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#2450 From: "Mike" <allaboutdiapers@...>
Date: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:01 am
Subject: Summer Heat?
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How do you guys and gals combat summer's heat in relation to
incontinence wear? I've been trying to get away with not wearing
waterproof pants, but that's risky.

#2449 From: "damien_ackroyd" <damien_ackroyd@...>
Date: Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: Re: I dont know were too start HELP!!!
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oh okay thanxs for the help

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rks49783@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "damien_ackroyd" <damien_ackroyd@>
> wrote:
> >
> > ive noticed for a while now and its starting to get worrying i know
> > its stupid but here it gose
> >
> > everytime i go to the toilet i take care of nauture and then finish
> > and shake off but as soon as i walk out the bathroom i dribble
> > afterwards im confused
> >
> > i know its not much
> >
> Damien,
>
> Your concern is not stupidity..rest assured.. i have the same issue..
> recently its progressed to more than dribbling.. it could be something
> known as postvoid residual dribbling..or it could be something
> worse..see a doctor.. don't wait out of embarassment.. please.. and
> dont think its nothing to bother him about..it is..if it bothers
> you..see a doctor.. no need to be embarrassed.. thats what a doctor is
> for..the bladder is just like any other part of the body.. it can go
> wrong.. if you have the same thing i do.. it could get worse..get it
> checked out soon!
>
> Rob
>

#2448 From: "michael" <mcogan@...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:44 pm
Subject: Re: I dont know were too start HELP!!!
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Well if it is really starting to worry you you should seek help from
your doctor never be embarrassed about going to him/her for that sort
of problem it could be nothing to worry about

#2447 From: "Rob" <rks49783@...>
Date: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:19 am
Subject: Re: I dont know were too start HELP!!!
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--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "damien_ackroyd" <damien_ackroyd@...>
wrote:
>
> ive noticed for a while now and its starting to get worrying i know
> its stupid but here it gose
>
> everytime i go to the toilet i take care of nauture and then finish
> and shake off but as soon as i walk out the bathroom i dribble
> afterwards im confused
>
> i know its not much
>
Damien,

Your concern is not stupidity..rest assured.. i have the same issue..
recently its progressed to more than dribbling.. it could be something
known as postvoid residual dribbling..or it could be something
worse..see a doctor.. don't wait out of embarassment.. please.. and
dont think its nothing to bother him about..it is..if it bothers
you..see a doctor.. no need to be embarrassed.. thats what a doctor is
for..the bladder is just like any other part of the body.. it can go
wrong.. if you have the same thing i do.. it could get worse..get it
checked out soon!

Rob

#2446 From: "damien_ackroyd" <damien_ackroyd@...>
Date: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:52 pm
Subject: I dont know were too start HELP!!!
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ive noticed for a while now and its starting to get worrying i know
its stupid but here it gose

everytime i go to the toilet i take care of nauture and then finish
and shake off but as soon as i walk out the bathroom i dribble
afterwards im confused

i know its not much

#2445 From: "????" <disdiaperboy@...>
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:56 am
Subject: Re: IQ and Incontinence
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This whole conversation started because some people in this group who seemed normal to above normal intelligence pointed out that because of having a medical issue their family called them "low IQ."
 
On the topic of MENSA I was a member but got sick of the the snobby arrogant people at the meetings so I started to hang outside with the less snobby people and stopped paying dues.
 
On the topic of me being the lowest IQ. Quite the contrary, I am the highest IQ but a statistically insignificant 5 points.
 
The 168 I stated came from an S+B done by 2 well known psychologists in my area.
 
I took one joke IQ test (that decompiling it's algorithm, said it maxed at at 210) that scored me at 205, but that is online for you.
 
On Bryan.... What you said is such a load of bullshit, it made me laugh. Colleges don't just "let" you skip classes because of your IQ. This is coming from someone who started college at 17 (well 16 but who cares) and has been in since. I currently hold degrees in computers, medicine, and religion; I am currently working on an advanced degree in medicine.
 
If it makes anyone feel better about how worthless I am, I was recently diagnosed borderline autistic.
 
Now let's go back to the topic at hand, management of incontinence and the effects on our wellbeing and the social contact that may be effected by it.
 
Does anyone suffer depressing as a digressive reaction to their incontinence?
 
 
 
 

#2444 From: daytimelover <daytimelover20032000@...>
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:58 am
Subject: Re: IQ and Incontinence
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is this an incontinence web site or an IQ web site, im confused

--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Lee <dev@...> wrote:
From: Lee <dev@...>
Subject: [Incont] IQ and Incontinence
To: Incont@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 4:05 PM



#2443 From: Lee <dev@...>
Date: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:05 pm
Subject: IQ and Incontinence
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Are you guys sure you're talking about IQ scores?  All the IQs posted
sofar would have been classified as genius:

IQ Classification 	 IQ Score
Low IQ/Mentally Retarded  70 - 79
Dull Normal IQ 		 80 - 90
Normal IQ Score 	 91 - 110
Bright Normal IQ Score 	 111 - 120
Superior IQ Score 	 120 - 130
Genius IQ Scores 	 131 and Above

Bryon Triplett wrote:
> 168 IQ is pretty good.  Personally, I'm told I shouldn't be in school
> anymore.  I'm a RN at the age of 19 because of advanced placement, but
> can't find work because of my incontinence.  My IQ, not to toot my own
> horn, is 205 and it's got me farther in college classes because I was
> 'too smart' for the 101 classes.  As stated by the professors.
> Incontinence sucks, IQ is a fairly good way to judge on intellegence but
> it is a test.  I've never taken a test well.  I've got a current GPA of
> 3.39 because most of my class scores are tests.
>
> Ok, enough of smarts lol.  I have full incontinence (bladder and bowel)
> school is bad, highschool was worse, can't find a job, but I'm keeping
> my head up.  You do the same and don't let anything get you down.  Just
> remember, there is no set definition of normal, there is societial
> normal and only that.  Be yourself and don't let anyone or anything get
> you down :D.

#2442 From: "Espen S." <wetespen@...>
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:34 am
Subject: Re:
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Disdiaperboy

You do not say what the average in your family is, but if you are considered a
low IQ
person with an IQ of 168, I am quite surprised.

