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Doug,

I have lead poisining from old paint I sanded in a rental. Did you have symptons of joint pain? I did the cheleation and my hands and joitns are still a problem. Wondering if I'll ever stop feeling like a 90 year old waoman.

Donna

From: humphriesdoug <humphriesdoug@...>
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:44:27 AM
Subject: [LPAE] Re: Fw: [Leadnet] "Is lead linked to mental decline?"

Hi all

I have been proceeding along my detox path with my hair analysis off the top of the page with regard to lead sometimes as I have an analysis done every four months.

As I detox with IV chelation with EDTA (I have had 36 treatments but none for several months) as well as with oral chelation I have noticed that the lead in my hair can vary enormously which to me implies that the detoxification can occur in sudden avalanche type releases of toxic metals. As predicted the first thing that comes out is the lead, followed by cadmium followed by mercury. All my problems started in 1970 when I was poisoned with methyl mercury chloride fungicide while preparing seed wheat. It is known that mercury stuffs up many of the body's mechanisms for detoxification. It is listed in the following document as one of the most toxic pesticides ever developed. I found this link most helpful. For me I had an identifiable exposure to methyl mercury chloride which enabled me to make the link. One of the most notable characteristics of organo mercury poisoning is that there can be a silent latency period of 150 days between exposure and symptoms.

It is noteworthy that 5 months after exposure that I was incorrectly diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic (subjective rubbish from a well meaning but ignorant medical profession).

Being treated for toxic metals has been like having a veil lifted. The lesson is - do an exposure analysis taking into account the time delay between exposure and symptoms.

Here is another great resource.

http://www.epa. gov/oppfead1/ safety/healthcar e/handbook/ handbook. htm

I think that there is a huge problem out there that the silent latency is masking as it did with other medical / environmental / poisoning diagnostic disasters.

Cheers

Doug Humphries

--- In LPAE@yahoogroups. com, <egroup@...> wrote:
>
> for all those interested in later health effects of lead (and pesticides and
> mercury, etc) please refer to the website below. I have also pasted the text
> of the article at the end.
> Kind regards
> Elizabeth O'Brien
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph Scott" rscott@...
> To: leadnet@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:12 AM
> Subject: [Leadnet] "Is lead linked to mental decline?"
>
>
> A June 15 news story that reviews some research on lead exposure in
> childhood and mental decline later in life:
>
> www.orlandosentinel .com/orl- leadbrain08jun15 ,0,3574316. story
> ----------
> Ralph Scott
> Community Projects Director
> Alliance for Healthy Homes
> 50 F St., NW, Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20001
>
> phone - 202-347-7610
> fax - 202-347-0058
> rscott@...; www.afhh.org
>
> Working for affordable healthy housing for all.
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> [LID 9565]
>
> OrlandoSentinel. com
> YOUR TIME: WELLNESS
> Is lead linked to mental decline?
> Some experts say long-ago exposure to the toxin adversely affects the brain
> later in life, but more study is necessary.
> Malcolm Ritter
>
> The Associated Press June 15, 2008
>
> Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts many older
> people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades before?
>
> That's the provocative idea emerging from some studies, part of a broader
> area of new research that suggests some pollutants can cause harm that shows
> up only years after someone is exposed.
>
> The work suggests long-ago lead exposure can make an aging person's brain
> work as if it's five years older than it really is. If that's verified by
> more research, it means that sharp cuts in environmental lead levels more
> than 20 years ago didn't stop its widespread effects.
>
> "We're trying to offer a caution that a portion of what has been called
> normal aging might in fact be due to ubiquitous environmental exposures like
> lead," says Dr. Brian Schwartz of Johns Hopkins University.
>
> "The fact that it's happening with lead is the first proof of principle that
> it's possible," says Schwartz, a leader in the study of lead's delayed
> effects. Other pollutants such as mercury and pesticides may do the same
> thing, he says.
>
> In fact, some recent research does suggest that being exposed to pesticides
> raises the risk of getting Parkinson's disease a decade or more later.
> Experts say such studies in mercury are lacking.
>
> The notion of long-delayed effects is familiar; tobacco and asbestos, for
> example, can lead to cancer. But in recent years, scientists are coming to
> appreciate that exposure to other pollutants in early life also may promote
> disease much later on.
>
> "It's an emerging area" for research, says Dr. Philip Landrigan of the Mount
> Sinai School of Medicine in New York. It certainly makes sense that if a
> substance destroys brain cells in early life, the brain may cope by drawing
> on its reserve capacity until it loses still more cells with aging, he said.
> Only then would symptoms such as forgetfulness or tremors appear.
>
> Linda Birnbaum, director of experimental toxicology at the U.S.
> Environmental Protection Agency, says infant mice exposed to chemicals such
> as PCBs show only very subtle effects in young adulthood. But more dramatic
> harm in areas such as movement and learning appears when they reach old age.
>
> Animal studies also show clear evidence that being exposed to harmful
> substances in the womb can harm health later on, she says. For example,
> rodents that encounter PCBs or dioxins before birth are more susceptible to
> cancer once they grow up.
>
> Studying delayed effects in people is difficult because they generally must
> be followed for a long time. Research with lead is easier because scientists
> can measure the amount that has accumulated in the shinbone over decades and
> get a read on how much lead a person has been exposed to in the past.
>
> Lead in the blood, by contrast, reflects recent exposure. Virtually all
> Americans have lead in their blood, but the amounts are far lower today than
> in the past.
>
> The big reason for the drop: the phasing out of lead in gasoline from 1976
> to 1991. Because of that and accompanying measures, the average lead level
> in the blood of American adults fell 30 percent by 1980 and about 80 percent
> by 1990.
>
> That's a major success story for environmentalists. But work by Schwartz and
> Dr. Howard Hu of the University of Michigan suggests that the long-term
> effects of the high-lead era are still being felt.
>
> In 2006, Schwartz and his colleagues published a study of about 1,000
> Baltimore residents. They were ages 50 to 70, old enough to have absorbed
> plenty of lead before it disappeared from gasoline. They probably got their
> peak doses in the 1960s and 1970s, Schwartz says, mostly by inhaling air
> pollution from vehicle exhaust and from other sources in the environment.
>
> The researchers estimated each person's lifetime dose by scanning their
> shinbones for lead. Then they gave each one a battery of mental-ability
> tests.
>
> In brief, the scientists found that the higher the lifetime lead dose, the
> poorer the performance across a wide variety of mental functions, such as
> verbal and visual memory and language ability. From low to high dose, the
> difference in mental functioning was about the equivalent of aging by two to
> six years.
>
> "We think that's a large effect," Schwartz says.
>
> Hu and his colleagues took a slightly different approach in a 2004 study of
> 466 men with an average age of 67. Those men took a mental-ability test
> twice, about four years apart on average. Those with the highest bone lead
> levels showed more decline between exams than those with smaller levels,
> with the effect of the lead equal to about five years of aging.
>
> Nobody is claiming that lead is the sole cause of age-related mental
> decline, but it appears to be one of several factors involved, Hu stresses.
>
> If so, it would join such possible influences as high blood pressure,
> diabetes, stroke, emotional stress and maybe education level, said Bradley
> Wise of the National Institute on Aging. Nobody knows exactly what causes
> mental decline with age, he says.
>
> Although the studies by Hu and Schwartz suggest lead is involved, Wise and
> others say they don't prove the link.
>
> "I think many things impact how we age, but I think right now it's maybe
> premature to be giving lead a huge role in our age-related cognitive
> decline," says Dr. Margit L. Bleecker, director of the Center for
> Occupational and Environmental Neurology in Baltimore. Still, she calls the
> lead hypothesis "a very interesting idea" deserving more study.
>
> Others are more impressed.
>
> "The new evidence from these studies should concern people" says
> epidemiologist Andrew Rowland of the University of New Mexico. "These two
> research groups are finding adverse effects on the aging brain at low levels
> of lead exposure. More work needs to be done, but these studies are raising
> important questions."
>
>
>
>
> Copyright � 2008, Orlando Sentinel
>

#155

From: "humphriesdoug" <humphriesdoug@...>
Date: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Fw: [Leadnet] "Is lead linked to mental decline?"

humphriesdoug

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http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/suppl-5/851-854weiss/weiss-full.html

Hi all

I have been proceeding along my detox path with my hair analysis off the top of the page with regard to lead sometimes as I have an analysis done every four months.

It is noteworthy that 5 months after exposure that I was incorrectly diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic (subjective rubbish from a well meaning but ignorant medical profession).

Being treated for toxic metals has been like having a veil lifted. The lesson is - do an exposure analysis taking into account the time delay between exposure and symptoms.

Here is another great resource.

http://www.epa.gov/oppfead1/safety/healthcare/handbook/handbook.htm

I think that there is a huge problem out there that the silent latency is masking as it did with other medical / environmental / poisoning diagnostic disasters.

