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Hahaha! I also ended up at the page when I tried to find any new info
on him. Let's hope not ;)

Maybe Kjell Anderson knows something about Rob's absence. He was Robs
publisher and marketer if I remember things correctly? Don't know how
to reach him though.

The last Rob report is from 2005 so I guess he stopped writing them a
while ago.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Well done applying NHE since 2003. It's a lifestyle health plan for
the long
> term and your testimony adds further proof of its feasibility.
>
> Rob was planning on marketing his supplement, write a report in calf
> exercises and maybe also produce another resistance training instruction
> video. It's been about a year and a half since I heard from him last. It
> would be good to hear from him again as he's been a great
inspiration for
> all of us.
>
> Could it be that Rob has gained bodyfat and has changed the course
of his
> life, running for Superior Court Judge?
http://votefaigin.com/index.html I
> don't quite recognize him though ;)
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On 5/7/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi Simon,
> > Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
> > But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
> > Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
> > him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
> > release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned 3
> > years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
> > publish those also.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
>

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#321

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

play.rm

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To bad he didn't finish his AM/PM-formula. I would have bought it
right away.

Just googled Solaray Spektro and it seems like a nice supplement. Do
you really need to supplement extra vitamin C even though your taking
Solaray Spektro and eating according to NHE-principles? Do you use it
every day or just now and then?

I haven't bought any multivitamins yet, but I must say that I'm
tempted to try Solaray Spektro (pretty expensive though..but you get
what you pay for I guess). Thanks for the info.
The only thing I'm take now is my homemade performancedrink containing
proteinpowder and oliveoil (Robs advice).


--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of
> developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many
> multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from
Rob since.
> But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with
sufficient
> dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is
made
> from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high
> bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are
rather
> low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink
and 300mg
> magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The
optimal dosage
> of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than
1000g is
> not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is
limited. Eat
> sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.
>
> I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example
> dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many
vitamins and
> minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals,
there is
> hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance
in the
> body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view
on this.
> Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of
> individual minerals - they function together and are best taken
together in
> a natural balance.
>
> Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine,
chromium
> and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage
cheese
> and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get
enough (but
> not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver
> (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for
> vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod
> liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B
> vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the
above plus
> use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those
> that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity
> taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other
antioxidants -
> heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that
> excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of
herbs
> and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices
are also
> good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to
> consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A
cheaper
> alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid
> (plant-source omega-3).
>
> Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?
>
> Good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:
>
> >   Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?
> >
> > Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
> > Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
> > the topic before.
> >
> > On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
> > metabolic shift.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
>

#320

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: Simon Denkel

simon_dankel

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Hi,

Well done applying NHE since 2003. It's a lifestyle health plan for the long term and your testimony adds further proof of its feasibility.

Rob was planning on marketing his supplement, write a report in calf exercises and maybe also produce another resistance training instruction video. It's been about a year and a half since I heard from him last. It would be good to hear from him again as he's been a great inspiration for all of us.

Could it be that Rob has gained bodyfat and has changed the course of his life, running for Superior Court Judge? http://votefaigin.com/index.html I don't quite recognize him though ;)

Simon

On 5/7/08, aergeoooaaa <aergeoooaaa@...> wrote:

Hi Simon,
Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned 3
years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
publish those also.
Thanks

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#319

From: "aergeoooaaa" <aergeoooaaa@...>
Date: Wed May 7, 2008 12:27 pm
Subject: Simon Denkel

aergeoooaaa

Offline

Hi Simon,
Have you been able to contact rob. I have been applying nhe since 2003
But have not been on the forums in awhile. I have tried to email rob
Several times a few weeks ago but I have not received any answer from
him. I think Something has happened to Rob as he was supposed to
release a calve book And a nhe cook book and this was mentioned  3
years ago. Have you Received any new news letter from rob he used to
publish those also.
Thanks

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#317

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

jrosart295

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Funny thing about iron, I've read the Eades recommendation not to take an iron supplement, but have done it anyway since most of the multis have it in there. I'm also 27, and I think its more of a concern for older men (although I could be way off here).

I recently had an iron blood test as part of a physical at work, and my iron level came back low. Which is very strange considering the supplement, all the red meat I eat, and the fact that I'm a man! An infection could easily have accounted for this but I still found it strange. I'm thinking about having it tested again.

Of course, its known that heavy weightlifting or intense training increases the need for all nutrients, including iron. Tissues are torn down and replaced, although it was my understanding that the body recyclyed (most) of the iron.

