > > > didn't matter--the brain picks up the briefly missed parts just
> fine.
> > > >  However, if you're still concerned, I agree with Connie that you
> > > > should call before the codes are read this coming week and ask
what
> > > > they think. It won't hurt to do them twice.
> > > >
> > > > Hope you are doing well... and all others reading this, too.
> > > >
> > > > Keep pressing on, and God bless,
> > > >
> > > > Becky
> > > >
> > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maureen,
> > > > >
> > > > > You can do the codes again, it wouldn't hurt you. But before you
> > go to
> > > > > the trouble, why don't you call the office and find out whether
> > that's
> > > > > necessary? It might not be a big deal that you missed a few of
> them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Connie
> > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I called in yesterday to hear my group's codes read
> > > > > > and while the codes were being read people kept on
> > > > > > coming in on the call, so I kept on hearing beeps.  I
> > > > > > know  some of the codes were interrupted for me.  I
> > > > > > stayed on the call anyway and listened to the cd, got
> > > > > > set, listened again, but since i missed some of the
> > > > > > codes, i am thinking i should do it again next week.
> > > > > > i wish there was a way they could have blocked out
> > > > > > more callers once they started being read.  I kept on
> > > > > > hearing beeps over the actual codes as people were
> > > > > > coming on the line.  i am not sure if repeating them
> > > > > > is an option.  they are reading the same ones next
> > > > > > week.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > maureen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Connie,
> > > > > > > Welcome to the group.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > > > > > > <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You will be in my prayers, too, David.
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the wonderful work you do for so many.
> > > > > > > I have heard of you
> > > > > > > > before and "they" speak highly of you :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Connie
> > > > > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > > Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
> > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Becky,

It's great to hear from you!
Yes, come on down and play some badminton ;) before I hop a plane and
move again.

Sorry to hear you felt yucky on Christmas...I know some other folks
who felt bad that day, too. Amazing.

I didn't get your email! Please try to resend it if you can.
I'm so glad to hear you are doing well and that IRT continues to bring
you great benefits :)
That is awesome!

Take care,

COnnie


> Hi Connie!  Badminton and long walks, eh?!  I can't tell you how glad
> I am to hear that!
>
> Ahhh....tennis :-).  I haven't played in a while -- too cold and rainy
> here at this time of year and the indoor courts are spendy.  So, I
> might just have to fly down and play some Badminton with you!  In my
> dreams, but gosh, wouldn't that be fun.
>
> Yes, I'm still doing IRT-- Like you, I'm in an 'emotional group' right
> now.  It totally amazes me how much I herx with the codes.  I can
> barely keep up with one session per week the way I'm reacting to these
> things!  I do know that Gary doesn't only do emotional stuff in them,
> but bugs or other issues that come up for individuals, so that might
> explain some of the intensity of this..
>
> I see from your post to Carol that you had a tough holiday time
> symptom-wise.  Boy, I did, too, wowzers.  But then, even through the
> tough weeks I have to say that I have also noticed a deeper strength
> beneath it all than I have had in years.
>
> As far as MMS goes, I am actually not doing it.  But I have been
> following your experiences with it, and others, too, with much
> interest...
>
> Big hugs back and keep getting well down there :):) So good to hear
> from you.
> Becky
> P.S.  Did you happen to get the email I sent to you on Christmas?  If
> not, I think yahoo rejected it with a capital "L" because I tried to
> make it pretty :-P
>
>
> --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Becky!
> >
> > Happy New Year!
> > How are you? It sounds like you are doing marvelously. That is so
> > wonderful to hear!
> > Are you still doing IRT?
> > I thought of you last night when I was playing badmitton with my
> > neighbors in the street at 11 PM...thinking, Becky plays tennis! Wow!
> > But I did pretty well with the badmitton ;) ...I think my healthy,
> > 15-year old opponent was sweating more than I was! Made me feel good
> > about my healing.
> > Anyway, thanks for your great work helping others on this group.
> > You really have a lot of sage advice to offer people.
> > Good luck with the MMS!
> > Be careful...it's powerful. I can't get above 10 drops a day or else I
> > sink into a depression and get really tired (Ive been on it just over
> > 2 weeks).
> > Big hugs to you!
> >
> > Connie
> > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Connie, Hiya!!  Good to see you here :):)
> > >
> > > Maureen, I remember those beeps and things happening the first time
> > > codes were read to my group when I first started IRT.  We were
told it
> > > didn't matter--the brain picks up the briefly missed parts just
fine.
> > >  However, if you're still concerned, I agree with Connie that you
> > > should call before the codes are read this coming week and ask what
> > > they think. It won't hurt to do them twice.
> > >
> > > Hope you are doing well... and all others reading this, too.
> > >
> > > Keep pressing on, and God bless,
> > >
> > > Becky
> > >
> > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maureen,
> > > >
> > > > You can do the codes again, it wouldn't hurt you. But before you
> go to
> > > > the trouble, why don't you call the office and find out whether
> that's
> > > > necessary? It might not be a big deal that you missed a few of
them.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Connie
> > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I called in yesterday to hear my group's codes read
> > > > > and while the codes were being read people kept on
> > > > > coming in on the call, so I kept on hearing beeps.  I
> > > > > know  some of the codes were interrupted for me.  I
> > > > > stayed on the call anyway and listened to the cd, got
> > > > > set, listened again, but since i missed some of the
> > > > > codes, i am thinking i should do it again next week.
> > > > > i wish there was a way they could have blocked out
> > > > > more callers once they started being read.  I kept on
> > > > > hearing beeps over the actual codes as people were
> > > > > coming on the line.  i am not sure if repeating them
> > > > > is an option.  they are reading the same ones next
> > > > > week.
> > > > >
> > > > > maureen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Connie,
> > > > > > Welcome to the group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > > > > > <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You will be in my prayers, too, David.
> > > > > > > Thanks for the wonderful work you do for so many.
> > > > > > I have heard of you
> > > > > > > before and "they" speak highly of you :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Connie
> > > > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Connie!  Badminton and long walks, eh?!  I can't tell you how glad
I am to hear that!

