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I just bought Solaray Spektro as multivitamin and C-500 Complex as
c-vitamin supplement. Anyone that have any experience of C-500
Complex? Rob mentioned it in his flu-report so I checked it out and
decided to give it a try.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Btw, my multisupplement doesn't contain iron - men should generally not
> supplement iron (you might want to consider giving blood instead, as
iron
> can accumulate in the body and contribute to excess oxidative stress).
> Menstruating women may take a supplement with iron, but it might be
a good
> idea to have your iron status checked.
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> > developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> > multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> > But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> > dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro)
is made
> > from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> > bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which
are rather
> > low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> > magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> > of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More
than 1000g is
> > not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> > sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
> >
> > I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> > dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> > minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> > hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral
balance in the
> > body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> > Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high
dosages of
> > individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> > a natural balance.
> >
> > Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> > and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt,
cottage cheese
> > and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> > not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat
liver
> > (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> > vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of
Carson's cod
> > liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> > vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> > use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love
those
> > that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic
fruity
> > taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> > heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware
that
> > excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots
of herbs
> > and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and
spices are also
> > good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> > consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> > alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> > (plant-source omega-3).
> >
> > Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
> >
> > >   Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> > >
> > > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has
commented on
> > > the topic before.
> > >
> > > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days
doing my
> > > metabolic shift.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

#330

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 7:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

Hi again,

The floor of carbohydrate intake is as low as possible during the downcycle. Rob writes in HNE that bodybuilders, who often are more dedicated to perfection, should aim as low as possible, maybe below 20 grams a day like in the metabolic shift.

Simon

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 5:56 PM, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Simon,

So far my fave flavor is Banana Creme. Add the Peanut Butter to that and it's tempting to have more than just one serving! For awhile I was doing non-flavored Whey Protein powder and those Crystal Light flavor packs, but - again, trial and error - I realized that the more I had of those non-caloric sweeteners (including diet soda), the harder it was for me to burn fat. Odd, considering they had no carbohydrates, but they're all artificial, so I guess I shouldn't be surpised. Right now, I only drink water. A diet soda is very rare, but I will have one occassionally. Unfortunately, my 2 weeks of active duty are coming up in July, and that means either eat MREs (jam-packed with carbs) or starve. This will destroy my eating plan, and I'll have to re-start afterwards, but it doesn't mean I can't control portions while eating them. Realistically, one MRE can last the whole day, instead of eating 1 for each meal. Anyway, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

I haven't read (but I plan to pruchase) HIE. I should note that my workouts during the week consist of the following: Mon/Tues and Thurs/Fri I run distance in the morning and lift weights in the afternoon (chest&triceps Mon/Thurs, back&biceps&legs Tues/Fri). Wednesday I do interval running training in the morning and evening, such as jumping rope or playing intramural soccer (lots of quick, short sprints). Saturdays I work out once a day, usually a distance run or bike ride. I would love to do more interval/sprint work as part of my training, but I have a nagging hamstring from college football that needs to be "repaired" before I can do so. I'll definitely try and add more as the Summer heats up.

I see your point about being MORE stringent than what Rob advocates, and I certainly need it during the induction phase (it's amazing the progress I can see from week to week as my lovehandles get smaller!). But you know, the one question I had that Rob doesn't answer in his book is, when on the macronutrient cycling he says to have 30-60 grams of carbs a day...does he use the number 30 as a floor and 60 as a ceiling? OR does he use the general range of 30-60 as a ceiling, and the floor can be anywhere from 0-29?

Also, it's good to see the forum alive and well again.

On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

DaWrestla,

Sounds like a good protein shake.

Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise) program? Depending on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight lifting workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less intensity then maybe it works for you to achieve your objectives.

I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift - rather don't you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind that people need a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate from the principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course probably struggle with being stringent enough...

Good luck!

Simon

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Awesome.

Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use 100% Whey protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the flavor; 0 grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all natural peanut putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein) for a grand total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of carbs. I tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made completely overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor, so I decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each after my morning (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.

I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about 40lbs (in addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the afternoon 5x a week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I enlisted in the Navy (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food quality, but mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal is a bad idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the NHE diet and am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking forward to shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my college football days are over).

And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew", but I found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits of the NHE plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find that in only 1 week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any thoughts?

On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Certainly.

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?