My own 2 cents about micronutrition, I think selenium and vitamin E supplements are excellent. I take 400-500 IU vitamin E and 200 micrograms of selenium. Selenium's track record as a supplement is excellent compared to most, even Wikipedia (mostly) acknowledges it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium

On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Btw, my multisupplement doesn't contain iron - men should generally not supplement iron (you might want to consider giving blood instead, as iron can accumulate in the body and contribute to excess oxidative stress). Menstruating women may take a supplement with iron, but it might be a good idea to have your iron status checked.

Simon

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Hi Martin,

I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from Rob since. But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with sufficient dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is made from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are rather low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink and 300mg magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The optimal dosage of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than 1000g is not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is limited. Eat sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.

I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many vitamins and minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals, there is hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance in the body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view on this. Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of individual minerals - they function together and are best taken together in a natural balance.

Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine, chromium and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage cheese and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get enough (but not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the above plus use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other antioxidants - heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of herbs and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices are also good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A cheaper alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid (plant-source omega-3).

Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?

Good luck!

Simon

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#316

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

Btw, my multisupplement doesn't contain iron - men should generally not supplement iron (you might want to consider giving blood instead, as iron can accumulate in the body and contribute to excess oxidative stress). Menstruating women may take a supplement with iron, but it might be a good idea to have your iron status checked.

Simon

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Hi Martin,

I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from Rob since. But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with sufficient dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is made from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are rather low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink and 300mg magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The optimal dosage of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than 1000g is not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is limited. Eat sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.

I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many vitamins and minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals, there is hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance in the body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view on this. Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of individual minerals - they function together and are best taken together in a natural balance.

Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine, chromium and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage cheese and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get enough (but not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the above plus use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other antioxidants - heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of herbs and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices are also good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A cheaper alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid (plant-source omega-3).

Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?

Good luck!

Simon

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#315

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Sun May 4, 2008 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: Supplements on the NHE-diet

simon_dankel

Offline

Hi Martin,

I take a multivitamin and some vitamin C. Rob was in the process of developing a new supplement, "AM/PM Formula", more potent than many multivitamin/mineral supplements out there. We haven't heard from Rob since. But I think it's important you find a multivitamin/mineral with sufficient dosages and high bioavailability. My supplement (Solaray Spektro) is made from extraction of natural sources and is supposed to have high bioavailability. It contains 4mg zink and 75mg magnesium, which are rather low dosages. The optimal daily dosage is probably around 30mg zink and 300mg magnesium, but this would include what you get from food. The optimal dosage of vitamin C is probably about 200-1000g 1-3 times a day. More than 1000g is not necessary as uptake of whatever you take above 1000mg is limited. Eat sitrus fruits, red peppers etc. for vitamin C.

I also think that individuals have different requirements, for example dependent on previous eating habits. The body's status of many vitamins and minerals cannot be precisely determined (yet). As far as minerals, there is hair mineral analysis, which is supposed to reflect mineral balance in the body. I haven't personally researched this, and I don't Rob's view on this. Anyway, it might not always be such a good idea to take high dosages of individual minerals - they function together and are best taken together in a natural balance.

Eat (brazil) nuts and seafood for selenium and magnesium, iodine, chromium and copper. Organ meats are also good sources. Eat yoghurt, cottage cheese and sardines for calcium. As far as vitamins, make sure you get enough (but not too much) sun exposure to optimize your vitamin D status. Eat liver (pate?) and dark greens for vitamin K and A. Nuts and dark greens for vitamin E. It might be a good idea to take a spoon (5mg) of Carson's cod liver oil every day, for vitamin A, E, D and DHA/EPA. Beef etc. for B vitamins. For flavonoids and various antioxidants eat all of the above plus use a high quality extra virgin olive oil with your salads (I love those that haven't been filtered (the oil is unclear/foggy), fantastic fruity taste!). Eat slightly heated tomato for lycopene and other antioxidants - heating generally makes antioxidants more bioavailable (but beware that excessive heating reduces vitamin content). Another tip: use lots of herbs and spices when cooking, to protect fats from oxidation, and spices are also good sources of many minerals and antioxidants. You might also want to consider Udo's Choice oil blend, though it's somewhat expensive. A cheaper alternative is to use flax oil on your salads for alpha-linolenic acid (plant-source omega-3).

Anyone else with more micronutrition tips?

Good luck!

Simon

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM, play.rm <rockdude@...> wrote:

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#314

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Sat May 3, 2008 2:47 pm
Subject: Supplements on the NHE-diet

play.rm

Offline

Do any of you guys use supplements while on the NHE-eating plan?

Vitamins or maybe electrolyte supplements? Any recommendations?
Just interested in your thoughts about it. Or if Rob has commented on
the topic before.

