I never saw that ad. I heard his vitamins never made it to the stores.
Do you have the ad? I'm interested in reading it.

Two days ago I received the following mail in my inbox:

"Dear Hormonal Fitness Subscriber,

Consider giving a gift that will last a lifetime.

Buy any Rob Faigin product valued over $30 before December 20, 2008
and get a free copy of Hormonally Intelligent Exercise. While supplies
last.

Happy Holidays

Online USA, POB 2428, Brevard, NC 28712 USA "

Sounds like a good deal, but since I don't trust Olusa anymore I'm not
ordering anything from them. I ordered "the permanent fat loss diet
plan" a long time ago (may 2008) and haven't received it yet. I even
mailed them about it and attached the order confirmation. Kjell told
me he would look in to it, but he never wrote anything more so I guess
he never did.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
<aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Has ayone tried the idea`s rob talked about in the ad he produced for
> his vitmin line?.
>

Hi,
Has ayone tried the idea`s rob talked about in the ad he produced for
his vitmin line?.

That's interesting. I've cited it before but I'll do it again. In the
Ask Rob section he writes this as an answer:

"The lower limit of carbs per downcycle day on the general eating plan
is 30. Will eating less carbs than this each day negatively affect
optimal fat loss?

I don't recommend this practice because it negatively affects: 1)
muscle glycogen levels 2) thermogenesis 3) adequate consumption of
antioxidant-rich, cancer-protective fruits and vegetables."

I*m pretty dissapointed in Olusa. I ordered "the permanent fat loss
diet plan" in may and haven't received it yet.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "gvanpolanen"
<guyvan_polanen@...> wrote:
>
> I've read his newest book for a second time (permanent fat loss diet
> plan) i discoverd something new.
>
> On the general eating plan he now advises to eat not more than 30
> gram of active carbs on the down cyle, in the past he advised not
> more than 60 grams of active carbs on the downcyle.
>
> probable he received emails from other or his own experience that he
> had better result in fat loss when the carbs were restricted to 30
> grams.
>
> if  you have this book! go to page 13 and read it.
>
>
> personally i think it's ridiculous that there's no update about this
> on his website because it's very inmportant for NHE users. also these
> day his site looks really amateuristic if he really want to sell some
> more products then there must come a  MAJOR UPDATE for extique and
> Olusa both sites are really dated, and most links don't work anymore.
>
>
> I'm really dissaponted in Rob Faigin.
>
>
> greetings.
>

I've read his newest book for a second time (permanent fat loss diet
plan) i discoverd something new.

On the general eating plan he now advises to eat not more than 30
gram of active carbs on the down cyle, in the past he advised not
more than 60 grams of active carbs on the downcyle.

probable he received emails from other or his own experience that he
had better result in fat loss when the carbs were restricted to 30
grams.

if  you have this book! go to page 13 and read it.


personally i think it's ridiculous that there's no update about this
on his website because it's very inmportant for NHE users. also these
day his site looks really amateuristic if he really want to sell some
more products then there must come a  MAJOR UPDATE for extique and
Olusa both sites are really dated, and most links don't work anymore.


I'm really dissaponted in Rob Faigin.


greetings.

Hi All, I am just conducting a survey on squats do  you do them 2-3
times per month. And if so do you do the full squat like robs says?.
How much do you squat with when doing your squats. Thanks

Still waiting for an answer Alex. You have the books don't you? Just
give me any figures :)

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> Yes but how much higher? I want numbers, not just "higher". Or does
> Jay just say "stay low, stay high"??? What numbers for carbs does he
> state in the book you've read?
>
> Checked out the site you mentioned. He has some impressive exercises
> and smart ways of doing them without buying expensive machines or
> devices. Functional strength rocks.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
> <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know they are higher but his book has been revised now that we are
> > in 2008 the first book i read from him was in 2000. All in all i thin
> > rob faigans books are the best to bad he disapeared. Check out the
> > exercise guy I found he is powerful and he agrees with robs hie in
> > terms of training with weights and doing ballistic/ plyometric
> > exercise check out his site i listed it in another message saying
> > rose training.
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Alex!
> > >
> > > What carb-limits does Jay Robb state in his book?
> > > I had some problems ordering his book because they updated their
> > > mail-servers, but the support was excellent and now my book and a
> > jar
> > > of Stevia is on it's way to Sweden.
> > >
> > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
> > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Martin,
> > > > My real name is Alex. Jay book is based on carb cycling but is
> > less
> > > > strict then nhe, his bodybuilder plan is easier to follow. When
> > you
> > > > read his book you must remember that this book was written before
> > nhe
> > > > but the new version is updated of course. Also his book is not as
> > > > well written as nhe as nhe is not just about eating but life
> > style as
> > > > well.
> > > > -- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll let you know guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you
> > please
> > > > > enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
> > > > > little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please let me know, too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > let me know what you think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Martin <rockdude@>* wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion.
> > I'm
> > > > glad you
> > > > > > > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his
> > > > products.
> > > > > > > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices.
> > Hopefully I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /Martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb
> > fat
> > > > > burning
> > > > > > > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and
> > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > > tell
> > > > > > > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an
> > > > eating
> > > > > > > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often
> > but
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two
> > times
> > > > a week
> > > > > > > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books
> > so
> > > > for 5
> > > > > > > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you
> > would
> > > > need to
> > > > > > > > check out his site read his articles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you
> > worked
> > > > > for Jay
> > > > > > > > Robb.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice
> > differs
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > > > > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to
> > the
> > > > board
> > > > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am
> > just
> > > > > > > > providing an
> > > > > > > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > > > > > > term "weight
> > > > > > > > > > loss"
> > > > > > > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin
> > <rockdude@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay?
> > > > Don't take
> > > > > > > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are
> > > > there any
> > > > > > > > vital
> > > > > > > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and
> > carbload?
> > > > > What's
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book
> > just
> > > > read one
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > diet.
> > > > > > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this
> > out
> > > > but has
> > > > > > > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but
> > when
> > > > it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas.
> > He
> > > > > also has
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Still waiting for an answer Alex. You have the books don't you? Just
give me any figures :)

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> Yes but how much higher? I want numbers, not just "higher". Or does
> Jay just say "stay low, stay high"??? What numbers for carbs does he
> state in the book you've read?
>
> Checked out the site you mentioned. He has some impressive exercises
> and smart ways of doing them without buying expensive machines or
> devices.  Functional strength rocks.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
> <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I know they are higher but his book has been revised now that we are
> > in 2008 the first book i read from him was in 2000. All in all i thin
> > rob faigans books are the best to bad he disapeared. Check out the
> > exercise guy I found he is powerful and he agrees with robs hie in
> > terms of training with weights and doing ballistic/ plyometric
> > exercise check out his site i listed it in another message saying
> > rose training.
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Alex!
> > >
> > > What carb-limits does Jay Robb state in his book?
> > > I had some problems ordering his book because they updated their
> > > mail-servers, but the support was excellent and now my book and a
> > jar
> > > of Stevia is on it's way to Sweden.
> > >
> > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
> > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Martin,
> > > > My real name is Alex. Jay book is based on carb cycling but is
> > less
> > > > strict then nhe, his bodybuilder plan is easier to follow. When
> > you
> > > > read his book you must remember that this book was written before
> > nhe
> > > > but the new version is updated of course. Also his book is not as
> > > > well written as nhe as nhe is not just about eating but life
> > style as
> > > > well.
> > > > -- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll let you know guys.
> > > > >
> > > > > aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you
> > please
> > > > > enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
> > > > > little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > please let me know, too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >   let me know what you think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Martin <rockdude@>* wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion.
> > I'm
> > > > glad you
> > > > > > > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his
> > > > products.
> > > > > > > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices.
> > Hopefully I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /Martin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb
> > fat
> > > > > burning
> > > > > > > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and
> > > > importance on
> > > > > > > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > > tell
> > > > > > > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an
> > > > eating
> > > > > > > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often
> > but
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two
> > times
> > > > a week
> > > > > > > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books
> > so
> > > > for 5
> > > > > > > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you
> > would
> > > > need to
> > > > > > > > check out his site read his articles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you
> > worked
> > > > > for Jay
> > > > > > > > Robb.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice
> > differs
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > > > > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to
> > the
> > > > board
> > > > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am
> > just
> > > > > > > > providing an
> > > > > > > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > > > > > > term "weight
> > > > > > > > > > loss"
> > > > > > > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin
> > <rockdude@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay?
> > > > Don't take
> > > > > > > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are
> > > > there any
> > > > > > > > vital
> > > > > > > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and
> > carbload?
> > > > > What's
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book
> > just
> > > > read one
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > diet.
> > > > > > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this
> > out
> > > > but has
> > > > > > > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but
> > when
> > > > it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas.
> > He
> > > > > also has
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Actually it was Alex who found it, but here it is :)