On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#329

From: DaWrestla <dawrestla@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

wrestlerbutter

Offline

Simon,

So far my fave flavor is Banana Creme. Add the Peanut Butter to that and it's tempting to have more than just one serving! For awhile I was doing non-flavored Whey Protein powder and those Crystal Light flavor packs, but - again, trial and error - I realized that the more I had of those non-caloric sweeteners (including diet soda), the harder it was for me to burn fat. Odd, considering they had no carbohydrates, but they're all artificial, so I guess I shouldn't be surpised. Right now, I only drink water. A diet soda is very rare, but I will have one occassionally. Unfortunately, my 2 weeks of active duty are coming up in July, and that means either eat MREs (jam-packed with carbs) or starve. This will destroy my eating plan, and I'll have to re-start afterwards, but it doesn't mean I can't control portions while eating them. Realistically, one MRE can last the whole day, instead of eating 1 for each meal. Anyway, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

I haven't read (but I plan to pruchase) HIE. I should note that my workouts during the week consist of the following: Mon/Tues and Thurs/Fri I run distance in the morning and lift weights in the afternoon (chest&triceps Mon/Thurs, back&biceps&legs Tues/Fri). Wednesday I do interval running training in the morning and evening, such as jumping rope or playing intramural soccer (lots of quick, short sprints). Saturdays I work out once a day, usually a distance run or bike ride. I would love to do more interval/sprint work as part of my training, but I have a nagging hamstring from college football that needs to be "repaired" before I can do so. I'll definitely try and add more as the Summer heats up.

I see your point about being MORE stringent than what Rob advocates, and I certainly need it during the induction phase (it's amazing the progress I can see from week to week as my lovehandles get smaller!). But you know, the one question I had that Rob doesn't answer in his book is, when on the macronutrient cycling he says to have 30-60 grams of carbs a day...does he use the number 30 as a floor and 60 as a ceiling? OR does he use the general range of 30-60 as a ceiling, and the floor can be anywhere from 0-29?

Also, it's good to see the forum alive and well again.

On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

DaWrestla,

Sounds like a good protein shake.

Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise) program? Depending on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight lifting workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less intensity then maybe it works for you to achieve your objectives.

I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift - rather don't you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind that people need a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate from the principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course probably struggle with being stringent enough...

Good luck!

Simon

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Awesome.

Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use 100% Whey protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the flavor; 0 grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all natural peanut putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein) for a grand total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of carbs. I tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made completely overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor, so I decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each after my morning (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.

I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about 40lbs (in addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the afternoon 5x a week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I enlisted in the Navy (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food quality, but mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal is a bad idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the NHE diet and am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking forward to shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my college football days are over).

And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew", but I found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits of the NHE plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find that in only 1 week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any thoughts?

On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Certainly.

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?

On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#328

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

DaWrestla,

Sounds like a good protein shake.

Do you follow the HIE (Hormonally Intelligent Exercise) program? Depending on your objectives and work-out intensity, maybe three weight lifting workouts a week will do. But if you lift with less intensity then maybe it works for you to achieve your objectives.

I don't see anything wrong with a longer metabolic shift - rather don't you think it's an advantage? Remember that Rob has in mind that people need a feasible plan that works - you don't necessarily deviate from the principles when you're more stringent! Most people of course probably struggle with being stringent enough...

Good luck!

Simon

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Awesome.

Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use 100% Whey protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the flavor; 0 grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all natural peanut putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein) for a grand total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of carbs. I tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made completely overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor, so I decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each after my morning (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.

I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about 40lbs (in addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the afternoon 5x a week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I enlisted in the Navy (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food quality, but mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal is a bad idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the NHE diet and am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking forward to shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my college football days are over).

And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew", but I found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits of the NHE plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find that in only 1 week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any thoughts?

On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Certainly.

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?

On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#327

From: DaWrestla <dawrestla@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 1:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

wrestlerbutter

Offline

Awesome.

Well, I was going to say that for the protein shake I use 100% Whey protein powder - flavored (2-5 grams of carbs, depending on the flavor; 0 grams of fat; 21 grams of protein) and a tablespoon of all natural peanut putter (2 grams of carbs, 8 grams of fat, 6 grams of protein) for a grand total of 27grams of protein, 8 grams of fat, and 4-7 grams of carbs. I tried the olive oil once, but found that even a little bit made completely overpowered the protein drink I was using with olive oil flavor, so I decided to forego that. I have this twice a day, once each after my morning (run) and afternoon (weights) workout.