On monday I will start my macronutrient cycling after 7 days doing my
metabolic shift.

Cheers

Martin

#312

From: "Darren Fripp" <darrenfripp@...>
Date: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:58 am
Subject: RE: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

educogym

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Hi,

We are using the general eating plan.

When we hear from Rob we will inform you.

Take care

Jackie & Darren

From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
Sent: 25 April 2008 20:14
To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

Hi Jackie and Darren!

Just visited your site. Pretty impressive before and after pictures.
Are you using the general or bodybuilders eating plan at your health
studio?

Sadly I must say that I think it's very hard to contact Rob in any
way. I've tried most ways without getting any respons. Please write
here if you get in touch with him. Would be nice to know what he's up
to nowadays.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Darren Fripp"
<darrenfripp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing
> very well on the NHE eating plan.
>
> I don't think this is ever done but we have great results with it.
>
> If you are interested you can look on our website HYPERLINK
> "http://www.bodynaturalgym.com/"www.bodynaturalgym.com
>
> We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we
monitor
> our clients progress.
>
>
>
> Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients)
> about the NHE Eating Plan.
>
>
>
> Jackie & Darren
>
> Ireland
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
> Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
> To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!
>
>
>
> Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!
>
> It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
> actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
> van Polanen..don'-t know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
> lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
> back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
> I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
> it finally was released.
>
> I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
> the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
> release some supplements?
>
> I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
> bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
> Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
> Kjell.
>
> Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
> shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
> HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com"HormonalFitness@...,
> "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still around ;)
> >
> > I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> > correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> > supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back
or wait
> > until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
> approval of
> > the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
> >
> > I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
> continue
> > to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
> the low
> > activity on here is because people seeking info today find other
sources
> > that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
> there aren't
> > anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
> attracted
> > towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
> sell lots
> > of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
> selling
> > the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
> only so
> > much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
> >
> > Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
> edge
> > obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
> interested
> > in a good discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE
website. The
> > > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
> moderator to
> > > ban all the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
> heard
> > > from him in ages.
> > >
> > > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
> times,
> > > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
> as well.
> > >
> > > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering
for a
> > > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
> stood the
> > > test of time.
> > >
> > > What has been your experience?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
> this diet.
> > > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
> 100% spam.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
> posts
> > > > since 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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#311

From: Mark Tallant <hufeeling@...>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

hufeeling

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Hey guys

Good to hear a little chatter out there. I guess I need to re-read the book. I don't seem to have the results you guys speak of. I am not working out right now but am heavily into the diet. I would assume the work out is the catalyst to the whole project?? I'm just a 20lb lighter - fat guy.

I am also a platelet donor every Monday evening. My blood is removed, platelets spun out, anti-coagulant added and returned to my arm. Would you guys know if that additive might be part of my problem, loading me up on carbs an additional time in my week? Can't seem to get any answers from the Blood Bank folks.

C. M.

----- Original Message ----
From: play.rm <rockdude@...>
To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:13:41 PM
Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

Hi Jackie and Darren!

Just visited your site. Pretty impressive before and after pictures.
Are you using the general or bodybuilders eating plan at your health
studio?

Sadly I must say that I think it's very hard to contact Rob in any
way. I've tried most ways without getting any respons. Please write
here if you get in touch with him. Would be nice to know what he's up
to nowadays.

--- In HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com, "Darren Fripp"
<darrenfripp@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing
> very well on the NHE eating plan.
>
> I don't think this is ever done but we have great results with it.
>
> If you are interested you can look on our website HYPERLINK
> "http://www.bodynatu ralgym.com/"www.bodynaturalgym .com
>
> We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we
monitor
> our clients progress.
>
>
>
> Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients)
> about the NHE Eating Plan.
>
>
>
> Jackie & Darren
>
> Ireland
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of play.rm
> Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
> To: HormonalFitness@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!
>
>
>
> Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!
>
> It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
> actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
> van Polanen..don' -t know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
> lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
> back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
> I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
> it finally was released.
>
> I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
> the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
> release some supplements?
>
> I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
> bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
> Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
> Kjell.
>
> Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
> shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
> HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:HormonalFit ness%40yahoogrou ps.com"HormonalF itness@.. .,
> "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still around ;)
> >
> > I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> > correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> > supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back
or wait
> > until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
> approval of
> > the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
> >
> > I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
> continue
> > to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
> the low
> > activity on here is because people seeking info today find other
sources
> > that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
> there aren't
> > anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
> attracted
> > towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
> sell lots
> > of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
> selling
> > the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
> only so
> > much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
> >
> > Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
> edge
> > obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
> interested
> > in a good discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@ > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE
website. The
> > > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
> moderator to
> > > ban all the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
> heard
> > > from him in ages.
> > >
> > > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
> times,
> > > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
> as well.
> > >
> > > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering
for a
> > > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
> stood the
> > > test of time.
> > >
> > > What has been your experience?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
> this diet.
> > > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
> 100% spam.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
> posts
> > > > since 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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#310

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

play.rm

Offline

Hi Jackie and Darren!