Cheers

Doug Humphries

--- In LPAE@yahoogroups.com, <egroup@...> wrote:
>
> for all those interested in later health effects of lead (and pesticides and
> mercury, etc) please refer to the website below. I have also pasted the text
> of the article at the end.
> Kind regards
> Elizabeth O'Brien
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph Scott" rscott@...
> To: leadnet@...
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:12 AM
> Subject: [Leadnet] "Is lead linked to mental decline?"
>
>
> A June 15 news story that reviews some research on lead exposure in
> childhood and mental decline later in life:
>
> www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-leadbrain08jun15,0,3574316.story
> ----------
> Ralph Scott
> Community Projects Director
> Alliance for Healthy Homes
> 50 F St., NW, Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20001
>
> phone - 202-347-7610
> fax - 202-347-0058
> rscott@...; www.afhh.org
>
> Working for affordable healthy housing for all.
>
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> www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-leadbrain08jun15,0,3574316.story
> [LID 9565]
>
> OrlandoSentinel.com
> YOUR TIME: WELLNESS
> Is lead linked to mental decline?
> Some experts say long-ago exposure to the toxin adversely affects the brain
> later in life, but more study is necessary.
> Malcolm Ritter
>
> The Associated Press June 15, 2008
>
> Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts many older
> people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades before?
>
> That's the provocative idea emerging from some studies, part of a broader
> area of new research that suggests some pollutants can cause harm that shows
> up only years after someone is exposed.
>
> The work suggests long-ago lead exposure can make an aging person's brain
> work as if it's five years older than it really is. If that's verified by
> more research, it means that sharp cuts in environmental lead levels more
> than 20 years ago didn't stop its widespread effects.
>
> "We're trying to offer a caution that a portion of what has been called
> normal aging might in fact be due to ubiquitous environmental exposures like
> lead," says Dr. Brian Schwartz of Johns Hopkins University.
>
> "The fact that it's happening with lead is the first proof of principle that
> it's possible," says Schwartz, a leader in the study of lead's delayed
> effects. Other pollutants such as mercury and pesticides may do the same
> thing, he says.
>
> In fact, some recent research does suggest that being exposed to pesticides
> raises the risk of getting Parkinson's disease a decade or more later.
> Experts say such studies in mercury are lacking.
>
> The notion of long-delayed effects is familiar; tobacco and asbestos, for
> example, can lead to cancer. But in recent years, scientists are coming to
> appreciate that exposure to other pollutants in early life also may promote
> disease much later on.
>
> "It's an emerging area" for research, says Dr. Philip Landrigan of the Mount
> Sinai School of Medicine in New York. It certainly makes sense that if a
> substance destroys brain cells in early life, the brain may cope by drawing
> on its reserve capacity until it loses still more cells with aging, he said.
> Only then would symptoms such as forgetfulness or tremors appear.
>
> Linda Birnbaum, director of experimental toxicology at the U.S.
> Environmental Protection Agency, says infant mice exposed to chemicals such
> as PCBs show only very subtle effects in young adulthood. But more dramatic
> harm in areas such as movement and learning appears when they reach old age.
>
> Animal studies also show clear evidence that being exposed to harmful
> substances in the womb can harm health later on, she says. For example,
> rodents that encounter PCBs or dioxins before birth are more susceptible to
> cancer once they grow up.
>
> Studying delayed effects in people is difficult because they generally must
> be followed for a long time. Research with lead is easier because scientists
> can measure the amount that has accumulated in the shinbone over decades and
> get a read on how much lead a person has been exposed to in the past.
>
> Lead in the blood, by contrast, reflects recent exposure. Virtually all
> Americans have lead in their blood, but the amounts are far lower today than
> in the past.
>
> The big reason for the drop: the phasing out of lead in gasoline from 1976
> to 1991. Because of that and accompanying measures, the average lead level
> in the blood of American adults fell 30 percent by 1980 and about 80 percent
> by 1990.
>
> That's a major success story for environmentalists. But work by Schwartz and
> Dr. Howard Hu of the University of Michigan suggests that the long-term
> effects of the high-lead era are still being felt.
>
> In 2006, Schwartz and his colleagues published a study of about 1,000
> Baltimore residents. They were ages 50 to 70, old enough to have absorbed
> plenty of lead before it disappeared from gasoline. They probably got their
> peak doses in the 1960s and 1970s, Schwartz says, mostly by inhaling air
> pollution from vehicle exhaust and from other sources in the environment.
>
> The researchers estimated each person's lifetime dose by scanning their
> shinbones for lead. Then they gave each one a battery of mental-ability
> tests.
>
> In brief, the scientists found that the higher the lifetime lead dose, the
> poorer the performance across a wide variety of mental functions, such as
> verbal and visual memory and language ability. From low to high dose, the
> difference in mental functioning was about the equivalent of aging by two to
> six years.
>
> "We think that's a large effect," Schwartz says.
>
> Hu and his colleagues took a slightly different approach in a 2004 study of
> 466 men with an average age of 67. Those men took a mental-ability test
> twice, about four years apart on average. Those with the highest bone lead
> levels showed more decline between exams than those with smaller levels,
> with the effect of the lead equal to about five years of aging.
>
> Nobody is claiming that lead is the sole cause of age-related mental
> decline, but it appears to be one of several factors involved, Hu stresses.
>
> If so, it would join such possible influences as high blood pressure,
> diabetes, stroke, emotional stress and maybe education level, said Bradley
> Wise of the National Institute on Aging. Nobody knows exactly what causes
> mental decline with age, he says.
>
> Although the studies by Hu and Schwartz suggest lead is involved, Wise and
> others say they don't prove the link.
>
> "I think many things impact how we age, but I think right now it's maybe
> premature to be giving lead a huge role in our age-related cognitive
> decline," says Dr. Margit L. Bleecker, director of the Center for
> Occupational and Environmental Neurology in Baltimore. Still, she calls the
> lead hypothesis "a very interesting idea" deserving more study.
>
> Others are more impressed.
>
> "The new evidence from these studies should concern people" says
> epidemiologist Andrew Rowland of the University of New Mexico. "These two
> research groups are finding adverse effects on the aging brain at low levels
> of lead exposure. More work needs to be done, but these studies are raising
> important questions."
>
>
>
>
> Copyright � 2008, Orlando Sentinel
>

#154

From: <egroup@...>
Date: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:22 am
Subject: Fw: [Leadnet] "Is lead linked to mental decline?"

leadliz

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for all those interested in later health effects of lead (and pesticides and
mercury, etc) please refer to the website below. I have also pasted the text
of the article at the end.
Kind regards
Elizabeth O'Brien

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Scott" <rscott@...>
To: <leadnet@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:12 AM
Subject: [Leadnet] "Is lead linked to mental decline?"

A June 15 news story that reviews some research on lead exposure in
childhood and mental decline later in life:

www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-leadbrain08jun15,0,3574316.story
----------
Ralph Scott
Community Projects Director
Alliance for Healthy Homes
50 F St., NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20001

phone - 202-347-7610
fax - 202-347-0058
rscott@...; www.afhh.org

Working for affordable healthy housing for all.

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[LID 9565]

OrlandoSentinel.com
YOUR TIME: WELLNESS
Is lead linked to mental decline?
Some experts say long-ago exposure to the toxin adversely affects the brain
later in life, but more study is necessary.
Malcolm Ritter

The Associated Press June 15, 2008

Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts many older
people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades before?

That's the provocative idea emerging from some studies, part of a broader
area of new research that suggests some pollutants can cause harm that shows
up only years after someone is exposed.

The work suggests long-ago lead exposure can make an aging person's brain
work as if it's five years older than it really is. If that's verified by
more research, it means that sharp cuts in environmental lead levels more
than 20 years ago didn't stop its widespread effects.

"We're trying to offer a caution that a portion of what has been called
normal aging might in fact be due to ubiquitous environmental exposures like
lead," says Dr. Brian Schwartz of Johns Hopkins University.

"The fact that it's happening with lead is the first proof of principle that
it's possible," says Schwartz, a leader in the study of lead's delayed
effects. Other pollutants such as mercury and pesticides may do the same
thing, he says.

In fact, some recent research does suggest that being exposed to pesticides
raises the risk of getting Parkinson's disease a decade or more later.
Experts say such studies in mercury are lacking.

The notion of long-delayed effects is familiar; tobacco and asbestos, for
example, can lead to cancer. But in recent years, scientists are coming to
appreciate that exposure to other pollutants in early life also may promote
disease much later on.

"It's an emerging area" for research, says Dr. Philip Landrigan of the Mount
Sinai School of Medicine in New York. It certainly makes sense that if a
substance destroys brain cells in early life, the brain may cope by drawing
on its reserve capacity until it loses still more cells with aging, he said.
Only then would symptoms such as forgetfulness or tremors appear.

Linda Birnbaum, director of experimental toxicology at the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency, says infant mice exposed to chemicals such
as PCBs show only very subtle effects in young adulthood. But more dramatic
harm in areas such as movement and learning appears when they reach old age.

