Hi Maria,

Did you try nheauthor@...? Maybe we can address your questions
here?

There have not been any signs from Rob lately. I certainly hope his
supplement development is working out. Does anyone have any clues as to
why it is taking so long, and whether Rob's plans have come across
unforeseen obstacles? I suspect there is a problem of approval.

Sincerely,
Simon


--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "paxpaces" <paxpaces@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> My name is Maria and I am trying to contact Rob on his page but my
> emails always bring back a delivery failure note.
> I am writing from Spain, Can someone give me a tip?
> Thank you.
>

Hello,
My name is Maria and I am trying to contact Rob on his page but my
emails always bring back a delivery failure note.
I am writing from Spain, Can someone give me a tip?
Thank you.

Hi,

I would like to know if you are on the Natural Diet for a period of
time would you have to alternate between fat and protein to alkaline
diet periodicaly in order to prevent an over acid system.

Darren

Hi,

Could anybody tell me the average results in fat loss and musle gain
obtained over for example a 2 week period on the Natural Diet.

Darren

Sounds good.

In regards to the workout time.  I have two choices.  5:30 am or
3:30pm.    Would the 3:30pm be considered earlier enough in the day
or should I move it to the am?   I was working out at 5:30am for a
few months, but I seemed to have more strength in the afternoon.
Does it make a difference hormonally?

And, now that you mention the insulinogenic effects of powder
protein, I do remember reading Robs information on this.  It's
strange but prior to your bringing this up, I was remembering the
lipolitic effect only.   I'll make the switch to whole food.   For
breakfast I was alternativing between omelets and protein powder.
I'll find something else besides the protein powder.

The next few weeks are going to be strange.   I'll be off with 90
students at a camp and then travelling on vacation.  It will be
interesting to see if I can stick with the NHE eating patterns during
this time.  Lifting will be light. (Calesthenics / makeshift setups
at best)

So, I may not be able to go full swing into this for two weeks. I
will probably need to start at the beginning of the NHE program on
return.    Once I'm back into my routine, and reaping the benefits,
I'll email you.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Jim


