>>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<

<<Sad but true...and what's the problem with keeping
both?
Rob P.>>

Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
constraints.

But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
virtually just like an email system.  Presents all the
latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
working backwards.

So one can respond there or go into the specific
thread to see all that has been said already.  It's
the best of both worlds, imo.

Bill2




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My favorite of late is the 'rope' tricep pressdown,
flaring the hands out (turn thumbs down) at the bottom
of the movement.

Unlike many tricep exercises such as db kickbacks, it
is an easy one to do correctly rep in and rep out.

For biceps, I've been enjoying close grip low pulley
curls utilizing the preacher bench.  Keeps constant
tension thruout the movement, very strict.

Hope this helps,

Bill2

--- Stingo <chopchopp1@...> wrote:
> I'd like some feedback on this...
>
> How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout
> without burning out the forearms early on?
>
> I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am
> curious to hear some opinons on the "order" and type
> of exercises some of you do to really isolate bi's
> and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am
> working on symmetry.
>
> Thanks ALL!!!!
>
> ~Stingo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
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Thanks Steve. I do those. Let me rephrase the question.

I do the following for bi's and tri's - All super-sets.
~Standing DB curls ss/w Tricep pushdown - 5 set pyramid.
~Low Consentration curls ss/w assisted dips - 5 set pyramid
~Preacher curls ss/w sculls... - 5 set pyramid

However, my forearms seem to get burned out early so I can't blast the bi's and
tri's (Larger muscles) effectively (or to suit me)....

Do you suggest a more effective progression to fatigue the bi's and tri's BEFORE
the forearms?

Thanks!!

~Stingo

Steve Kuykendall <steve@...> wrote:
For tri's I love the french DB press behind the neck. Not hard on the
forearm at all.

/sk

At 11:22 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
>I'd like some feedback on this...
>
>How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out
>the forearms early on?
>
>I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some
>opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really
>isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working
>on symmetry.
>
>Thanks ALL!!!!
>
>~Stingo


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Hi, Stingo,

You'll want to take this question over to the bulletin board. I'm going to
shut down the IOL mail later today -- maybe you didn't see Dave's message
last night....

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Laree


>I'd like some feedback on this...
>
>How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out
>the forearms early on?
>
>I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some
>opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really
>isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working
>on symmetry.
>
>Thanks ALL!!!!
>
>~Stingo
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Do you Yahoo!?
>Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>IronOnline bulletin board:
>http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

For tri's I love the french DB press behind the neck. Not hard on the
forearm at all.

/sk

At 11:22 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
>I'd like some feedback on this...
>
>How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out
>the forearms early on?
>
>I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some
>opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really
>isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working
>on symmetry.
>
>Thanks ALL!!!!
>
>~Stingo

It appears that my employer is refusing to pay for my Internet access and
I've been cut off by my cable company -- I just learned they put their
account in my name too. They haven't paid since January. So, my access
spotty at best. I've arranged for high speed access and will use my
employer's frustrating dial-in facility in the mean time. If you need to
contact me, I can be reacted at:

Cy.Schubert@... - this will be full restored in 5 days, spotty
	 access for now

Cy.Schubert@... - mostly spam so I can miss emails

Cy.Schubert@... - my email address at work. Mark it urgent
	 as I get a lot of email from a lot of real people there. Urgent will
	 get it noticed right away.



Cheers,
--
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     "Lift long enough and I believe arrogance is replaced by
     humility and fear by courage and selfishness by generosity
     and rudeness by compassion and caring."
         -- Frank Zane, M.A., Mr. Olympia 1977, 1978, 1979

Literally, "it's all in the wrists." You isolate bis if you do not bend the
wrists inward during the curl. Try doing the opposite... bend the wrist
slightly outward before you start the positive and maintain that position
throughout the exercise.

Steve Holt
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stingo" <chopchopp1@...>
To: "IronOnline Discussion Group" <IronOnline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 12:22 PM
Subject: [IOL] ARM question????


> I'd like some feedback on this...
>
> How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out
the forearms early on?
>
> I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some
opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really
isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working on
symmetry.
>
> Thanks ALL!!!!
>
> ~Stingo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I'd like some feedback on this...

How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out the
forearms early on?

I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some opinons on
the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really isolate bi's and
tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working on symmetry.

Thanks ALL!!!!

~Stingo


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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Skip. give the new board a try. I was skeptical at first but really like it.
Hope to see you there.
CB
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Dallen <s.dallen@...>
To: <IronOnline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [IOL] Hey, Bombers!