Animal studies also show clear evidence that being exposed to harmful
substances in the womb can harm health later on, she says. For example,
rodents that encounter PCBs or dioxins before birth are more susceptible to
cancer once they grow up.

Studying delayed effects in people is difficult because they generally must
be followed for a long time. Research with lead is easier because scientists
can measure the amount that has accumulated in the shinbone over decades and
get a read on how much lead a person has been exposed to in the past.

Lead in the blood, by contrast, reflects recent exposure. Virtually all
Americans have lead in their blood, but the amounts are far lower today than
in the past.

The big reason for the drop: the phasing out of lead in gasoline from 1976
to 1991. Because of that and accompanying measures, the average lead level
in the blood of American adults fell 30 percent by 1980 and about 80 percent
by 1990.

That's a major success story for environmentalists. But work by Schwartz and
Dr. Howard Hu of the University of Michigan suggests that the long-term
effects of the high-lead era are still being felt.

In 2006, Schwartz and his colleagues published a study of about 1,000
Baltimore residents. They were ages 50 to 70, old enough to have absorbed
plenty of lead before it disappeared from gasoline. They probably got their
peak doses in the 1960s and 1970s, Schwartz says, mostly by inhaling air
pollution from vehicle exhaust and from other sources in the environment.

The researchers estimated each person's lifetime dose by scanning their
shinbones for lead. Then they gave each one a battery of mental-ability
tests.

In brief, the scientists found that the higher the lifetime lead dose, the
poorer the performance across a wide variety of mental functions, such as
verbal and visual memory and language ability. From low to high dose, the
difference in mental functioning was about the equivalent of aging by two to
six years.

"We think that's a large effect," Schwartz says.

Hu and his colleagues took a slightly different approach in a 2004 study of
466 men with an average age of 67. Those men took a mental-ability test
twice, about four years apart on average. Those with the highest bone lead
levels showed more decline between exams than those with smaller levels,
with the effect of the lead equal to about five years of aging.

Nobody is claiming that lead is the sole cause of age-related mental
decline, but it appears to be one of several factors involved, Hu stresses.

If so, it would join such possible influences as high blood pressure,
diabetes, stroke, emotional stress and maybe education level, said Bradley
Wise of the National Institute on Aging. Nobody knows exactly what causes
mental decline with age, he says.

Although the studies by Hu and Schwartz suggest lead is involved, Wise and
others say they don't prove the link.

"I think many things impact how we age, but I think right now it's maybe
premature to be giving lead a huge role in our age-related cognitive
decline," says Dr. Margit L. Bleecker, director of the Center for
Occupational and Environmental Neurology in Baltimore. Still, she calls the
lead hypothesis "a very interesting idea" deserving more study.

Others are more impressed.

"The new evidence from these studies should concern people" says
epidemiologist Andrew Rowland of the University of New Mexico. "These two
research groups are finding adverse effects on the aging brain at low levels
of lead exposure. More work needs to be done, but these studies are raising
important questions."

Copyright � 2008, Orlando Sentinel

#153

From: <egroup@...>
Date: Fri May 16, 2008 11:23 am
Subject: Media release from The LEAD Group - Australian NGO launches policy for lead poisoning prevention

leadliz

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Friday 16^th May 2008 - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

“Go tell it on the mountain” – Australian NGO launches policy for lead poisoning prevention

The LEAD (Lead Education and Abatement Design) Group, has developed a model policy for national governments to prevent lead poisoning in their own populations.

The policy is The LEAD Group’s contribution to the NHMRC’s (National Health and Medical Research Council) recent Canberra meeting to develop such a policy for Australia.

“The problem of lead poisoning goes beyond Australia,” says Elizabeth O’Brien, President of The LEAD Group. “And what goes around comes around – lead-contaminated food, toys and other products being a case in point.”

“Australia’s lead (and lead-containing coal) is exported to the world. It’s therefore appropriate and a moral imperative, that The LEAD Group “export” a policy, via our website, for preventing lead poisoning and contamination.”

The model policy outlines the steps national health ministers need to take to cover the three phases of preventing lead poisoning: primary, secondary and tertiary prevention.

“A critical mass of research exists for national governments to consult, in formulating the specific details of their own policy,” said Ms O’Brien, “but, we also recommend they ask the World Health Organisation to carry out research in tertiary prevention – that is, preventing the lead already in a person’s body from causing further harm. We all carry a burden of lead because of “the mistake of the 20^th century” – adding lead to petrol.”

“Research is needed on whether treatment or other interventions prevent any of the associated adverse effects that are linked with lead: infertility, sub-optimal foetal and childhood development, later schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s, and hypertension to name a few” she said.

“Rapid industrialization, by India and China in particular, means the adoption by those countries, of a national policy for preventing lead poisoning is vital for the health of their populations. Because of the high prevalence of lead poisoning in China, The LEAD Group has just web-published our first non-English language factsheet, in Mandarin.” See 铅，衰老和死亡 - “Lead, Ageing and Death.”

“The LEAD Group’s continued existence and growth will help promote adoption, by the countries of the world, of the model health policy for the achievement of our ultimate goal – global lead poisoning elimination and the protection of the environment from lead.”

Contact: Elizabeth O’Brien, The LEAD Group - +61 2 97160132, mobile +61 431184933 ###

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#152

From: Patricia Wall <patLwall@...>
Date: Sat May 3, 2008 5:02 am
Subject: RE: Re: Where did everyone go?

patlwall

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Thank you Jay,

Appreciate the link, very interesting. Neat reading about you in the article. J You are now famous. J

It is so very hard to find information for adult lead poisoning.

I am sorry you suffered so from it. I am glad you didn’t die!

I am heavy into picture healing, vitamins, Silva Mind Control, self healing, and very dumb about my body and what’s inside it.

For some reason, outside of losing my cognitive thinking, memories and mind, I didn’t realize if anything was happening to me because of lead. With my mind spacing – maybe I just didn’t realize it. I haven’t my usual energy, not getting things done. But I feel fine.

I think my thyroid is OK. I will be careful with self treatment, but it’s about the way I have to go as I smoke, so very few Doctors will treat me without blaming cigarettes for any and every thing including a broken leg. Thank you so very much for caring. J And please take care of yourself and get well soon.

Patricia Wall

Kamiah, ID

425-238-1204 Verizon

720 USB Card does not work in Kamiah or Grangeville, ID

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jayshane7
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:39 AM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] Re: Where did everyone go?

Hello,

I am so very sorry for everybody on this list - it is quite difficult
finding out information about lead poisoning and its effects on
adults but gradually more information is becoming available, thanks
to the internet.

I nearly died from chronic lead poisoning - I had a reading of 11.7 m
mol/L when I finally suffered from lead encephalopothy, went
unconscious and was admitted to hospital where they finally found out
what was wrong after 10 years of being misdiagnosed with Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome. There is quite a good article at the following
link - I get a mention at the very bottom - I just knew I would make
it into print one day lol!

http://www.mineralysis.com.hk/eng/medicalnews4.html

I was treated with a drip containing EDTA to get the worst of the
lead out, then went onto a horrible drug called D-Penamine
(penicillamine) which is quite deadly - the side effects are
extremely toxic and I could only tolerate it for about 6 months. I
see my doctor every 6 months now to monitor how everything is going
and still have a relatively high reading. As I am sure you all know,
lead is stored in bone and as the bones thin down the lead leeches
out into the bloodstream. I currently have a reading of 1.48m mol/L
or 31 which is a new method of measurement which I don't actually
understand. If anybody can enlighten me about measurements I would
be extremely grateful.

Please be very careful with self-treatment, as I believe it can be
quite dangerous. Also in the case of an under active/over active
thyroid you need to be aware that you can tip the balance over quite
easily although I suppose, Patricia, that you only wish to find out
whether the balance is out. I don't think that you can do this
yourself but I'm afraid I don't really know.

I have been advised to keep as active as I can to keep the calcium
levels as high as possible in my body, and pass on this advice for
what it is worth.