Just visited your site. Pretty impressive before and after pictures.
Are you using the general or bodybuilders eating plan at your health
studio?

Sadly I must say that I think it's very hard to contact Rob in any
way. I've tried most ways without getting any respons. Please write
here if you get in touch with him. Would be nice to know what he's up
to nowadays.

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Darren Fripp"
<darrenfripp@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing
> very well on the NHE eating plan.
>
> I don't think this is ever done but we have great results with it.
>
> If you are interested you can look on our website HYPERLINK
> "http://www.bodynaturalgym.com/"www.bodynaturalgym.com
>
> We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we
monitor
> our clients progress.
>
>
>
> Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients)
> about the NHE Eating Plan.
>
>
>
> Jackie & Darren
>
> Ireland
>
>
>
>    _____
>
> From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
> Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
> To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!
>
>
>
> Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!
>
> It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
> actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
> van Polanen..don'-t know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
> lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
> back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
> I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
> it finally was released.
>
> I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
> the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
> release some supplements?
>
> I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
> bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
> Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
> Kjell.
>
> Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
> shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
> HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.
>
> /Martin
>
> --- In HYPERLINK
> "mailto:HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com"HormonalFitness@...,
> "Simon Dankel"
> <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm still around ;)
> >
> > I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> > correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> > supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back
or wait
> > until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
> approval of
> > the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
> >
> > I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
> continue
> > to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
> the low
> > activity on here is because people seeking info today find other
sources
> > that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
> there aren't
> > anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
> attracted
> > towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
> sell lots
> > of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
> selling
> > the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
> only so
> > much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
> >
> > Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
> edge
> > obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
> interested
> > in a good discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE
website. The
> > > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
> moderator to
> > > ban all the riff-raff.
> > >
> > > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
> heard
> > > from him in ages.
> > >
> > > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
> times,
> > > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
> as well.
> > >
> > > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering
for a
> > > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
> stood the
> > > test of time.
> > >
> > > What has been your experience?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
> this diet.
> > > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
> 100% spam.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
> posts
> > > > since 2007.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings
> > > >
> > > > /Martin
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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#309

From: "Darren Fripp" <darrenfripp@...>
Date: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:46 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

educogym

Offline

Hi,

We own a Personal Training studio in Ireland and our customers are doing very well on the NHE eating plan.

I don’t think this is ever done but we have great results with it.

If you are interested you can look on our website www.bodynaturalgym.com

We would like to get in touch with Rob about our results because we monitor our clients progress.

Good to read that people are still enthusiastic as us (and our clients) about the NHE Eating Plan.

Jackie & Darren

Ireland

From: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of play.rm
Sent: 23 April 2008 20:31
To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HormonalFitness] Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!

It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
van Polanen..don't know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
it finally was released.

I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
release some supplements?

I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
Kjell.

Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm still around ;)
>
> I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back or wait
> until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
approval of
> the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
>
> I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
continue
> to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
the low
> activity on here is because people seeking info today find other sources
> that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
there aren't
> anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
attracted
> towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
sell lots
> of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
selling
> the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
only so
> much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
>
> Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
edge
> obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
interested
> in a good discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Simon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The
> > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
moderator to
> > ban all the riff-raff.
> >
> > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
heard
> > from him in ages.
> >
> > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
times,
> > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
as well.
> >
> > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a
> > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
stood the
> > test of time.
> >
> > What has been your experience?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
this diet.
> > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
100% spam.
> > >
> > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > >
> > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
posts
> > > since 2007.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > /Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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#308

From: "play.rm" <rockdude@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

play.rm

Offline

Nice to hear that you two are still using the NHE principles!

It was about three years ago since last time I was on the NHE-diet. I
actually remember your name Simon. I also remember someone called Guy
van Polanen..don't know if he's posted on this forum too. I think a
lot of us were discussing the up and coming Hormonal exercise-book
back then. First it was just a rumour, and then everyone got crazy :)
I remember that it was delayed and I checked for info every day until
it finally was released.

I think it's pretty sad that Rob is so mysterious. If I'm not wrong
the last Rob Report was published 2005. So since then he's tried to
release some supplements?