Ahhh....tennis :-).  I haven't played in a while -- too cold and rainy
here at this time of year and the indoor courts are spendy.  So, I
might just have to fly down and play some Badminton with you!  In my
dreams, but gosh, wouldn't that be fun.

Yes, I'm still doing IRT-- Like you, I'm in an 'emotional group' right
now.  It totally amazes me how much I herx with the codes.  I can
barely keep up with one session per week the way I'm reacting to these
things!  I do know that Gary doesn't only do emotional stuff in them,
but bugs or other issues that come up for individuals, so that might
explain some of the intensity of this..

I see from your post to Carol that you had a tough holiday time
symptom-wise.  Boy, I did, too, wowzers.  But then, even through the
tough weeks I have to say that I have also noticed a deeper strength
beneath it all than I have had in years.

As far as MMS goes, I am actually not doing it.  But I have been
following your experiences with it, and others, too, with much
interest...

Big hugs back and keep getting well down there :):) So good to hear
from you.
Becky
P.S.  Did you happen to get the email I sent to you on Christmas?  If
not, I think yahoo rejected it with a capital "L" because I tried to
make it pretty :-P


--- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Becky!
>
> Happy New Year!
> How are you? It sounds like you are doing marvelously. That is so
> wonderful to hear!
> Are you still doing IRT?
> I thought of you last night when I was playing badmitton with my
> neighbors in the street at 11 PM...thinking, Becky plays tennis! Wow!
> But I did pretty well with the badmitton ;) ...I think my healthy,
> 15-year old opponent was sweating more than I was! Made me feel good
> about my healing.
> Anyway, thanks for your great work helping others on this group.
> You really have a lot of sage advice to offer people.
> Good luck with the MMS!
> Be careful...it's powerful. I can't get above 10 drops a day or else I
> sink into a depression and get really tired (Ive been on it just over
> 2 weeks).
> Big hugs to you!
>
> Connie
> www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> >
> > Connie, Hiya!!  Good to see you here :):)
> >
> > Maureen, I remember those beeps and things happening the first time
> > codes were read to my group when I first started IRT.  We were told it
> > didn't matter--the brain picks up the briefly missed parts just fine.
> >  However, if you're still concerned, I agree with Connie that you
> > should call before the codes are read this coming week and ask what
> > they think. It won't hurt to do them twice.
> >
> > Hope you are doing well... and all others reading this, too.
> >
> > Keep pressing on, and God bless,
> >
> > Becky
> >
> > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maureen,
> > >
> > > You can do the codes again, it wouldn't hurt you. But before you
go to
> > > the trouble, why don't you call the office and find out whether
that's
> > > necessary? It might not be a big deal that you missed a few of them.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Connie
> > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I called in yesterday to hear my group's codes read
> > > > and while the codes were being read people kept on
> > > > coming in on the call, so I kept on hearing beeps.  I
> > > > know  some of the codes were interrupted for me.  I
> > > > stayed on the call anyway and listened to the cd, got
> > > > set, listened again, but since i missed some of the
> > > > codes, i am thinking i should do it again next week.
> > > > i wish there was a way they could have blocked out
> > > > more callers once they started being read.  I kept on
> > > > hearing beeps over the actual codes as people were
> > > > coming on the line.  i am not sure if repeating them
> > > > is an option.  they are reading the same ones next
> > > > week.
> > > >
> > > > maureen
> > > >
> > > > --- wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Connie,
> > > > > Welcome to the group.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > > > > <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will be in my prayers, too, David.
> > > > > > Thanks for the wonderful work you do for so many.
> > > > > I have heard of you
> > > > > > before and "they" speak highly of you :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connie
> > > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi,