Good luck, everybody, and God Bless,

Warmest wishes,
Jay

--- In LPAE@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Linni,
> Can I check out my thyroid, without a Dr? We have left MX and Dr
Coyle,
> and didn't think or know of this. So now I am without a Dr for
another
> year.
> I would like to do the hair metals test in about August, and have
to find
> out how to do that without a Dr also.
> Do you have any information on that?
> Also, do you know where and how to do a hair test for heavy metals,
with out
> a Dr? The cost, where to send it and all?
> I would like my brother and daughter to do it. A regular med Dr
doesn't
> believe in that. and the naturalpaths are getting so very $$, and
mine
> quite on me.
> Thanks for any info, and for the upbeat, you can do it. :)
> Hugs
> Patricia
>
>
> On 4/11/08, linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there everyone,
> > Just want to share that there is hope for all of us. I did only
have 11 on
> > my lead test but after 6 weeks DMSA orally I am at 6 and clear
headed for
> > the first time in many years.....I'm thinking now I could have
done better
> > in college if I had cleared this sooner...HA! I've even had the
crazy notion
> > that I could have even made it through medical school..wow!
> >
> > Hang in there..it does improve...
> >
> > Do you all know that metal toxicity causes auto-immune disorders
such as
> > Hashimoto's disease (thyroid) and 80 something others?.
Google "auto-immune
> > disorders for symptoms. Has anyone checked their adrenals for
adrenal
> > fatigue? When my adrenals are depleted I can't remember my
husband's name
> > let alone answer a question...HA! The metals can compromise our
weakest
> > inherited organs....check out your family history here.... Hope
this is some
> > help for you.
> >
> > *Linni Tolmachoff Haines*
> >
> > *Certified Mindful Coach*
> >
> > *ph # 337.349.6716*
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
> > From: smspratt@...
> > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:09:39 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill and Pat,
> >
> > Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to
another
> > forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go
with metal
> > toxicity.
> >
> > I am 69 and have been sick for many years. Some of the body lead
has been
> > reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove
the mercury
> > and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.
> >
> > Susan Pratt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@...>* wrote:
> >
> > I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
> > Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
> > I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
> > someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about
4,
> > so when will I see the brain return?
> >
> > Hope you are all doing well out there.
> > Patricia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live
Messenger. Get
> > started!
<http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?
ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill & Patricia Wall
> Kamiah, ID
> 425-238-1204 verizon
> patLwall@...
>

#151

From: linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...>
Date: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:51 am
Subject: RE: answers for Patricia and more questions

linnitolmachoff

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I'm glad we are all slowly getting better. Learning a new language or learning to play a new instrument helps the brain....or crossword puzzles helps too...
Thanks for the "metal shield" info....

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

Certified Mindful Coach

ph # 337.349.6716

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
From: patLwall@...
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:24:51 -0700
Subject: RE: [LPAE] answers for Patricia and more questions

Hi Linni,

Thank you so very much for all the great information. Sorry I am so late in responding, my new � to die for, 720 USB Verizon Broadband does not work in Grangeville or Kamiah, ID. I have to return it as we will be here 2 or 3 months.

It was Bill�s naturopath, Dr P, who was King 5 TV�s doctor at one time, that I went to for the heavy metals test. And yes he had me do the 6 hr urine DMSA test to find my lead and other metals.

Insurance, nothing pays for a naturopath in WA, or anything he orders for us. My lead was 69, Antimony, Cadmium, Mercury were all to the edge of the green, just before elevated. The creatinine was low to mean. My blood test for the normal stuff came in very good.

The pill DMSA taken for 19 weeks, then the EDTA taken for 9 times in MX seems to have eliminated the metals in me. But the last tests were urine � not the DMSA test and blood.

The lists on metals that I have been reading seem to think the hair test is the best, that�s why I was wondering about that.

I am also struggling to lose weight. And didn�t realize till last fall that my brain wasn�t working. I feel my brain coming back and am doing brain exercises. I am not sure all the memories will return. I am waiting for my normal energy. It seems to come and go. Not normal yet but I am feeling great most days.

My husband�s lead was high, but not near mine � but he has been doing Dr Coyle�s, MX intravenous EDTA every year. Dr Coyle is $60/treatment. No other charges � it�s good.

adult-metal-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Linda wrote that Chlorella and Cilantro put the metals into the brain if taken in high infrequent doses � notice the �if�. And is against ALA. But think that is mainly for mercury.

I don�t know about my thyroid, will have that checked in August when I plan to get another metals test.

For healing liver � Milk Thistle is great. Healed mine a couple years ago.

Also, do you know anything about the �Metal Shield� that Swanson Vitamins is now selling? It has the Chlorella, Cilantro, Spanish Black Radish Root, Humifulvate. And L-Cysterine.

Thank you again for caring and all the info.

Patricia Wall

Kamiah, ID

425-238-1204 Verizon

720 USB Card does not work in Kamiah or Grangeville, ID

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of linni tolmachoff
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:35 AM
To: lpae@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] answers for Patricia and more questions

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#150

From: Patricia Wall <patLwall@...>
Date: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:24 pm
Subject: RE: answers for Patricia and more questions

patlwall

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Hi Linni,

Thank you so very much for all the great information. Sorry I am so late in responding, my new – to die for, 720 USB Verizon Broadband does not work in Grangeville or Kamiah, ID. I have to return it as we will be here 2 or 3 months.

It was Bill’s naturopath, Dr P, who was King 5 TV’s doctor at one time, that I went to for the heavy metals test. And yes he had me do the 6 hr urine DMSA test to find my lead and other metals.

Insurance, nothing pays for a naturopath in WA, or anything he orders for us. My lead was 69, Antimony, Cadmium, Mercury were all to the edge of the green, just before elevated. The creatinine was low to mean. My blood test for the normal stuff came in very good.

The pill DMSA taken for 19 weeks, then the EDTA taken for 9 times in MX seems to have eliminated the metals in me. But the last tests were urine – not the DMSA test and blood.

The lists on metals that I have been reading seem to think the hair test is the best, that’s why I was wondering about that.

I am also struggling to lose weight. And didn’t realize till last fall that my brain wasn’t working. I feel my brain coming back and am doing brain exercises. I am not sure all the memories will return. I am waiting for my normal energy. It seems to come and go. Not normal yet but I am feeling great most days.

My husband’s lead was high, but not near mine – but he has been doing Dr Coyle’s, MX intravenous EDTA every year. Dr Coyle is $60/treatment. No other charges – it’s good.

adult-metal-chelation@yahoogroups.com, Linda wrote that Chlorella and Cilantro put the metals into the brain if taken in high infrequent doses – notice the “if”. And is against ALA. But think that is mainly for mercury.

I don’t know about my thyroid, will have that checked in August when I plan to get another metals test.

For healing liver – Milk Thistle is great. Healed mine a couple years ago.

Also, do you know anything about the “Metal Shield” that Swanson Vitamins is now selling? It has the Chlorella, Cilantro, Spanish Black Radish Root, Humifulvate. And L-Cysterine.

Thank you again for caring and all the info.

Patricia Wall

Kamiah, ID

425-238-1204 Verizon

720 USB Card does not work in Kamiah or Grangeville, ID

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of linni tolmachoff
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:35 AM
To: lpae@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] answers for Patricia and more questions

#149

From: "piano_mama52" <piano_mama52@...>
Date: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll

piano_mama52

Offline

Hello Susan,

My sister lived below a battery plant that used an unlined lagoon to
handle the wastes that they dumped every day. I babysitted her 3
children in the evenings and on the weekend so she and her husband
could work. So, I was at their home all the time. We didn't find out
about the contamination until after she had sold the house.

It was almost 30 years later, that we found out that the house was
destroyed because of the poisons. The house literally rotted and was
demolished, and 4 inches of dirt was dug up from the yard :(

The company in question bought the house and tried to destroyed the
evidence. That's how crooked they are.

We were advised to go to New York to Mt. Sinai Medical Center to have
x-ray K-florescent bone tests done. My test showed I was exposed to
pcb,s. lead, mercury, cadmium and some other poisons I can't remember
the names for. After 30 years, I still have 30% of the poisons in my
bones.

We tried to sue the company but couldn't get a qualified experienced
attorney to handle our case, so it's still in court. We are trying to
find another attorney to take our case...

My pain is in my arm where they took the cancer out. I guess it is
just going to take some time for it to heal...I hope you can get
relief from your pain soon :( I totally understand how you feel...

God Bless,
Carol

--- In LPAE@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Carol,
> Is the aching in just muscles?  I feel in in the bone.  Like in the
middle
> of the bone, like the marrow, and wonder about that.
> It's been after the Chelation.
> Do you know where you got the lead poisoning?  I have no idea where
I got
> mine.  The last test showed it gone, only 4 in the blood, and none
in the
> urine.
> Where do you get the hair tests, can you do them without a DR?  How
much do
> they cost, and are they really better than the urine tests?
> Thanks for any info.
> Patricia
> Jackpot, NV
> warm and sunny
>
>
> On 4/12/08, Susan Bernard <sbernard@...> wrote:
> >
> >    Hi Carol.  How did you find out you were contaminated and
where did it
> > come from.  I'm just plain old curious.
> >
> > The one of the symptoms I've experienced from the redistribution
of lead
> > after having chelation is an aching in my muscles.  It is always
in my legs
> > though, as they were the muscles that were used and developed the
most in my
> > body.
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *
> > piano_mama52
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:50 PM
> > *To:* LPAE@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [LPAE] Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may
hasten
> > aging's toll
> >
> >
> >
> > I was exposed to alot of the heavy metal contaminants for about 10
> > years when I was young but didn't know it until about 8 years
ago :(
> >
> > In February I was diagnosed with melanoma cancer and after the
surgery
> > on my arm, I have been having terrible pains shooting through my
arm.
> > Do you think ti could be the nerves regenerating back together or
do
> > you think the poisoning could have something to do with it?
> >
> > Thanks for any answers,
> > Carol
> >
> > --- In LPAE@
> > > >
> > > > Marie
> > > > Long ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll
> > > > Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts
many
> > > older
> > > > people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades
before?
> > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22787587/from/ET/
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill & Patricia Wall
> Kamiah, ID
> 425-238-1204  verizon
> patLwall@...
>

#148

From: linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...>
Date: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:34 pm
Subject: answers for Patricia and more questions

linnitolmachoff

Offline

Patricia,

1. For metal toxicity my natural Med Dr did a 6 hr urine collection called the DMSA Challenge or Urine Toxic metal test( Insurance paid for). He used to do the hair analysis but has found this one to be more accurate. DMSA Challenge gives results in the present/ the day taken....hair analysis test gives results over time and is affected by things such as hair dye and more. This may be why there are 2 different numbers for metal tests. my Urine test showed in 10's possibly hair tests are in the 100's. Can someone clarify this?