Mensa, the organization for people with exceptionally high IQ, has a an IQ
"demand" for
applying set to 132 (the Stanford-Binet test) or 148 (the Cattell test). Which
means that
with your IQ, you would certainly qualify as a member.

I therefore find it very strange that you are considered low IQ. Your IQ, if
measured by a
serious test, is among the top 0.5% of the population and would be considered to
be
"genius stuff". Thus, I would assume that you can easily have a career in
science or
something like that.

Anyway - you can definitely be proud of yourself - you belong among people like
Einstein
and others. And you are right - "strange" appearance, bad speech or whatever
should not
be mistaken with lack of intelligence - the famous scientist Stephen Hawking,
bound to a
wheelchair and who has to talk through a voice-machine, is said to have an IQ of
around
200.

All the best,
Espen

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "????" <disdiaperboy@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently I am my families "Low IQ child" odd since I surpassed my brother
> s in IQ and science skill at a young age (almost rather good at math). I was
> born a blue baby because I was "dead" in-utero. My difficulties lied in the
> speech and reading area (I had a large vocabulary but needed translation
> when I got too excited), and my reading level was always greatly above my
> grade level but I was stubborn and hated reading books below my reading
> level.
>
> I floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of the "low IQ" or that a person can
> not break from what they have been labeled.
>
> My parents were told I would never walk or talk or have a mentality greater
> then 14 months. My parents were told 3 different times that I was going to
> die (birth, 1 week old w/ meningitis, and when I fell asleep on a boogie
> board and floated out to sea in the Atlantic).
>
> I am currently a nurse practioner student with a 168 IQ. I have a 2.9-3.1
> GPA (which I admit is because I am very lazy).
>
> Please do not pigeon hole people
>
> -------Original Message-------

#2441 From: ". ." <ausddl@...>
Date: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:34 am
Subject: Re: Stepped on your toes, did I?
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Just to put some perspective around this, IQ tests are only scored to 175.
Anything over that is regarded as profoundly gifted. Stephen Hawkins
territory. I suspect some people are getting their scores from suspect
online tests that are done with aids.


I.Q. Range (15SD)Intelligence Classification
1-19Profound Mental Retardation
20–34Severe Mental Retardation
35–49Moderate Mental Retardation
50–69Mild Mental Retardation
70–79Borderline Mental Retardation
80-114Average Intelligence
115-129Bright
130-144Moderately Gifted
145-159Highly Gifted
160-175Exceptionally Gifted
Over 175Profoundly Gifted






















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Subject: RE: [Incont] Stepped on your toes, did I?

168 IQ is pretty good.  Personally, I'm told I shouldn't be in school anymore.  I'm a RN at the age of 19 because of advanced placement, but can't find work because of my incontinence.  My IQ, not to toot my own horn, is 205 and it's got me farther in college classes because I was 'too smart' for the 101 classes.  As stated by the professors.  Incontinence sucks, IQ is a fairly good way to judge on intellegence but it is a test.  I've never taken a test well.  I've got a current GPA of 3.39 because most of my class scores are tests. 

Ok, enough of smarts lol.  I have full incontinence (bladder and bowel) school is bad, highschool was worse, can't find a job, but I'm keeping my head up.  You do the same and don't let anything get you down.  Just remember, there is no set definition of normal, there is societial normal and only that.  Be yourself and don't let anyone or anything get you down :D.




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#2440 From: Bryon Triplett <necrilian_babies@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:26 pm
Subject: RE: Stepped on your toes, did I?
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168 IQ is pretty good.  Personally, I'm told I shouldn't be in school anymore.  I'm a RN at the age of 19 because of advanced placement, but can't find work because of my incontinence.  My IQ, not to toot my own horn, is 205 and it's got me farther in college classes because I was 'too smart' for the 101 classes.  As stated by the professors.  Incontinence sucks, IQ is a fairly good way to judge on intellegence but it is a test.  I've never taken a test well.  I've got a current GPA of 3.39 because most of my class scores are tests. 

Ok, enough of smarts lol.  I have full incontinence (bladder and bowel) school is bad, highschool was worse, can't find a job, but I'm keeping my head up.  You do the same and don't let anything get you down.  Just remember, there is no set definition of normal, there is societial normal and only that.  Be yourself and don't let anyone or anything get you down :D.



#2439 From: Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:47 pm
Subject: RE: Mary and her 10 year old son
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Actually, Jack, I just received referrals to a couple pediatric urologists from our county health nurse this week.  We have a top-rated pediatric hospital in our area and it is relatively easy for us to find good pediatric care.  I have visited some of their offices far more often then I'd care to admit!  I now have to seek out a pediatric pulmonary doctor for my daughter.  Seems her asthma has really gotten the best of her this summer.  <groan>  If it is not one thing, it's another.
 
Thanks for your concern.  I'm sure we will do fine.  I'll let you know when we find something out.
~Mary






To: Incont@yahoogroups.com
From: babyvamp@...
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:51:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [Incont] Mary and her 10 year old son


Hello Mary,
 
  If you can try to contact a pediatric urologist to take your son to, I have been to many adult and sometimes they are no where near as gentle as they should be about our physical or mental anguish over these problems we all share.
Take care,
Jack Kramer
38 IDN-urinary
 
" Accept me for who I am, it is me true and honest!"
 
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [Incont]

RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site
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Sat 7/12/08 6:40 PM



Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4! th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary



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#2438 From: "ron" <ronandsuemorrison@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: Enlarged Prostate
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I've had bph or enlarged prostate for several yrs on cancer trial so
get psa checked yearly .9.The incontinence is the biggest problem with
it as the drugs cause side effects so will wait about surgery.

#2437 From: "????" <disdiaperboy@...>
Date: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:26 am
Subject: RE: Stepped on your toes, did I?
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Actually, all I am saying is that people can be wrong about others.
 
I am sorry you took it offensively.
 
I will just leave. You can all just fucking pity each other and yourselves instead of saying "everyone is wrong about me." 
 
I am not going to wallowing in the self deprecating pity I was brought up with. I am going to fight and win.
 