http://www.rosstraining.com/

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
> Couldn't find the link to that impressive rose guy you mentioned.
Could you
> give it again?
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 6/9/08, Martin <rockdude@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Yes, here's the link:
> > http://hormonalfitness.com/askrob/soy-and-cultured-milk-products.htm
> >
> > Scroll down a bit and you'll find it.
> >
> > /Martin
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks, Martin.
> > >
> > > Do you have a link? I haven't been able to find it on the ask rob
> > section.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Martin <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > > Dawrestla, In the Ask Rob section he answers a similar question:
> > > >
> > > > "The lower limit of carbs per downcycle day on the general
eating plan
> > > > is 30. Will eating less carbs than this each day negatively affect
> > > > optimal fat loss?
> > > >
> > > > I don't recommend this practice because it negatively affects: 1)
> > > > muscle glycogen levels 2) thermogenesis 3) adequate consumption of
> > > > antioxidant-rich, cancer-protective fruits and vegetables."
> > > >
> > > > The general eating plan is for optimal health though compared
to the
> > > > bodybuilding plan, so that's one cause to not go under 30
grams/day
> > > > too often.
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > > --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi again,
> > > >>
> > > >> The floor of carbohydrate intake is as low as possible during the
> > > > downcycle.
> > > >> Rob writes in HNE that bodybuilders, who often are more
dedicated to
> > > >> perfection, should aim as low as possible, maybe below 20 grams a
> > > > day like
> > > >> in the metabolic shift.
> > > >>
> > > >> Simon
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM, DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Simon,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > So far my fave flavor is Banana Creme. Add the Peanut Butter to
> > > > that and
> > > >> > it's tempting to have more than just one serving! For awhile I
> > > > was doing
> > > >> > non-flavored Whey Protein powder and those Crystal Light flavor
> > > > packs, but -
> > > >> > again, trial and error - I realized that the more I had of
those
> > > > non-caloric
> > > >> > sweeteners (including diet soda), the harder it was for me
to burn
> > > > fat.
> > > >> > Odd, considering they had no carbohydrates, but they're all
> > > > artificial, so I
> > > >> > guess I shouldn't be surpised. Right now, I only drink water. A
> > > > diet soda
> > > >> > is very rare, but I will have one occassionally. Unfortunately,
> > > > my 2 weeks
> > > >> > of active duty are coming up in July, and that means either eat
> > MREs
> > > >> > (jam-packed with carbs) or starve. This will destroy my eating
> > > > plan, and
> > > >> > I'll have to re-start afterwards, but it doesn't mean I can't
> > control
> > > >> > portions while eating them. Realistically, one MRE can last the
> > > > whole day,
> > > >> > instead of eating 1 for each meal. Anyway, I'll cross that
bridge
> > > > when I
> > > >> > get there.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I haven't read (but I plan to pruchase) HIE. I should note
that my
> > > >> > workouts during the week consist of the following: Mon/Tues and
> > > > Thurs/Fri I
> > > >> > run distance in the morning and lift weights in the afternoon
> > > > (chest&triceps
> > > >> > Mon/Thurs, back&biceps&legs Tues/Fri). Wednesday I do interval
> > > > running
> > > >> > training in the morning and evening, such as jumping rope or
> > playing
> > > >> > intramural soccer (lots of quick, short sprints). Saturdays I
> > > > work out once
> > > >> > a day, usually a distance run or bike ride. I would love to
do more
> > > >> > interval/sprint work as part of my training, but I have a
nagging
> > > > hamstring
> > > >> > from college football that needs to be "repaired" before I
can do
> > > > so. I'll
> > > >> > definitely try and add more as the Summer heats up.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I see your point about being MORE stringent than what Rob
> > > > advocates, and I
> > > >> > certainly need it during the induction phase (it's amazing the
> > > > progress I
> > > >> > can see from week to week as my lovehandles get smaller!). But
> > > > you know,
> > > >> > the one question I had that Rob doesn't answer in his book is,
> > > > when on the
> > > >> > macronutrient cycling he says to have 30-60 grams of carbs a
> > > > day...does he
> > > >> > use the number 30 as a floor and 60 as a ceiling? OR does he
> > use the
> > > >> > general range of 30-60 as a ceiling, and the floor can be
anywhere
> > > > from
> > > >> > 0-29?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Also, it's good to see the forum alive and well again.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> DaWrestla,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Sounds like a good protein shake.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise)
program?
> > > > Depending
> > > >> >> on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight
> > lifting
> > > >> >> workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less
intensity then
> > > > maybe it
> > > >> >> works for you to achieve your objectives.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift -
rather
> > > > don't
> > > >> >> you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind
that
> > > > people need
> > > >> >> a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate
> > from the
> > > >> >> principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course
> > probably
> > > >> >> struggle with being stringent enough...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Good luck!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Simon
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Awesome.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use
> > 100% Whey
> > > >> >>> protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending
on the
> > > > flavor; 0
> > > >> >>> grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all
> > > > natural peanut
> > > >> >>> putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein)
> > > > for a grand
> > > >> >>> total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of
> > > > carbs. I
> > > >> >>> tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little
bit made
> > > > completely
> > > >> >>> overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil
flavor,
> > > > so I
> > > >> >>> decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each
> > > > after my morning
> > > >> >>> (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about
> > 40lbs (in
> > > >> >>> addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the
> > > > afternoon 5x a
> > > >> >>> week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I
enlisted
> > > > in the Navy
> > > >> >>> (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor
food
> > > > quality, but
> > > >> >>> mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after
every meal
> > > > is a bad
> > > >> >>> idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the
> > > > NHE diet and
> > > >> >>> am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking
> > forward to
