How do you guys and gals combat summer's heat in relation to
incontinence wear? I've been trying to get away with not wearing
waterproof pants, but that's risky.

oh okay thanxs for the help

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rks49783@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "damien_ackroyd" <damien_ackroyd@>
> wrote:
> >
> > ive noticed for a while now and its starting to get worrying i know
> > its stupid but here it gose
> >
> > everytime i go to the toilet i take care of nauture and then finish
> > and shake off but as soon as i walk out the bathroom i dribble
> > afterwards im confused
> >
> > i know its not much
> >
> Damien,
>
> Your concern is not stupidity..rest assured.. i have the same issue..
> recently its progressed to more than dribbling.. it could be something
> known as postvoid residual dribbling..or it could be something
> worse..see a doctor.. don't wait out of embarassment.. please.. and
> dont think its nothing to bother him about..it is..if it bothers
> you..see a doctor.. no need to be embarrassed.. thats what a doctor is
> for..the bladder is just like any other part of the body.. it can go
> wrong.. if you have the same thing i do.. it could get worse..get it
> checked out soon!
>
> Rob
>

Well if it is really starting to worry you you should seek help from
your doctor never be embarrassed about going to him/her for that sort
of problem it could be nothing to worry about

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "damien_ackroyd" <damien_ackroyd@...>
wrote:
>
> ive noticed for a while now and its starting to get worrying i know
> its stupid but here it gose
>
> everytime i go to the toilet i take care of nauture and then finish
> and shake off but as soon as i walk out the bathroom i dribble
> afterwards im confused
>
> i know its not much
>
Damien,

Your concern is not stupidity..rest assured.. i have the same issue..
recently its progressed to more than dribbling.. it could be something
known as postvoid residual dribbling..or it could be something
worse..see a doctor.. don't wait out of embarassment.. please.. and
dont think its nothing to bother him about..it is..if it bothers
you..see a doctor.. no need to be embarrassed.. thats what a doctor is
for..the bladder is just like any other part of the body.. it can go
wrong.. if you have the same thing i do.. it could get worse..get it
checked out soon!

Rob

ive noticed for a while now and its starting to get worrying i know
its stupid but here it gose

everytime i go to the toilet i take care of nauture and then finish
and shake off but as soon as i walk out the bathroom i dribble
afterwards im confused

i know its not much

Are you guys sure you're talking about IQ scores?  All the IQs posted
sofar would have been classified as genius:

IQ Classification 	 IQ Score
Low IQ/Mentally Retarded  70 - 79
Dull Normal IQ 		 80 - 90
Normal IQ Score 	 91 - 110
Bright Normal IQ Score 	 111 - 120
Superior IQ Score 	 120 - 130
Genius IQ Scores 	 131 and Above

Bryon Triplett wrote:
> 168 IQ is pretty good.  Personally, I'm told I shouldn't be in school
> anymore.  I'm a RN at the age of 19 because of advanced placement, but
> can't find work because of my incontinence.  My IQ, not to toot my own
> horn, is 205 and it's got me farther in college classes because I was
> 'too smart' for the 101 classes.  As stated by the professors.
> Incontinence sucks, IQ is a fairly good way to judge on intellegence but
> it is a test.  I've never taken a test well.  I've got a current GPA of
> 3.39 because most of my class scores are tests.
>
> Ok, enough of smarts lol.  I have full incontinence (bladder and bowel)
> school is bad, highschool was worse, can't find a job, but I'm keeping
> my head up.  You do the same and don't let anything get you down.  Just
> remember, there is no set definition of normal, there is societial
> normal and only that.  Be yourself and don't let anyone or anything get
> you down :D.

Disdiaperboy

You do not say what the average in your family is, but if you are considered a
low IQ
person with an IQ of 168, I am quite surprised.

Mensa, the organization for people with exceptionally high IQ, has a an IQ
"demand" for
applying set to 132 (the Stanford-Binet test) or 148 (the Cattell test). Which
means that
with your IQ, you would certainly qualify as a member.

I therefore find it very strange that you are considered low IQ. Your IQ, if
measured by a
serious test, is among the top 0.5% of the population and would be considered to
be
"genius stuff". Thus, I would assume that you can easily have a career in
science or
something like that.