What exactly is this?  Is anyone getting these
massages here?  Does it help a lot?  How do you find
someone who does this?

Maureen


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>
> HI Connie,
>
> It was good to hear that you are feeling better and playing
batmitton...WOW. I keep waiting for Kirsten to have the strength and
energy for such things. :)
>
***Yes, and you know, it's getting to the stage where I can sometimes
do fairly vigorous exercise like that and not be wiped out afterwards.
Just sometimes, but it's improvement anyway.
Don't worry, Kirsten will get there! It just takes a long time.

> It sounds like things are going better for you. What treatments are
you doing now besides MMS? Are you still doing the Quantum thing? I am
debating about that for Kirsten..would you recommend it?

***Yes, I am doing QT twice a month. I wish I could do it more often,
I feel that it's quite powerful. I would recommend it only if Kirsten
can be super-disciplined about environmental toxins (esp. with regards
to diet). If not, it won't work. You might give it a try, though. You
can get one free session. I am also doing MMS and IRT emotional group
and that's about it for now. Is Kirsten doing other protocol besides
IRT and MMS?
>
> Kirsten just finished up her last IRT group ten codes..it took her
awhile. :) According to Dr. Derksen most of her co-infections are gone
except bartonella and the lyme of course. She is making good progress
with the parasites also.
>
***Yay! That's great most of the co-infections are gone. Bartonella
seems to be the last one to go for many people. I had some
correspondence recently with Dr. Schaller, the doc who has written
books on babesia and other stuff.
He believes that bartonella is a bigger problem and more widespread
than Lyme disease, but nobody knows that. He spends many hours in
research and so I think he probably knows what he's taking about. He's
going to publish a book on bartonella later this year, so it might be
worth looking into.

> She was feeling better until she started the MMS. She said it's
making her feel crappy like the good old days...sigh.She was only up
to 4 drops in the evening for about 10 days...it was giving her a lot
of bone pain and headaches and fluish feeling so she has taken a few
days off...poor kid. I think it's making her more depressed also.
>
***It's really strong. I dont think that Humble's recommended doses
can apply to Lyme sufferers at all. I thought I was doing pretty well
bug-wise but I cant get past 10 drops a day without feeling
significant fatigue and depression. (Ive been on it for 2.5 weeks).
Make sure she's detoxing. That should help some.

> Are you taking 10 drops 1x a day or 5 drops am and 5 drops pm.?
>
***I'm doing it twice daily, spaced three hours apart. But today did
one dose of 10 drops, just to see what would happen, and am more tired
again. There's no right way to do this though, it seems. Humble is
currently advocating spreading doses out so that you are taking
something every 2 hours but who knows if it's best...

> I am watching Kirsten just feel like she is never going to beat
this..even though the Dr. tested her and was amazed at all the change.
I guess it takes time eh?
>
***Yes, it takes time. Too much time! But that is encouraging that
she is feeling better and has evidence of change.
How long have you been treating her?