> > > >> >>> shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my
> > > > college football
> > > >> >>> days are over).
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's
brew",
> > > > but I
> > > >> >>> found through trial and error that I don't get the full
benefits
> > > > of the NHE
> > > >> >>> plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find
that
> > > > in only 1
> > > >> >>> week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any
thoughts?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> Certainly.
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>> This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins
> > > > A, B, E
> > > >> >>>>>> and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more
> > > > vitamin C though.
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >
> >
> >
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/\
1095&saleCatalogId=10051
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have
> > > > bought it
> > > >> >>>>>>> right away.
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice
> > > > supplement. Do
> > > >> >>>>>>> you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though
> > > > your taking
> > > >> >>>>>>> Solaray Spektro and eating according to
NHE-principles? Do
> > > > you use it
> > > >> >>>>>>> every day or just now and then?
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say
> > that I'm
> > > >> >>>>>>> tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive
though..but
> > > > you get
> > > >> >>>>>>> what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
> > > >> >>>>>>> The only thing I'm take now is my homemade
performancedrink
> > > >> >>>>>>> containing
> > > >> >>>>>>> proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> --- In
> > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > >> >>>>>>> "Simon Dankel"
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > Hi Martin,
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was
in the
> > > > process of
> > > >> >>>>>>> > developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more
potent
> > > > than many
> > > >> >>>>>>> > multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't
> > > > heard from
> > > >> >>>>>>> Rob since.
> > > >> >>>>>>> > But I think it's important you find a
multivitamin/mineral
> > > > with
> > > >> >>>>>>> sufficient
> > > >> >>>>>>> > dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement
(Solaray
> > > > Spektro)
> > > >> >>>>>>> is
> > > >> >>>>>>> made
> > > >> >>>>>>> > from extraction of natural sources and is supposed
to have
> > > > high
> > > >> >>>>>>> > bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg
magnesium,
> > > > which are
> > > >> >>>>>>> rather
> > > >> >>>>>>> > low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably
around
> > > > 30mg zink
> > > >> >>>>>>> and 300mg
> > > >> >>>>>>> > magnesium, but this would include what you get from
> > food. The
> > > >> >>>>>>> optimal dosage
> > > >> >>>>>>> > of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times
a day.
> > > > More than
> > > >> >>>>>>> 1000g is
> > > >> >>>>>>> > not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above
> > 1000mg is
> > > >> >>>>>>> limited. Eat
> > > >> >>>>>>> > sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > I also think that individuals have different
> > requirements, for
> > > >> >>>>>>> example
> > > >> >>>>>>> > dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status
> > of many
> > > >> >>>>>>> vitamins and
> > > >> >>>>>>> > minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As
far as
> > > > minerals,
> > > >> >>>>>>> there is
> > > >> >>>>>>> > hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect
> > > > mineral balance
> > > >> >>>>>>> in the
> > > >> >>>>>>> > body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't
> > > > Rob's view
> > > >> >>>>>>> on this.
> > > >> >>>>>>> > Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take
> > high
> > > >> >>>>>>> dosages of
> > > >> >>>>>>> > individual minerals - they function together and
are best
> > > > taken
> > > >> >>>>>>> together in
> > > >> >>>>>>> > a natural balance.
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and
magnesium,
> > > > iodine,
> > > >> >>>>>>> chromium
> > > >> >>>>>>> > and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat
> > > > yoghurt, cottage
> > > >> >>>>>>> cheese
> > > >> >>>>>>> > and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure
> > > > you get
> > > >> >>>>>>> enough (but
> > > >> >>>>>>> > not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D
> > > > status. Eat
> > > >> >>>>>>> liver
> > > >> >>>>>>> > (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts
and dark
> > > > greens
> > > >> >>>>>>> for
> > > >> >>>>>>> > vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon
(5mg) of
> > > >> >>>>>>> Carson's cod
> > > >> >>>>>>> > liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and
DHA/EPA. Beef
> > > > etc. for
> > > >> >>>>>>> B
> > > >> >>>>>>> > vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants
eat all
> > > > of the
> > > >> >>>>>>> above plus
> > > >> >>>>>>> > use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your
salads
> > > > (I love
> > > >> >>>>>>> those
> > > >> >>>>>>> > that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy),
> > > > fantastic
> > > >> >>>>>>> fruity
> > > >> >>>>>>> > taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene
and other
> > > >> >>>>>>> antioxidants -
> > > >> >>>>>>> > heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable
> > > > (but beware
> > > >> >>>>>>> that
> > > >> >>>>>>> > excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another
tip:
> > > > use lots
> > > >> >>>>>>> of
> > > >> >>>>>>> herbs
> > > >> >>>>>>> > and spices when cooking, to protect fats from
oxidation,
> > > > and spices
> > > >> >>>>>>> are also
> > > >> >>>>>>> > good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You
might
> > > > also want
> > > >> >>>>>>> to
> > > >> >>>>>>> > consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat
> > > > expensive. A
> > > >> >>>>>>> cheaper
> > > >> >>>>>>> > alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for
> > > > alpha-linolenic
> > > >> >>>>>>> acid
> > > >> >>>>>>> > (plant-source omega-3).
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > Good luck!
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > Simon
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>> > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@>
wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the
> > > > NHE-eating plan?
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any
> > > > recommendations?
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if
Rob has
> > > >> >>>>>>> commented on
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > the topic before.
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after
> > 7 days
> > > >> >>>>>>> doing my
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > metabolic shift.
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > Cheers
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > > Martin
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> > >
> > > >> >>>>>>> >
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Yes, here's the link:
http://hormonalfitness.com/askrob/soy-and-cultured-milk-products.htm