> 'Twas a good run.  Bulletin boards are too time consuming and awkward in
> comparison. Enjoy.
>
> Looking forward to the newsletters as always.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Draper" <irononline@...>
> To: <Irononline@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:50 PM
> Subject: [IOL] Hey, Bombers!
>
>
> > To the loyal and esteemed members of the IronOnline email discussion
> group:
> >
> > Hi, Bombers of the reluctant variety who are less fond of change than
they
> > are of sameness... I, who just bought a giant roll of postage stamps and
a
> > large, economy-size box of envelopes, understand completely. Tomorrow,
> > Friday, the 30th of April, after nearly five years of delightful and
> > enlightening communication, the IronOnline email discussion group (or
> > family, as some think of it) will, in effect, end. Our vivacious and
> > brilliant moderator and web master has taken us a step forward once
again.
> > We shall from this day on converse in a far more comprehensive manner
via
> > the internet bulletin board. As simple as a five-pound plate, the forum
> > serves a light-weight purpose. Yet, like a barbell there are tons of
added
> > features the unique board offers for the heavy lifter. Visit the board,
> > look around and register with the 1,000 muscle makers already in action.
> > It's very useful, very interesting and, therefore, very popular. It's
like
> > trading in your 110-lb barbell set for a 500-lb set of Olympic weights.
> >
> > May your bodyfat go down as your squats, deadlifts and bench presses go
> up.
> >
> > God's strength... DD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > IronOnline bulletin board:
> > http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Hey, the board is quick to scan. Give it a try. Hope to see you there.
CB
----- Original Message -----
From: <PrangeII@...>
To: <irononline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [IOL] Hey, Bombers!


> >Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<
>
> Sad but true...and what's the problem with keeping both?
>
> Will miss you all,
>
> Rob P.
> Some people grin and bear it.
> Others smile and change it.
>
> *Smile*
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<

Sad but true...and what's the problem with keeping both?

Will miss you all,

Rob P.
Some people grin and bear it.
Others smile and change it.

*Smile*





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Isopure is good stuff. You should be able to find greatly discounted over
whaat GNC sells it for. I buy the carbfree kind.

/sk

At 04:03 PM 4/29/2004, you wrote:

>I saw an ad in MF for  Isopure but it wasnt for the   colored drinks you
>see in the nutrutional store. It was for something similiar only you buy
>it in a powder form.  GNC and The Vitamin Shoppe sell it. GNC told me it
>is a step up  from Whey Protein because it has extra vitamins and  is
>digested faster.  To me it costs more then whey protein and although you
>get a little more protein it cost near what you  would buy Nitro Tech
>for yet less servings.   I have thought about buy some and    trying it
>at least once. Anybody got any opinions on this?
>  They all look like desserts
>John
>

At 10:15 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
>--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, "J. Foreman" <mayadog4@c...> wrote:
> > Let me tell you - the people at GNC would try to sell you snake
>piss if they
> > thought for a second that it might have added Vitamin C or whatnot -
>  don't
> > listen to them.
>
>I can sell you some snake piss.  Except that snakes don't actually
>piss.  They excrete urea only in solid form.  So it's this convenient
>white powder you can mix right in with your whey shakes.  Your choice
>of cobras, mambas or assorted vipers.  Maybe I can start my own GNC
>store with this extra special product?  LOL
>
>- Naja
Urea is supposed to actually help lifting. Popular with some hard core
powerlifters.

/sk

'Twas a good run.  Bulletin boards are too time consuming and awkward in
comparison. Enjoy.

Looking forward to the newsletters as always.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Draper" <irononline@...>
To: <Irononline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:50 PM
Subject: [IOL] Hey, Bombers!


> To the loyal and esteemed members of the IronOnline email discussion
group:
>
> Hi, Bombers of the reluctant variety who are less fond of change than they
> are of sameness... I, who just bought a giant roll of postage stamps and a
> large, economy-size box of envelopes, understand completely. Tomorrow,
> Friday, the 30th of April, after nearly five years of delightful and
> enlightening communication, the IronOnline email discussion group (or
> family, as some think of it) will, in effect, end. Our vivacious and
> brilliant moderator and web master has taken us a step forward once again.
> We shall from this day on converse in a far more comprehensive manner via
> the internet bulletin board. As simple as a five-pound plate, the forum
> serves a light-weight purpose. Yet, like a barbell there are tons of added
> features the unique board offers for the heavy lifter. Visit the board,
> look around and register with the 1,000 muscle makers already in action.
> It's very useful, very interesting and, therefore, very popular. It's like
> trading in your 110-lb barbell set for a 500-lb set of Olympic weights.
>
> May your bodyfat go down as your squats, deadlifts and bench presses go
up.
>
> God's strength... DD
>
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, "J. Foreman" <mayadog4@c...> wrote:
> Let me tell you - the people at GNC would try to sell you snake
piss if they
> thought for a second that it might have added Vitamin C or whatnot -
  don't
> listen to them.