Also an IQ of 57 (or 168) means fucking bullshit, it is how you use what you know. I have a fucking cousin who is IQ 32 (when she was testing as a child). She has a job, she goes to college. Is it fucking easy, no, but she will never give up. She as severe MR, and won't give up. I hate the "pity my useless ass" opinion most people have,
 
I pity NO ONE, and I want pity from no one.
 
So next time you feel like attacking me because you are self deprecating and defensive think this. "How would I think is everyone I know was disabled in some way from cancer to autism to MR to MS to MD to every other god damn issue".
 
If you thought is that I feel sorry for them or my friend want people to pity them then as my now dead friend from MD put it "take your useless fucking options and kill yourself, the world needs less assholes."
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 07/22/08 01:20:04
Subject: RE: [Incont] Stepped on your toes, did I?
 

Sorry to have stepped on your toes, "disdiaperboy".  But, by your OWN admission, you have an IQ of 168.  Well, bully for you!  Apparently, these results of YOUR IQ testing MUST be pretty significant to you for you to even mention it here.
 
So, I say to you -- my now 51 year old brother STILL has an IQ of 75 (just recently re-evaluated due to our applying for medical aid, disability, etc., for him); regardless of special education, Goodwill rehabilitative programs, or other rehabilitative programs provided by the state that he has participated in through the years.  He was the son my mother said had a "birth accident".  He was a bed-wetter into his teens.  My MOTHER blamed his "birth injury" for many things, including his nocturnal enuresis (even though my younger "brilliant" brother also wet his bed until he was 8 years old), giving my older brother the convenient excuse that it "was not his fault".  HOWEVER, *I* was ridiculed for having daytime incontinence.  I did not have a "physical reason", as far as my parents were concerned, though it was discovered MUCH LATER in my life (after they had long passed on) that I DID indeed have hydrocephalus since birth, therefore, incontinent for "physical reasons".  (In MY household, apparently it was "excusable" to lose bladder control at night, but NOT during the daytime hours, which was patently unfair.)
 
As for my older brother, he will only ever work poor-paying labor jobs.  He will never step into the professional world.  He currently scrubs floors at the mall on midnight shift.  He will never have an IQ of 168 no matter how long he lives, or what form of education ANYone provides.  He is who he is.  He's my brother.  I see him as a wonderful person with a good and loving personality, WHEN he chooses to be congenial ('cuz he can be quite an a** when he wants to be).  Occasionally he gets some really good jokes in.  He's learned throughout his life to mimic some terms and vocabulary that "gets him by".  He can fool people for a little while, but he can't fool an employer for long.  It becomes apparent that he cannot read or write well (in spite of special ed and continuing adult education), nor process information effectively.  Same test that gave you a 168 assesses my brother at 75, which is a "borderline", or "low IQ" no matter how worthless you find the term.
 
My 10 year old son has been evaluated multiple times, has the benefit of EVERY therapy, tutor, special education instructor POSSIBLE at his school and by the SAME TEST that evaluates YOU at 168, evaluates him at a 79, which is considered a "borderline", or "low", IQ.  He does well in science and math because at this grade level both are concrete, but he does not function at "typical" 4th grade level.  Much of what he is learning in math is at 2nd and 3rd grade level.  He reads at 3rd grade level.  His speech has always been significantly delayed.  I took him to his pediatrician on multiple occasions requesting a hearing exam when he was a toddler because he could not, or would not, speak.  But, she kept blowing me off, "We'll give him a little extra time.  Boys acquire language later than girls."  I got tired of that BS because I KNEW something was wrong with his understanding and at 32 months took him for my own evaluations.  It was determined that he COULD hear, though it was difficult to assess as he was quite uncooperative.  I was told he had a "language processing delay".  I placed him in special education pre-school where he received speech therapy, occupational therapy, and physical therapy.
 
When it was time for kindergarten, I BEGGED for him to remain in pre-school because he STILL hadn't caught on to potty-training, even though his 3 year old sister had.  The school administration felt it was better to keep him moving on, since the pre-school program took him as far as he could go and they didn't want him to get bored.  I worked and worked and worked with him all summer to the point of his frustration and mine, and still got no where with potty training (we even went to a pediatric behavioral neurologist for help).  So, he went into kindergarten untrained, and we had to work around chronic bathroom accidents.  Only when he finished kindergarten did it finally "click" with him.  Then we held a BIG celebration at Chuck E Cheese with gifts and friends and balloons and the works!  He was FINALLY potty trained after 2.5 years of frustration!
 
Again, I fought his placement in 1st grade, since kindergarten required SO MUCH extra help for him, hoping that one more year in kindergarten would help build a firmer foundation for his future education.  Again, everyone involved in his education felt that he would be bored if we held him back since he already demonstrated that he knew the information, he just processed it much more slowly than his peers.  He was then dx'ed with a "global processing delay".
 
First grade was "HELL year".  He had multiple emotional meltdowns daily.  The day was too long for him.  Too much information was presented in a day.  I fought for him to be returned to kindergarten.  Instead, they assigned him to a new school with a more extensive special ed program.  In that program, at a much slower pace, he THRIVED.  No more meltdowns.  But, he is not "typical".  He still says crazy, outrageous things that are no longer "age appropriate", like "I haven't seen that in 48 years!"  Well, we all know that's IMPOSSIBLE, he's only 10.  Even though other kids his age have learned the value of time and can assess that "48 years" is not appropriate, he can't.  He inserts RANDOM crazy facts into sentences.
 
When I take him to buy ballet shoes, I tell the sales associate to fit him as she would any other dancer, but ignore what he says, because he says random, crazy, inappropriate things to the sales clerk and confuse the issue.  He does not communicate clearly and says random things off the top of his head.  One of our last purchases was excruciating.  I finally asked the clerk, "Do YOU think they fit?"  Yes, she said.  "Do they fit the way the instructor EXPECTS them to fit?"  Yes, she said.  "Then it doesn't matter what he says.  He's just spewing random information."  Here my son is trying to tell her random things about his OLD pair of shoes not fitting right, but she thinks he's talking about the current ones he's trying on and doing back-flips to try to find a pair that fit according to his "wishes".
 
My son cannot process more than 2 steps of information.  "First, sit at your desk.  Then take out your math book."  Not, "Class, please return to your desks and turn to page 128 in your math book.  Do all the odd problems numbered 1-15."  You lost him at "return to your desk"!  All questions and commands HAVE to be restructured in simple form for him.
 