Anyway - you can definitely be proud of yourself - you belong among people like
Einstein
and others. And you are right - "strange" appearance, bad speech or whatever
should not
be mistaken with lack of intelligence - the famous scientist Stephen Hawking,
bound to a
wheelchair and who has to talk through a voice-machine, is said to have an IQ of
around
200.

All the best,
Espen

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "????" <disdiaperboy@...> wrote:
>
> Apparently I am my families "Low IQ child" odd since I surpassed my brother
> s in IQ and science skill at a young age (almost rather good at math). I was
> born a blue baby because I was "dead" in-utero. My difficulties lied in the
> speech and reading area (I had a large vocabulary but needed translation
> when I got too excited), and my reading level was always greatly above my
> grade level but I was stubborn and hated reading books below my reading
> level.
>
> I floccinaucinihipilificate the idea of the "low IQ" or that a person can
> not break from what they have been labeled.
>
> My parents were told I would never walk or talk or have a mentality greater
> then 14 months. My parents were told 3 different times that I was going to
> die (birth, 1 week old w/ meningitis, and when I fell asleep on a boogie
> board and floated out to sea in the Atlantic).
>
> I am currently a nurse practioner student with a 168 IQ. I have a 2.9-3.1
> GPA (which I admit is because I am very lazy).
>
> Please do not pigeon hole people
>
> -------Original Message-------

I've had bph or enlarged prostate for several yrs on cancer trial so
get psa checked yearly .9.The incontinence is the biggest problem with
it as the drugs cause side effects so will wait about surgery.

During my last physical my doctor discovered that my prostate had
enlarged.  Any one else in this site have an enlarged prostate?   I am
interested to know what I am in store for.
    Gerald

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwite Kontrarie

To: incont@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:02 AM

Subject: [Incont]

RE: [Incont] Hello I am new to this site

From: Kwite Kontrarie (kwitekontrarie@live.com)

Sent:

Sat 7/12/08 6:40 PM

To:

incont@yahoogroups.com

Hi Jim,
 
I'm sorry to hear about your back injury.  How frustrating to have such a regression as a result of it.
 
Yes, my brothers also wet their beds (back in the "dark ages"), and I remember my younger brother wearing diapers with plastic pants at night until he was 8 years old.  I believe my mother made diapers for him out of a white cotton blanket.  (I think...)  I really don't remember how my parents handled my older brother's nocturnal enuresis.  I just remember his bedroom having an odor and his mattress being pretty badly stained.  I know he was a teenager before he had nighttime control.  He was my mother's "low IQ" child.  There was apparently a problem at his birth which caused him learning difficulties (as least that was what I was told).  My mother believed, or at least led others to believe, that the cord might have been wrapped around his neck at birth causing brain injury and his resulting low IQ.  (Therefore, he had an "excusable" condition, according to my family.)
 
I also have my own "low IQ" child which is my son with nocturnal enuresis.  He is currently 10 year old and was born with severe congenital heart defects requiring 2 open-heart surgeries in infancy.  The first 2 years of his life were quite difficult with a revolving door of surgeries and ongoing doctor visits.  However, since that time, that child has been remarkably low-maintenance!  He is NEVER sick!  Unfortunately, though, those first couple of years caused some marked delays in his development.  By the time he was 3 years old he barely spoke a dozen words and most were not discernable to "outsiders" and required "translation".  (Even his younger sister, at 2 and 3 years old, used to "translate" his speech to others when he was 4 and 5.)  He has required extensive intervention with therapies and instruction.  He just completed 4! th grade with exceptional grades, but his curriculum is "modified" for his learning style.  He is NOT your typical 10 year old and his 8 year old sister will quickly surpass him in academics (they are at about the same level now).
 
This son was also very difficult to potty train and wasn't completely toilet trained until he was 5.5 years old and going into 1st grade.  So, I was not surprised by his bedwetting.  I still don't make much of an issue of it.  He just pulls on his pull-ups at night and tosses them out in the morning.  It is just part of life.  He has started becoming more and more self-conscious about it, though, and I think I will take him to a urologist to rule out a physical problem.  Two of my 3 kids are on a state program for kids with chronic illnesses (my oldest is Type 1 diabetic) and I just spoke with the county health nurse about my #2 son's bedwetting.  I told her that since he has turned 10, perhaps I'll look into finding a solution (if there is one), even though I know, in most cases, these things can correct themselves over time.  She suggested going straight for the urologist and checking for possible physical problems.  So, I guess that is our next step for him.  As for me, I'm back on my Detrol LA and doing much better.  It is so frustrating to always have to seek out a bathroom everywhere I go!
 
