Here's the link over to the bulletin board where we've shifted, in case you
haven't been receiving our mail lately:

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Since we've taken the IOL tag lines off the individual email messages, we'll
have Yahoogroups send the file settings to us every month.

Laree
ldraper@...

IronOnline email info:
   Post message: IronOnline@yahoogroups.com
   Subscribe: IronOnline-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
   Problems: ldraper@...
   Switch to Digest: IronOnline-digest@yahoogroups.com
   Vacation/No Mail Setting: IronOnline-nomail@yahoogroups.com
   Return to single messages: IronOnline-normal@yahoogroups.com
   Unsubscribe: IronOnline-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

   To change your settings or read the IOL message archive:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IronOnline

   To IronOnline:
   http://davedraper.com/irononline-group-contents.html

   To Bash Archive:
   http://davedraper.com/IOL-bash-report-contents.html

   Email filter instructions:
   http://davedraper.com/email-filter.html

Here's the link over to the bulletin board where we've shifted, in case you
haven't been receiving our mail lately:

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Since we've taken the IOL tag lines off the individual email messages, we'll
have Yahoogroups send the file settings to us every month.

Laree
ldraper@...

IronOnline email info:
   Post message: IronOnline@yahoogroups.com
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   Switch to Digest: IronOnline-digest@yahoogroups.com
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   Unsubscribe: IronOnline-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

   To change your settings or read the IOL message archive:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IronOnline

   To IronOnline:
   http://davedraper.com/irononline-group-contents.html

   To Bash Archive:
   http://davedraper.com/IOL-bash-report-contents.html

   Email filter instructions:
   http://davedraper.com/email-filter.html

Here's the link over to the bulletin board where we've mostly shifted, in case
you haven't been receiving our mail lately:

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Since we've taken the IOL tag lines off the individual email messages, we'll
have Yahoogroups send the file settings to us every couple of weeks so we have
it handy when we need to change our mail settings for vacation, sign off or for
other needs. If you already have a copy of this saved, simply delete this one.

Laree
ldraper@...


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   Unsubscribe: IronOnline-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

   To change your settings or read the IOL message archive:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IronOnline

   To IronOnline:
   http://davedraper.com/irononline-group-contents.html

   To Bash 01 Archive:
   http://davedraper.com/IOL-bash-report-contents.html

   To Bash 02 Information:
   http://davedraper.com/IOL-Bash-2002-Las-Vegas-details.html

   To IOL Group Photo Gallery:
   http://davedraper.com/iron-online-group-photos.html

   Email filter instructions:
   http://davedraper.com/email-filter.html

Here's the link over to the bulletin board where we've mostly shifted, in case
you haven't been receiving our mail lately:

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Since we've taken the IOL tag lines off the individual email messages, we'll
have Yahoogroups send the file settings to us every couple of weeks so we have
it handy when we need to change our mail settings for vacation, sign off or for
other needs. If you already have a copy of this saved, simply delete this one.

Laree
ldraper@...


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   To change your settings or read the IOL message archive:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IronOnline

   To IronOnline:
   http://davedraper.com/irononline-group-contents.html

   To Bash 01 Archive:
   http://davedraper.com/IOL-bash-report-contents.html

   To Bash 02 Information:
   http://davedraper.com/IOL-Bash-2002-Las-Vegas-details.html

   To IOL Group Photo Gallery:
   http://davedraper.com/iron-online-group-photos.html

   Email filter instructions:
   http://davedraper.com/email-filter.html

All this gloom and doom I see on the yahoo list... :(
Lord knows I love yahoo but must look forward and move on.
No denial here - other forums offer more once you get the hang of it.
Im 45yo and certainly not to old to learn.. if you are older they you know
better and you certainly understand that all things change and to move on with
it..  ( you really cannot deny this fact )  Im learning too !
I hope that you guys are not so " set in your ways" that you cannot see the
forest but for the trees... - Move on - join the new forum  - IOL is an awesome
force !
I joined IOL yahoo and will follow to the forum...