I applied NHE for several months last year and lost about 40lbs (in addition to running in the morning and lifting weights in the afternoon 5x a week, and a bike ride on Saturdays). Unfortunately, I enlisted in the Navy (I'm a reservist) and the weight came back due to a) poor food quality, but mostly b) poor food choices on my part (dessert after every meal is a bad idea, but it sure kept my morale up!) Anyway, I'm back on the NHE diet and am currently on the induction phase. I am really looking forward to shedding this excess fat/weight that I no longer need (my college football days are over).

And I must say, I know Rob is completely against "witch's brew", but I found through trial and error that I don't get the full benefits of the NHE plan unless I do 2-3 weeks of the induction phase. I find that in only 1 week I don't sufficiently go into fat burning mode. Any thoughts?

On 5/8/08, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Certainly.

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?

On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#326

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 1:26 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

Certainly.

On 5/8/08, DaWrestla <dawrestla@...> wrote:

Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?

On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#325

From: DaWrestla <dawrestla@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

wrestlerbutter

Offline

Hey guys, this is just a test. Can you all see it?

On 5/8/08, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#324

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2008 7:50 am
Subject: Re: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

jrosart295

Offline

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/ProductDisplay/catalogId/10051/productId/11036/R/1095&saleCatalogId=10051

This is another multivitamin with good amounts of Vitamins A, B, E and magnesium, zinc, selenium and copper. Still needs more vitamin C though.

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:25 AM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"

<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>

> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> > Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#323

From: Sam Cook <aergeoooaaa@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Simon Denkel

aergeoooaaa

Offline

Hard to say but possible I just do not understand why he has lost all contact something must of happened.

Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Hi,

Well done applying NHE since 2003. It's a lifestyle health plan for the long term and your testimony adds further proof of its feasibility.

Rob was planning on marketing his supplement, write a report in calf exercises and maybe also produce another resistance training instruction video. It's been about a year and a half since I heard from him last. It would be good to hear from him again as he's been a great inspiration for all of us.

Could it be that Rob has gained bodyfat and has changed the course of his life, running for Superior Court Judge? http://votefaigin.com/index.html I don't quite recognize him though ;)

Simon

On 5/7/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Simon,
Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned 3
years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
publish those also.
Thanks

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

#322

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: Simon Denkel

play.rm

Offline

Hahaha! I also ended up at the page when I tried to find any new info
on him. Let's hope not ;)

Maybe Kjell Anderson knows something about Rob's absence. He was Robs
publisher and marketer if I remember things correctly? Don't know how
to reach him though.

The last Rob report is from 2005 so I guess he stopped writing them a
while ago.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Well done applying NHE since 2003. It's a lifestyle health plan for
the long
> term and your testimony adds further proof of its feasibility.
>
> Rob was planning on marketing his supplement, write a report in calf
> exercises and maybe also produce another resistance training instruction
> video. It's been about a year and a half since I heard from him last. It
> would be good to hear from him again as he's been a great
inspiration for
> all of us.
>
> Could it be that Rob has gained bodyfat and has changed the course
of his
> life, running for Superior Court Judge?
http://votefaigin.com/index.html I
> don't quite recognize him though ;)
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On 5/7/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi Simon,
> > Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
> > But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
> > Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
> > him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
> > release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned 3
> > years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
> > publish those also.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
>

#321

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

play.rm

Offline

To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).


--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> >   Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#320

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: Simon Denkel

simon_dankel

Offline

Hi,

Well done applying NHE since 2003. It's a lifestyle health plan for the long term and your testimony adds further proof of its feasibility.

Rob was planning on marketing his supplement, write a report in calf exercises and maybe also produce another resistance training instruction video. It's been about a year and a half since I heard from him last. It would be good to hear from him again as he's been a great inspiration for all of us.

Could it be that Rob has gained bodyfat and has changed the course of his life, running for Superior Court Judge? http://votefaigin.com/index.html I don't quite recognize him though ;)

Simon

On 5/7/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:

Hi Simon,
Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned 3
years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
publish those also.
Thanks

#319

From: "aergeoooaaa" <aergeoooaaa@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 12:27 pm
Subject: Simon Denkel

aergeoooaaa

Offline

Hi Simon,
Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned  3
years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
publish those also.
Thanks

#317

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

jrosart295

Offline

Funny thing about iron, I've read the Eades recommendation not to take an iron supplement, but have done it anyway since most of the multis have it in there. I'm also 27, and I think its more of a concern for older men (although I could be way off here).