2. For years I thought I had thyroid issues always struggling to keep my weight to a normal level...when my energy came to a DEAD stop I knew I was in trouble..serious trouble so I chose to go to a "natural" medical DR. to do all the tests for diagnosis then treat it as naturally as possible....This has worked well for me. This med DR is open to natural treatments. My med Dr. did a thyroid blood test( Insurance paid for) but specifically included Reverse T-3 and Reverse T-4 tests. These can identify an auto-immune disorder that can be be caused by metal poisoning. there are over 80 auto-immune disorders and questionnaires online to see if any symptoms seem familiar Just google auto-immune disoders. I believe this auto-immune disorder has affected my teeth...have had 4 root canals this year.

3. Family. My husband of 35 yrs tested his lead and it was normal 2.4. Because it was normal, we did not have our 4 children tested. My exposure must have been in my childhood in South America ,which I suspected..having been sickly most of my life...anemic at 10, borderline diabetic at 21, allergies at 25, low energy, slight blues/depression adult life (gone since lead out) etc and oh Dinggy/spacey all my life ...HA!

4. I would ask around and find a natural MD in your town or as close to you as possible.I would ask your massage therapist, health food store owner, chiropractor,some hospitals now have alternative healing, or just google alternative drs. or natural healing and put in your zip code ..My Chiropractor gave me the name of 4 natural med drs in New Orleans. Once you find some close by call them and ask them if they do Urine Toxic Metal test or are familiar with Chelation Therapy for toxic metals if not, then they are not up with the times....right?

5. INSURANCE .My Dr tries to do tests covered by Insurance..but some others have cost us a pretty penny but then we know what we are up against. rain

6. BRAIN. Is oral chelation DMSA more effective in removing lead from tissues such as brain and muscle? I did oral and my brain is functioning much better than ever. I know my "depression"is GONE too and this is brain related.
check this site out .....http://tuberose.com/Metal_Detoxification.html
I cut and pasted a little info below

Chlorella: Is a food-like all purpose mild chelator of heavy metals; it is a specially processed green-algae type of food that is taken with meals and is quite tolerable and pleasant for many. But since chlorella is so easily contaminated, the manufacturer�s quality control is important. Nature�s Balance is a source of high quality chlorella...... t........Chlorella's ability to detoxify the body is very significant because of the large amount of chemicals we are exposed to in today's modern world. This ability to detoxify chemicals is also one of the important differences between Chlorella and other "green" products."

Cilantro: stimulates the body's release of mercury and other heavy metals from the brain and CNS into other tissue. This facilitates the ability to remove heavy metal from the body using other dietary protocols, such as Chorella and other chlorophyll containing herbs such as Nettles and Alfalfa. These herbs aid in detoxifying by denaturing the toxins, .............

JOINTS: Sulfur: Lead, mercury and cadmium steal sulfur from important proteins, which could be enzymes, hormones, or cell receptors. Conversely, sulfur is needed in the liver detox pathway to hook onto these metals and clear them from the body. So, lead, mercury and cadmium depletes sulfur, the very nutrient needed to detox the metal overload. A depletion of sulfur will also adversely affect joint connective tissue growth, since sulfur is an essential precursor to the building blocks of cartilage, namely glucosamine sulfate, chondroitin sulfate, and hyaluronic acid. Good sources are egg yolks, garlic, kelp, kale, turnip, raspberries, onions, cabbage, and mustard.

INTERVENOUS VS ORAL CHELATION My DR. wanted to do intervenous chelationI "insisted" in doing oral first then do intervenous if it did not seem to work....it was successful in 8 weeks...... my intuition was right we sis DMSA Not what is stated below

Oral Metal Chelation

NDF (Nanocolloidal Detox Factors)

Based on the results of comparative 24 hour urine samples analyzed by an independent clinic and lab, a person can safely excrete up to 920% (9.2 times) more heavy metals per month taking NDF daily as compared to doing one DMPS intravenous injection per month. This greatly shortens the time required to achieve detoxification, an average toxic adult person requiring a maximum dose of 2 mls. twice a day for a period of about two months. NDF also removes other toxins from the system.
as mentioned earlier I have adrenal fatigue thyrod auto-immune disorder and lead is ok now. I feel confident that many of yn't workou may have more complications than just these 3 to deal with...it is nice to know what all we have and then place then in order of what to heal/remove more quickly and what may be more chronic...ex Lead and mercury out rather quickly then heal any organs or tissues damaged by it .....auto-immune may never go away but can be in check...

Thank you for the insight on lead in the bones...I will definately keep my calcium levels up.

SORRY FOR THE LENGTH..i WAS ON A ROLL!

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

Certified Mindful Coach

ph # 337.349.6716

To: LPAE@... my wi
From: patLwall@...
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:03:42 -0700
Subject: Re: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?

Thank you Linni,

Can I check out my thyroid, without a Dr? We have left MX and Dr Coyle, and didn't think or know of this. So now I am without a Dr for another year.

I would like to do the hair metals test in about August, and have to find out how to do that without a Dr also.

Do you have any information on that?

Also, do you know where and how to do a hair test for heavy metals, with out a Dr? The cost, where to send it and all?

I would like my brother and daughter to do it. A regular med Dr doesn't believe in that. and the naturalpaths are getting so very $$, and mine quite on me.

Thanks for any info, and for the upbeat, you can do it. :)

Hugs

Patricia

On 4/11/08, linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi there everyone,
Just want to share that there is hope for all of us. I did only have 11 on my lead test but after 6 weeks DMSA orally I am at 6 and clear headed for the first time in many years.....I'm thinking now I could have done better in college if I had cleared this sooner...HA! I've even had the crazy notion that I could have even made it through medical school..wow!

Hang in there..it does improve...

Do you all know that metal toxicity causes auto-immune disorders such as Hashimoto's disease (thyroid) and 80 something others?. Google "auto-immune disorders for symptoms. Has anyone checked their adrenals for adrenal fatigue? When my adrenals are depleted I can't remember my husband's name let alone answer a question...HA! The metals can compromise our weakest inherited organs....check out your family history here.... Hope this is some help for you.

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

Certified Mindful Coach

ph # 337.349.6716

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
From: smspratt@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:09:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?

Hi Bill and Pat,

Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to another forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go with metal toxicity.

I am 69 and have been sick for many years. Some of the body lead has been reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove the mercury and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.

Susan Pratt

Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@escapees.com> wrote:

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

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#147

From: "jayshane7" <ashbyjay@...>
Date: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:38 am
Subject: Re: Where did everyone go?

jayshane7

Offline

Hello,

I am so very sorry for everybody on this list - it is quite difficult
finding out information about lead poisoning and its effects on
adults but gradually more information is becoming available, thanks
to the internet.

I nearly died from chronic lead poisoning - I had a reading of 11.7 m
mol/L when I finally suffered from lead encephalopothy, went
unconscious and was admitted to hospital where they finally found out
what was wrong after 10 years of being misdiagnosed with Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome.  There is quite a good article at the following
link - I get a mention at the very bottom - I just knew I would make
it into print one day lol!

   http://www.mineralysis.com.hk/eng/medicalnews4.html

I was treated with a drip containing EDTA to get the worst of the
lead out, then went onto a horrible drug called D-Penamine
(penicillamine) which is quite deadly - the side effects are
extremely toxic and I could only tolerate it for about 6 months. I
see my doctor every 6 months now to monitor how everything is going
and still have a relatively high reading.  As I am sure you all know,
lead is stored in bone and as the bones thin down the lead leeches
out into the bloodstream. I currently have a reading of 1.48m mol/L
or 31 which is a new method of measurement which I don't actually
understand.  If anybody can enlighten me about measurements I would
be extremely grateful.

Please be very careful with self-treatment, as I believe it can be
quite dangerous.  Also in the case of an under active/over active
thyroid you need to be aware that you can tip the balance over quite
easily although I suppose, Patricia, that you only wish to find out
whether the balance is out.  I don't think that you can do this
yourself but I'm afraid I don't really know.

I have been advised to keep as active as I can to keep the calcium
levels as high as possible in my body, and pass on this advice for
what it is worth.