Pete
( look --- we all knew it was coming.. )


IronOnline@yahoogroups.com wrote:
There are 5 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. RE: Re: Making the move to the bulletin board

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i am happy to have been part of all this. thank you. i shall see you over
there on the other side at the bulletin board....... yours in iron, domenica


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Hey Roman,if you go to the bottom of the main index page on the board and
click on last 24 hours you can very quickly scan the posts.
CB
----- Original Message -----
From: Roman Mitz <rmitz@...>
To: <IronOnline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [IOL] Making the move to the bulletin board


> If you just want digests in email, that is very easy to do from the
> board.  I don't actually go to the board itself very often at the
> moment (and don't really anticipate doing so), but get the digests
> daily (auto-filed into the same IronOnline folder I've always used...)
>
> > After 4 years of digests, I'll have to say I'll miss seeing you all in
> > my
> > mailbox.
> >
> > Goodnight, and God Bless you all.
> >
> > Paul Wagner
> > Glens Falls, NY
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Peace.


Steve Holt
The Vegetarian Bodybuilder
http://www.vegetarianbodybuilder.com






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Sometimes the grass is greener because there's more manure there.  Watch
your step.


----- Original Message -----
From: <PrangeII@...>
To: <irononline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [IOL] Re: Making the move to the bulletin board


J. Foreman

So were you the last to post?

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
Fences have nothing to do with it. The grass is greenest where it is
watered.
When crossing over fences, carry water with you and tend the grass
wherever you may be.

† smile †



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




IronOnline bulletin board:
http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
Yahoo! Groups Links

IOLer's, How fitting, Steve's poem, as, the party is over for me as well.
I've decided to leave my job as Captain Baker, Phys. Ed. Instructor, and
move on the faster waters.  I've found myself in an eddy here, and as I've
watched the waters of life roll by, come to realize I've lost my momentum as
well.  Still read IOL posts but the magic seemed to wane.  Perhaps the new
board will offer a North Current; fresh, cool, and clear waters to begin
sailing again.  We shall see.  For now, I'm trying to get into
Pharmaceutical Sales to use my advanced science skills coupled with contact
with new people and fresh ideas.  Maybe I'll end up in another cess-pool,
but if so, I'm sure it won't stand and I'll move on again.  I've spent three
and a half years here at the Military Academy as Captain Cut Diesel, but
from now, it's accolades for one, not inspiration for many.  After one year
here I wrote the following note, "So gravity must and gravity will, but
saunter must we mustn't still."  It took 2 1/2 years to sink in that in
order to grow I needed more.  As Steve wrote below, I realized this was a
masquerade that had to wind up.  As I wondered how to do it I burried myself
in lifting.  As such, last year I wrote, "I shall bomb, I shall blast, I
shall blitz until the muscles do not last."  Now, tens of thousands of reps
later, realizing the inevitable stagnation of the position I'm in, it's time
to test myself in the waters of uncertainty.  My training has made me ready
for the brunt of change. I add
a personal note of thanks to the support I received from IOLer's in the past
3 and 1/2 years,  Now, I leave IOL, in pensive mood, with this; (just wrote
it)
"Waters, waters, rise in tide, catch the current when is nigh,
ebb and flow more give than go, holding anchor for the show,
time to catch the current still, testing, resting ever will,
time to sweat and toil and last, 'fore the time is gone to past."

Farwell IronOnline, as such, and good luck in your chosen plights in the
future, maybe I'll surface again in New York, like a shiny new penny!  For
now I've got a bar a beckoning, and not the smokey type...
Captain Cut Diesel...AKA...James Baker

>"The party's over
>It's time to call it a day
>No matter how you pretend
>You knew it would end this way
>
>It's time to wind up
>The masquerade
>Just make your mind up
>The piper must be paid
>
>The party's over
>The candles flicker and dim
>You laughed and shared through the night
>It seemed to be right
>together again...
>
>Now you must wake up
>All dreams must end
>Take off your make-up
>The party's over,
>It's all over my friend"
>
>....But on to the BOARD!!!  ... and New York City for Bash04...
>
>~Stingo

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If you just want digests in email, that is very easy to do from the
board.  I don't actually go to the board itself very often at the
moment (and don't really anticipate doing so), but get the digests
daily (auto-filed into the same IronOnline folder I've always used...)

> After 4 years of digests, I'll have to say I'll miss seeing you all in
> my
> mailbox.
>
> Goodnight, and God Bless you all.
>
> Paul Wagner
> Glens Falls, NY

J. Foreman

So were you the last to post?