Good to hear from you, Jim.  Take care of yourself.
~Mary

.

Hi was reading the posts on conditioned wetting yes that is real it
has happened to me on the way homeafter coffee with friends just use
restroom before leaving but still have a wetting before I could reach
the toilet.One other time was at gas station due to gas flowing had
another accident.

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "Gerald" <fognett@...> wrote:
>
> seems from what I have read so far on this site that they will not
> work as one would hope.  Any one have anything positive to say about
> them?   I was hoping that a McGuire would be a good choice.  As it can

   As with almost every other product in every possible catagory, it's
a matter of trial and error, finding out what works for you.  Just
becuase a McGuire doesn't work for some people, does not mean that it
won't work for you.  I do know people who use them successfully.  The
big problem I've heard of with McGuire's and other externals is in the
adhesive (which people have found ways around), and kinks in the line
to the bag, which can cause major leaks.  Other problems are things
like bags bursting, valves failing, and hoses coming loose.  They seem
to be better used by people who are less active, and/or in a
wheelchair (that is, not walking, jogging, biking, etc).


> be worn alone or connected to a leg bag.  I am needing to find
> something that I could use when going into a swimming pool and I
> thought this may be the one.   I welcome any comments and advice.

   Summertime.  Swimming pools, home made ice cream, fireworks,
watermelon, and... diapers? external caths?  Nothing?
   It's a tough call, and one that realisticly, only you can make.  If
you're going to be lounging around the pool for a few hours, I would
suggest timed voiding.  Make an intentional effort to go every X
minutes (15, 30, 60, whatever works to keep you from having accidents)
and don't worry too much about the dribbling.
   I would strongly caution you NOT to wear a diaper or pad IN the
pool.  The people who maintain the pool filters won't be very happy
with you when they find fluff and gel clogging their pumps and
filters.  Yes, there are swim diapers you can buy, but they do very
little for urine containment.  They're made specificly for bowel
accidents.  However, they should work to contain dribbles and very
small accidents.
   The reality is that a properly maintained pool is more than capable
of dealing with urine.  You won't be the only source, either.  Kids,
other adults, animals, it come's from everywhere, and the chemicals
and filter systems in swimming pools are designed to be able to handle
it.  And don't worry about there being any "magic chemical" that makes
a bright red cloud around anyone peeing in the pool.  From a chemistry
standpoint, there are too many other things in the pool that would
cause the same reaction, and keeping it localized to the "offender"
would be very difficult.

   On the matter of swim diapers, there are a lot of places to find
them.  Gabby's (http://www.gabbys.net) has a good reuptation and
offers two different styles. AdultClothDiaper.com appears to carry the
Gabby PoolPant and pull-on swim diaper as well.  MyPoolPal also offers
swim diapers, as does Ur-in-Control (http://www.urincontrol.com).
   Discovery Trekking ( http://www.discoverytrekking.ca/ ) advertises
the only swim diaper made for urine.  They are more expensive than
others, and as with Gabby's, they're located in Canada so shipping may
be a bit higher.  Also, if you do opt for a swim diaper, keep in mind
that you can always wear regular swim trunks over it for concealment.