One time, when my son was 4, he approached me at the WIC office.  He tossed out a couple of disjointed words that I concluded meant that he wanted to know what the boy's name was who was playing at the Lego table with him.  The social worker says, "I'm sure he will tell you his name if you just go back and ask him.  Go ahead, he'll tell you."  My son stood dumbfounded staring at the social worker.  "Go on!" she said.  I smiled at her and politely said, "He doesn't understand you."  "Sure he does!" she insisted.  "No.  He doesn't.  You used too many words and spoke them out of order.  He can't process what you said."  Instead, I looked him in the eye and said "Honey, go shake his hand."  He smiled and ran out of the office to shake the boy's hand.  We had made a game of handshakes.  I taught him months before to extend his hand and say, "Pleased to meet you!  What's your name?"  He found out the boy's name.
 
So, you floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of "low IQ"?  Very well.  But, it was obvious at a "young age" that you surpassed your brother's IQ and skill in science.  Well, it is pretty obvious to me that my son will struggle for the rest of his life to keep pace with his peers.  That's not a "pigeon hole", it is the truth, because the MOMENT *I* forget that he can only process 2 steps of information, I'VE "lost" him.  THANKFULLY, that child has a good work ethic and works DILIGENTLY at the tasks put before him, because he has a LONG, HARD row to hoe.
 
Bully for you that you survived your ordeals with your precious 168 intact.  What a BLESSING!!!!  Some kids, however, don't.
 
Get a clue!
~Mary
 
BTW, learn how to use plurals and apostrophes.  It's really not that difficult.  I would think that a guy with such a high IQ, that likes to throw around 25 letter words, would prefer that people actually think he was educated.




To: Incont@yahoogroups.com
From: disdiaperboy@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:25:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [Incont]


Apparently I am my families "Low IQ child" odd since I surpassed my brother's in IQ and science skill at a young age (almost rather good at math). I was born a blue baby because I was "dead" in-utero. My difficulties lied in the speech and reading area (I had a large vocabulary but needed translation when I got too excited), and my reading level was always greatly above my grade level but I was stubborn and hated reading books below my reading level.
 
I floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of the "low IQ" or that a person can not break from what they have been labeled.
 
My parents were told I would never walk or talk or have a mentality greater then 14 months. My parents were told 3 different times that I was going to die (birth, 1 week old w/ meningitis, and when I fell asleep on a boogie board and floated out to sea in the Atlantic).
 
I am currently a nurse practioner student with a 168 IQ. I have a 2.9-3.1 GPA (which I admit is because I am very lazy).
 
Please do not pigeon hole people
 
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Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary




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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:30:10 -0700
Subject: RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site


Hi Mary. I to wet my bed till a late age.I was 14 We didn,t have pullups back then. I had to wear regular diapers and plastic pants. That was rough at times But I lived through it.I had a accident at age 33 and had a bad back injury.Leaveing me with nerve damage after the sugery.This caused me to restart my bedwetting again Belive me I wanted to die.But I went back to the diapers.Thats been the best thing for me to do. Still rough at times.I,m ok during the day I just can,t fall asleep anywhere. I know there,s lots of people out there that are werse off than me.But as kids go it,s more common now that when I was a kid. Guess thats why there makeing the pullup,s in larger sizes. I,ve never replyed to anyone here But I always read whats here. I hope your haveing a GREAT Summer  Jim


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#2436 From: Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:45 pm
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Sorry to have stepped on your toes, "disdiaperboy".  But, by your OWN admission, you have an IQ of 168.  Well, bully for you!  Apparently, these results of YOUR IQ testing MUST be pretty significant to you for you to even mention it here.
 
So, I say to you -- my now 51 year old brother STILL has an IQ of 75 (just recently re-evaluated due to our applying for medical aid, disability, etc., for him); regardless of special education, Goodwill rehabilitative programs, or other rehabilitative programs provided by the state that he has participated in through the years.  He was the son my mother said had a "birth accident".  He was a bed-wetter into his teens.  My MOTHER blamed his "birth injury" for many things, including his nocturnal enuresis (even though my younger "brilliant" brother also wet his bed until he was 8 years old), giving my older brother the convenient excuse that it "was not his fault".  HOWEVER, *I* was ridiculed for having daytime incontinence.  I did not have a "physical reason", as far as my parents were concerned, though it was discovered MUCH LATER in my life (after they had long passed on) that I DID indeed have hydrocephalus since birth, therefore, incontinent for "physical reasons".  (In MY household, apparently it was "excusable" to lose bladder control at night, but NOT during the daytime hours, which was patently unfair.)
 
As for my older brother, he will only ever work poor-paying labor jobs.  He will never step into the professional world.  He currently scrubs floors at the mall on midnight shift.  He will never have an IQ of 168 no matter how long he lives, or what form of education ANYone provides.  He is who he is.  He's my brother.  I see him as a wonderful person with a good and loving personality, WHEN he chooses to be congenial ('cuz he can be quite an a** when he wants to be).  Occasionally he gets some really good jokes in.  He's learned throughout his life to mimic some terms and vocabulary that "gets him by".  He can fool people for a little while, but he can't fool an employer for long.  It becomes apparent that he cannot read or write well (in spite of special ed and continuing adult education), nor process information effectively.  Same test that gave you a 168 assesses my brother at 75, which is a "borderline", or "low IQ" no matter how worthless you find the term.
 
My 10 year old son has been evaluated multiple times, has the benefit of EVERY therapy, tutor, special education instructor POSSIBLE at his school and by the SAME TEST that evaluates YOU at 168, evaluates him at a 79, which is considered a "borderline", or "low", IQ.  He does well in science and math because at this grade level both are concrete, but he does not function at "typical" 4th grade level.  Much of what he is learning in math is at 2nd and 3rd grade level.  He reads at 3rd grade level.  His speech has always been significantly delayed.  I took him to his pediatrician on multiple occasions requesting a hearing exam when he was a toddler because he could not, or would not, speak.  But, she kept blowing me off, "We'll give him a little extra time.  Boys acquire language later than girls."  I got tired of that BS because I KNEW something was wrong with his understanding and at 32 months took him for my own evaluations.  It was determined that he COULD hear, though it was difficult to assess as he was quite uncooperative.  I was told he had a "language processing delay".  I placed him in special education pre-school where he received speech therapy, occupational therapy, and physical therapy.
 