I can sell you some snake piss.  Except that snakes don't actually
piss.  They excrete urea only in solid form.  So it's this convenient
white powder you can mix right in with your whey shakes.  Your choice
of cobras, mambas or assorted vipers.  Maybe I can start my own GNC
store with this extra special product?  LOL

- Naja

To the loyal and esteemed members of the IronOnline email discussion group:

Hi, Bombers of the reluctant variety who are less fond of change than they
are of sameness... I, who just bought a giant roll of postage stamps and a
large, economy-size box of envelopes, understand completely. Tomorrow,
Friday, the 30th of April, after nearly five years of delightful and
enlightening communication, the IronOnline email discussion group (or
family, as some think of it) will, in effect, end. Our vivacious and
brilliant moderator and web master has taken us a step forward once again.
We shall from this day on converse in a far more comprehensive manner via
the internet bulletin board. As simple as a five-pound plate, the forum
serves a light-weight purpose. Yet, like a barbell there are tons of added
features the unique board offers for the heavy lifter. Visit the board,
look around and register with the 1,000 muscle makers already in action.
It's very useful, very interesting and, therefore, very popular. It's like
trading in your 110-lb barbell set for a 500-lb set of Olympic weights.

May your bodyfat go down as your squats, deadlifts and bench presses go up.

God's strength... DD

Let me tell you - the people at GNC would try to sell you snake piss if they
thought for a second that it might have added Vitamin C or whatnot - don't
listen to them.  Isopure is about as good as any other product, not
tremendously better.

(sorry Laree for not being 'pc'...  I should have said "snake urine")

Jay




I saw an ad in MF for  Isopure but it wasnt for the   colored drinks you
see in the nutrutional store. It was for something similiar only you buy
it in a powder form.  GNC and The Vitamin Shoppe sell it. GNC told me it
is a step up  from Whey Protein because it has extra vitamins and  is
digested faster.  To me it costs more then whey protein and although you
get a little more protein it cost near what you  would buy Nitro Tech
for yet less servings.   I have thought about buy some and    trying it
at least once. Anybody got any opinions on this?
  They all look like desserts
John

John,
Save your money, get most all of your protein needs from whole food. Much
cheaper and tastier.Use whey in a pinch or for portability. Cheapest and
best tasting source of whey protein is cottage cheese. The money you save
spend on your bride and life will be much better.
CB
----- Original Message -----
From: <DEADn@...>
To: <IronOnline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: [IOL] Iso pure anyone?


>
> I saw an ad in MF for  Isopure but it wasnt for the   colored drinks you
> see in the nutrutional store. It was for something similiar only you buy
> it in a powder form.  GNC and The Vitamin Shoppe sell it. GNC told me it
> is a step up  from Whey Protein because it has extra vitamins and  is
> digested faster.  To me it costs more then whey protein and although you
> get a little more protein it cost near what you  would buy Nitro Tech
> for yet less servings.   I have thought about buy some and    trying it
> at least once. Anybody got any opinions on this?
>  They all look like desserts
> John
>
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

I redid my workout to where I am doing a total body workout in 3 days.
Today, my day off, I am sore and it feels  great!!!   pecs sore, back
was sore,  biceps sore and   thighs sore.   I am ready for another
round!!!! BUT  I gotta rest first.

John

I saw an ad in MF for  Isopure but it wasnt for the   colored drinks you
see in the nutrutional store. It was for something similiar only you buy
it in a powder form.  GNC and The Vitamin Shoppe sell it. GNC told me it
is a step up  from Whey Protein because it has extra vitamins and  is
digested faster.  To me it costs more then whey protein and although you
get a little more protein it cost near what you  would buy Nitro Tech
for yet less servings.   I have thought about buy some and    trying it
at least once. Anybody got any opinions on this?
  They all look like desserts
John

--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, "DonB" <foriol@p...> wrote:

> T, if this is you, you have answered your own question and provided
your
> solution. I will agree with all of your qualifiers except one. You
are most
> definitely not stupid.

Heh.  Thanks Don.  Yes, you know me under a different name from the
reptile forums.  I just like to keep my life neatly compartmentalized
so I know who I'm talking to about what.  Also so that nobody
casually searching the Net can find out more about me than any
stranger really needs to know.


> Girl, you're big enough. Take your time. Focus on building strength
and
> flexibility. Growth will naturally follow.

I'll never be big enough!  LOL  No really, I would like to get
seriously muscled up like Corey Everson, but I know that with all the
other stuff going on in my life, I don't have the time and dedication
I'd need to get there.  At least not without meeting Ms. Nan
Drolone.  LOL


> Strengthen the body, not the ego.