Scroll down a bit and you'll find it.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Martin.
>
> Do you have a link?  I haven't been able to find it on the ask rob
section.
>
> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Martin <rockdude@...> wrote:
> > Dawrestla, In the Ask Rob section he answers a similar question:
> >
> > "The lower limit of carbs per downcycle day on the general eating plan
> > is 30. Will eating less carbs than this each day negatively affect
> > optimal fat loss?
> >
> > I don't recommend this practice because it negatively affects: 1)
> > muscle glycogen levels 2) thermogenesis 3) adequate consumption of
> > antioxidant-rich, cancer-protective fruits and vegetables."
> >
> > The general eating plan is for optimal health though compared to the
> > bodybuilding plan, so that's one cause to not go under 30 grams/day
> > too often.
> >
> > /Martin
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi again,
> >>
> >> The floor of carbohydrate intake is as low as possible during the
> > downcycle.
> >> Rob writes in HNE that bodybuilders, who often are more dedicated to
> >> perfection, should aim as low as possible, maybe below 20 grams a
> > day like
> >> in the metabolic shift.
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM, DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Simon,
> >> >
> >> > So far my fave flavor is Banana Creme. Add the Peanut Butter to
> > that and
> >> > it's tempting to have more than just one serving! For awhile I
> > was doing
> >> > non-flavored Whey Protein powder and those Crystal Light flavor
> > packs, but -
> >> > again, trial and error - I realized that the more I had of those
> > non-caloric
> >> > sweeteners (including diet soda), the harder it was for me to burn
> > fat.
> >> > Odd, considering they had no carbohydrates, but they're all
> > artificial, so I
> >> > guess I shouldn't be surpised. Right now, I only drink water. A
> > diet soda
> >> > is very rare, but I will have one occassionally. Unfortunately,
> > my 2 weeks
> >> > of active duty are coming up in July, and that means either eat
MREs
> >> > (jam-packed with carbs) or starve. This will destroy my eating
> > plan, and
> >> > I'll have to re-start afterwards, but it doesn't mean I can't
control
> >> > portions while eating them. Realistically, one MRE can last the
> > whole day,
> >> > instead of eating 1 for each meal. Anyway, I'll cross that bridge
> > when I
> >> > get there.
> >> >
> >> > I haven't read (but I plan to pruchase) HIE. I should note that my
> >> > workouts during the week consist of the following: Mon/Tues and
> > Thurs/Fri I
> >> > run distance in the morning and lift weights in the afternoon
> > (chest&triceps
> >> > Mon/Thurs, back&biceps&legs Tues/Fri). Wednesday I do interval
> > running
> >> > training in the morning and evening, such as jumping rope or
playing
> >> > intramural soccer (lots of quick, short sprints). Saturdays I
> > work out once
> >> > a day, usually a distance run or bike ride. I would love to do more
> >> > interval/sprint work as part of my training, but I have a nagging
> > hamstring
> >> > from college football that needs to be "repaired" before I can do
> > so. I'll
> >> > definitely try and add more as the Summer heats up.
> >> >
> >> > I see your point about being MORE stringent than what Rob
> > advocates, and I
> >> > certainly need it during the induction phase (it's amazing the
> > progress I
> >> > can see from week to week as my lovehandles get smaller!). But
> > you know,
> >> > the one question I had that Rob doesn't answer in his book is,
> > when on the
> >> > macronutrient cycling he says to have 30-60 grams of carbs a
> > day...does he
> >> > use the number 30 as a floor and 60 as a ceiling? OR does he
use the
> >> > general range of 30-60 as a ceiling, and the floor can be anywhere
> > from
> >> > 0-29?
> >> >
> >> > Also, it's good to see the forum alive and well again.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> DaWrestla,
> >> >>
> >> >> Sounds like a good protein shake.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise) program?
> > Depending
> >> >> on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight
lifting
> >> >> workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less intensity then
> > maybe it
> >> >> works for you to achieve your objectives.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift - rather
> > don't
> >> >> you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind that
> > people need
> >> >> a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate
from the
> >> >> principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course
probably
> >> >> struggle with being stringent enough...
> >> >>
> >> >> Good luck!
> >> >>
> >> >> Simon
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Awesome.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use
100% Whey
> >> >>> protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the
> > flavor; 0
> >> >>> grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all
> > natural peanut
> >> >>> putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein)
> > for a grand
> >> >>> total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of
> > carbs. I
> >> >>> tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made
> > completely
> >> >>> overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor,
> > so I
> >> >>> decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each
> > after my morning
> >> >>> (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about
40lbs (in
> >> >>> addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the
> > afternoon 5x a
> >> >>> week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I enlisted
> > in the Navy
> >> >>> (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food
> > quality, but
> >> >>> mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal
> > is a bad
> >> >>> idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the
> > NHE diet and
> >> >>> am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking
forward to
> >> >>> shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my
> > college football
> >> >>> days are over).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew",
> > but I
> >> >>> found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits
> > of the NHE
> >> >>> plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find that
> > in only 1
> >> >>> week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any thoughts?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Certainly.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins
> > A, B, E
> >> >>>>>> and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more
> > vitamin C though.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/\
1095&saleCatalogId=10051
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have
> > bought it
> >> >>>>>>> right away.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice
> > supplement. Do
> >> >>>>>>> you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though
> > your taking
> >> >>>>>>> Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do
> > you use it
> >> >>>>>>> every day or just now and then?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say
that I'm
> >> >>>>>>> tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but
> > you get
> >> >>>>>>> what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
> >> >>>>>>> The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink
> >> >>>>>>> containing
> >> >>>>>>> proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> --- In
> > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >> >>>>>>> "Simon Dankel"
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Hi Martin,
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the
> > process of
> >> >>>>>>> > developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent
> > than many
> >> >>>>>>> > multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't
> > heard from
> >> >>>>>>> Rob since.
> >> >>>>>>> > But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral
> > with
> >> >>>>>>> sufficient
> >> >>>>>>> > dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray
> > Spektro)
> >> >>>>>>> is
> >> >>>>>>> made
> >> >>>>>>> > from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have
> > high
> >> >>>>>>> > bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium,
> > which are
> >> >>>>>>> rather
> >> >>>>>>> > low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around
> > 30mg zink
> >> >>>>>>> and 300mg
> >> >>>>>>> > magnesium, but this would include what you get from
food. The
> >> >>>>>>> optimal dosage
> >> >>>>>>> > of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day.
> > More than
> >> >>>>>>> 1000g is
> >> >>>>>>> > not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above
1000mg is
> >> >>>>>>> limited. Eat
> >> >>>>>>> > sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > I also think that individuals have different
requirements, for
> >> >>>>>>> example
> >> >>>>>>> > dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status
of many
> >> >>>>>>> vitamins and
> >> >>>>>>> > minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as
> > minerals,
> >> >>>>>>> there is
> >> >>>>>>> > hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect
> > mineral balance
> >> >>>>>>> in the
> >> >>>>>>> > body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't
> > Rob's view
> >> >>>>>>> on this.
> >> >>>>>>> > Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take
high
> >> >>>>>>> dosages of
> >> >>>>>>> > individual minerals - they function together and are best
> > taken
> >> >>>>>>> together in
> >> >>>>>>> > a natural balance.
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium,
> > iodine,
> >> >>>>>>> chromium
> >> >>>>>>> > and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat
> > yoghurt, cottage
> >> >>>>>>> cheese
> >> >>>>>>> > and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure
> > you get
> >> >>>>>>> enough (but
> >> >>>>>>> > not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D
> > status. Eat
> >> >>>>>>> liver
> >> >>>>>>> > (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark
> > greens
> >> >>>>>>> for
> >> >>>>>>> > vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of
> >> >>>>>>> Carson's cod
> >> >>>>>>> > liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef
> > etc. for
> >> >>>>>>> B
> >> >>>>>>> > vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all
> > of the
> >> >>>>>>> above plus
> >> >>>>>>> > use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads
> > (I love
> >> >>>>>>> those
> >> >>>>>>> > that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy),
> > fantastic
> >> >>>>>>> fruity
> >> >>>>>>> > taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
> >> >>>>>>> antioxidants -
> >> >>>>>>> > heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable
> > (but beware
> >> >>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>> > excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip:
> > use lots
> >> >>>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>>> herbs
> >> >>>>>>> > and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation,
> > and spices
> >> >>>>>>> are also
> >> >>>>>>> > good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might
> > also want
> >> >>>>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>> > consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat
> > expensive. A
> >> >>>>>>> cheaper
> >> >>>>>>> > alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for
> > alpha-linolenic
> >> >>>>>>> acid
> >> >>>>>>> > (plant-source omega-3).
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Good luck!
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > Simon
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>> > > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the
> > NHE-eating plan?
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> > > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any
> > recommendations?
> >> >>>>>>> > > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has
> >> >>>>>>> commented on
> >> >>>>>>> > > the topic before.
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> > > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after
7 days
> >> >>>>>>> doing my
> >> >>>>>>> > > metabolic shift.
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> > > Cheers
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> > > Martin
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