--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon
Dankel" <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> I suggest the following changes if you can implement them:
>
> - reduce protein intake to about 30grams per meal (at least 15grams
in
> downcycle)
> - substitute your protein powder meals with whole foods, including
fresh
> vegetables, except when pre/post workout
> - exercise earlier in the day
> - 4 hours between meals max (preferrably closer to 3, than to
either 2 or
> 4+)
>
> I believe you can benefit from a fuller breakfast. Protein powder is
> relatively insulinogenic, and studies have shown that protein
hydrolysates
> can stimulate insulin more than carbohydrates. Rob has commented it
is more
> hormonally favorable to exercise earlier in the day.
>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
>
>
> On 2/10/07, jrpw10 <jrpw10@...> wrote:
> >
> >   --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Simon
> > Dankel" <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > At what time do you exercise?
> > >
> > > On 2/10/07, jrpw10 <jrpw10@> wrote:
> > I exercise usually from 5:00pm to 6:00pm
> > > >
> > > > Hi Simon,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your response.
> > > >
> > > > I will try the sunbed. I've never done that before. Currently
I
> > > > use a full spectrum light at home. It puts out no UV and it's
used
> > > > to activate neurotransmitters for alertness and feelings of
well
> > > > being by stimulating receptors in the retina. It "seems" to
work
> > > > for that.
> > > >
> > > > I will also cut down HIE exercise to 5 days.
> > > >
> > > > My activity during the 7 months of hibernation here in New
> > England is
> > > > limited. On workout days I get the ¾ to 1 hour of vigorous
> > activity
> > > > in the gym (6 days per week) and that daily nap of about 20
to 40
> > > > minutes.
> > > >
> > > > On weekdays at work it's standing and walking around in a
> > > > classroom (250 minutes), scurrying (fast walk) (total 10 mins)
> > > > across and up and down flights in a large building to get to
> > > > meetings (sitting) (total 110 mins) on time.
> > > >
> > > > Afterwards, if I'm not shopping or doing laundry, it's up the
3
> > > > flights and then sitting for a couple of hours doing paper /
> > computer
> > > > work. After that it's a few more hours of either hanging out
with
> > > > friends (slow walks, billiards, or couch / table talk)
Frequently
> > > > it's hanging out at home on the phone, cooking, watching T.V.
> > > >
> > > > I sleep 7.5 to 8 hours per night turning in at about 10 and
waking
> > > > between 5:30 and 6:00am
> > > >
> > > > That's it for the activity.
> > > >
> > > > As for the diet I will bring the protein down to 30g per meal/
> > snack.
> > > > I was thinking that getting up to the 50g was responsible for
my
> > > > 'fairly' good strength increases. I also was thinking that
protein
> > > > at that amount was lipolitic. I'll try a lesser amount to see
what
> > > > happens. Now, my diet is fairly regular. Here's a typical down
> > > > cycle day.
> > > >
> > > > 5:30 am breakfast - A shake - poteins vary daily (whey, egg,
non-
> > > > soy veg) 2 servings totaling approx. 45g protein, 1 tablespoon
> > > > flaxseed oil, 1 tsp pure cocoa powder, 1 tsp greens powder
(low
> > > > carb), 1 tablespoon cal/mag/vit d liquid) I also supplement
the
> > > > three traditional meals with a MV. digestive enzymes, and
vitamin
> > D.
> > > > And, in the morning only, I take a B12 tablet.
> > > >
> > > > 10:00 am snack - ½ cup mixed nuts / seeds and 1.5 ounces
> > mozzarella
> > > > cheese
> > > >
> > > > 12:00 Lunch – ¾ to 1 cup of salmon (or 6-8 ounces chicken
breast
> > or
> > > > beef and 1 tablespoon olive oil) (45 to 52 g protein and 14
to 30
> > g
> > > > fat), 5 ounces of spinach or some other green leafy,
tablespoon of
> > > > low carb salad dressing, celery, radishes, onion, tomato
mixed in.
> > > >
> > > > 3:30 Snack – Shake of 2 servings protein powder ( approx 45g
of
> > > > protein) nothing else
> > > >
> > > > 6:00 Dinner – 6-8 ounces of animal protein (chicken, beef,
> > turkey, or
> > > > fish), 1 cup varied vegetables (cole slaw or broccoli, (with
> > > > dressing) or stir fry, )
> > > >
> > > > 8:00 – protein shake or repeat of Dinner.
> > > >
> > > > The upcycle replaces the 6 and 8 pm meals with as-much-as-I-
can-
> > > > tolerate low GI carbs and some fruits.
> > > >
> > > > I also drink 2 to 3 liters of water per day. Alcohol and
coffee
> > are
> > > > taken in only on occasion
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate your problem solving with me here.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > --- In
HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > "Simon
> > > > Dankel" <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > >
> > > > > based on the information you give, I can suggest the
following
> > to
> > > > be more in
> > > > > accordance to NHE:
> > > > >
> > > > > - decrease protein intake to about 30 grams per meal
> > > > > - do 2 cardio sessions a week, instead of 3, leaving you
with
> > two
> > > > days with
> > > > > no intensive exercise
> > > > > - use sunbed 2-3 times a week for 10-15 minutes
> > > > >
> > > > > If you provide more details about your food intake, maybe
we can
> > > > help you
> > > > > further.
> > > > >
> > > > > What's your activity level like at work and in your spare
time?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Simon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 2/10/07, jrpw10 <jrpw10@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For several months I've been at a stand still at 20% BF
and
> > I'm
> > > > > > trying to problem solve why I'm not heading toward my
goal of
> > 13-
> > > > > > 15%. I was down to 16% a couple of years ago, but
gradually
> > > > > > increased while going through some tough times. That has
past
> > now
> > > > > > and I seem to be stuck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm wondering if age and stress might have something to do
> > with
> > > > it.
> > > > > > I'm 46 and I'm an inner city middle school teacher that's
> > pretty
> > > > much
> > > > > > off the charts in stress this year. To counter this, I nap
> > after
> > > > > > work for 3/4 hr and get on to exercise and some other fun
> > > > activities.
> > > > > > I live in New England. It's cold and I spend much time in
> > doors
> > > > (not
> > > > > > much light). I supplement with vitamin D, MV's etc. to
try to
> > > > > > counter the loss of light.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the postive side, I exercise daily in what I think is
in
> > > > > > accordance with Rob's exercise guidelines. I lift 3 times
per
> > week
> > > > > > and do interval aerobic exercises 3 times per week. My
energy
> > is
> > > > > > good and my lifting weights are on the slow but constant
> > increase.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think I am adhering correctly to the NHE eating plan. My
> > down
> > > > > > cycle consists of 5 meals per day each containing 45 to 50
> > grams
> > > > of
> > > > > > protein. Per day I take in either 2 tablespoons of flax
oil
> > or two
> > > > > > servings of dark fish like salmon or mackeral or
sardines. I
> > eat
> > > > fat
> > > > > > burning vegetables with about 3 or 4 of the meals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesdays and Saturdays are my upcycle. I don't count
but I
> > eat
> > > > my
> > > > > > fill of carbs in the last two meals of the day at 4 and
7:30
> > pm
> > > > > > They are generally low GI (oatmeal, grits, whole grain
breads,
> > > > Whole
> > > > > > grain pastas, sweet potatoes, apple, pear etc)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (I weight 165, BF 20%)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Should I restart for 10 days at 20g carbs? Should I
decrease
> > the
> > > > > > protein / fat / carbs. Could stress be the main problem
here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your ideas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon
Dankel" <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> At what time do you exercise?
>
> On 2/10/07, jrpw10 <jrpw10@...> wrote:
I exercise usually from 5:00pm to 6:00pm
> >
> >   Hi Simon,
> >
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > I will try the sunbed. I've never done that before. Currently I
> > use a full spectrum light at home. It puts out no UV and it's used
> > to activate neurotransmitters for alertness and feelings of well
> > being by stimulating receptors in the retina. It "seems" to work
> > for that.
> >
> > I will also cut down HIE exercise to 5 days.
> >
> > My activity during the 7 months of hibernation here in New
England is
> > limited. On workout days I get the ¾ to 1 hour of vigorous
activity
> > in the gym (6 days per week) and that daily nap of about 20 to 40
> > minutes.
> >
> > On weekdays at work it's standing and walking around in a
> > classroom (250 minutes), scurrying (fast walk) (total 10 mins)
> > across and up and down flights in a large building to get to
> > meetings (sitting) (total 110 mins) on time.
> >
> > Afterwards, if I'm not shopping or doing laundry, it's up the 3
> > flights and then sitting for a couple of hours doing paper /
computer
> > work. After that it's a few more hours of either hanging out with
> > friends (slow walks, billiards, or couch / table talk) Frequently
> > it's hanging out at home on the phone, cooking, watching T.V.
> >
> > I sleep 7.5 to 8 hours per night turning in at about 10 and waking
> > between 5:30 and 6:00am