The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
Fences have nothing to do with it. The grass is greenest where it is watered.
When crossing over fences, carry water with you and tend the grass
wherever you may be.

† smile †



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DITTO!
J. Foreman - -  Pleasant Hill, CA



After 4 years of digests, I'll have to say I'll miss seeing you all in my
mailbox.

Goodnight, and God Bless you all.

Paul Wagner
Glens Falls, NY

> I'm flipping the switch on the IOL mail at Yahoogroups, although the message
archive will remain online as long as Yahoo leaves it there. I've also collected
every piece of IronOnline mail over the past five years and plan to sort the
major threads into archive material for the new bulletin board library.>

After 4 years of digests, I'll have to say I'll miss seeing you all in my
mailbox.

Goodnight, and God Bless you all.

Paul Wagner
Glens Falls, NY

"Lift Long and prosper"

<< Tomorrow, Friday, the 30th of April, after nearly five years of
delightful and enlightening communication, the IronOnline email discussion
group (or family, as some think of it) will, in effect, end. Our vivacious
and brilliant moderator and web master has taken us a step forward once
again. We shall from this day on converse in a far more comprehensive manner
via the internet bulletin board. As simple as a five-pound plate, the forum
serves a light-weight purpose. Yet, like a barbell there are tons of added
features the unique board offers for the heavy lifter. Visit the board,
look around and register with the 1,000 muscle makers already in action.
It's very useful, very interesting and, therefore, very popular. It's like
trading in your 110-lb barbell set for a 500-lb set of Olympic weights. May
your bodyfat go down as your squats, deadlifts and bench presses go up.

God's strength... DD>>


Brilliantly stated. And, so it ends. Born from the ... uhem ... earlier days
of the fledgling internet of 5 years ago to now. Twinkling memories of BBall
and BigBarry, Moke and Muser to Crazy Larry. Had to love'em. Some more, some
less, but wow what great relationships and ideas exchanged. All made
possible by Da' Bomber and his lovely and indeed brilliant bride. Wouldn't
trade any of it, but that set of 110 pound Sears Concrete Specials really
has gotta go for that Oly bar. Can't wait. The new deal is also like an
SS454 compared to a Model T. Blast off. See you there, Bombers.

Bill

I'm flipping the switch on the IOL mail at Yahoogroups, although the
message archive will remain online as long as Yahoo leaves it there. I've
also collected every piece of IronOnline mail over the past five years and
plan to sort the major threads into archive material for the new bulletin
board library.

If you find bulletin board use clumsy, you may like our new "View Recent
Messages" command found at the bottom of the main forums index page. This
presents a quick scan off all the messages posted in the past 24 hours, a
preview of the messages from the past 48 hours, or a subject and writer
list from the past 7 days. Very handy and may be just what some of you were
waiting for.

Greater accessibility opened the group up to new writers who were before
unable to receive volume email. This means you'll find increased access to
information, writers and subject variety, and this can only expand over
time. If you haven't made the move, I hope you'll take the time to learn
the board this weekend. Sure don't want to lose any of you on moving day!

You can find the new board here:
http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

The yahoogroups IOL message archive is here:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/IronOnline/messages

And please drop me a note if you have any trouble with anything on the board:
mailto:ldraper@...

Catch ya over there!

Laree

Yep.... That's GREAT Steve!
Thanks LOADS!!!!

Best!
~Stingo   (see you on the board!)

Steve Kuykendall <steve@...> wrote:
If it was me, I would consider doing these in a different order, triceps
before biceps and doing the dips, then skulls and then the pressdowns as a
burnout. This will work larger to smaller.

I would start biceps with DBs, go to preacher and then finish with the
isolation of the concentration curl.

Is that what you refer to?

/sk



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or maybe your too tired from picking it up off the ground and need to use a
squat rack : )



From: Richard Sanchez <nasa_rss@...> on 04/30/2004 12:13 PM

Please respond to IronOnline@yahoogroups.com

To:   IronOnline@yahoogroups.com
cc:    (bcc: Justin Avery/WNB)

Subject:  Re: [IOL] ARM question????