Thanks, Martin.

Do you have a link?  I haven't been able to find it on the ask rob section.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Martin <rockdude@...> wrote:
> Dawrestla, In the Ask Rob section he answers a similar question:
>
> "The lower limit of carbs per downcycle day on the general eating plan
> is 30. Will eating less carbs than this each day negatively affect
> optimal fat loss?
>
> I don't recommend this practice because it negatively affects: 1)
> muscle glycogen levels 2) thermogenesis 3) adequate consumption of
> antioxidant-rich, cancer-protective fruits and vegetables."
>
> The general eating plan is for optimal health though compared to the
> bodybuilding plan, so that's one cause to not go under 30 grams/day
> too often.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> The floor of carbohydrate intake is as low as possible during the
> downcycle.
>> Rob writes in HNE that bodybuilders, who often are more dedicated to
>> perfection, should aim as low as possible, maybe below 20 grams a
> day like
>> in the metabolic shift.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
>>
>> > Simon,
>> >
>> > So far my fave flavor is Banana Creme. Add the Peanut Butter to
> that and
>> > it's tempting to have more than just one serving! For awhile I
> was doing
>> > non-flavored Whey Protein powder and those Crystal Light flavor
> packs, but -
>> > again, trial and error - I realized that the more I had of those
> non-caloric
>> > sweeteners (including diet soda), the harder it was for me to burn
> fat.
>> > Odd, considering they had no carbohydrates, but they're all
> artificial, so I
>> > guess I shouldn't be surpised. Right now, I only drink water. A
> diet soda
>> > is very rare, but I will have one occassionally. Unfortunately,
> my 2 weeks
>> > of active duty are coming up in July, and that means either eat MREs
>> > (jam-packed with carbs) or starve. This will destroy my eating
> plan, and
>> > I'll have to re-start afterwards, but it doesn't mean I can't control
>> > portions while eating them. Realistically, one MRE can last the
> whole day,
>> > instead of eating 1 for each meal. Anyway, I'll cross that bridge
> when I
>> > get there.
>> >
>> > I haven't read (but I plan to pruchase) HIE. I should note that my
>> > workouts during the week consist of the following: Mon/Tues and
> Thurs/Fri I
>> > run distance in the morning and lift weights in the afternoon
> (chest&triceps
>> > Mon/Thurs, back&biceps&legs Tues/Fri). Wednesday I do interval
> running
>> > training in the morning and evening, such as jumping rope or playing
>> > intramural soccer (lots of quick, short sprints). Saturdays I
> work out once
>> > a day, usually a distance run or bike ride. I would love to do more
>> > interval/sprint work as part of my training, but I have a nagging
> hamstring
>> > from college football that needs to be "repaired" before I can do
> so. I'll
>> > definitely try and add more as the Summer heats up.
>> >
>> > I see your point about being MORE stringent than what Rob
> advocates, and I
>> > certainly need it during the induction phase (it's amazing the
> progress I
>> > can see from week to week as my lovehandles get smaller!). But
> you know,
>> > the one question I had that Rob doesn't answer in his book is,
> when on the
>> > macronutrient cycling he says to have 30-60 grams of carbs a
> day...does he
>> > use the number 30 as a floor and 60 as a ceiling? OR does he use the
>> > general range of 30-60 as a ceiling, and the floor can be anywhere
> from
>> > 0-29?
>> >
>> > Also, it's good to see the forum alive and well again.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> DaWrestla,
>> >>
>> >> Sounds like a good protein shake.
>> >>
>> >> Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise) program?
> Depending
>> >> on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight lifting
>> >> workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less intensity then
> maybe it
>> >> works for you to achieve your objectives.
>> >>
>> >> I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift - rather
> don't
>> >> you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind that
> people need
>> >> a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate from the
>> >> principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course probably
>> >> struggle with being stringent enough...
>> >>
>> >> Good luck!
>> >>
>> >> Simon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Awesome.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use 100% Whey
>> >>> protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the
> flavor; 0
>> >>> grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all
> natural peanut
>> >>> putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein)
> for a grand
>> >>> total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of
> carbs. I
>> >>> tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made
> completely
>> >>> overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor,
> so I
>> >>> decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each
> after my morning
>> >>> (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.
>> >>>
>> >>> I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about 40lbs (in
>> >>> addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the
> afternoon 5x a
>> >>> week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I enlisted
> in the Navy
>> >>> (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food
> quality, but
>> >>> mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal
> is a bad
>> >>> idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the
> NHE diet and
>> >>> am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking forward to
>> >>> shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my
> college football
>> >>> days are over).
>> >>>
>> >>> And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew",
> but I
>> >>> found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits
> of the NHE
>> >>> plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find that
> in only 1
>> >>> week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Certainly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins
> A, B, E
>> >>>>>> and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more
> vitamin C though.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/\
1095&saleCatalogId=10051
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have
> bought it
>> >>>>>>> right away.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice
> supplement. Do
>> >>>>>>> you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though
> your taking
>> >>>>>>> Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do
> you use it
>> >>>>>>> every day or just now and then?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
>> >>>>>>> tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but
> you get
>> >>>>>>> what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
>> >>>>>>> The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink
>> >>>>>>> containing
>> >>>>>>> proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --- In
> HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> >>>>>>> "Simon Dankel"
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Hi Martin,
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the
> process of
>> >>>>>>> > developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent
> than many
>> >>>>>>> > multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't
> heard from
>> >>>>>>> Rob since.
>> >>>>>>> > But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral
> with
>> >>>>>>> sufficient
>> >>>>>>> > dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray
> Spektro)
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>> made
>> >>>>>>> > from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have
> high
>> >>>>>>> > bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium,
> which are
>> >>>>>>> rather
>> >>>>>>> > low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around
> 30mg zink
>> >>>>>>> and 300mg
>> >>>>>>> > magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
>> >>>>>>> optimal dosage
>> >>>>>>> > of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day.
> More than
>> >>>>>>> 1000g is
>> >>>>>>> > not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
>> >>>>>>> limited. Eat
>> >>>>>>> > sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > I also think that individuals have different requirements, for
>> >>>>>>> example
>> >>>>>>> > dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
>> >>>>>>> vitamins and
>> >>>>>>> > minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as
> minerals,
>> >>>>>>> there is
>> >>>>>>> > hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect
> mineral balance
>> >>>>>>> in the
>> >>>>>>> > body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't
> Rob's view
>> >>>>>>> on this.
>> >>>>>>> > Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high
>> >>>>>>> dosages of
>> >>>>>>> > individual minerals - they function together and are best
> taken
>> >>>>>>> together in
>> >>>>>>> > a natural balance.
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium,
> iodine,
>> >>>>>>> chromium
>> >>>>>>> > and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat
> yoghurt, cottage
>> >>>>>>> cheese
>> >>>>>>> > and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure
> you get
>> >>>>>>> enough (but
>> >>>>>>> > not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D
> status. Eat
>> >>>>>>> liver
>> >>>>>>> > (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark
> greens
>> >>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>> > vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of
>> >>>>>>> Carson's cod
>> >>>>>>> > liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef
> etc. for
>> >>>>>>> B
>> >>>>>>> > vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all
> of the
>> >>>>>>> above plus
>> >>>>>>> > use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads
> (I love
>> >>>>>>> those
>> >>>>>>> > that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy),
> fantastic
>> >>>>>>> fruity
>> >>>>>>> > taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
>> >>>>>>> antioxidants -
>> >>>>>>> > heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable
> (but beware
>> >>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> > excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip:
> use lots
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> herbs
>> >>>>>>> > and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation,
> and spices
>> >>>>>>> are also
>> >>>>>>> > good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might
> also want
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> > consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat
> expensive. A
>> >>>>>>> cheaper
>> >>>>>>> > alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for
> alpha-linolenic
>> >>>>>>> acid
>> >>>>>>> > (plant-source omega-3).
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Good luck!
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Simon
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the
> NHE-eating plan?
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any
> recommendations?
>> >>>>>>> > > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has
>> >>>>>>> commented on
>> >>>>>>> > > the topic before.
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days
>> >>>>>>> doing my
>> >>>>>>> > > metabolic shift.
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > > Cheers
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > > Martin
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Dawrestla, In the Ask Rob section he answers a similar question:

"The lower limit of carbs per downcycle day on the general eating plan
is 30. Will eating less carbs than this each day negatively affect
optimal fat loss?

I don't recommend this practice because it negatively affects: 1)
muscle glycogen levels 2) thermogenesis 3) adequate consumption of
antioxidant-rich, cancer-protective fruits and vegetables."