Good luck, everybody, and God Bless,

                                Warmest wishes,
                                     Jay

    --- In LPAE@yahoogroups.com, "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Linni,
> Can I check out my thyroid, without a Dr?   We have left MX and Dr
Coyle,
> and didn't think or know of this.  So now I am without a Dr for
another
> year.
> I would like to do the hair metals test in about August, and have
to find
> out how to do that without a Dr also.
> Do you have any information on that?
> Also, do you know where and how to do a hair test for heavy metals,
with out
> a Dr?  The cost, where to send it and all?
> I would like my brother and daughter to do it.  A regular med Dr
doesn't
> believe in that.  and the naturalpaths are getting so very $$, and
mine
> quite on me.
> Thanks for any info, and for the upbeat, you can do it.  :)
> Hugs
> Patricia
>
>
> On 4/11/08, linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi there everyone,
> > Just want to share that there is hope for all of us. I did only
have 11 on
> > my lead test but after 6 weeks DMSA orally I am  at 6 and clear
headed for
> > the first time in many years.....I'm thinking now I could have
done better
> > in college if I had cleared this sooner...HA! I've even had the
crazy notion
> > that I could have even made it through medical school..wow!
> >
> > Hang in there..it does improve...
> >
> > Do you all know that metal toxicity causes auto-immune disorders
such as
> > Hashimoto's disease (thyroid) and 80 something others?.
Google "auto-immune
> > disorders for symptoms.  Has anyone checked their adrenals for
adrenal
> > fatigue? When my adrenals are depleted I can't remember my
husband's name
> > let alone answer a question...HA! The metals can compromise our
weakest
> > inherited organs....check out your family history here.... Hope
this is some
> > help for you.
> >
> >  *Linni Tolmachoff Haines*
> >
> > *Certified Mindful Coach*
> >
> > *ph # 337.349.6716*
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
> > From: smspratt@...
> > Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:09:39 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?
> >
> >
> > Hi Bill and Pat,
> >
> > Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to
another
> > forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go
with metal
> > toxicity.
> >
> > I am 69 and have been sick for many years.  Some of the body lead
has been
> > reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove
the mercury
> > and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.
> >
> > Susan Pratt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@...>* wrote:
> >
> >  I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
> > Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
> > I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
> > someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about
4,
> > so when will I see the brain return?
> >
> > Hope you are all doing well out there.
> > Patricia
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

#146

From: "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...>
Date: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:03 am
Subject: Re: Where did everyone go?

patlwall

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Thank you Linni,

Can I check out my thyroid, without a Dr? We have left MX and Dr Coyle, and didn't think or know of this. So now I am without a Dr for another year.

I would like to do the hair metals test in about August, and have to find out how to do that without a Dr also.

Do you have any information on that?

Also, do you know where and how to do a hair test for heavy metals, with out a Dr? The cost, where to send it and all?

I would like my brother and daughter to do it. A regular med Dr doesn't believe in that. and the naturalpaths are getting so very $$, and mine quite on me.

Thanks for any info, and for the upbeat, you can do it. :)

Hugs

Patricia

On 4/11/08, linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...> wrote:

Hi there everyone,
Just want to share that there is hope for all of us. I did only have 11 on my lead test but after 6 weeks DMSA orally I am at 6 and clear headed for the first time in many years.....I'm thinking now I could have done better in college if I had cleared this sooner...HA! I've even had the crazy notion that I could have even made it through medical school..wow!

Hang in there..it does improve...

Do you all know that metal toxicity causes auto-immune disorders such as Hashimoto's disease (thyroid) and 80 something others?. Google "auto-immune disorders for symptoms. Has anyone checked their adrenals for adrenal fatigue? When my adrenals are depleted I can't remember my husband's name let alone answer a question...HA! The metals can compromise our weakest inherited organs....check out your family history here.... Hope this is some help for you.

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

Certified Mindful Coach

ph # 337.349.6716

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
From: smspratt@...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:09:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?

Hi Bill and Pat,

Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to another forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go with metal toxicity.

I am 69 and have been sick for many years. Some of the body lead has been reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove the mercury and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.

Susan Pratt

Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@...> wrote:

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get started!

--
Bill & Patricia Wall
Kamiah, ID
425-238-1204 verizon
patLwall@...

#145

From: "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...>
Date: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:56 am
Subject: Re: Where did everyone go?

patlwall

Offline

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation

Hi Susan,

Would love to cut and past, but gmail doesn't seem to allow it. Darn. So give up and just send this with all the attachments.

I am on several metals sites also, lots of information out there. My mercury cleared up years ago, don't have to worry now, no teeth..

I haven't been sick, or if I have, haven't realized it. Just this last year, I realized my brain didn't work and was dead. So I have made major mistakes, not knowing I wasn't thinking right. I didn't know it wasn't working. It's cost me plenty $$.

With this lead off the charts, Dr P put me on DMSA 5 days on, 10 days off, for 3 months. Then I went to Dr Coyle in San Luis, MX, for the EDTA chelation, and now am cleared of all metals. So the tests show. I am waiting for my brain to function again!!!!!

Anyway, on the other lists, they say the DMSA is mostly for lead, they use something else for the mercury.

Be sure to read the back posts on those lists, lots of info there.

This list seems to be the only one that addresses lead, so I am sorry it isn't going as strong. I really wanted more lead information. There just doesn't seem to be much on ADULT lead information.
Here are the groups I found:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation

and Dr Clark - but that one I'm having trouble with.

and several other ones I can't find right now, plus some herbal and homeopathic ones. I get a lot of info out of them all, don't believe in a lot of what they say, and do believe in some of what they say, so it's good information. Like everything, take what you want out of it. And I like listening to the people that have done chelation and other ways, and the results they have experienced. We are none of us the same, so many things affect each one of us different. And I like learning that.

Good luck to you!

Patricia

Jackpot NV, warm and sunny

On 4/11/08, SUSAN PRATT <smspratt@...> wrote:

Hi Bill and Pat,

Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to another forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go with metal toxicity.

I am 69 and have been sick for many years. Some of the body lead has been reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove the mercury and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.

Susan Pratt

Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@...> wrote:

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

--
Bill & Patricia Wall
Kamiah, ID
425-238-1204 verizon
patLwall@...

#144

From: "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...>
Date: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll

patlwall

Offline

Hi Carol,

Is the aching in just muscles? I feel in in the bone. Like in the middle of the bone, like the marrow, and wonder about that.

It's been after the Chelation.

Do you know where you got the lead poisoning? I have no idea where I got mine. The last test showed it gone, only 4 in the blood, and none in the urine.

Where do you get the hair tests, can you do them without a DR? How much do they cost, and are they really better than the urine tests?

Thanks for any info.

Patricia

Jackpot, NV

warm and sunny

On 4/12/08, Susan Bernard <sbernard@...> wrote:

Hi Carol. How did you find out you were contaminated and where did it come from. I'm just plain old curious.

The one of the symptoms I've experienced from the redistribution of lead after having chelation is an aching in my muscles. It is always in my legs though, as they were the muscles that were used and developed the most in my body.

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piano_mama52
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:50 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll

I was exposed to alot of the heavy metal contaminants for about 10
years when I was young but didn't know it until about 8 years ago :(

In February I was diagnosed with melanoma cancer and after the surgery
on my arm, I have been having terrible pains shooting through my arm.
Do you think ti could be the nerves regenerating back together or do
you think the poisoning could have something to do with it?

Thanks for any answers,
Carol

--- In LPAE@
> >
> > Marie
> > Long ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll
> > Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts many
> older
> > people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades before?
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22787587/from/ET/
> >
>

--
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Kamiah, ID
425-238-1204 verizon
patLwall@...

#143

From: "Susan Bernard" <sbernard@...>
Date: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:05 am
Subject: RE: Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll

sbernard12

Offline

Hi Carol. How did you find out you were contaminated and where did it come from. I’m just plain old curious.

The one of the symptoms I’ve experienced from the redistribution of lead after having chelation is an aching in my muscles. It is always in my legs though, as they were the muscles that were used and developed the most in my body.

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of piano_mama52
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:50 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll

I was exposed to alot of the heavy metal contaminants for about 10
years when I was young but didn't know it until about 8 years ago :(

In February I was diagnosed with melanoma cancer and after the surgery
on my arm, I have been having terrible pains shooting through my arm.
Do you think ti could be the nerves regenerating back together or do
you think the poisoning could have something to do with it?

Thanks for any answers,
Carol

--- In LPAE@
> >
> > Marie
> > Long ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll
> > Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts many
> older
> > people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades before?
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22787587/from/ET/
> >
>

#142

From: "piano_mama52" <piano_mama52@...>
Date: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: msnbc.com: Long-ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll

piano_mama52

Offline

I was exposed to alot of the heavy metal contaminants for about 10
years when I was young but didn't know it until about 8 years ago :(

In February I was diagnosed with melanoma cancer and after the surgery
on my arm, I have been having terrible pains shooting through my arm.
Do you think ti could be the nerves regenerating back together or do
you think the poisoning could have something to do with it?