If your forearms are becoming too burned to
effectively train your upper arms then maybe the
forearms need to be trained more diligently during the
week or more often.

Richard Sanchez

"The party's over
It's time to call it a day
No matter how you pretend
You knew it would end this way

It's time to wind up
The masquerade
Just make your mind up
The piper must be paid

The party's over
The candles flicker and dim
You laughed and shared through the night
It seemed to be right
together again...

Now you must wake up
All dreams must end
Take off your make-up
The party's over,
It's all over my friend"

....But on to the BOARD!!!  ... and New York City for Bash04...

~Stingo





Tom Coltrain <tcoltrain@...> wrote:
Turn out the lights. Good night John Boy.



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Turn out the lights. Good night John Boy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stingo" <chopchopp1@...>
To: <IronOnline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [IOL] Re: Hey, Bombers! - LAREE ot BILL2


> Is there a prize for the very LAST poster?????   heehee....
>
> ~Stingo
>
> Dan <colettad@...> wrote:
> Go to "main index" it's at the bottom in the "extra information"
>
> --- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kuykendall
> wrote:
> > Where do I find that feature? I worry I am missing some...
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > /sk
> >
> > At 12:13 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> > > >>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<
> > >
> > ><> >both?
> > >Rob P.>>
> > >
> > >Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
> > >constraints.
> > >
> > >But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
> > >virtually just like an email system. Presents all the
> > >latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
> > >working backwards.
> > >
> > >So one can respond there or go into the specific
> > >thread to see all that has been said already. It's
> > >the best of both worlds, imo.
> > >
> > >Bill2
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Is there a prize for the very LAST poster?????   heehee....

~Stingo

Dan <colettad@...> wrote:
Go to "main index" it's at the bottom in the "extra information"

--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kuykendall
wrote:
> Where do I find that feature? I worry I am missing some...
>
> TIA
>
> /sk
>
> At 12:13 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> > >>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<
> >
> ><> >both?
> >Rob P.>>
> >
> >Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
> >constraints.
> >
> >But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
> >virtually just like an email system. Presents all the
> >latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
> >working backwards.
> >
> >So one can respond there or go into the specific
> >thread to see all that has been said already. It's
> >the best of both worlds, imo.
> >
> >Bill2



IronOnline bulletin board:
http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
Yahoo! Groups Links






---------------------------------
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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Go here -->  http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Time is running out..... tic, tic, tic......

~Stingo

Dan <colettad@...> wrote:
Go to "main index" it's at the bottom in the "extra information"

--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kuykendall
wrote:
> Where do I find that feature? I worry I am missing some...
>
> TIA
>
> /sk
>
> At 12:13 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> > >>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<
> >
> ><> >both?
> >Rob P.>>
> >
> >Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
> >constraints.
> >
> >But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
> >virtually just like an email system. Presents all the
> >latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
> >working backwards.
> >
> >So one can respond there or go into the specific
> >thread to see all that has been said already. It's
> >the best of both worlds, imo.
> >
> >Bill2



IronOnline bulletin board:
http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
Yahoo! Groups Links






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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Go to "main index" it's at the bottom in the "extra information"

--- In IronOnline@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kuykendall <steve@a...>
wrote:
> Where do I find that feature? I worry I am missing some...
>
> TIA
>
> /sk
>
> At 12:13 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> > >>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<
> >
> ><<Sad but true...and what's the problem with keeping
> >both?
> >Rob P.>>
> >
> >Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
> >constraints.
> >
> >But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
> >virtually just like an email system.  Presents all the
> >latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
> >working backwards.
> >
> >So one can respond there or go into the specific
> >thread to see all that has been said already.  It's
> >the best of both worlds, imo.
> >
> >Bill2

Where do I find that feature? I worry I am missing some...

TIA

/sk

At 12:13 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> >>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<
>
><<Sad but true...and what's the problem with keeping
>both?
>Rob P.>>
>
>Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
>constraints.
>
>But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
>virtually just like an email system.  Presents all the
>latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
>working backwards.
>
>So one can respond there or go into the specific
>thread to see all that has been said already.  It's
>the best of both worlds, imo.
>
>Bill2

If your forearms are becoming too burned to
effectively train your upper arms then maybe the
forearms need to be trained more diligently during the
week or more often.