When it was time for kindergarten, I BEGGED for him to remain in pre-school because he STILL hadn't caught on to potty-training, even though his 3 year old sister had.  The school administration felt it was better to keep him moving on, since the pre-school program took him as far as he could go and they didn't want him to get bored.  I worked and worked and worked with him all summer to the point of his frustration and mine, and still got no where with potty training (we even went to a pediatric behavioral neurologist for help).  So, he went into kindergarten untrained, and we had to work around chronic bathroom accidents.  Only when he finished kindergarten did it finally "click" with him.  Then we held a BIG celebration at Chuck E Cheese with gifts and friends and balloons and the works!  He was FINALLY potty trained after 2.5 years of frustration!
 
Again, I fought his placement in 1st grade, since kindergarten required SO MUCH extra help for him, hoping that one more year in kindergarten would help build a firmer foundation for his future education.  Again, everyone involved in his education felt that he would be bored if we held him back since he already demonstrated that he knew the information, he just processed it much more slowly than his peers.  He was then dx'ed with a "global processing delay".
 
First grade was "HELL year".  He had multiple emotional meltdowns daily.  The day was too long for him.  Too much information was presented in a day.  I fought for him to be returned to kindergarten.  Instead, they assigned him to a new school with a more extensive special ed program.  In that program, at a much slower pace, he THRIVED.  No more meltdowns.  But, he is not "typical".  He still says crazy, outrageous things that are no longer "age appropriate", like "I haven't seen that in 48 years!"  Well, we all know that's IMPOSSIBLE, he's only 10.  Even though other kids his age have learned the value of time and can assess that "48 years" is not appropriate, he can't.  He inserts RANDOM crazy facts into sentences.
 
When I take him to buy ballet shoes, I tell the sales associate to fit him as she would any other dancer, but ignore what he says, because he says random, crazy, inappropriate things to the sales clerk and confuse the issue.  He does not communicate clearly and says random things off the top of his head.  One of our last purchases was excruciating.  I finally asked the clerk, "Do YOU think they fit?"  Yes, she said.  "Do they fit the way the instructor EXPECTS them to fit?"  Yes, she said.  "Then it doesn't matter what he says.  He's just spewing random information."  Here my son is trying to tell her random things about his OLD pair of shoes not fitting right, but she thinks he's talking about the current ones he's trying on and doing back-flips to try to find a pair that fit according to his "wishes".
 
My son cannot process more than 2 steps of information.  "First, sit at your desk.  Then take out your math book."  Not, "Class, please return to your desks and turn to page 128 in your math book.  Do all the odd problems numbered 1-15."  You lost him at "return to your desk"!  All questions and commands HAVE to be restructured in simple form for him.
 
One time, when my son was 4, he approached me at the WIC office.  He tossed out a couple of disjointed words that I concluded meant that he wanted to know what the boy's name was who was playing at the Lego table with him.  The social worker says, "I'm sure he will tell you his name if you just go back and ask him.  Go ahead, he'll tell you."  My son stood dumbfounded staring at the social worker.  "Go on!" she said.  I smiled at her and politely said, "He doesn't understand you."  "Sure he does!" she insisted.  "No.  He doesn't.  You used too many words and spoke them out of order.  He can't process what you said."  Instead, I looked him in the eye and said "Honey, go shake his hand."  He smiled and ran out of the office to shake the boy's hand.  We had made a game of handshakes.  I taught him months before to extend his hand and say, "Pleased to meet you!  What's your name?"  He found out the boy's name.
 
So, you floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of "low IQ"?  Very well.  But, it was obvious at a "young age" that you surpassed your brother's IQ and skill in science.  Well, it is pretty obvious to me that my son will struggle for the rest of his life to keep pace with his peers.  That's not a "pigeon hole", it is the truth, because the MOMENT *I* forget that he can only process 2 steps of information, I'VE "lost" him.  THANKFULLY, that child has a good work ethic and works DILIGENTLY at the tasks put before him, because he has a LONG, HARD row to hoe.
 
Bully for you that you survived your ordeals with your precious 168 intact.  What a BLESSING!!!!  Some kids, however, don't.
 
Get a clue!
~Mary
 
BTW, learn how to use plurals and apostrophes.  It's really not that difficult.  I would think that a guy with such a high IQ, that likes to throw around 25 letter words, would prefer that people actually think he was educated.




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From: disdiaperboy@...
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:25:27 -0400
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Apparently I am my families "Low IQ child" odd since I surpassed my brother's in IQ and science skill at a young age (almost rather good at math). I was born a blue baby because I was "dead" in-utero. My difficulties lied in the speech and reading area (I had a large vocabulary but needed translation when I got too excited), and my reading level was always greatly above my grade level but I was stubborn and hated reading books below my reading level.
 
I floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of the "low IQ" or that a person can not break from what they have been labeled.
 
My parents were told I would never walk or talk or have a mentality greater then 14 months. My parents were told 3 different times that I was going to die (birth, 1 week old w/ meningitis, and when I fell asleep on a boogie board and floated out to sea in the Atlantic).
 
I am currently a nurse practioner student with a 168 IQ. I have a 2.9-3.1 GPA (which I admit is because I am very lazy).
 