> >
> > That's it for the activity.
> >
> > As for the diet I will bring the protein down to 30g per meal/
snack.
> > I was thinking that getting up to the 50g was responsible for my
> > 'fairly' good strength increases. I also was thinking that protein
> > at that amount was lipolitic. I'll try a lesser amount to see what
> > happens. Now, my diet is fairly regular. Here's a typical down
> > cycle day.
> >
> > 5:30 am breakfast - A shake - poteins vary daily (whey, egg, non-
> > soy veg) 2 servings totaling approx. 45g protein, 1 tablespoon
> > flaxseed oil, 1 tsp pure cocoa powder, 1 tsp greens powder (low
> > carb), 1 tablespoon cal/mag/vit d liquid) I also supplement the
> > three traditional meals with a MV. digestive enzymes, and vitamin
D.
> > And, in the morning only, I take a B12 tablet.
> >
> > 10:00 am snack - ½ cup mixed nuts / seeds and 1.5 ounces
mozzarella
> > cheese
> >
> > 12:00 Lunch – ¾ to 1 cup of salmon (or 6-8 ounces chicken breast
or
> > beef and 1 tablespoon olive oil) (45 to 52 g protein and 14 to 30
g
> > fat), 5 ounces of spinach or some other green leafy, tablespoon of
> > low carb salad dressing, celery, radishes, onion, tomato mixed in.
> >
> > 3:30 Snack – Shake of 2 servings protein powder ( approx 45g of
> > protein) nothing else
> >
> > 6:00 Dinner – 6-8 ounces of animal protein (chicken, beef,
turkey, or
> > fish), 1 cup varied vegetables (cole slaw or broccoli, (with
> > dressing) or stir fry, )
> >
> > 8:00 – protein shake or repeat of Dinner.
> >
> > The upcycle replaces the 6 and 8 pm meals with as-much-as-I-can-
> > tolerate low GI carbs and some fruits.
> >
> > I also drink 2 to 3 liters of water per day. Alcohol and coffee
are
> > taken in only on occasion
> >
> > I appreciate your problem solving with me here.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com
<HormonalFitness%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Simon
> > Dankel" <simon.dankel@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > based on the information you give, I can suggest the following
to
> > be more in
> > > accordance to NHE:
> > >
> > > - decrease protein intake to about 30 grams per meal
> > > - do 2 cardio sessions a week, instead of 3, leaving you with
two
> > days with
> > > no intensive exercise
> > > - use sunbed 2-3 times a week for 10-15 minutes
> > >
> > > If you provide more details about your food intake, maybe we can
> > help you
> > > further.
> > >
> > > What's your activity level like at work and in your spare time?
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Simon
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/10/07, jrpw10 <jrpw10@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > For several months I've been at a stand still at 20% BF and
I'm
> > > > trying to problem solve why I'm not heading toward my goal of
13-
> > > > 15%. I was down to 16% a couple of years ago, but gradually
> > > > increased while going through some tough times. That has past
now
> > > > and I seem to be stuck.
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering if age and stress might have something to do
with
> > it.
> > > > I'm 46 and I'm an inner city middle school teacher that's
pretty
> > much
> > > > off the charts in stress this year. To counter this, I nap
after
> > > > work for 3/4 hr and get on to exercise and some other fun
> > activities.
> > > > I live in New England. It's cold and I spend much time in
doors
> > (not
> > > > much light). I supplement with vitamin D, MV's etc. to try to
> > > > counter the loss of light.
> > > >
> > > > On the postive side, I exercise daily in what I think is in
> > > > accordance with Rob's exercise guidelines. I lift 3 times per
week
> > > > and do interval aerobic exercises 3 times per week. My energy
is
> > > > good and my lifting weights are on the slow but constant
increase.
> > > >
> > > > I think I am adhering correctly to the NHE eating plan. My
down
> > > > cycle consists of 5 meals per day each containing 45 to 50
grams
> > of
> > > > protein. Per day I take in either 2 tablespoons of flax oil
or two
> > > > servings of dark fish like salmon or mackeral or sardines. I
eat
> > fat
> > > > burning vegetables with about 3 or 4 of the meals.
> > > >
> > > > Wednesdays and Saturdays are my upcycle. I don't count but I
eat
> > my
> > > > fill of carbs in the last two meals of the day at 4 and 7:30
pm
> > > > They are generally low GI (oatmeal, grits, whole grain breads,
> > Whole
> > > > grain pastas, sweet potatoes, apple, pear etc)
> > > >
> > > > (I weight 165, BF 20%)
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Should I restart for 10 days at 20g carbs? Should I decrease
the
> > > > protein / fat / carbs. Could stress be the main problem here?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Simon,