I remember that Rob didn't want NHE to be sold on any big commercial
bookstore. Well I just noticed that Amazon is selling Natural Hormonal
Enhancement. It's a pity that it's not being more advertised by Rob or
Kjell.

Well enough for now about that. Next monday I will start my Metabolic
shift and get back on track. I will combine the NHE-diet with
HST-training. I did just that three years ago with splendid results.

/Martin

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm still around ;)
>
> I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last
> correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM
> supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back or wait
> until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get
approval of
> the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.
>
> I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I
continue
> to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think
the low
> activity on here is because people seeking info today find other sources
> that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out
there aren't
> anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people
attracted
> towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to
sell lots
> of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in
selling
> the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's
only so
> much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.
>
> Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting
edge
> obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always
interested
> in a good discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Simon
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> >   Hi Martin,
> >
> > You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The
> > previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the
moderator to
> > ban all the riff-raff.
> >
> > Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't
heard
> > from him in ages.
> >
> > My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3
times,
> > most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great
as well.
> >
> > Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a
> > supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have
stood the
> > test of time.
> >
> > What has been your experience?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:
> >
> > >   Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use
this diet.
> > > I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was
100% spam.
> > >
> > > Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
> > > much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
> > > pictures and no one answers when I email them.
> > >
> > > Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any
posts
> > > since 2007.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > /Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

#307

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

simon_dankel

Offline

Hi,

I'm still around ;)

I have no idea what Rob has been up to the last few years. My last correspondence with him was about getting my money back for the AM/PM supplement that I had ordered. He suggested I get the money back or wait until the production was complete. I suspect they failed to get approval of the supplement due to high doses of certain vitamins.

I definitely agree with Joel that NHE has stood the test of time. I continue to follow the Eating Plan as part of my "lifestyle habit". I think the low activity on here is because people seeking info today find other sources that are more active. Unfortunately, I believe many sources out there aren't anywhere near the quality of NHE. I don't know how to get people attracted towards NHE again - but I'm sure Rob and Kjell would continue to sell lots of books with a new advertising campaign. Rob however believed in selling the books through word of mouth by virtue of their quality. There's only so much word of mouth can do 8 years after the release of a book.

Let's continue to stay in touch. I'm doing my PhD related to cutting edge obesity/metabolic syndrome research here in Norway and I'm always interested in a good discussion.

Best regards,
Simon

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

Hi Martin,

You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the moderator to ban all the riff-raff.

Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't heard from him in ages.

My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3 times, most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great as well.

Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have stood the test of time.

What has been your experience?

Cheers,

Joel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:

Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use this diet.
I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was 100% spam.

Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
pictures and no one answers when I email them.

Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any posts
since 2007.

Greetings

/Martin

#306

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:19 am
Subject: Re: Back on the NHE-diet!

jrosart295

Offline

Hi Martin,

You're right, pretty much dead around here and on the NHE website. The previous Yahoo group was abandoned after we couldn't find the moderator to ban all the riff-raff.

Simon was always the best outlet for Rob related news but haven't heard from him in ages.

My experience with NHE and HIE was that after reading them 2 or 3 times, most of my questions were answered. The Ask Rob section is great as well.

Its a shame that nothing else has been written (I was hankering for a supplement review) but it seems that the principles of NHE have stood the test of time.

What has been your experience?

Cheers,

Joel

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 2:28 PM, play.rm <Play@...> wrote:

Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use this diet.
I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was 100% spam.

Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
much down. There's no way to order stuff, broken links, broken
pictures and no one answers when I email them.

Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any posts
since 2007.

Greetings

/Martin

#305

From: "play.rm" <Play@...>
Date: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:28 am
Subject: Back on the NHE-diet!

play.rm

Offline

Wow I glad to see that there are still some people that use this diet.
I tried joining the other NHE-group here on Yahoo, but it was 100% spam.

Anyways, what's Rob up to now? The NHE Homepage seems to be pretty
much down. There's no  way to order stuff, broken links, broken
pictures and no one answers when I email them.

Anyone alive on this forum? Just saw that there hasn't been any posts
since 2007.

Greetings

/Martin

#299

From: "dwhaatever" <hyredave@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:16 pm
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

dwhaatever

Offline

Hi Joel,

Wonder if fiber actually rubs off any more living cells than say, a
wash cloth on skin?

I suppose it depends how far you want to take it. The followers of
colonic irrigation say that any wheat or oat fiber is bad for the
digestive system. Brown rice fiber is the only one gentle enough for
human consumption.