I don't have a lot of ego here. I know I'm a frightfully clumsy
beginner who's been farting around for much too long and obviously
not even doing it right.  I need remedial lessons before I hurt
myself.

It's actually kind of funny how clumsy I am, considering that I play
with venomous snakes for a living.  I seem to have this fundamental
brain-body disconnect that makes it very difficult for me to master
an exercise by reading a book or watching a video.  I try to do it
anyway, but it's always been extra hard for me.  Catching and milking
a cobra = easy.  Figuring out the correct form for one arm dumbell
rows = horribly frustrating and difficult. Go figure.  LOL

- Naja

Corey is the one on this one.

Sam Tsang

Yep, sure am Bill,  Sonora


--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, Bill Keyes <bilkyes@y...> wrote:
> <<d2walks <spirithorse@m...> wrote>>
>
> Just noticed your email addy.  Are you in the
> California Gold Rush area?
>
> Bill2
>
>
>
>
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<<d2walks <spirithorse@...> wrote>>

Just noticed your email addy.  Are you in the
California Gold Rush area?

Bill2




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~-----Original Message-----
~From: DonB [mailto:foriol@...]
~Sent: Wednesday 04/28/2004 10:29 AM
~To: IronOnline@yahoogroups.com
~Subject: Re: [IOL] Crushed thoracic vertabrae
~
~
~From: "Jeff Martin" <jmartin@...>
~Jeff says:
~
~> This wasn't another incident with an animal was it? :)
~
~Yes, it was animal related but was a product of my impatience
~with stupid humans.
~
~> How's it goin otherwise?
~
~Until the weekend b4 last, things were going wonderfully.

Well, sorry I can't help with this specific issue but it's nice to hear
from you again.

jam

Yes, it's about me and I'll feel wonderful as soon as this thing quits
> hurting.
>
> Why would I want to go to some new board
> Don



First Don, sorry to here you ran into this one.  How the heck did you
do that?

I have had a crushed L5 and an L4 with pinched nerve.  In the T's I
have two that have worn down and pop out really easy.  I would exhaust
every possible alternative before I would look at fusion but thats
just me.  Have had a half dozen friends that have gone with the fusion
route and half are glad they did and the other half wish they had
never done it, tricky thing at best.

Because I'm on the new one ... LOL

actualy bouncing back and forth between the two.

From: "Jeff Martin" <jmartin@...>
Jeff says:

> This wasn't another incident with an animal was it? :)

Yes, it was animal related but was a product of my impatience with stupid
humans.

> How's it goin otherwise?

Until the weekend b4 last, things were going wonderfully.

Don

--- Justin Reed <jayreed21@...> wrote:
> As i am trying to perfect my diet I am finding that
> the earlier in the day
> that i workout the better as far as energy is
> concerned.  But anyway what do
> you guys recommend for a good pre workout meal and
> how soon before the
> workout.  I have been eating cottage cheese and
> pineapple..or a protein
> shake, flax seed oil and a bannana an hour before
> and this seems to be
> giving me "descent" energy.
> Just give me your thoughts
>
> thanks
>
> JReed
>
>
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~-----Original Message-----
~From: DonB [mailto:foriol@...]
~Sent: Wednesday 04/28/2004 9:29 AM
~To: IronOnline@yahoogroups.com
~Subject: Re: [IOL] Crushed thoracic vertabrae
~
~
~Hi Bill,
~
~Yes, it's about me and I'll feel wonderful as soon as this
~thing quits hurting.

This wasn't another incident with an animal was it? :)

How's it goin otherwise?

~Why would I want to go to some new board at a new website when
~this one is still here? This is the first I've heard of this
~change but I only check in here rarely and on rainy days. This
~may be changing as I'm now looking at 3 months vacation time.

Good point.

jam

From:  "snakegetters" <snakegetters@u...>
Date:  Sat Apr 24, 2004  10:44 pm

>> Being a stupid, clumsy but overly enthusiastic beginner, I squatted
with bad form and ended up unable to walk for days<<

T, if this is you, you have answered your own question and provided your
solution. I will agree with all of your qualifiers except one. You are most
definitely not stupid.

>> I'm scared to squat or deadlift again until I get some remedial
lessons with a trainer on proper form. Which I'm saving up for. I
would like to be able to do the heavy compound exercises for growth,
but I'm absolutely terrified of adding yet another injury to the
already annoying collection. Some people have suggested that I
simply don't do squats, but I understand they are the best exercise
for muscle growth and I definitely want some of that.<<

Girl, you're big enough. Take your time. Focus on building strength and
flexibility. Growth will naturally follow.

>> Any suggestions from more experienced lifters? I don't have access
to any machines, just free weights. <<

Strengthen the body, not the ego.

Don