Thanks for your response.

I will try the sunbed.   I've never done that before.   Currently I
use a full spectrum light at home.  It puts out no UV and it's used
to activate neurotransmitters for alertness and feelings of well
being by stimulating receptors in the retina.   It "seems" to work
for that.

I will also cut down HIE exercise to 5 days.

My activity during the 7 months of hibernation here in New England is
limited.   On workout days I get the ¾ to 1 hour of vigorous activity
in the gym (6 days per week) and that daily nap of about 20 to 40
minutes.

    On weekdays at work it's standing and walking around in a
classroom (250 minutes), scurrying (fast walk) (total 10 mins)
across and up and down flights in a large building  to get to
meetings (sitting) (total 110 mins) on time.

Afterwards, if I'm not shopping or doing laundry, it's up the 3
flights and then sitting for a couple of hours doing paper / computer
work.   After that it's a few more hours of either hanging out with
friends (slow walks, billiards, or couch / table talk)   Frequently
it's hanging out at home on the phone, cooking, watching T.V.

I sleep 7.5 to 8 hours per night turning in at about 10 and waking
between 5:30 and 6:00am

That's it for the activity.

As for the diet I will bring the protein down to 30g per meal/snack.
I was thinking that getting up to the 50g was responsible for my
'fairly' good strength increases.  I also was thinking that protein
at that amount was lipolitic.  I'll try a lesser amount to see what
happens.  Now, my diet is fairly regular.  Here's a typical down
cycle day.

5:30 am breakfast   - A shake - poteins vary daily (whey, egg, non-
soy veg) 2 servings totaling approx. 45g protein,   1 tablespoon
flaxseed oil,  1 tsp pure cocoa powder,  1 tsp greens powder (low
carb), 1 tablespoon cal/mag/vit d liquid)   I also supplement the
three traditional meals with a MV. digestive enzymes, and  vitamin D.
And, in the morning only, I take a B12 tablet.

10:00 am snack  - ½ cup mixed nuts / seeds and 1.5 ounces mozzarella
cheese

12:00 Lunch –  ¾ to 1 cup of salmon (or 6-8 ounces chicken breast or
beef and 1 tablespoon olive oil) (45 to 52 g protein and 14 to 30 g
fat),   5 ounces of spinach or some other green leafy, tablespoon of
low carb salad dressing, celery, radishes, onion, tomato mixed in.

3:30 Snack – Shake of 2 servings protein powder ( approx 45g of
protein) nothing else

6:00 Dinner – 6-8 ounces of animal protein (chicken, beef, turkey, or
fish),  1 cup varied vegetables (cole slaw or  broccoli, (with
dressing) or  stir fry, )

8:00 – protein shake or repeat of Dinner.

The upcycle replaces the 6 and 8 pm meals with as-much-as-I-can-
tolerate low GI carbs and some fruits.

I also drink 2 to 3 liters of water per day.   Alcohol and coffee are
taken in only on occasion

I appreciate your problem solving with me here.