Best Wishes,

Dave



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Rosart"
<joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> This isn't something I've looked into but its certainly
interesting. Do you
> have any more background as to why it interests you?
>
> On the surface, it would appear that increasing Sex Hormone-Binding
Globulin
> would be a bad thing for hormonal enhancers. After all, we'd like
to have as
> much bio-available testosterone as possible, and not have it bound
to SHBG.
>
> Are any of these studies double-blind or are they all
epidemiological? SHBG
> is affected by so many factors, like insulin levels.
>
> Its been a while since I've read NHE, but it appears that an
insulin spike
> from carb loading would drastically reduce SHBG levels for a while
since
> insulin stimulates IGF-1 production, and both insulin and IGF-1
suppress
> SHBG.
>
> The track record for fiber being good for anything is pretty
dismal. Here's
> an interesting artical that Michael Eades wrote on it:
>
> http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/a-cautionary-tale-
of-mucus-fore-and-aft/
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2008 1:59 PM, ross.nara <ross.nara@...> wrote:
>
> >   Hey all,
> > I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases
SHBG,
> > though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any
suggestions
> > as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?
> >
> >
> >
>

#298

From: "dwhaatever" <hyredave@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:50 am
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

dwhaatever

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One more. This is bodybuilder stuff, but it lists a few high fiber
foods, mostly pungent plant matter (cabbage, garlic, and others), that
increase testo:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0801/is_1_66/ai_n8583377

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "ross.nara" <ross.nara@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
> though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any
suggestions
> as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?
>

#297

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:48 am
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

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Hi Ross,

This isn't something I've looked into but its certainly interesting. Do you have any more background as to why it interests you?

On the surface, it would appear that increasing Sex Hormone-Binding Globulin would be a bad thing for hormonal enhancers. After all, we'd like to have as much bio-available testosterone as possible, and not have it bound to SHBG.

Are any of these studies double-blind or are they all epidemiological? SHBG is affected by so many factors, like insulin levels.

Its been a while since I've read NHE, but it appears that an insulin spike from carb loading would drastically reduce SHBG levels for a while since insulin stimulates IGF-1 production, and both insulin and IGF-1 suppress SHBG.

The track record for fiber being good for anything is pretty dismal. Here's an interesting artical that Michael Eades wrote on it:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/a-cautionary-tale-of-mucus-fore-and-aft/

Cheers,

Joel

On Feb 14, 2008 1:59 PM, ross.nara <ross.nara@...> wrote:

Hey all,
I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any suggestions
as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?

#296

From: "dwhaatever" <hyredave@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:33 am
Subject: Re: Fiber and SHBG

dwhaatever

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Greetings from Sapporo. I've bought all of Rob's stuff and am a
little bummed out that he hasn't answered any of my mails, but would
like to participate.

I wonder if the SHBG levels are a result of more gradual sugar
delivery/ decrease in baseline insulin caused by increase in fiber or
if it would be due to some other factor?

I was only able to locate this one abstract on the topic:

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/8/2249

What other factors from the human gene pool adaptation?

Maybe the body thinks we're eating tree bark and need a dose of testo
to get our butts in gear to look for more substantial food?

Don't know, any others?

Best Wishes,

Dave

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "ross.nara" <ross.nara@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
> though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any
suggestions
> as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?
>

#295

From: "ross.nara" <ross.nara@...>
Date: Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:59 am
Subject: Fiber and SHBG

ross.nara

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Hey all,
I have been looking into it and it seems that fiber increases SHBG,
though there may be other factors at play. Anybody have any suggestions
as to fiber intake and optimal T levels?

#289

From: "Keith Thomas" <keith@...>
Date: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:06 pm
Subject: Re: NHE hypothesis confirmed by new findings

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"Joel Rosart" wrote:
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> Rob talks about epidemiological studies on page 54 of NHE. As he points out,
> numerous studies have correlated fat intake with cardiovascular disease. But
> if any of us thought that these studies were true, then we wouldn't be
> following NHE! The problem of course is that all of these populations also
> have high sugar intakes, so its impossible to find the real culprit based on
> these studies.
>
> So an epidemiological study is pretty useless on its own, especially when a
> researcher's bias can determine what conclusions are made.

Joel, sorry for my tardy reply. As I read it, you are not criticizing
epidemiological studies as
such, just the poor methodology employed by some epidemiological researchers.

I agree with you that it's easy to link food intake of cholesterol or saturated
fats with heart
risk if you leave out all other aspects of diet and lifestyle. Another problem
is that lifestyle
diseases take many years to manifest themselves and so brief experiments are
bound to
miss important variables. Self-reporting is another problem (most people lie
about their
food intake, either deliberately, through forgetfulness or ignorance).