The general eating plan is for optimal health though compared to the
bodybuilding plan, so that's one cause to not go under 30 grams/day
too often.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> The floor of carbohydrate intake is as low as possible during the
downcycle.
> Rob writes in HNE that bodybuilders, who often are more dedicated to
> perfection, should aim as low as possible, maybe below 20 grams a
day like
> in the metabolic shift.
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
>
> >   Simon,
> >
> > So far my fave flavor is Banana Creme.  Add the Peanut Butter to
that and
> > it's tempting to have more than just one serving!  For awhile  I
was doing
> > non-flavored Whey Protein powder and those Crystal Light flavor
packs, but -
> > again, trial and error - I realized that the more I had of those
non-caloric
> > sweeteners (including diet soda), the harder it was for me to burn
fat.
> > Odd, considering they had no carbohydrates, but they're all
artificial, so I
> > guess I shouldn't be surpised.  Right now, I only drink water.  A
diet soda
> > is very rare, but I will have one occassionally.  Unfortunately,
my 2 weeks
> > of active duty are coming up in July, and that means either eat MREs
> > (jam-packed with carbs) or starve.  This will destroy my eating
plan, and
> > I'll have to re-start afterwards, but it doesn't mean I can't control
> > portions while eating them.  Realistically, one MRE can last the
whole day,
> > instead of eating 1 for each meal.  Anyway, I'll cross that bridge
when I
> > get there.
> >
> > I haven't read (but I plan to pruchase) HIE.  I should note that my
> > workouts during the week consist of the following:  Mon/Tues and
Thurs/Fri I
> > run distance in the morning and lift weights in the afternoon
(chest&triceps
> > Mon/Thurs, back&biceps&legs Tues/Fri).  Wednesday I do interval
running
> > training in the morning and evening, such as jumping rope or playing
> > intramural soccer (lots of quick, short sprints).  Saturdays I
work out once
> > a day, usually a distance run or bike ride.  I would love to do more
> > interval/sprint work as part of my training, but I have a nagging
hamstring
> > from college football that needs to be "repaired" before I can do
so.  I'll
> > definitely try and add more as the Summer heats up.
> >
> > I see your point about being MORE stringent than what Rob
advocates, and I
> > certainly need it during the induction phase (it's amazing the
progress I
> > can see from week to week as my lovehandles get smaller!).  But
you know,
> > the one question I had that Rob doesn't answer in his book is,
when on the
> > macronutrient cycling he says to have 30-60 grams of carbs a
day...does he
> > use the number 30 as a floor and 60 as a ceiling?  OR does he use the
> > general range of 30-60 as a ceiling, and the floor can be anywhere
from
> > 0-29?
> >
> > Also, it's good to see the forum alive and well again.
> >
> >
> > On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>    DaWrestla,
> >>
> >> Sounds like a good protein shake.
> >>
> >> Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise) program?
Depending
> >> on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight lifting
> >> workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less intensity then
maybe it
> >> works for you to achieve your objectives.
> >>
> >> I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift - rather
don't
> >> you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind that
people need
> >> a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate from the
> >> principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course probably
> >> struggle with being stringent enough...
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>    Awesome.
> >>>
> >>> Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use 100% Whey
> >>> protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the
flavor; 0
> >>> grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all
natural peanut
> >>> putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein)
for a grand
> >>> total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of
carbs.  I
> >>> tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made
completely
> >>> overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor,
so I
> >>> decided to forego that.  I have this twice a day, once each
after my morning
> >>> (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.
> >>>
> >>> I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about 40lbs (in
> >>> addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the
afternoon 5x a
> >>> week, and a bike ride on Saturdays).  Unfortunately, I enlisted
in the Navy
> >>> (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food
quality, but
> >>> mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal
is a bad
> >>> idea, but it sure kept my morale up!)  Anyway, I'm back on the
NHE diet and
> >>> am currently on the induction phase.  I am really looking forward to
> >>> shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my
college football
> >>> days are over).
> >>>
> >>> And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew",
but I
> >>> found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits
of the NHE
> >>> plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase.  I find that
in only 1
> >>> week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode.  Any thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>   Certainly.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Hey guys, this is just a test.  Can you all see it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins
A, B, E
> >>>>>> and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more
vitamin C though.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/\
1095&saleCatalogId=10051
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have
bought it
> >>>>>>> right away.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice
supplement. Do
> >>>>>>> you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though
your taking
> >>>>>>> Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do
you use it
> >>>>>>> every day or just now and then?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
> >>>>>>> tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but
you get
> >>>>>>> what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
> >>>>>>> The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink
> >>>>>>> containing
> >>>>>>> proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> >>>>>>> "Simon Dankel"
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Hi Martin,
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the
process of
> >>>>>>> > developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent
than many
> >>>>>>> > multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't
heard from
> >>>>>>> Rob since.
> >>>>>>> > But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral
with
> >>>>>>> sufficient
> >>>>>>> > dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray
Spektro)
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> made
> >>>>>>> > from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have
high
> >>>>>>> > bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium,
which are
> >>>>>>> rather
> >>>>>>> > low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around
30mg zink
> >>>>>>> and 300mg
> >>>>>>> > magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
> >>>>>>> optimal dosage
> >>>>>>> > of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day.
More than
> >>>>>>> 1000g is
> >>>>>>> > not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
> >>>>>>> limited. Eat
> >>>>>>> > sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > I also think that individuals have different requirements, for
> >>>>>>> example
> >>>>>>> > dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
> >>>>>>> vitamins and
> >>>>>>> > minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as
minerals,
> >>>>>>> there is
> >>>>>>> > hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect
mineral balance
> >>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>> > body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't
Rob's view
> >>>>>>> on this.
> >>>>>>> > Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high
> >>>>>>> dosages of
> >>>>>>> > individual minerals - they function together and are best
taken
> >>>>>>> together in
> >>>>>>> > a natural balance.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium,
iodine,
> >>>>>>> chromium
> >>>>>>> > and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat
yoghurt, cottage
> >>>>>>> cheese
> >>>>>>> > and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure
you get
> >>>>>>> enough (but
> >>>>>>> > not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D
status. Eat
> >>>>>>> liver
> >>>>>>> > (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark
greens
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> > vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of
> >>>>>>> Carson's cod
> >>>>>>> > liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef
etc. for
> >>>>>>> B
> >>>>>>> > vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all
of the
> >>>>>>> above plus
> >>>>>>> > use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads
(I love
> >>>>>>> those
> >>>>>>> > that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy),
fantastic
> >>>>>>> fruity
> >>>>>>> > taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
> >>>>>>> antioxidants -
> >>>>>>> > heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable
(but beware
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> > excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip:
use lots
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> herbs
> >>>>>>> > and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation,
and spices
> >>>>>>> are also
> >>>>>>> > good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might
also want
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> > consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat
expensive. A
> >>>>>>> cheaper
> >>>>>>> > alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for
alpha-linolenic
> >>>>>>> acid
> >>>>>>> > (plant-source omega-3).
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Good luck!
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Simon
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@> wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the
NHE-eating plan?
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any
recommendations?
> >>>>>>> > > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has
> >>>>>>> commented on
> >>>>>>> > > the topic before.
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days
> >>>>>>> doing my
> >>>>>>> > > metabolic shift.
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > > Cheers
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > > Martin
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>

With everyone for so long I hope simon or guy will find out the reason
and what happened to his supplement line.

Great news! I got the info by email this morning too and couldn't
believe it at first! I thought it was one of the old newsletters that
was auto send, but then I slowly realized it was new.

Welcome back Rob! This made my day.