Richard Sanchez

--- Stingo <chopchopp1@...> wrote:
> Thanks Steve. I do those. Let me rephrase the
> question.
>
> I do the following for bi's and tri's - All
> super-sets.
> ~Standing DB curls ss/w Tricep pushdown - 5 set
> pyramid.
> ~Low Consentration curls ss/w assisted dips - 5 set
> pyramid
> ~Preacher curls ss/w sculls... - 5 set pyramid
>
> However, my forearms seem to get burned out early so
> I can't blast the bi's and tri's (Larger muscles)
> effectively (or to suit me)....
>
> Do you suggest a more effective progression to
> fatigue the bi's and tri's BEFORE the forearms?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> ~Stingo
>
> Steve Kuykendall <steve@...> wrote:
> For tri's I love the french DB press behind the
> neck. Not hard on the
> forearm at all.
>
> /sk
>
> At 11:22 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> >I'd like some feedback on this...
> >
> >How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's
> workout without burning out
> >the forearms early on?
> >
> >I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am
> curious to hear some
> >opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some
> of you do to really
> >isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE
> forearms, and am working
> >on symmetry.
> >
> >Thanks ALL!!!!
> >
> >~Stingo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
> IronOnline bulletin board:
> http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>      IronOnline-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>





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If it was me, I would consider doing these in a different order, triceps
before biceps and doing the dips, then skulls and then the pressdowns as a
burnout. This will work larger to smaller.

I would start biceps with DBs, go to preacher and then finish with the
isolation of the concentration curl.

Is that what you refer to?

/sk


At 12:10 PM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks Steve. I do those. Let me rephrase the question.
>
>I do the following for bi's and tri's - All super-sets.
>~Standing DB curls ss/w Tricep pushdown - 5 set pyramid.
>~Low Consentration curls ss/w assisted dips - 5 set pyramid
>~Preacher curls ss/w sculls... - 5 set pyramid
>
>However, my forearms seem to get burned out early so I can't blast the
>bi's and tri's (Larger muscles) effectively (or to suit me)....
>
>Do you suggest a more effective progression to fatigue the bi's and tri's
>BEFORE the forearms?
>
>Thanks!!
>
>~Stingo
>
>Steve Kuykendall <steve@...> wrote:
>For tri's I love the french DB press behind the neck. Not hard on the
>forearm at all.
>
>/sk
>
>At 11:22 AM 4/30/2004, you wrote:
> >I'd like some feedback on this...
> >
> >How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out
> >the forearms early on?
> >
> >I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some
> >opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really
> >isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working
> >on symmetry.
> >
> >Thanks ALL!!!!
> >
> >~Stingo
>
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Thanks dear... =))

~Stingo

Laree Draper <ldraper@...> wrote:
Hi, Stingo,

You'll want to take this question over to the bulletin board. I'm going to
shut down the IOL mail later today -- maybe you didn't see Dave's message
last night....

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/ubbthreads.php

Laree


>I'd like some feedback on this...
>
>How can I get a good isolated Bi's and Tri's workout without burning out
>the forearms early on?
>
>I know not to GRIP the bar too tight, but I am curious to hear some
>opinons on the "order" and type of exercises some of you do to really
>isolate bi's and tri's... I already have POPEYE forearms, and am working
>on symmetry.
>
>Thanks ALL!!!!
>
>~Stingo
>
>
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Cy,

You must not have read Frank's post too well. He was quoting an interview
with Dave. This is a Dave Draper quote, not a Frank Zane quote.

http://www.davedraper.com/forum/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/2197

Laree

>     "Lift long enough and I believe arrogance is replaced by
>     humility and fear by courage and selfishness by generosity
>     and rudeness by compassion and caring."
>         -- Frank Zane, M.A., Mr. Olympia 1977, 1978, 1979

>>Bulletin boards are too time consuming...<<

<<Sad but true...and what's the problem with keeping
both?
Rob P.>>

Available time to monitor both is one of the bigger
constraints.

But the "View Messages in last 24 Hours" feature is
virtually just like an email system.  Presents all the
latest messages in order from the latest receipt and
working backwards.

So one can respond there or go into the specific
thread to see all that has been said already.  It's
the best of both worlds, imo.

Bill2




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