Please do not pigeon hole people
 
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RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site
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Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary




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From: jameswilson8546701@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:30:10 -0700
Subject: RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site


Hi Mary. I to wet my bed till a late age.I was 14 We didn,t have pullups back then. I had to wear regular diapers and plastic pants. That was rough at times But I lived through it.I had a accident at age 33 and had a bad back injury.Leaveing me with nerve damage after the sugery.This caused me to restart my bedwetting again Belive me I wanted to die.But I went back to the diapers.Thats been the best thing for me to do. Still rough at times.I,m ok during the day I just can,t fall asleep anywhere. I know there,s lots of people out there that are werse off than me.But as kids go it,s more common now that when I was a kid. Guess thats why there makeing the pullup,s in larger sizes. I,ve never replyed to anyone here But I always read whats here. I hope your haveing a GREAT Summer  Jim


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#2435 From: EDWARD F SPOLIDORO <durango2@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:43 pm
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During my last physical my doctor discovered that my prostate had
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Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:37 pm
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enlarged prostates are common in us men as we grow older. and they are a mojor contributor to men haveing incontinence or leakage. my enlarged proste certainly has given me urge incontinence, the sudden feeling of having to go and worrying if you can makeit. my doctor prescribed flomax . this is a drug that does shrink the proste and does give some relief. now on godd days i can go 4 hours between tips to the bathroom and not really worry about not making it. at night i can actually get thru the entire nite insted of 3 to 4 visits . but all drugs have some sort of side effects so this is something you should talk about with your doctor. there are other prescription drugs out there that are also used . good lick

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Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 12:58 AM

During my last physical my doctor discovered that my prostate had
enlarged. Any one else in this site have an enlarged prostate? I am
interested to know what I am in store for.
Gerald



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Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:28 am
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I also have an enlarged prostate and have been monitoring my PSA for years and it was recently elevated and after a prostate biopsy it was confirmed I have prostate cancer, it runs in my family. I am scheduled for a radical prostectomy on July 30. The procedure is the surgical removal of the prostate. I am hoping the surgery will get all the cancer and it has not spread. The options are the implant seeds followed by 6 week of radiation therapy, the radical prostectomy or wait and see. The prostate can be enlarged for other reason other than cancer and the only way to tell if the organ has cancer is with a biopsy. If I were you I'd see a urologist for a prompt diagnosis. Prostate cancer can be treated and cured if caught early enough.
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#2432 From: "Gerald" <fognett@...>
Date: Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:58 am
Subject: Enlarged Prostate
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During my last physical my doctor discovered that my prostate had
enlarged.  Any one else in this site have an enlarged prostate?   I am
interested to know what I am in store for.
    Gerald

#2431 From: <babyvamp@...>
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: Mary and her 10 year old son
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Hello Mary,
 
  If you can try to contact a pediatric urologist to take your son to, I have been to many adult and sometimes they are no where near as gentle as they should be about our physical or mental anguish over these problems we all share.
Take care,
Jack Kramer
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Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4! th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary



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#2430 From: "????" <disdiaperboy@...>
Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:25 am
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Apparently I am my families "Low IQ child" odd since I surpassed my brother's in IQ and science skill at a young age (almost rather good at math). I was born a blue baby because I was "dead" in-utero. My difficulties lied in the speech and reading area (I had a large vocabulary but needed translation when I got too excited), and my reading level was always greatly above my grade level but I was stubborn and hated reading books below my reading level.
 
I floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of the "low IQ" or that a person can not break from what they have been labeled.
 
My parents were told I would never walk or talk or have a mentality greater then 14 months. My parents were told 3 different times that I was going to die (birth, 1 week old w/ meningitis, and when I fell asleep on a boogie board and floated out to sea in the Atlantic).
 
I am currently a nurse practioner student with a 168 IQ. I have a 2.9-3.1 GPA (which I admit is because I am very lazy).
 
Please do not pigeon hole people
 
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RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site
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Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary




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From: jameswilson8546701@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:30:10 -0700
Subject: RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site


Hi Mary. I to wet my bed till a late age.I was 14 We didn,t have pullups back then. I had to wear regular diapers and plastic pants. That was rough at times But I lived through it.I had a accident at age 33 and had a bad back injury.Leaveing me with nerve damage after the sugery.This caused me to restart my bedwetting again Belive me I wanted to die.But I went back to the diapers.Thats been the best thing for me to do. Still rough at times.I,m ok during the day I just can,t fall asleep anywhere. I know there,s lots of people out there that are werse off than me.But as kids go it,s more common now that when I was a kid. Guess thats why there makeing the pullup,s in larger sizes. I,ve never replyed to anyone here But I always read whats here. I hope your haveing a GREAT Summer  Jim


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#2429 From: Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...>
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Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary




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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:30:10 -0700
Subject: RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site


Hi Mary. I to wet my bed till a late age.I was 14 We didn,t have pullups back then. I had to wear regular diapers and plastic pants. That was rough at times But I lived through it.I had a accident at age 33 and had a bad back injury.Leaveing me with nerve damage after the sugery.This caused me to restart my bedwetting again Belive me I wanted to die.But I went back to the diapers.Thats been the best thing for me to do. Still rough at times.I,m ok during the day I just can,t fall asleep anywhere. I know there,s lots of people out there that are werse off than me.But as kids go it,s more common now that when I was a kid. Guess thats why there makeing the pullup,s in larger sizes. I,ve never replyed to anyone here But I always read whats here. I hope your haveing a GREAT Summer  Jim


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#2428 From: Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:09 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Conditioned response
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Though other things can trigger my incontinence (running water and extreme temperature changes/catching a chill, etc.), the one that frustrates me the most is the stupid key and door lock thing!  I don't have trouble with putting a key in the car ignition, or a key in a padlock (unless it is blocking my way to a bathroom!), but the key in the door lock is a kicker!  Instant water balloon drop!  AAAAHHHH!!!!
 
I did finally get my Detrol LA Rx refilled Monday afternoon.  THANK GOD!!!  I've finally quit wearing a path to the bathroom for the "2 oz tinkle".  Amazingly, I was actually able to walk my daughter to the store restroom yesterday WITHOUT throwing her out of the way and capturing the prize toilet first!  Instead of a full-fledged "rain dance", I was able to wait her out with a slight sway.  She even had to do #2 and I wasn't in torment waiting and wetting.  What an AMAZING difference!  Makes me wonder why I quit taking it.  ...but I always do.  In about 3 months, I'll be doing so well that I'll forget to refill the script and go 6, or so, months till this gets overwhelming again.

~Mary




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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:16:23 +0000
Subject: [Incont] Re: Conditioned response


Hi was reading the posts on conditioned wetting yes that is real it
has happened to me on the way homeafter coffee with friends just use
restroom before leaving but still have a wetting before I could reach
the toilet.One other time was at gas station due to gas flowing had
another accident.