Jim

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon
Dankel" <simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> based on the information you give, I can suggest the following to
be more in
> accordance to NHE:
>
> - decrease protein intake to about 30 grams per meal
> - do 2 cardio sessions a week, instead of 3, leaving you with two
days with
> no intensive exercise
> - use sunbed 2-3 times a week for 10-15 minutes
>
> If you provide more details about your food intake, maybe we can
help you
> further.
>
> What's your activity level like at work and in your spare time?
>
> Sincerely,
> Simon
>
>
> On 2/10/07, jrpw10 <jrpw10@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi all,
> >
> > For several months I've been at a stand still at 20% BF and I'm
> > trying to problem solve why I'm not heading toward my goal of 13-
> > 15%. I was down to 16% a couple of years ago, but gradually
> > increased while going through some tough times. That has past now
> > and I seem to be stuck.
> >
> > I'm wondering if age and stress might have something to do with
it.
> > I'm 46 and I'm an inner city middle school teacher that's pretty
much
> > off the charts in stress this year. To counter this, I nap after
> > work for 3/4 hr and get on to exercise and some other fun
activities.
> > I live in New England. It's cold and I spend much time in doors
(not
> > much light). I supplement with vitamin D, MV's etc. to try to
> > counter the loss of light.
> >
> > On the postive side, I exercise daily in what I think is in
> > accordance with Rob's exercise guidelines. I lift 3 times per week
> > and do interval aerobic exercises 3 times per week. My energy is
> > good and my lifting weights are on the slow but constant increase.
> >
> > I think I am adhering correctly to the NHE eating plan. My down
> > cycle consists of 5 meals per day each containing 45 to 50 grams
of
> > protein. Per day I take in either 2 tablespoons of flax oil or two
> > servings of dark fish like salmon or mackeral or sardines. I eat
fat
> > burning vegetables with about 3 or 4 of the meals.
> >
> > Wednesdays and Saturdays are my upcycle. I don't count but I eat
my
> > fill of carbs in the last two meals of the day at 4 and 7:30 pm
> > They are generally low GI (oatmeal, grits, whole grain breads,
Whole
> > grain pastas, sweet potatoes, apple, pear etc)
> >
> > (I weight 165, BF 20%)
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Should I restart for 10 days at 20g carbs? Should I decrease the
> > protein / fat / carbs. Could stress be the main problem here?
> >
> > Thanks for your ideas.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi all,

For several months I've been at a stand still at 20% BF and I'm
trying to problem solve why I'm not heading toward my goal of 13-
15%.  I was down to 16% a couple of years ago, but gradually
increased while going through some tough times.  That has past now
and I seem to be stuck.

I'm wondering if age and stress might have something to do with it.
I'm 46 and I'm an inner city middle school teacher that's pretty much
off the charts in stress this year.  To counter this, I nap after
work for 3/4 hr and get on to exercise and some other fun activities.
I live in New England.  It's cold and I spend much time in doors (not
much light).  I supplement with vitamin D, MV's etc. to try to
counter the loss of light.

On the postive side, I exercise daily in what I think is in
accordance with Rob's exercise guidelines.  I lift 3 times per week
and do interval aerobic exercises 3 times per week.   My energy is
good and my lifting weights are on the slow but constant increase.

I think I am adhering correctly to the NHE eating plan.  My down
cycle consists of 5 meals per day each containing 45 to 50 grams of
protein.  Per day I take in either 2 tablespoons of flax oil or two
servings of dark fish like salmon or mackeral or sardines.  I eat fat
burning vegetables with about 3 or 4 of the meals.

Wednesdays and Saturdays are my upcycle.  I don't count but I eat my
fill of carbs in the last two meals of the day at 4 and 7:30 pm
They are generally low GI (oatmeal, grits, whole grain breads, Whole
grain pastas, sweet potatoes, apple, pear etc)

(I weight 165, BF 20%)

Any thoughts?

Should I restart for 10 days at 20g carbs?   Should I decrease the
protein / fat / carbs.   Could stress be the main problem here?


Thanks for your ideas.

Jim

From what little I can find on the web, this technique developed by
Charles Poliquin uses 12 skinfold measurements to asses an individuals
hormonal balance -- or lack thereof. I really like to find a book with
more information, but it appears that the only way of getting an in
depth understanding is to go to one of Poliquin's seminars.

Here's the most info I've located:

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=833030

Greetings all, was doing some random web research and after a rather
long chain came by some information I thought might be of interest.