I recently had an iron blood test as part of a physical at work, and my iron level came back low. Which is very strange considering the supplement, all the red meat I eat, and the fact that I'm a man! An infection could easily have accounted for this but I still found it strange. I'm thinking about having it tested again.

Of course, its known that heavy weightlifting or intense training increases the need for all nutrients, including iron. Tissues are torn down and replaced, although it was my understanding that the body recyclyed (most) of the iron.

My own 2 cents about micronutrition, I think selenium and vitamin E supplements are excellent. I take 400-500 IU vitamin E and 200 micrograms of selenium. Selenium's track record as a supplement is excellent compared to most, even Wikipedia (mostly) acknowledges it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Btw, my multisupplement doesn't contain iron - men should generally not supplement iron (you might want to consider giving blood instead, as iron can accumulate in the body and contribute to excess oxidative stress). Menstruating women may take a supplement with iron, but it might be a good idea to have your iron status checked.

Simon

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Hi Martin,

I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from Rob since. But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with sufficient dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is made from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are rather low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink and 300mg magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The optimal dosage of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than 1000g is not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is limited. Eat sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.

I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many vitamins and minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals, there is hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance in the body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view on this. Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of individual minerals - they function together and are best taken together in a natural balance.

Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine, chromium and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage cheese and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get enough (but not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the above plus use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other antioxidants - heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of herbs and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices are also good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A cheaper alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid (plant-source omega-3).

Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?

Good luck!

Simon

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#316

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

Btw, my multisupplement doesn't contain iron - men should generally not supplement iron (you might want to consider giving blood instead, as iron can accumulate in the body and contribute to excess oxidative stress). Menstruating women may take a supplement with iron, but it might be a good idea to have your iron status checked.

Simon

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Hi Martin,

I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from Rob since. But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with sufficient dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is made from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are rather low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink and 300mg magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The optimal dosage of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than 1000g is not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is limited. Eat sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.

I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many vitamins and minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals, there is hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance in the body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view on this. Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of individual minerals - they function together and are best taken together in a natural balance.

Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine, chromium and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage cheese and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get enough (but not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the above plus use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other antioxidants - heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of herbs and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices are also good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A cheaper alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid (plant-source omega-3).

Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?

Good luck!

Simon

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#315

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

Hi Martin,

I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from Rob since. But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with sufficient dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is made from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are rather low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink and 300mg magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The optimal dosage of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than 1000g is not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is limited. Eat sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.

I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many vitamins and minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals, there is hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance in the body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view on this. Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of individual minerals - they function together and are best taken together in a natural balance.

Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine, chromium and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage cheese and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get enough (but not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the above plus use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other antioxidants - heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of herbs and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices are also good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A cheaper alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid (plant-source omega-3).

Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?

Good luck!

Simon

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#314

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Sat May 3, 2008 2:47 pm
Subject: Supplements on the NHE-diet

play.rm

Offline

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#312

From: "Darren Fripp" <darrenfripp@...>
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:58 am
Subject: RE: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

educogym

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Hi,

We are using the general eating plan.

When we hear from Rob we will inform you.

Take care

Jackie & Darren

From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
Sent: 25 April 2008 20:14
To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

Hi Jackie and Darren!

Just visited your site. Pretty impressive before and after pictures.
Are you using the general or bodybuilders eating plan at your health
studio?