But to me this means that the epidemiological studies have been sloppy and that
better
research design, within the epidemiological paradigm, would be the best
solution. In fact, I
can't think of any better research design. Can you?

Keith

#283

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Sun Dec 9, 2007 10:34 am
Subject: Re: Re: NHE hypothesis confirmed by new findings

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Hi Keith and Joel,

Since you mentioned calorie restriction and life extension, you may be interested in an article I came across recently. It discusses glyceroneogenesis in skeletal muscle and ehanced physical performance in transgenic mice that overexpress the gluconeogenic enzyme PEPCK. I find this extremely interesting, as it counters the argument that calorie restriction is a key to longevity. It also suggests that the role of fatty acids in intensive physical activity is underrated.

Hakimi et al (2007) Over-expression of the cytosolic form of phosphoenolpyruvate carboxykinase (GTP) in skeletal muscle repatterns energy metabolism in the mouse. J. Biol. Chem., Aug 2007; doi:10.1074 /jbc.M706127200

Cheers!

Simon

On Dec 8, 2007 9:39 PM, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:

Hi Keith,

Rob talks about epidemiological studies on page 54 of NHE. As he points out, numerous studies have correlated fat intake with cardiovascular disease. But if any of us thought that these studies were true, then we wouldn't be following NHE! The problem of course is that all of these populations also have high sugar intakes, so its impossible to find the real culprit based on these studies.

So an epidemiological study is pretty useless on its own, especially when a researcher's bias can determine what conclusions are made.

You did make a very good point in your original post saying that "...they incorrectly assume that all food is equal." I couldn't agree more. I suspect that a lot of the mice studies that claim to support calorie restriction as a form of life extension are massively flawed in that the type of food fed is not considered. Do you think a human would be healthier eating 3000 calories of white flour per day, or 2000 calories? I think we all know the answer to that! And it certainly proves nothing about calorie restriction except to restrict crap calories!

Cheers,

Joel

On Dec 9, 2007 4:45 AM, Keith Thomas <keith@...> wrote:

"Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Uh oh, epidemiological study alert!
>
Hi, Joel

Could you elaborate on the reason for your wariness about epidemiological studies,
please? Is it a general skepticism of epidemiology, is it about the narrow focus of some
epidemiological research, or is it more about popular media oversimplification of research
reports?

Keith

#282

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: NHE hypothesis confirmed by new findings

jrosart295

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Hi Keith,

Rob talks about epidemiological studies on page 54 of NHE. As he points out, numerous studies have correlated fat intake with cardiovascular disease. But if any of us thought that these studies were true, then we wouldn't be following NHE! The problem of course is that all of these populations also have high sugar intakes, so its impossible to find the real culprit based on these studies.

So an epidemiological study is pretty useless on its own, especially when a researcher's bias can determine what conclusions are made.

You did make a very good point in your original post saying that "...they incorrectly assume that all food is equal." I couldn't agree more. I suspect that a lot of the mice studies that claim to support calorie restriction as a form of life extension are massively flawed in that the type of food fed is not considered. Do you think a human would be healthier eating 3000 calories of white flour per day, or 2000 calories? I think we all know the answer to that! And it certainly proves nothing about calorie restriction except to restrict crap calories!

Cheers,

Joel

On Dec 9, 2007 4:45 AM, Keith Thomas <keith@...> wrote:

"Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Uh oh, epidemiological study alert!
>
Hi, Joel

Could you elaborate on the reason for your wariness about epidemiological studies,
please? Is it a general skepticism of epidemiology, is it about the narrow focus of some
epidemiological research, or is it more about popular media oversimplification of research
reports?

Keith

#281

From: "Keith Thomas" <keith@...>
Date: Sat Dec 8, 2007 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: NHE hypothesis confirmed by new findings

keiththomasau

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"Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Uh oh, epidemiological study alert!
>
Hi, Joel

Could you elaborate on the reason for your wariness about epidemiological
studies,
please? Is it a general skepticism of epidemiology, is it about the narrow focus
of some
epidemiological research, or is it more about popular media oversimplification
of research
reports?

Keith

#280

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: NHE hypothesis confirmed by new findings

jrosart295

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http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/2007/08/13/inflammation-and-intermittent-fasting/

Uh oh, epidemiological study alert!

I agree that fasting is probably healthy every now and again (just not during intense recovery periods!!!)

That said, I would have to say these healthy hearts are due to a healthier lifestyle practiced by Mormons. Let's face it, if someone can resist the temptation of food for an entire day once per month, they can also probably resist smoking, drinking, drugs and poor food in general.