From a National Council Against Health Fraud article on so-called
"thermogenic" supplements (http://www.ncahf.org/articles/s-z/thermo.html):
Chromium picolinate is made in the liver and kidney and binds with
minerals to move them around the body. Chromium's biologically active
form is called glucose tolerance factor (GTF), which helps the body
use glucose. Research has shown that if blood glucose levels were
normal and there were no signs of chromium deficiency, there will be
no response to chromium supplements. While glucose metabolism is a
major factor in diabetes, studies have found that most persons with
diabetes are not chromium deficient. Although a severe chromium
deficiency can lead to elevated blood glucose levels, this is not a
factor in causing diabetes. In three studies in which persons with
diabetes took a chromium supplement, the supplement had no effect on
blood glucose control. Chromium is found in a wide variety of foods
and is a nutrient, not a therapeutic agent (medicine). As for
improving how the body handles glucose, chromium benefits only persons
who are chromium deficient. Normal people with no signs of a chromium
deficiency show no benefit after chromium supplementation. If normal,
healthy adults take a chromium supplement, a safe and adequate amount
is 50 to 200 micrograms a day. Extravagant claims for chromium
supplements are highly questionable. (Franz, 1993*)

Anyway I started wondering which foods actually contain significant
quantities of chromium and whether supplementation would be worthwhile
considering the benefits of stable blood sugar levels.

There's a decent list of chromium containing foods here:
http://www.healthwwweb.com/diet/chromium.html (apparent typo on the
blueberry data, but presumably it's low since the list is ordered)

Since grain/potato consumption is, for the most part, limited to 2
days a week for NHE adherents, active considerations might be
worthwhile to ensure adequate intake.  Organ meat is apparently quite
a dense source and might be worth adding a couple times a week.  I've
never had it myself, but I'll give anything a try.

Anyone's experience with chromium picolinate supplementation?  Other
comments?

-MTK

hello simon,

i have the book but in the old natural hormonal enhancement group,
there was a file that containt the exercices. so i could print on
paper, as a backup when in the gym. but now i have to make my own,
too bad.

dano
  --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi dano,
>
> This is copyright material and I suggest you buy the book. Or do I
> misunderstand?
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 11/19/06, dano_nhe <littlestarfisher@...> wrote:
> >
> >   hello,
> >
> > i've tried posting before but i gues something went wrong.
> > well my comp has crashed and i lost the HiE workout grid.
> > can anyone be so kind too email it to me?
> >
> > thank you for the trouble,
> > dano
> >
> >
> >
>

As far as I can tell from their website, the primary ingredient is
inulin which is some sort of (mostly) indigestible starch.  (Note:
I've seen this ingredient in a lot of food bar ingredient lists.)
Apparently they've done glycemic index type testing and that's the
value of 5 digestible carbs per 2oz portion they report on the box.
For some reason consuming indigestible starch reminds me of adding
sawdust to sausages from Upton Sinclair's _The Jungle_.

Personally I wouldn't use it on my down-cycle days as I prefer to
avoid grains entirely.  Give it a try and see how you feel if you're
more wedded to pasta, hopefully it won't cause massive digestive
problems.  If it's not what they claim, you'll find hormonal hunger
creeping back up which is a better indicator to me than nutrition data
on a box.

-MTK

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <merlinx@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any advise on this stuff. Seems too good to be true. I got
> off the diet a few months ago and Im restarting it again. This stuff
> just might get me trhough. Any thoughts?
>

hello,

i've tried posting before but i gues something went wrong.
well my comp has crashed and i lost the HiE workout grid.
can anyone be so kind too email it to me?

thank you for the trouble,
dano

hello,

my comp has crashed and now i've lost the HIE workout Grid. Can anyone
email it too me?

thank you for the trouble,
dano

Howdy folks,
Does anybody know if low/no carb sugar substitutes like malitol,
sorbitol, or inulin are o.k.? I eat this stuff and I'm wondering if
anyone else does. I know what the book says about carb limits but am I
blowing it somehow by eating this stuff? Thanks in advance for any
replies...