/Martin


--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "gvanpolanen"
<guyvan_polanen@...> wrote:
>
> Finally some good news guys after 3 years.HE'S BACK!!!!
>
>
> recently there was  an interview of 60 minutes between him and Cindy
> Speir.
>
>
>
> http://www.modavox.com/voiceamericacms/WebModules/HostModaview.aspx?
> HostId=439&ChannelId=4&Flag=1
>
> scroll down to date 04-01-2008 for the interview.
>
>
> There's also an update on his site finallyl, Now there's a
> possibility to train with Rob Faigin. personal training.
>
> Rob is available for personal training, and group or team
> consultation, as well as trainer to trainer services. A traveling fee
> is required for appointments scheduled outside the tri-county South
> Florida area.
>
>
> greetings Guy
>

where are the updates on the web site I did not find them. can you
provide a link thnaks.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "gvanpolanen"
<guyvan_polanen@...> wrote:
>
> Finally some good news guys after 3 years.HE'S BACK!!!!
>
>
> recently there was  an interview of 60 minutes between him and
Cindy
> Speir.
>
>
>
> http://www.modavox.com/voiceamericacms/WebModules/HostModaview.aspx?
> HostId=439&ChannelId=4&Flag=1
>
> scroll down to date 04-01-2008 for the interview.
>
>
> There's also an update on his site finallyl, Now there's a
> possibility to train with Rob Faigin. personal training.
>
> Rob is available for personal training, and group or team
> consultation, as well as trainer to trainer services. A traveling
fee
> is required for appointments scheduled outside the tri-county South
> Florida area.
>
>
> greetings Guy
>

To listen to Rob's recent interview on Cindy Speir's Baby Boomers of
Today internet radio show,
go to: http://www.modavox.com/7thwavenetwork/

- click on "current shows"

- scroll to find Cindy Speir/Baby Boomers of Today, and click

- in "content library" scroll down to 4/1/08


greetings Guy

Finally some good news guys after 3 years.HE'S BACK!!!!


recently there was  an interview of 60 minutes between him and Cindy
Speir.



http://www.modavox.com/voiceamericacms/WebModules/HostModaview.aspx?
HostId=439&ChannelId=4&Flag=1

scroll down to date 04-01-2008 for the interview.


There's also an update on his site finallyl, Now there's a
possibility to train with Rob Faigin. personal training.

Rob is available for personal training, and group or team
consultation, as well as trainer to trainer services. A traveling fee
is required for appointments scheduled outside the tri-county South
Florida area.


greetings Guy

Yes but how much higher? I want numbers, not just "higher". Or does
Jay just say "stay low, stay high"??? What numbers for carbs does he
state in the book you've read?

Checked out the site you mentioned. He has some impressive exercises
and smart ways of doing them without buying expensive machines or
devices.  Functional strength rocks.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
<aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
>
>
> I know they are higher but his book has been revised now that we are
> in 2008 the first book i read from him was in 2000. All in all i thin
> rob faigans books are the best to bad he disapeared. Check out the
> exercise guy I found he is powerful and he agrees with robs hie in
> terms of training with weights and doing ballistic/ plyometric
> exercise check out his site i listed it in another message saying
> rose training.
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alex!
> >
> > What carb-limits does Jay Robb state in his book?
> > I had some problems ordering his book because they updated their
> > mail-servers, but the support was excellent and now my book and a
> jar
> > of Stevia is on it's way to Sweden.
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
> > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > > My real name is Alex. Jay book is based on carb cycling but is
> less
> > > strict then nhe, his bodybuilder plan is easier to follow. When
> you
> > > read his book you must remember that this book was written before
> nhe
> > > but the new version is updated of course. Also his book is not as
> > > well written as nhe as nhe is not just about eating but life
> style as
> > > well.
> > > -- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll let you know guys.
> > > >
> > > > aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you
> please
> > > > enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
> > > > little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > please let me know, too.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >   let me know what you think.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Martin <rockdude@>* wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion.
> I'm
> > > glad you
> > > > > > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his
> > > products.
> > > > > > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices.
> Hopefully I
> > > can
> > > > > > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /Martin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb
> fat
> > > > burning
> > > > > > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and
> > > importance on
> > > > > > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb
> does
> > > not
> > > > tell
> > > > > > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an
> > > eating
> > > > > > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often
> but
> > > when
> > > > > > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two
> times
> > > a week
> > > > > > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books
> so
> > > for 5
> > > > > > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you
> would
> > > need to
> > > > > > > check out his site read his articles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you
> worked
> > > > for Jay
> > > > > > > Robb.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice
> differs
> > > from
> > > > > > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > > > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to
> the
> > > board
> > > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am
> just
> > > > > > > providing an
> > > > > > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > > > > > term "weight
> > > > > > > > > loss"
> > > > > > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin
> <rockdude@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay?
> > > Don't take
> > > > > > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are
> > > there any
> > > > > > > vital
> > > > > > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and
> carbload?
> > > > What's
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book
> just
> > > read one
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat
> through
> > > the
> > > > > > > diet.
> > > > > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this
> out
> > > but has
> > > > > > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but
> when
> > > it
> > > > comes
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas.
> He
> > > > also has
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I know they are higher but his book has been revised now that we are
in 2008 the first book i read from him was in 2000. All in all i thin
rob faigans books are the best to bad he disapeared. Check out the
exercise guy I found he is powerful and he agrees with robs hie in
terms of training with weights and doing ballistic/ plyometric
exercise check out his site i listed it in another message saying
rose training.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex!
>
> What carb-limits does Jay Robb state in his book?
> I had some problems ordering his book because they updated their
> mail-servers, but the support was excellent and now my book and a
jar
> of Stevia is on it's way to Sweden.
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
> <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> > My real name is Alex. Jay book is based on carb cycling but is
less
> > strict then nhe, his bodybuilder plan is easier to follow. When
you
> > read his book you must remember that this book was written before
nhe
> > but the new version is updated of course. Also his book is not as
> > well written as nhe as nhe is not just about eating but life
style as
> > well.
> > -- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll let you know guys.
> > >
> > > aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you
please
> > > enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
> > > little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.
> > >
> > > /Martin
> > >
> > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > please let me know, too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >   let me know what you think.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Martin <rockdude@>* wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion.
I'm
> > glad you
> > > > > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his
> > products.
> > > > > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices.
Hopefully I
> > can
> > > > > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> > > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb
fat
> > > burning
> > > > > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and
> > importance on
> > > > > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb
does
> > not
> > > tell
> > > > > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an
> > eating
> > > > > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often
but
> > when
> > > > > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two
times
> > a week
> > > > > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books
so
> > for 5
> > > > > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you
would
> > need to
> > > > > > check out his site read his articles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you
worked
> > > for Jay
> > > > > > Robb.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice
differs
> > from
> > > > > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to
the
> > board
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am
just
> > > > > > providing an
> > > > > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > > > > term "weight
> > > > > > > > loss"
> > > > > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin
<rockdude@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay?
> > Don't take
> > > > > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are
> > there any
> > > > > > vital
> > > > > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and
carbload?
> > > What's
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book
just
> > read one
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat
through
> > the
> > > > > > diet.
> > > > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this
out
> > but has
> > > > > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but
when
> > it
> > > comes
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas.
He
> > > also has
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Alex!