I think Michael Eades has a very interesting collection of studies on the effects of fasting:

Cheers,

Joel

On Nov 15, 2007 6:43 AM, Keith Thomas <keith@...> wrote:

Hi, Simon, Joel and others.

The following article from New Scientist is
directly relevant to NHE, although the scientists
whi reported their research seem to have missed
the point - they incorrectly assume that all "food'
is equal.

========================

Fasting is good for the heart

10 November 2007
From New Scientist Print Edition.

THEY say that fasting purifies the mind. Now it
seems it may help keep the heart healthy too.

About three-quarters of the people of Utah are
Mormons, and many of them fast for a day every
month. Benjamin Horne from the Intermountain
Medical Center in Salt Lake City, Utah, asked
515 elderly people undergoing X-ray examinations
for suspected heart disease about their lifestyle.
Those who fasted were 39 per cent more likely
than non-fasters to have a healthy heart. The
results were presented at the American Heart
Association's Scientific Sessions in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday.

Horne thinks that fasting might slow the
development of diabetes, which narrows the
blood vessels and increases the risk of heart
disesase. Periodic withdrawal of food might
resensitise the insulin-producing beta cells,
a theory that is backed by animal studies.

From issue 2629 of New Scientist magazine,
10 November 2007, page 21
==============================

Keith

#279

From: "Keith Thomas" <keith@...>
Date: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:13 pm
Subject: NHE hypothesis confirmed by new findings

keiththomasau

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Hi, Simon, Joel and others.

The following article from New Scientist is
directly relevant to NHE, although the scientists
whi reported their research seem to have missed
the point - they incorrectly assume that all "food'
is equal.

========================

Fasting is good for the heart

	 	  10 November 2007
	 	  From New Scientist Print Edition.


THEY say that fasting purifies the mind. Now it
seems it may help keep the heart healthy too.

About three-quarters of the people of Utah are
Mormons, and many of them fast for a day every
month. Benjamin Horne from the Intermountain
Medical Center in Salt Lake City, Utah, asked
515 elderly people undergoing X-ray examinations
for suspected heart disease about their lifestyle.
Those who fasted were 39 per cent more likely
than non-fasters to have a healthy heart. The
results were presented at the American Heart
Association's Scientific Sessions in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday.

Horne thinks that fasting might slow the
development of diabetes, which narrows the
blood vessels and increases the risk of heart
disesase. Periodic withdrawal of food might
resensitise the insulin-producing beta cells,
a theory that is backed by animal studies.

From issue 2629 of New Scientist magazine,
10 November 2007, page 21
==============================

Keith

#269

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:33 am
Subject: How are you all doing?

simon_dankel

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Hi all!

We haven't seen much activity in the group in a while. I'm curious
to hear about your experiences with NHE in the last few years and
how you see the program now in light of the many discussions that
there continues to be about nutrition, lifestyle and health.

I personally find the principles of NHE spot on. I have never looked
back since starting to apply the principles, it's definitely a plan
to keep for life - both the Eating Plan and the hormonally
intelligent exercise program. In a hectic and tiring work schedule I
find doing HIE to a tee challenging at times, and allow myself an
extra day of rest here and there. This obviously halts my progress
towards optimal fitness, but I nonetheless maintain good shape and
slowly progressing now at the age of 27.

Hope to hear from some of you. I've really enjoyed our discussions
in the past.

Sincerely,
Simon

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#259

From: "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Stupid Gmail Spam Filters

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Hi Simon,

Well, I managed to get this message so it must have worked! Seems like its been pretty quiet anyhow.

Did anyone manage to save the ingredient list to Rob's supplements before they were yanked from the website? I've been scrutinizing my own supplementation regime but don't really have a guide to go by other than Rob's flu report!

Cheers,

Joel

On 7/31/07, Simon Dankel <simon.dankel@...> wrote:

Hi Joel,

Click on "Show search options" next to the Search the Web box. Choose to search for "HormonalFitness" or whatever relevant term in Spam. Select all, and click on the Not Spam box. I think this should work, and prevent future similar messages from being put in the Spam folder?

Cheers,
Simon

On 7/31/07, jrosart295 <joel.rosart@... > wrote:

Hi everyone,

It looks like Gmail has been dumping everything from my Yahoo groups
into Spam for the past few months.

Simon, I notice you have a Gmail account, have you found a workaround
for this? My spam folder is massive no its not just a matter of
plucking out the good ones.

Cheers,

Joel

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#258

From: "Simon Dankel" <simon.dankel@...>
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Stupid Gmail Spam Filters

simon_dankel

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