Sadly I must say that I think it's very hard to contact Rob in any
way. I've tried most ways without getting any respons. Please write
here if you get in touch with him. Would be nice to know what he's up
to nowadays.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Darren Fripp"
<darrenfripp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing
> very well on the NHE eating plan.
>
> I don't think this is ever done but we have great results with it.
>
> If you are interested you can look on our website HYPERLINK
> "http://www.bodynaturalgym.com/"www.bodynaturalgym.com
>
> We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we
monitor
> our clients progress.
>
>
>
> Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients)
> about the NHE Eating Plan.
>
>
>
> Jackie & Darren
>
> Ireland
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
> Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
> To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!
>
>
>
> Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!
>
> It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
> actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
> van Polanen..don'-t know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
> lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
> back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
> I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
> it finally was released.
>
> I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
> the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
> release some supplements?
>
> I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
> bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
> Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
> Kjell.
>
> Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
> shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
> HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com"HormonalFitness@...,
> "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still around ;)
> >
> > I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> > correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> > supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back
or wait
> > until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
> approval of
> > the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
> >
> > I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
> continue
> > to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
> the low
> > activity on here is because people seeking info today find other
sources
> > that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
> there aren't
> > anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
> attracted
> > towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
> sell lots
> > of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
> selling
> > the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
> only so
> > much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
> >
> > Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
> edge
> > obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
> interested
> > in a good discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE
website. The
> > > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
> moderator to
> > > ban all the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
> heard
> > > from him in ages.
> > >
> > > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
> times,
> > > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
> as well.
> > >
> > > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering
for a
> > > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
> stood the
> > > test of time.
> > >
> > > What has been your experience?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
> this diet.
> > > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
> 100% spam.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
> posts
> > > > since 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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#311

From: Mark Tallant <hufeeling@...>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

hufeeling

Offline

Hey guys

Good to hear a little chatter out there. I guess I need to re-read the book. I don't seem to have the results you guys speak of. I am not working out right now but am heavily into the diet. I would assume the work out is the catalyst to the whole project?? I'm just a 20lb lighter - fat guy.

I am also a platelet donor every Monday evening. My blood is removed, platelets spun out, anti-coagulant added and returned to my arm. Would you guys know if that additive might be part of my problem, loading me up on carbs an additional time in my week? Can't seem to get any answers from the Blood Bank folks.

C. M.

----- Original Message ----
From: play.rm <rockdude@...>
To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:13:41 PM
Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

Hi Jackie and Darren!

Just visited your site. Pretty impressive before and after pictures.
Are you using the general or bodybuilders eating plan at your health
studio?

Sadly I must say that I think it's very hard to contact Rob in any
way. I've tried most ways without getting any respons. Please write
here if you get in touch with him. Would be nice to know what he's up
to nowadays.

--- In HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com, "Darren Fripp"
<darrenfripp@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing
> very well on the NHE eating plan.
>
> I don't think this is ever done but we have great results with it.
>
> If you are interested you can look on our website HYPERLINK
> "http://www.bodynatu ralgym.com/"www.bodynaturalgym .com
>
> We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we
monitor
> our clients progress.
>
>
>
> Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients)
> about the NHE Eating Plan.
>
>
>
> Jackie & Darren
>
> Ireland
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of play.rm
> Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
> To: HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!
>
>
>
> Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!
>
> It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
> actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
> van Polanen..don' -t know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
> lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
> back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
> I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
> it finally was released.
>
> I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
> the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
> release some supplements?
>
> I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
> bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
> Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
> Kjell.
>
> Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
> shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
> HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:HormonalFit ness%40yahoogrou ps.com"HormonalF itness@.. .,
> "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still around ;)
> >
> > I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> > correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> > supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back
or wait
> > until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
> approval of
> > the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
> >
> > I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
> continue
> > to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
> the low
> > activity on here is because people seeking info today find other
sources
> > that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
> there aren't
> > anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
> attracted
> > towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
> sell lots
> > of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
> selling
> > the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
> only so
> > much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
> >
> > Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
> edge
> > obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
> interested
> > in a good discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@ > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE
website. The
> > > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
> moderator to
> > > ban all the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
> heard
> > > from him in ages.
> > >
> > > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
> times,
> > > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
> as well.
> > >
> > > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering
for a
> > > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
> stood the
> > > test of time.
> > >
> > > What has been your experience?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
> this diet.
> > > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
> 100% spam.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
> posts
> > > > since 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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#310

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

play.rm

Offline

Hi Jackie and Darren!

Just visited your site. Pretty impressive before and after pictures.
Are you using the general or bodybuilders eating plan at your health
studio?