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#2427 From: "ron" <ronandsuemorrison@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 5:16 pm
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Hi was reading the posts on conditioned wetting yes that is real it
has happened to me on the way homeafter coffee with friends just use
restroom before leaving but still have a wetting before I could reach
the toilet.One other time was at gas station due to gas flowing had
another accident.

#2426 From: "Wulf" <teslaks@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 2:55 pm
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--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald" <fognett@...> wrote:
>
> seems from what I have read so far on this site that they will not
> work as one would hope.  Any one have anything positive to say about
> them?   I was hoping that a McGuire would be a good choice.  As it can

   As with almost every other product in every possible catagory, it's
a matter of trial and error, finding out what works for you.  Just
becuase a McGuire doesn't work for some people, does not mean that it
won't work for you.  I do know people who use them successfully.  The
big problem I've heard of with McGuire's and other externals is in the
adhesive (which people have found ways around), and kinks in the line
to the bag, which can cause major leaks.  Other problems are things
like bags bursting, valves failing, and hoses coming loose.  They seem
to be better used by people who are less active, and/or in a
wheelchair (that is, not walking, jogging, biking, etc).


> be worn alone or connected to a leg bag.  I am needing to find
> something that I could use when going into a swimming pool and I
> thought this may be the one.   I welcome any comments and advice.

   Summertime.  Swimming pools, home made ice cream, fireworks,
watermelon, and... diapers? external caths?  Nothing?
   It's a tough call, and one that realisticly, only you can make.  If
you're going to be lounging around the pool for a few hours, I would
suggest timed voiding.  Make an intentional effort to go every X
minutes (15, 30, 60, whatever works to keep you from having accidents)
and don't worry too much about the dribbling.
   I would strongly caution you NOT to wear a diaper or pad IN the
pool.  The people who maintain the pool filters won't be very happy
with you when they find fluff and gel clogging their pumps and
filters.  Yes, there are swim diapers you can buy, but they do very
little for urine containment.  They're made specificly for bowel
accidents.  However, they should work to contain dribbles and very
small accidents.
   The reality is that a properly maintained pool is more than capable
of dealing with urine.  You won't be the only source, either.  Kids,
other adults, animals, it come's from everywhere, and the chemicals
and filter systems in swimming pools are designed to be able to handle
it.  And don't worry about there being any "magic chemical" that makes
a bright red cloud around anyone peeing in the pool.  From a chemistry
standpoint, there are too many other things in the pool that would
cause the same reaction, and keeping it localized to the "offender"
would be very difficult.

   On the matter of swim diapers, there are a lot of places to find
them.  Gabby's (http://www.gabbys.net) has a good reuptation and
offers two different styles. AdultClothDiaper.com appears to carry the
Gabby PoolPant and pull-on swim diaper as well.  MyPoolPal also offers
swim diapers, as does Ur-in-Control (http://www.urincontrol.com).
   Discovery Trekking ( http://www.discoverytrekking.ca/ ) advertises
the only swim diaper made for urine.  They are more expensive than
others, and as with Gabby's, they're located in Canada so shipping may
be a bit higher.  Also, if you do opt for a swim diaper, keep in mind
that you can always wear regular swim trunks over it for concealment.

   Best wishes,
--Wulf

#2425 From: "formerboomer" <boomer2480@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 4:16 am
Subject: Re: Conditioned response
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What your experiencing is a text book description of urge inco. It's
not just you, all people with urge inco react to stimuli exactly as
you have described especially the front door part.--- In
Incont@yahoogroups.com, Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...> wrote:
>
> Since I REALLY need help with this, has ANYone ELSE dealt
with "conditioned response"?  Anyone else feel like "Pavlov's
Bladder"? Though I'm certain I have OAB (which Detrol does help with
WHEN I take it), and mild stress incontinence, what I REALLY suffer
from is a conditioned response to void my bladder when presented with
certain stimuli.  I don't know why this happens, and maybe it is just
me.  It is CRAZY!  ...and it DRIVES me CRAZY!  Does this happen to
anyone else?  Or is this just me?
>
> Obviously, if a response is "conditioned", it can certainly
be "UNconditioned", can't it???  Anyone else have success with this,
or at least any suggestions?
>
> The MOMENT I walk thru my front door, I am RUNNING for the
bathroom.  The MOMENT my house key touches the door lock, I void my
bladder.  I make everyone ELSE in my family unlock the door so that I
have a CHANCE to get to the restroom first before my bladder starts
voiding.  If I walk into a public restroom, I'm beating my 8 year old
to the toilet and I force HER to wait!
>
> When I was a teen/young adult, out with friends, I'd be fine until
I walked into a restroom, then I was trying to beat everyone out of
the way.  When I'd arrive home at night, I'd wet my pants at the
front door regardless of how often I used the restroom that night.  I
resorted to hiding in a bush beside our driveway to pee so that I'd
stop wetting my pants at the front door!
>
> My husband and I do a lot of volunteer work, and a couple weeks ago
we volunteered for a youth festival -- took the family -- and camped
for a week.  Obviously, since we were camping very primitively in a
park with make-shift facilities, we had to use porta-pots all week --
not my fav, but they will do.
>
> I was having a particularly bad week with wetting problems anyway
and resorted to wearing feminine pads because of leakage.  (I have
yet to purchase urinary products since I'm STILL denying this and
trying to be "normal".)  I had bad urges all week and walked to the
johns much too often just to tinkle out a couple of ounces of urine.
The worse part, however, was not the constant walk to the johns, but
the fact that the MOMENT I stepped into one, I was dancing a jig!  I
couldn't get out of my pants FAST ENOUGH!  Because I wear my t-shirts
a little oversized anyway, I began unbuttoning, and partially
unzipping, my pants on the walk to the porta-pots in hopes that I'd
have less accidents.  STILL this didn't help.  The sight of the
toilet starts my bladder going.
>
> What was particularly frustrating was the inability for switch
toilets once I was there.  Once I chose a "stall" that was the one I
was stuck with -- regardless of its condition.  People that "hover"
and sprinkle all over the seats have ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD for those
of us with no bladder control!  Because of my shortness of stature
coupled with previous knee injuries, I CAN'T "hover", I have to lay
out the "magic V" of toilet paper and have a seat.  Well, some of
these stalls were left in DEPLORABLE shape by the previous occupant
which left me "doing the rain dance" while desperately cleaning
toilet seats with "lacey" TP the consistency of onion skin and
several pumps of Purell!  All the while, leaking, leaking,
leaking...  I had even walked into the same stall that I had been
previously cleaned to find the seat smeared with diarrhea by another
obvious "hoverer" and I soaked my pad (and my pants!) trying to
stumble out of the stall to find another clean one!  GRRRRRR!!!
>
> Does anyone else deal with response to sight, sound, temperature
changes, and the like, that causes them to void their bladder
immediately?  Has anyone found a way to help ease this?  Or CHANGE
this behavior?
>
> Looking forward to your responses.
> Thanks!
> Mary
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Date: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:38 pm
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I'm having surgery for prostate cancer the end of this month and my doctor told me I'll have to wear a catheter and a leg bag for two weeks after the surgery. I personally don't like catheters or LEG BAGS and told the urologist I want it removed ASAP. After the incision heals I could be incontinent for a year or maybe for ever so I have come to the conclusion that I'll wear a disposable diaper. I'd take a diaper any day over a catheter and leg bag. Besides catheters are dangerous as you can get a bad UTI from them which I did after my last surgery. As long as I can still hear the birds sing I'll wear diapers if needed and be thankful.