What carb-limits does Jay Robb state in his book?
I had some problems ordering his book because they updated their
mail-servers, but the support was excellent and now my book and a jar
of Stevia is on it's way to Sweden.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
<aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
> My real name is Alex. Jay book is based on carb cycling but is less
> strict then nhe, his bodybuilder plan is easier to follow. When you
> read his book you must remember that this book was written before nhe
> but the new version is updated of course. Also his book is not as
> well written as nhe as nhe is not just about eating but life style as
> well.
> -- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll let you know guys.
> >
> > aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you please
> > enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
> > little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.
> >
> > /Martin
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > please let me know, too.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >   let me know what you think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Martin <rockdude@>* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion. I'm
> glad you
> > > > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his
> products.
> > > > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices. Hopefully I
> can
> > > > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb fat
> > burning
> > > > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and
> importance on
> > > > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb does
> not
> > tell
> > > > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an
> eating
> > > > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often but
> when
> > > > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two times
> a week
> > > > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books so
> for 5
> > > > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you would
> need to
> > > > > check out his site read his articles.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you worked
> > for Jay
> > > > > Robb.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice differs
> from
> > > > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to the
> board
> > > > > check
> > > > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am just
> > > > > providing an
> > > > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > > > term "weight
> > > > > > > loss"
> > > > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin <rockdude@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay?
> Don't take
> > > > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are
> there any
> > > > > vital
> > > > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and carbload?
> > What's
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <HormonalFitness%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book just
> read one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat through
> the
> > > > > diet.
> > > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this out
> but has
> > > > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but when
> it
> > comes
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas. He
> > also has
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Just looked at the nutrition facts for one of Jay Robbs proteinbars:

JayBar Peanut Butter Protein Bar
Serving Size: 1 bar (57g)
Servings per box: 12

Calories 240
  Calories from fat: 100
Protein 15g
Total Fat 11g
  Saturated Fat 2g
  Trans Fat 0g
Cholesterol 0mg
Sodium 110mg
Potassium 263mg
Total Carbohydrate 22g
  Dietary Fiber 5g
  Sugars 9g
  Sugar Alcohol 5g (from xylitol)
  Net carbs = 12 grams

(Net Carbs are the actual carbohydrates that impact blood sugar
levels). (Total carbs 22g minus 5g fiber minus 5g sugar alcohol = 12g
*Net Carbs)

Jay Robb mentions total carbohydrate to be 22g, but Net carbs 12.
Where netcarbs are total carbs minus fiber and sugar alcohol.

Rob Faigin uses the phrase Active Carbs which is total carbs minus
dietary fiber.

So there is a difference between their views of how to count carbs if
I understand correctly? Or am I missing something?

I haven't read Jay Robbs book yet, but on the webpage the short
explanation of his eating plan seems to be something like: Day 1 eat
low carbs, day two eat high carbs, day three eat low carbs and so on.
That's like carb loading every other day. That is something that
Faigin says is as far as one can go without getting into a sugar
burning mode and might be used only to maintain weight and health.

I wonder how this guys training ideas differ from hie but check out
what this guy can do . http://www.rosstraining.com/

Hi Martin,
My real name is Alex. Jay book is based on carb cycling but is less
strict then nhe, his bodybuilder plan is easier to follow. When you
read his book you must remember that this book was written before nhe
but the new version is updated of course. Also his book is not as
well written as nhe as nhe is not just about eating but life style as
well.
-- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> I'll let you know guys.
>
> aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you please
> enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
> little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >
> > please let me know, too.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> >
> > >   let me know what you think.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Martin <rockdude@>* wrote:
> > >
> > >  I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion. I'm
glad you
> > > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his
products.
> > > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices. Hopefully I
can
> > > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> > >
> > > /Martin
> > >
> > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb fat
> burning
> > > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and
importance on
> > > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb does
not
> tell
> > > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an
eating
> > > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often but
when
> > > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two times
a week
> > > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books so
for 5
> > > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you would
need to
> > > > check out his site read his articles.
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you worked
> for Jay
> > > > Robb.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice differs
from
> > > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Simon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to the
board
> > > > check
> > > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am just
> > > > providing an
> > > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > > term "weight
> > > > > > loss"
> > > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin <rockdude@>
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay?
Don't take
> > > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are
there any
> > > > vital
> > > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and carbload?
> What's
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <HormonalFitness%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book just
read one
> > > > of
> > > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat through
the
> > > > diet.
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this out
but has
> > > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but when
it
> comes
> > > > to
> > > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas. He
> also has
> > > > a
> > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I'll let you know guys.

aergeoooaaa(what's your real name?), In the meantime can you please
enlighten us with some more facts about Jay's eatingplan? Just a
little more detail would be fun. Carblimits? Protein, Fat etc.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> please let me know, too.
>
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
>
> >   let me know what you think.
> >
> >
> > *Martin <rockdude@...>* wrote:
> >
> >  I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion. I'm glad you
> > pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his products.
> > Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices. Hopefully I can
> > use implement them into my NHE eating.
> >
> > /Martin
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "aergeoooaaa"
> > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb fat
burning
> > > book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and importance on
> > > healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb does not
tell
> > > you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an eating
> > > plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often but when
> > > your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two times a week
> > > only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books so for 5
> > > bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you would need to
> > > check out his site read his articles.
> > >
> > > --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Simon Dankel"
> > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you worked
for Jay
> > > Robb.
> > > >
> > > > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice differs from
> > > Rob's. Do you
> > > > have any thoughts on this?
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to the board
> > > check
> > > > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am just
> > > providing an
> > > > > example of a dedicated author.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitne\
ss%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Martin,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I support your questions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> > > term "weight
> > > > > loss"
> > > > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay? Don't take
> > > > > this wrong
> > > > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are there any
> > > vital
> > > > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and carbload?
What's
> > > you
> > > > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <HormonalFitness%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book just read one
> > > of
> > > > > jay robb
> > > > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat through the
> > > diet.
> > > > > Rob
> > > > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this out but has
> > > > > disappered
> > > > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but when it
comes
> > > to
> > > > > fat
> > > > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas. He
also has
> > > a
> > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

I have ordered his book now so I can get my own opinion. I'm glad you
pointed us to the site and I'm actually impressed by his products.
Seems to be good ingredients to pretty good prices. Hopefully I can
use implement them into my NHE eating.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "aergeoooaaa"
<aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
>
>
> simon I have read jay robb book before robs nhe. jay robb fat burning
> book came out before nhe did but the carb cycling and importance on
> healthy fats is shared by both authors however jay robb does not tell
> you to do the seven day shift just starts you out with an eating
> plan. for the bodybuilder he says to carb load more often but when
> your trying to be as lean as possible to carb load two times a week
> only. on his site he offer most of his books as e-books so for 5
> bucks you can not go wrong to read his views also you would need to
> check out his site read his articles.
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the tip! I personally never suspected you worked for Jay
> Robb.
> >
> > I would still like to hear how Jay Robb's advice differs from
> Rob's. Do you
> > have any thoughts on this?
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On 5/22/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No I do not work for jay robb just providing info to the board
> check
> > > out his site if you want, the choice is yours. I am just
> providing an
> > > example of a dedicated author.
> > >
> > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com <HormonalFitness%
> 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > "Simon Dankel"
> > > <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Martin,
> > > >
> > > > I support your questions.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding Jay Robb, I do like Rob's comment that the
> term "weight
> > > loss"
> > > > should be eradicated from the English language.
> > > >
> > > > Simon
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Martin <rockdude@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Have you read Faigins book? Do you work for Jay? Don't take
> > > this wrong
> > > > > but it seems like your doing a lot of advertising.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you've read both Faigins and Robbs books. Are there any
> vital
> > > > > differences? Carblimits during downcycle and carbload? What's
> you
> > > > > experience of both eating plans?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%
> 40yahoogroups.com><HormonalFitness%
> > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > "aergeoooaaa"
> > > > >
> > > > > <aergeoooaaa@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all if you want the fat burning cook book just read one
> of
> > > jay robb
> > > > > > book as he is also an expert on burning fat through the
> diet.
> > > Rob
> > > > > > faigan was supposed to bring a book like this out but has
> > > disappered
> > > > > > into thin air. rob faigans books are good but when it comes
> to
> > > fat
> > > > > > burning meals jay robb has a lot of good ideas. He also has
> a
> > > lot of
> > > > > > good products that are healthy for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>