Hello, I read your message about cloth like diapers and allways
assumed that the US leads the way in diaper manufacturing both baby
and adult sizes. In the UK we only have plastic backed adult diapers
with the exception of the Tena flex, and apart from a very select few
work exceptionaly well.I think in time us Brits and Europeans are in
for a big suprise.What we should all realise is that we are many they
(the manufacturers are few. We pay all of their wages and assist in
making their companies grow. Unfortnatly us the ones that stand up
and fight and fewer and without the saftey in numbers were all doomed
with what we get.

Steve--- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, "wetknight_1999"
<wetknight_1999@...> wrote:
>
> Excellent idea, perhaps we should all get together since there seams
> to be at least 4121 members in this group alone and organize a
calling
> and email campaign and flood these manufactures with phone calls and
> emails and letters all in the same day and tell them that we are
> disgusted with the cloth backed, paper towel thin diapers that they
> are selling to us and ask why they insist on making a much better
> absorbent and better quality diaper for our European neighbors. and
> then do it over to each and every manufacture every day until we run
> out of manufacturers and then start over from the beginning.
Otherwise
> by not doing this perhaps they feel that we are OK with the crappy
> products they are selling to us. I realize that not all would like
to
> switch back, but I for one think that there are a more then a
majority
> that feel the same as I do. But from my own experiences with these
> cloth backed diapers are that once you put the diaper on, the Velcro
> tape will fail, usually it breaks off, some but not all the new
cloth
> backed diapers have the new stretchy sides much like the baby
diaper,
> but I have had those to fail as well. and by using tape which I have
> always done with the plastic backed diaper, then the diaper becomes
> heavy and it losses its stretchiness and if you ain't wearing a
onesie
> or another means to hold it up. it WILL FALL OFF!
> OK I'm tired and really should be in bed but I wanted to add my
> thoughts to this problem. And not to say anything bad to those who
do
> like the cloth backed diapers, but have you ever thought about
wearing
> cloth diapers and plastic pants? I for one would like to wear cloth
> but my large frame and lack of a rear-end wont let me wear cloth.
this
> is why I wear the plastic backed diapers because I can get them as
> tight as I want and using tape as an extra aid it seams to have a
100%
> success rate. it least for me it works.
>
>
> --- In Incont@yahoogroups.com, suzee555@ wrote:
> >
> > Please notice on the back of diaper packages there are 800
telephone
> number a
> > person can call......perhaps a good place to start. I don't like
> the cloth
> > either.
> > suzee
> >
> > > BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > Someone who thinks exactly the way I do. The question is........
> > > What are we going to do about it? If we dont do anything,
> eventually there
> > > will be no more plastic diapers.
> > > I hate clothlike diapers.......they are everything you said they
> are Kristan.
> > > The US has issues with diapers in general....look at baby
diapers.
> They are
> > > getting thinner and thinner and now they are hard to find in
> plastic. The
> > > proplem is that the makers of adult diapers are following the
> trends of the baby
> > > diapers and they disreguard our needs in the process.
> > > We need to stand up and fight.....but where to begin is the
> question. I will
> > > fight the big fight but I cant do it alone.
> > > Any suggestions on how to change whats happening?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > kittencomputergoddess <KristinaII@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Here is the research on the newer products from experience
and
> simple
> > >> logic:
> > >>
> > >> 1. Comfortable - They are in fact much less comfortable for
anyone
> > >> more active than the typical couch potatoe in the US. First,
the air
> > >> pockets in the material do NOT allow for heat transfer, it is
the
> same
> > >> effect as wearing a sweater. Thus sweat production increases
> adding to
> > >> the already acidic nature of urine. Also the rougher fibers
increase
> > >> friction, again for anyone more active than the typical couch
> potatoe.
> > >> This makes it very uncomfortable and even dangerous as the
> friction on
> > >> the inner thigh from even walking starts to scrub away skin
layers.
> > >>
> > >> 2. Water Proof - This is just a stupid claim. Luckily in the
US most
> > >> claims which can effect the safety of the product are illegal.
There
> > >> are two things people forget, the sad fact is that they learn
them in
> > >> High School Chemistry. Acidic and water molecules can fit
through any
> > >> hole which air molecules can. Hydrogen is smaller and fits
through
> > >> holes which Oxygen can, and water is two Hydrogen and one
Oxygen, the
> > >> Hydrogen is not connected thus it is a chain allowing one atom
> through
> > >> at a time. Thus the water in the urine is easily passed
through the
> > >> 'breathable' layer and directly to the skin of the inner thigh.
> > >>
> > >> 3. Discreet - No one notices the 'plasticy' sound, however
everyone
> > >> who wears the clothlike ones smell like they pissed themselves
> all the
> > >> time. The plastic backing holds in the odor and slows the
conversion
> > >> of urine into amonia. Also for those who have fecal
incontinence they
> > >> smell horrid. If sitting the fecal matter is actually pushed
through
> > >> the clothlike covers. This prevents any social interraction
forcing
> > >> one to become reclussive. Just because you 'normal' people
don't want
> > >> to know about us who have incontinence does not make this
right, in
> > >> reality this makes you purely evil and oppressive.
> > >>
> > >> 4. Safe - Because of the first two myths combined these
products open
> > >> up the skin layers on the inner thigh to infection, serious
> infection.
> > >> Add in fecal matter for some of us and it's a deadly infection
that
> > >> can occure. This makes the product unsafe.
> > >>
> > >> 5. Better For the Environment - Of course the most important
issue,
> > >> however so few people understand why diapers have been bad. The
> > >> plastic backing biodegrades faster than the padding, the
padding is
> > >> the problem not the backing. The change to clothlike does not
> decrease
> > >> the negative impact on the environment, on the contrary it
increases
> > >> it. Many who are capable of using these without problems only
require
> > >> a pad, which has less than 20% of the padding of briefs. The
only way
> > >> to reduce the negative impact is to create padding material
that
> > >> biodegrades at least as quickly as the plastic.
> > >>
> > >> People need to stop forcing their ideas on others, the european
> brands
> > >> are expensive because of shipping but their quality is 100
times
> > >> better than that of the US brands now.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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