Thanks for any answers,
Carol



--- In LPAE@
> >
> > Marie
> > Long ago lead exposure may hasten aging's toll
> > Could it be that the "natural" mental decline that afflicts many
> older
> > people is related to how much lead they absorbed decades before?
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22787587/from/ET/
> >
>

#141

From: linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:26 pm
Subject: RE: Where did everyone go?

linnitolmachoff

Offline

Hi there everyone,
Just want to share that there is hope for all of us. I did only have 11 on my lead test but after 6 weeks DMSA orally I am at 6 and clear headed for the first time in many years.....I'm thinking now I could have done better in college if I had cleared this sooner...HA! I've even had the crazy notion that I could have even made it through medical school..wow!

Hang in there..it does improve...

Do you all know that metal toxicity causes auto-immune disorders such as Hashimoto's disease (thyroid) and 80 something others?. Google "auto-immune disorders for symptoms. Has anyone checked their adrenals for adrenal fatigue? When my adrenals are depleted I can't remember my husband's name let alone answer a question...HA! The metals can compromise our weakest inherited organs....check out your family history here.... Hope this is some help for you.

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

Certified Mindful Coach

ph # 337.349.6716

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
From: smspratt@...
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:09:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?

Hi Bill and Pat,

Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to another forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go with metal toxicity.

I am 69 and have been sick for many years. Some of the body lead has been reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove the mercury and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.

Susan Pratt

Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@escapees.com> wrote:

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get started!

#140

From: SUSAN PRATT <smspratt@...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:09 pm
Subject: Re: Where did everyone go?

brindle222

Offline

Hi Bill and Pat,

Still out here, but I also have mercury poisoning so I moved to another forum that discusses mercury and all the health problems that go with metal toxicity.

I am 69 and have been sick for many years. Some of the body lead has been reduced through EDTA IV's, but I had to switch to DMSA to remove the mercury and next I am adding ALA to remove the mercury from the brain.

Susan Pratt

Bill & Patricia Wall <patLwall@...> wrote:

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

#139

From: "Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...>
Date: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:28 am
Subject: Re: Where did everyone go?

patlwall

Offline

Hi Susan,

I have absolutely NO idea where I got it. My pee test from Doctors Data was 70, so came to Yuma, and did Dr Coyle's chelation in San Luis, MX. The blood, urine test were extremely low after 9 Chelation treatments.

You having 140, that is horrible. I heard you can die from lead poisoning?

I bought the test kits from Amazon - Household Lead Check by Homax, but it doesn't show lead in my cup, or bracelet, or anything I have tested. I don't know if I am doing it right?

But I still can tell my brain isn't working right. I am so surprised at the mistakes I have made last year. Didn't know I didn't have a brain. But it sure has made bad things wrong.

Thanks

Patricia

On 4/10/08, Susan Bernard <sbernard@...> wrote:

Hi Patricia

The brain fog for me is really lifting a lot. My lead was at 44 the last time I was tested, 9 chelations ago. ( I started out at 140) I have one more chelation before my next test. I am eagerly awaiting my below 5 score. It's been a long slow road.

How did you get contaminated??

Susan

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Patricia Wall
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:36 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

--
Bill & Patricia Wall
Yuma, AZ
425-418-9407
patLwall@...

#138

From: "Susan Bernard" <sbernard@...>
Date: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:50 pm
Subject: RE: Where did everyone go?

sbernard12

Offline

Hi Patricia

The brain fog for me is really lifting a lot. My lead was at 44 the last time I was tested, 9 chelations ago. ( I started out at 140) I have one more chelation before my next test. I am eagerly awaiting my below 5 score. It’s been a long slow road.

How did you get contaminated??

Susan

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Patricia Wall
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:36 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] Where did everyone go?

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more. Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know. The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

#137

From: "Bill & Patricia Wall" <patLwall@...>
Date: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:35 pm
Subject: Where did everyone go?

patlwall

Offline

I have been reading all the back posts, and they really help me.
Now, I don't see any more.  Where is everyone?
I am hoping this brain dunce I have will go away, and am hoping
someone will let me know.  The chelation took my 70 lead to about 4,
so when will I see the brain return?

Hope you are all doing well out there.
Patricia

#136

From: "scugnizzi" <Kevinkportland@...>
Date: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:10 am
Subject: Obama Crushes 'Audacity Of Hope' Apologizes That Terri Schiavo Didn't Die Sooner

scugnizzi

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http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=13277

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#135

From: "Susan Bernard" <sbernard@...>
Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 5:55 pm
Subject: RE: Question about testing

sbernard12

Offline

Hi Susan

No, different doctor. I had a blood test done….. twice that I remember just to keep tabs on things. Both times the results were within the ‘industrial limit’ so I figured I was ok. No one told me or explained to me the body burden and that the limit from a blood test is the amount that is swirling around in the blood at the time of the test. So I rationalized that if I was within the limit and I was busy with my work 40 hours a week ( I really couldn’t produce any more than I was) my exposure wasn’t going to change……. so I was safe. I really didn’t give contamination a second thought. Now I’ve become educated.

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN PRATT
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:25 AM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] Question about testing

Hi Susan B.

Is the doctor that is doing the chelation, the same doctor that you had periodic tests? How could they have missed current exposure? It is not my intention to be critical, but I thought current lead levels showed up in blood tests.

My exposure probably was years ago during the leaded gas era and living in some very toxic cities. It is great to hear you are feeling so much better, it gives me hope.

Susan P.

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#134

From: SUSAN PRATT <smspratt@...>
Date: Tue Mar 4, 2008 3:24 pm
Subject: Question about testing

brindle222

Offline

Hi Susan B.

My exposure probably was years ago during the leaded gas era and living in some very toxic cities. It is great to hear you are feeling so much better, it gives me hope.

Susan P.

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#133

From: "Susan Bernard" <sbernard@...>
Date: Sun Mar 2, 2008 7:08 pm
Subject: RE: other websites discussing heavy metal poisoning

sbernard12

Offline

Hi Susan P.

My test results come from Doctor’s Data too and I also started in November of 2006.

Lead: 140 ,48, 89, 76, 41,44.

Mercury: 2, 1, .03, <dl (less than diction limit), <dl, .5.

Copper: .015, .008, .018, .014, .012.015

I have been tested after every 10 IV chelations and am on chelation #56 coming up. I am feeling so much better every day. I have been a stained glass artist for the past 25 years, hence the huge amount of lead in my system. I had blood tests periodically throughout the years but didn’t understand about the body burden and how harmful that is. I am finding that most of the doctors I’ve spoken to about it are unaware of it as well.

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN PRATT
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:15 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [LPAE] other websites discussing heavy metal poisoning

Hi Susan B.

The numbers jump all over but the test results from Genova Diagnostics (previously Great Smokies) were:

Comprehensive Urine Element Profile 24 hour report post DMSA

July 2006 lead 48.9

mercury 11.04

copper 39.4

January 2007 lead 8.0

mercury 1.64

copper 28.0

April 2007 lead 12.3

mercury 2.74

copper 40.0

The test results from Doctor's Data which were 6 hour post EDTA Urine Toxic Metals test were

November 2006 lead 30

mercury less than detection limit

nickel 34

copper 0.015

October 2007 lead 41

mercury 1.5

copper 0.014

I was so ill that summer of 2006, I started EDTA IV's in October and I am sure it saved my life. The following spring I was well enough to start hounding Blue Cross to reimburse me. They eventually did, but it was a reenactment out of Michael Moore's movie Sicko. The struggle with them was too exhausting, so I switched to the oral DMSA. Have only been on the frequent-dose-chelation protocol since January, and have not been tested. Some days I am good, some not. The fatigue, lack of endurance, and foggy thinking, are still a problem, but not as severe. Also I will be 69 next month, which seems very very old to me.

Hope you all are doing well.

Susan P.

Susan Bernard <sbernard@vcweb.org> wrote:

Hi Susan

Would you mind sharing the test results of your first challenge?? And why did you decide to switch from IV to oral? I am at 56 chelations now and started in November of 2006. I would love to compare test results/symptoms. Thanks

Susan

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN PRATT
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:40 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] other websites discusing heavy metal poisoning

As all of you know, dealing with metal toxicity is a day by day struggle, and there are other health problems that normally go along with that.

I have lead, mercury and copper poisoning. Starting in Sept of 2006 I began EDTA IV 's and did about 56. My levels went up and down and up and down, but I am much better than I was that summer of 2006. The body burden of lead was reduced , but the lead in my bones will take years to eliminate and I also need to address the mercury and copper problem.

In January 2008 I began a new protocol using DMSA and ALA in very low and frequent doses. I took the information I had, to my doctor and she agreed to follow my progress, write the scripts I needed and do lab tests, frequently. The protocol was written by Andrew Cutler and it seems to work.

These are the websites that deal with chelation, and also thyroid, adrenal , hormone, many other issues and autism. There are some extraordinary people contributing to these sites and although most do not agree with EDTA if you have mercury, they will give you information, support, what ever you need and without judgment as to what treatment you decide on. They have been an answer to my prayers.