> It's soooo encouraging to hear you and Becky report how you are
doing better. I know you were having some pretty low spots yourself
not all that long ago.You must have an iron will!
>
***Yes, I still have rough patches, for sure. On Christmas I felt as
bad as I did a year ago, but part of that was emotional, part of it
was the full moon, and then doing MMS! I was stunned at how crappy I
felt, to be honest. One thing I seem to be learning with this though
is that you can't measure progress by how bad you feel on the bad
days, but by how much better you are feeling on the good days. That I
now have days where I can hike for two or three hours and not feel
fatigued afterwards is significant for me. This has been perhaps the
greatest improvement I've noticed with QT. The heaviness in my body is
leaving. MMS is counteracting that a bit now, (which makes me want to
stop it)! but I'm going easy on the dosing so I dont get depressed and
discouraged. Depression will keep us sick just as much as any bug!

> DO you herx with pain on the MMS?
>
***No pain. Just brain fog, depression, grouchiness and fatigue (so
far). I kinda wish I had pain!

> OH well, I am rambling. Have a great New Year..maybe this is the
year for you to have great health again!!!!
>
***Yes, here's to greater health in 2008! Maybe it will be the year
Kirsten gets her health back, too. :)) Are you going to continue with
IRT?
It sounds like it's been really helpful.

Blessings to you, and Happy New Year!
Connie

> Blessings on you
> Carol
>
> Connie <conniekillbug@...> wrote: Hi
Becky!
>
> Happy New Year!
> How are you? It sounds like you are doing marvelously. That is so
> wonderful to hear!
> Are you still doing IRT?
> I thought of you last night when I was playing badmitton with my
> neighbors in the street at 11 PM...thinking, Becky plays tennis! Wow!
> But I did pretty well with the badmitton ;) ...I think my healthy,
> 15-year old opponent was sweating more than I was! Made me feel good
> about my healing.
> Anyway, thanks for your great work helping others on this group.
> You really have a lot of sage advice to offer people.
> Good luck with the MMS!
> Be careful...it's powerful. I can't get above 10 drops a day or else I
> sink into a depression and get really tired (Ive been on it just over
> 2 weeks).
> Big hugs to you!
>
> Connie
> www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
>
> >
> > Connie, Hiya!! Good to see you here :):)
> >
> > Maureen, I remember those beeps and things happening the first time
> > codes were read to my group when I first started IRT. We were
told it
> > didn't matter--the brain picks up the briefly missed parts just fine.
> > However, if you're still concerned, I agree with Connie that you
> > should call before the codes are read this coming week and ask what
> > they think. It won't hurt to do them twice.
> >
> > Hope you are doing well... and all others reading this, too.
> >
> > Keep pressing on, and God bless,
> >
> > Becky
> >
> > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie" <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maureen,
> > >
> > > You can do the codes again, it wouldn't hurt you. But before
you go to
> > > the trouble, why don't you call the office and find out whether
that's
> > > necessary? It might not be a big deal that you missed a few of
them.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Connie
> > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I called in yesterday to hear my group's codes read
> > > > and while the codes were being read people kept on
> > > > coming in on the call, so I kept on hearing beeps. I
> > > > know some of the codes were interrupted for me. I
> > > > stayed on the call anyway and listened to the cd, got
> > > > set, listened again, but since i missed some of the
> > > > codes, i am thinking i should do it again next week.
> > > > i wish there was a way they could have blocked out
> > > > more callers once they started being read. I kept on
> > > > hearing beeps over the actual codes as people were
> > > > coming on the line. i am not sure if repeating them
> > > > is an option. they are reading the same ones next
> > > > week.
> > > >
> > > > maureen
> > > >
> > > > --- wdcharboneau <wdcharboneau@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Connie,
> > > > > Welcome to the group.
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In LymefreeIRT@yahoogroups.com, "Connie"
> > > > > <conniekillbug@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You will be in my prayers, too, David.
> > > > > > Thanks for the wonderful work you do for so many.
> > > > > I have heard of you
> > > > > > before and "they" speak highly of you :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connie
> > > > > > www.lymebytes.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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-Quantum techniques: www.quantumtechniques.com.

Uses codes and muscle testing (but in a dissimilar manner to IRT) to
release emotional trauma and bugs from the body. Requires a person to
eliminate toxins from their life, whether dietary, electromagnetic,
chemical, emotional or whatever.


> Can anyone expound on what QT is?
>