Sadly I must say that I think it's very hard to contact Rob in any
way. I've tried most ways without getting any respons. Please write
here if you get in touch with him. Would be nice to know what he's up
to nowadays.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Darren Fripp"
<darrenfripp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing
> very well on the NHE eating plan.
>
> I don't think this is ever done but we have great results with it.
>
> If you are interested you can look on our website HYPERLINK
> "http://www.bodynaturalgym.com/"www.bodynaturalgym.com
>
> We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we
monitor
> our clients progress.
>
>
>
> Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients)
> about the NHE Eating Plan.
>
>
>
> Jackie & Darren
>
> Ireland
>
>
>
>    _____
>
> From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
> Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
> To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!
>
>
>
> Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!
>
> It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
> actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
> van Polanen..don'-t know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
> lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
> back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
> I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
> it finally was released.
>
> I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
> the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
> release some supplements?
>
> I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
> bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
> Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
> Kjell.
>
> Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
> shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
> HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com"HormonalFitness@...,
> "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still around ;)
> >
> > I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> > correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> > supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back
or wait
> > until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
> approval of
> > the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
> >
> > I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
> continue
> > to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
> the low
> > activity on here is because people seeking info today find other
sources
> > that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
> there aren't
> > anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
> attracted
> > towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
> sell lots
> > of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
> selling
> > the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
> only so
> > much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
> >
> > Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
> edge
> > obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
> interested
> > in a good discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE
website. The
> > > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
> moderator to
> > > ban all the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
> heard
> > > from him in ages.
> > >
> > > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
> times,
> > > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
> as well.
> > >
> > > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering
for a
> > > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
> stood the
> > > test of time.
> > >
> > > What has been your experience?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
> this diet.
> > > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
> 100% spam.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
> posts
> > > > since 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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#309

From: "Darren Fripp" <darrenfripp@...>
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:46 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

educogym

Offline

Hi,

We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing very well on the NHE eating plan.

I don’t think this is ever done but we have great results with it.

If you are interested you can look on our website www.bodynaturalgym.com

We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we monitor our clients progress.

Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients) about the NHE Eating Plan.

Jackie & Darren

Ireland

From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!

It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
van Polanen..don't know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
it finally was released.

I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
release some supplements?

I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
Kjell.

Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm still around ;)
>
> I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back or wait
> until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
approval of
> the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
>
> I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
continue
> to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
the low
> activity on here is because people seeking info today find other sources
> that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
there aren't
> anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
attracted
> towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
sell lots
> of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
selling
> the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
only so
> much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
>
> Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
edge
> obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
interested
> in a good discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Simon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The
> > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
moderator to
> > ban all the riff-raff.
> >
> > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
heard
> > from him in ages.
> >
> > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
times,
> > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
as well.
> >
> > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a
> > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
stood the
> > test of time.
> >
> > What has been your experience?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
this diet.
> > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
100% spam.
> > >
> > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > >
> > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
posts
> > > since 2007.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > /Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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#308

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

play.rm

Offline

Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!

It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
van Polanen..don't know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
it finally was released.

I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
release some supplements?

I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
Kjell.

Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm still around ;)
>
> I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back or wait
> until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
approval of
> the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
>
> I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
continue
> to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
the low
> activity on here is because people seeking info today find other sources
> that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
there aren't
> anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
attracted
> towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
sell lots
> of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
selling
> the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
only so
> much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
>
> Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
edge
> obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
interested
> in a good discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Simon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> >   Hi Martin,
> >
> > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The
> > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
moderator to
> > ban all the riff-raff.
> >
> > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
heard
> > from him in ages.
> >
> > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
times,
> > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
as well.
> >
> > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a
> > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
stood the
> > test of time.
> >
> > What has been your experience?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:
> >
> > >   Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
this diet.
> > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
100% spam.
> > >
> > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > >
> > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
posts
> > > since 2007.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > /Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

#307

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

simon_dankel

Offline

Hi,

I'm still around ;)

I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back or wait until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get approval of the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.

I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I continue to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think the low activity on here is because people seeking info today find other sources that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out there aren't anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people attracted towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to sell lots of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in selling the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's only so much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.

Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting edge obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always interested in a good discussion.

Best regards,
Simon

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

Hi Martin,

You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the moderator to ban all the riff-raff.

Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't heard from him in ages.

My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3 times, most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great as well.

Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have stood the test of time.

What has been your experience?

Cheers,

Joel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:

Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use this diet.
I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was 100% spam.

Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
pictures and no one answers when I email them.

Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any posts
since 2007.

Greetings

/Martin

#306

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:19 am
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

jrosart295

Offline

Hi Martin,

You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the moderator to ban all the riff-raff.

Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't heard from him in ages.