   Best wishes,
--Wulf

What your experiencing is a text book description of urge inco. It's
not just you, all people with urge inco react to stimuli exactly as
you have described especially the front door part.--- In
Incont@yahoogroups.com, Kwite Kontrarie <kwitekontrarie@...> wrote:
>
> Since I REALLY need help with this, has ANYone ELSE dealt
with "conditioned response"?  Anyone else feel like "Pavlov's
Bladder"? Though I'm certain I have OAB (which Detrol does help with
WHEN I take it), and mild stress incontinence, what I REALLY suffer
from is a conditioned response to void my bladder when presented with
certain stimuli.  I don't know why this happens, and maybe it is just
me.  It is CRAZY!  ...and it DRIVES me CRAZY!  Does this happen to
anyone else?  Or is this just me?
>
> Obviously, if a response is "conditioned", it can certainly
be "UNconditioned", can't it???  Anyone else have success with this,
or at least any suggestions?
>
> The MOMENT I walk thru my front door, I am RUNNING for the
bathroom.  The MOMENT my house key touches the door lock, I void my
bladder.  I make everyone ELSE in my family unlock the door so that I
have a CHANCE to get to the restroom first before my bladder starts
voiding.  If I walk into a public restroom, I'm beating my 8 year old
to the toilet and I force HER to wait!
>
> When I was a teen/young adult, out with friends, I'd be fine until
I walked into a restroom, then I was trying to beat everyone out of
the way.  When I'd arrive home at night, I'd wet my pants at the
front door regardless of how often I used the restroom that night.  I
resorted to hiding in a bush beside our driveway to pee so that I'd
stop wetting my pants at the front door!
>
> My husband and I do a lot of volunteer work, and a couple weeks ago
we volunteered for a youth festival -- took the family -- and camped
for a week.  Obviously, since we were camping very primitively in a
park with make-shift facilities, we had to use porta-pots all week --
not my fav, but they will do.
>
> I was having a particularly bad week with wetting problems anyway
and resorted to wearing feminine pads because of leakage.  (I have
yet to purchase urinary products since I'm STILL denying this and
trying to be "normal".)  I had bad urges all week and walked to the
johns much too often just to tinkle out a couple of ounces of urine.
The worse part, however, was not the constant walk to the johns, but
the fact that the MOMENT I stepped into one, I was dancing a jig!  I
couldn't get out of my pants FAST ENOUGH!  Because I wear my t-shirts
a little oversized anyway, I began unbuttoning, and partially
unzipping, my pants on the walk to the porta-pots in hopes that I'd
have less accidents.  STILL this didn't help.  The sight of the
toilet starts my bladder going.
>
> What was particularly frustrating was the inability for switch
toilets once I was there.  Once I chose a "stall" that was the one I
was stuck with -- regardless of its condition.  People that "hover"
and sprinkle all over the seats have ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD for those
of us with no bladder control!  Because of my shortness of stature
coupled with previous knee injuries, I CAN'T "hover", I have to lay
out the "magic V" of toilet paper and have a seat.  Well, some of
these stalls were left in DEPLORABLE shape by the previous occupant
which left me "doing the rain dance" while desperately cleaning
toilet seats with "lacey" TP the consistency of onion skin and
several pumps of Purell!  All the while, leaking, leaking,
leaking...  I had even walked into the same stall that I had been
previously cleaned to find the seat smeared with diarrhea by another
obvious "hoverer" and I soaked my pad (and my pants!) trying to
stumble out of the stall to find another clean one!  GRRRRRR!!!
>
> Does anyone else deal with response to sight, sound, temperature
changes, and the like, that causes them to void their bladder
immediately?  Has anyone found a way to help ease this?  Or CHANGE
this behavior?
>
> Looking forward to your responses.
> Thanks!
> Mary
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Hello, I am new to this and glad I found it.   For several years now
I have been wearing male guards or pads for protection from drippage
and sudden urges which work very well.  However there  are some times
where I thought that a trade off and wearing a external catheter or
some type of collection device  would be to my advantage.  However it
seems from what I have read so far on this site that they will not
work as one would hope.  Any one have anything positive to say about
them?   I was hoping that a McGuire would be a good choice.  As it can
be worn alone or connected to a leg bag.  I am needing to find
something that I could use when going into a swimming pool and I
thought this may be the one.   I welcome any comments and advice.
    Gerald

--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "steve_hall5555" <steve_hall5555@...>
wrote:
>
> Are there any guys out there that wear pads? If so what kind I need
> some help choosing one.  My incontinence isnt bad enough for a
diaper.
> Thanks for your help!
>
   Hi Steve:
    I have been using pads for four years now.  I use Malegards or the
incontinence  pads that women use.   Depending upon the type of brief
you wear you will find that you may want to have both styles.  The
malegaurds are wider and give you more coverage and great in many
brief styles.   However you will more likely find that you can wear a
pad if you are wearing it in a jock or brief with a tight pouch.  In
the pads I use several brands and sizes.   Any questions feel free to
email me at fognett@....
   Gerald