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation They are all yahoo health groups.

There are thousands of chronically ill children and adults who have seen dozens of doctors and still are unable to participate in life. These groups know more than any doctor I have ever seen.

Susan

#132

From: SUSAN PRATT <smspratt@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 1:15 am
Subject: RE: other websites discussing heavy metal poisoning

brindle222

Offline

Hi Susan B.

The numbers jump all over but the test results from Genova Diagnostics (previously Great Smokies) were:

Comprehensive Urine Element Profile 24 hour report post DMSA

July 2006 lead 48.9

mercury 11.04

copper 39.4

January 2007 lead 8.0

mercury 1.64

copper 28.0

April 2007 lead 12.3

mercury 2.74

copper 40.0

The test results from Doctor's Data which were 6 hour post EDTA Urine Toxic Metals test were

November 2006 lead 30

mercury less than detection limit

nickel 34

copper 0.015

October 2007 lead 41

mercury 1.5

copper 0.014

Hope you all are doing well.

Susan P.

Susan Bernard <sbernard@...> wrote:

Hi Susan

Would you mind sharing the test results of your first challenge?? And why did you decide to switch from IV to oral? I am at 56 chelations now and started in November of 2006. I would love to compare test results/symptoms. Thanks

Susan

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN PRATT
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:40 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] other websites discusing heavy metal poisoning

As all of you know, dealing with metal toxicity is a day by day struggle, and there are other health problems that normally go along with that.

I have lead, mercury and copper poisoning. Starting in Sept of 2006 I began EDTA IV 's and did about 56. My levels went up and down and up and down, but I am much better than I was that summer of 2006. The body burden of lead was reduced , but the lead in my bones will take years to eliminate and I also need to address the mercury and copper problem.

In January 2008 I began a new protocol using DMSA and ALA in very low and frequent doses. I took the information I had, to my doctor and she agreed to follow my progress, write the scripts I needed and do lab tests, frequently. The protocol was written by Andrew Cutler and it seems to work.

These are the websites that deal with chelation, and also thyroid, adrenal , hormone, many other issues and autism. There are some extraordinary people contributing to these sites and although most do not agree with EDTA if you have mercury, they will give you information, support, what ever you need and without judgment as to what treatment you decide on. They have been an answer to my prayers.

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation They are all yahoo health groups.

There are thousands of chronically ill children and adults who have seen dozens of doctors and still are unable to participate in life. These groups know more than any doctor I have ever seen.

Susan

#131

From: "Margaret L. Wilson" <booldawgs@...>
Date: Sat Mar 1, 2008 1:12 am
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: My tests

tikus_besar

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No, I will be tested again after I finish the second set of ten. I had to stop twice because I had to be in another state. After a 4 month break I had my kidney, liver and other vitals tested and got started again. I should be a lot further along than I am.

No, it is hard to determine where/how because I have lived so many different places in my life. We suspect it is from living in Jakarta, Indonesia (late 90s) for a few years. You can not drink, brush your teeth or cook with the water there. You shower rather than bathe because the water is so full of heavy metals. We even gave our dogs bottled water. But, of course, you absorb through you skin while showering, your clothes are washed in it and the foods are grown in it. They also use all of the pesticides and fertilizers that we have banned here.

Margaret
http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/

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From: Susan Bernard

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:51 PM

Subject: [SPAM]RE: [LPAE] My tests

Margaret, Have you been retested since the 12 chelations? And do you know the source of the heavy metals?

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret L. Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:19 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] My tests

It is good to be hearing all of this from everyone. I am glad this list is getting busy

Susan, Thank you so much. You have really made me feel better about the whole process. You have described the way I feel pretty much to a tee.

My tests results were:

Lead 11.1

Mercury 9.89

Arsenic 64

Bismuth 2.61

Thorium 5.872

I have had 12 chelations. I had one today and feel pretty wiped out so I am off to bed.

Margaret
http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/

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From: "Susan Bernard" <sbernard@...>
Date: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:51 pm
Subject: RE: My tests

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Margaret, Have you been retested since the 12 chelations? And do you know the source of the heavy metals?

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Margaret L. Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 8:19 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] My tests

It is good to be hearing all of this from everyone. I am glad this list is getting busy

Susan, Thank you so much. You have really made me feel better about the whole process. You have described the way I feel pretty much to a tee.

My tests results were:

Lead 11.1

Mercury 9.89

Arsenic 64

Bismuth 2.61

Thorium 5.872

I have had 12 chelations. I had one today and feel pretty wiped out so I am off to bed.

Margaret
http://farfarawayfarm.blogspot.com/

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From: linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...>
Date: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:15 pm
Subject: Linni's story Oral DMSA

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hi Linni here...
I didn't see my e-mail go through so I will repeat my story. I did Oral chelation and in 9 weeks was almost normal for me. I did a 6 week chelation of taking DMSA 3x/wk(MW Fri) but after 3 weeks had a tough 4 th week resting in bed mostly...then 5th & 6th week I was functional but a little slow... at 7th week resumed and finished the last 3 weeks with no severe slowing down YEAH!... I was prescribed to take 6 weeks in a row but my body said take a break in the middle..
Went from 11 to 6.1 where 5 is high normal...I will do 3 more weeks next month after an art show I have to prepare for in early April. I am 57 yrs old.

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
From: sbernard@...
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:00:30 -0800
Subject: RE: [LPAE] other websites discussing heavy metal poisoning

Hi Susan

Would you mind sharing the test results of your first challenge?? And why did you decide to switch from IV to oral? I am at 56 chelations now and started in November of 2006. I would love to compare test results/symptoms. Thanks

Susan

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN PRATT
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:40 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] other websites discusing heavy metal poisoning

As all of you know, dealing with metal toxicity is a day by day struggle, and there are other health problems that normally go along with that.

I have lead, mercury and copper poisoning. Starting in Sept of 2006 I began EDTA IV 's and did about 56. My levels went up and down and up and down, but I am much better than I was that summer of 2006. The body burden of lead was reduced , but the lead in my bones will take years to eliminate and I also need to address the mercury and copper problem.

In January 2008 I began a new protocol using DMSA and ALA in very low and frequent doses. I took the information I had, to my doctor and she agreed to follow my progress, write the scripts I needed and do lab tests, frequently. The protocol was written by Andrew Cutler and it seems to work.

These are the websites that deal with chelation, and also thyroid, adrenal , hormone, many other issues and autism. There are some extraordinary people contributing to these sites and although most do not agree with EDTA if you have mercury, they will give you information, support, what ever you need and without judgment as to what treatment you decide on. They have been an answer to my prayers.

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation They are all yahoo health groups.

There are thousands of chronically ill children and adults who have seen dozens of doctors and still are unable to participate in life. These groups know more than any doctor I have ever seen.

Susan

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#128

From: linni tolmachoff <linnitolmachoff@...>
Date: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:02 pm
Subject: RE: Re: lead/mercury question

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cerebral spinal fluid

Linni Tolmachoff Haines

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ph # 337.349.6716

To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
From: westralia@...
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:33:41 +0000
Subject: [LPAE] Re: lead/mercury question

What is CSF?

--- In LPAE@yahoogroups.com, "kathy" <katson45@...> wrote:
>
> hello, Is lead or mercury detectable in csf even after long standing
> poisoning (years)? The reason I ask is since starting slowly
chelating
> the stuff is actually coming out in my skin at the spine.(little
> lesions that itch along my spine) thx, k
>

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From: "Susan Bernard" <sbernard@...>
Date: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:00 pm
Subject: RE: other websites discussing heavy metal poisoning

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Hi Susan

Would you mind sharing the test results of your first challenge?? And why did you decide to switch from IV to oral? I am at 56 chelations now and started in November of 2006. I would love to compare test results/symptoms. Thanks

Susan

From: LPAE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LPAE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN PRATT
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 6:40 PM
To: LPAE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [LPAE] other websites discusing heavy metal poisoning

As all of you know, dealing with metal toxicity is a day by day struggle, and there are other health problems that normally go along with that.

I have lead, mercury and copper poisoning. Starting in Sept of 2006 I began EDTA IV 's and did about 56. My levels went up and down and up and down, but I am much better than I was that summer of 2006. The body burden of lead was reduced , but the lead in my bones will take years to eliminate and I also need to address the mercury and copper problem.

In January 2008 I began a new protocol using DMSA and ALA in very low and frequent doses. I took the information I had, to my doctor and she agreed to follow my progress, write the scripts I needed and do lab tests, frequently. The protocol was written by Andrew Cutler and it seems to work.

These are the websites that deal with chelation, and also thyroid, adrenal , hormone, many other issues and autism. There are some extraordinary people contributing to these sites and although most do not agree with EDTA if you have mercury, they will give you information, support, what ever you need and without judgment as to what treatment you decide on. They have been an answer to my prayers.

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation They are all yahoo health groups.

There are thousands of chronically ill children and adults who have seen dozens of doctors and still are unable to participate in life. These groups know more than any doctor I have ever seen.

Susan