My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3 times, most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great as well.

Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have stood the test of time.

What has been your experience?

Cheers,

Joel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:

Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use this diet.
I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was 100% spam.

Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
pictures and no one answers when I email them.

Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any posts
since 2007.

Greetings

/Martin

#305

From: "play.rm" <Play@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:28 am
Subject: Back on the NHE-diet!

play.rm

Offline

Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use this diet.
I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was 100% spam.

Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
much down. There's no  way to order stuff, broken links, broken
pictures and no one answers when I email them.

Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any posts
since 2007.

Greetings

/Martin

#299

From: "dwhaatever" <hyredave@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

dwhaatever

Offline

Hi Joel,

Wonder if fiber actually rubs off any more living cells than say, a
wash cloth on skin?

I suppose it depends how far you want to take it. The followers of
colonic irrigation say that any wheat or oat fiber is bad for the
digestive system. Brown rice fiber is the only one gentle enough for
human consumption.

Best Wishes,

Dave



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Rosart"
<joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> This isn't something I've looked into but its certainly
interesting. Do you
> have any more background as to why it interests you?
>
> On the surface, it would appear that increasing Sex Hormone-Binding
Globulin
> would be a bad thing for hormonal enhancers. After all, we'd like
to have as
> much bio-available testosterone as possible, and not have it bound
to SHBG.
>
> Are any of these studies double-blind or are they all
epidemiological? SHBG
> is affected by so many factors, like insulin levels.
>
> Its been a while since I've read NHE, but it appears that an
insulin spike
> from carb loading would drastically reduce SHBG levels for a while
since
> insulin stimulates IGF-1 production, and both insulin and IGF-1
suppress
> SHBG.
>
> The track record for fiber being good for anything is pretty
dismal. Here's
> an interesting artical that Michael Eades wrote on it:
>
> http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/a-cautionary-tale-
of-mucus-fore-and-aft/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2008 1:59 PM, ross.nara <ross.nara@...> wrote:
>
> >   Hey all,
> > I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases
SHBG,
> > though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any
suggestions
> > as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?
> >
> >
> >
>

#298

From: "dwhaatever" <hyredave@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:50 am
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

dwhaatever

Offline

One more. This is bodybuilder stuff, but it lists a few high fiber
foods, mostly pungent plant matter (cabbage, garlic, and others), that
increase testo:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0801/is_1_66/ai_n8583377

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "ross.nara" <ross.nara@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
> though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any
suggestions
> as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?
>

#297

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:48 am
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

jrosart295

Offline

Hi Ross,

This isn't something I've looked into but its certainly interesting. Do you have any more background as to why it interests you?

On the surface, it would appear that increasing Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin would be a bad thing for hormonal enhancers. After all, we'd like to have as much bio-available testosterone as possible, and not have it bound to SHBG.

Are any of these studies double-blind or are they all epidemiological? SHBG is affected by so many factors, like insulin levels.

Its been a while since I've read NHE, but it appears that an insulin spike from carb loading would drastically reduce SHBG levels for a while since insulin stimulates IGF-1 production, and both insulin and IGF-1 suppress SHBG.

The track record for fiber being good for anything is pretty dismal. Here's an interesting artical that Michael Eades wrote on it:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/a-cautionary-tale-of-mucus-fore-and-aft/

Cheers,

Joel

On Feb 14, 2008 1:59 PM, ross.nara <ross.nara@...> wrote:

Hey all,
I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any suggestions
as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?

#296

From: "dwhaatever" <hyredave@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:33 am
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

dwhaatever

Offline

Greetings from Sapporo. I've bought all of Rob's stuff and am a
little bummed out that he hasn't answered any of my mails, but would
like to participate.

I wonder if the SHBG levels are a result of more gradual sugar
delivery/ decrease in baseline insulin caused by increase in fiber or
if it would be due to some other factor?

I was only able to locate this one abstract on the topic:

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/8/2249

What other factors from the human gene pool adaptation?

Maybe the body thinks we're eating tree bark and need a dose of testo
to get our butts in gear to look for more substantial food?

Don't know, any others?

Best Wishes,

Dave

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "ross.nara" <ross.nara@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
> though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any
suggestions
> as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?
>

#295

From: "ross.nara" <ross.nara@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:59 am
Subject: Fiber and SHBG

ross.nara

Offline

Hey all,
I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any suggestions
as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?