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#2423 From: "Gerald" <fognett@...>
Date: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:41 am
Subject: Needing advice
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Hello, I am new to this and glad I found it.   For several years now
I have been wearing male guards or pads for protection from drippage
and sudden urges which work very well.  However there  are some times
where I thought that a trade off and wearing a external catheter or
some type of collection device  would be to my advantage.  However it
seems from what I have read so far on this site that they will not
work as one would hope.  Any one have anything positive to say about
them?   I was hoping that a McGuire would be a good choice.  As it can
be worn alone or connected to a leg bag.  I am needing to find
something that I could use when going into a swimming pool and I
thought this may be the one.   I welcome any comments and advice.
    Gerald

#2422 From: Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...>
Date: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:40 pm
Subject: Conditioned response
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Since I REALLY need help with this, has ANYone ELSE dealt with "conditioned response"?  Anyone else feel like "Pavlov's Bladder"?
 
Though I'm certain I have OAB (which Detrol does help with WHEN I take it), and mild stress incontinence, what I REALLY suffer from is a conditioned response to void my bladder when presented with certain stimuli.  I don't know why this happens, and maybe it is just me.  It is CRAZY!  ...and it DRIVES me CRAZY!  Does this happen to anyone else?  Or is this just me?
 
Obviously, if a response is "conditioned", it can certainly be "UNconditioned", can't it???  Anyone else have success with this, or at least any suggestions?
 
The MOMENT I walk thru my front door, I am RUNNING for the bathroom.  The MOMENT my house key touches the door lock, I void my bladder.  I make everyone ELSE in my family unlock the door so that I have a CHANCE to get to the restroom first before my bladder starts voiding.  If I walk into a public restroom, I'm beating my 8 year old to the toilet and I force HER to wait!
 
When I was a teen/young adult, out with friends, I'd be fine until I walked into a restroom, then I was trying to beat everyone out of the way.  When I'd arrive home at night, I'd wet my pants at the front door regardless of how often I used the restroom that night.  I resorted to hiding in a bush beside our driveway to pee so that I'd stop wetting my pants at the front door!
 
My husband and I do a lot of volunteer work, and a couple weeks ago we volunteered for a youth festival -- took the family -- and camped for a week.  Obviously, since we were camping very primitively in a park with make-shift facilities, we had to use porta-pots all week -- not my fav, but they will do.
 
I was having a particularly bad week with wetting problems anyway and resorted to wearing feminine pads because of leakage.  (I have yet to purchase urinary products since I'm STILL denying this and trying to be "normal".)  I had bad urges all week and walked to the johns much too often just to tinkle out a couple of ounces of urine.  The worse part, however, was not the constant walk to the johns, but the fact that the MOMENT I stepped into one, I was dancing a jig!  I couldn't get out of my pants FAST ENOUGH!  Because I wear my t-shirts a little oversized anyway, I began unbuttoning, and partially unzipping, my pants on the walk to the porta-pots in hopes that I'd have less accidents.  STILL this didn't help.  The sight of the toilet starts my bladder going.
 
What was particularly frustrating was the inability for switch toilets once I was there.  Once I chose a "stall" that was the one I was stuck with -- regardless of its condition.  People that "hover" and sprinkle all over the seats have ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD for those of us with no bladder control!  Because of my shortness of stature coupled with previous knee injuries, I CAN'T "hover", I have to lay out the "magic V" of toilet paper and have a seat.  Well, some of these stalls were left in DEPLORABLE shape by the previous occupant which left me "doing the rain dance" while desperately cleaning toilet seats with "lacey" TP the consistency of onion skin and several pumps of Purell!  All the while, leaking, leaking, leaking...  I had even walked into the same stall that I had been previously cleaned to find the seat smeared with diarrhea by another obvious "hoverer" and I soaked my pad (and my pants!) trying to stumble out of the stall to find another clean one!  GRRRRRR!!!
 
Does anyone else deal with response to sight, sound, temperature changes, and the like, that causes them to void their bladder immediately?  Has anyone found a way to help ease this?  Or CHANGE this behavior?
 
Looking forward to your responses.
Thanks!
Mary


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#2421 From: "Gerald" <fognett@...>
Date: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:53 am
Subject: Re: Male Pads
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--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "steve_hall5555" <steve_hall5555@...>
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> Are there any guys out there that wear pads? If so what kind I need
> some help choosing one.  My incontinence isnt bad enough for a
diaper.
> Thanks for your help!
>
   Hi Steve:
    I have been using pads for four years now.  I use Malegards or the
incontinence  pads that women use.   Depending upon the type of brief
you wear you will find that you may want to have both styles.  The
malegaurds are wider and give you more coverage and great in many
brief styles.   However you will more likely find that you can wear a
pad if you are wearing it in a jock or brief with a tight pouch.  In
the pads I use several brands and sizes.   Any questions feel free to
email me at fognett@....
   Gerald

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