Anyone have any advise on this stuff. Seems too good to be true. I got
off the diet a few months ago and Im restarting it again. This stuff
just might get me trhough. Any thoughts?

Steve,

Staying clear of ketone monitoring seems to be in line with NHE.
It's been a bit busy on my end so I haven't located that article yet.
I'll be honing in on it soon and will post it.

In regard to this question. . .

P.S. An off-topic question, if you don't mind. On the regular NHE
plan, after the U-turn, the carb limit is 30-60 grams of carbs per
day. I'm not sure if Rob means "stay under 30-60 grams of carbs per
day" or if he means "have AT LEAST 30 grams of carbs and NO MORE
than
60 grams per day". Are you clear on this issue?

*****


When following the regular plan, I keep it between 30 and 60 grams.
However, on some days it may dip below.  It doesn't seem to make
much of a difference.  In general I keep it more toward 30 and am
getting the results I want. There is some flexibility built into all
this.  I just try to stay tuned into how my body is responding and
experiment a little within the limits of the NHE plan.  Increasing
and decreasing mainly fats and proteins and keeping the carbs
definitely under 60.

Jim

Jim,

I sincerely appreciate your response.

While everything in my original post is true, I must say that I
neglected to mention something critical: despite over two weeks now
with <20grams of carbs/day, I have most definitely lost some bodyfat.
I haven't gotten any sort of bodyfat measure besides looking in the
mirror. But, it's so obvious that I've lost some.

My issue with the Ketosis sticks was whether or not I was losing
bodyfat at the rate to be expected of someone who has properly done
Rob's metabolic U-turn. B/c my ketone levels - at almost three weeks
in the U-turn phase - are still listed as only "Small", I question
whether I'm losing nearly as much fat as to be expected. However,
like you suggest, maybe I should just question whether the Ketosis
sticks really work. Either way, I need to start cycling the carb-load
meals so I can get all the advantages of Rob's NHE program, and I
believe I will start tomorrow.

However, I would appreciate it if you continued to look into the
Ketosis Stick question as it pertains to NHE, because I honestly
haven't found anything.

-Steve

P.S. An off-topic question, if you don't mind. On the regular NHE
plan, after the U-turn, the carb limit is 30-60 grams of carbs per
day. I'm not sure if Rob means "stay under 30-60 grams of carbs per
day" or if he means "have AT LEAST 30 grams of carbs and NO MORE than
60 grams per day". Are you clear on this issue?

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "jrpw10" <jrpw10@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I have never tested my ketone levels.  I just meticulously followed
> the instructions and after the 10 days started in with the
cycling.
> I knew it was working because my bodyfat decreased and all the
other
> positive effects of the plan kicked in.
>
> Out of curiosity I will check out my ketone levels.  However, I
seem
> to remember reading either in the book or in one of his online
> articles Rob stating that the ketone levels as indicated by the
> ketone indicator paper is not necesarily a good indication of
> success in this program.
>
> I'll look around to see where I read that from and will get a
> message back here later.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "wrestlerbutter"
> <dawrestla@> wrote:
> >
> > I bought NHE on the advice of a friend, a swimmer in college, who
> > swore that the diet/lifestyle change worked. I found the book to
> be a
> > fascinating read and I very much enjoy it. I've tried the
> metabolic
> > shift period of the diet several times, failing each time because
> of
> > cross-country travel due to work (eating on the road, on any kind
> of
> > structured diet, is difficult) or not being careful and getting
> > nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. The fact that food
> > labels can advertise zero grams of carbs per serving when in
> > actuality there is <1gram of carb is very misleading, and upon
> > further research I've learned it has been my undoing several
times
> in
> > my numerous attempts at the metabolic shift (drinking flavored
> water
> > or eating meat processed with sugars, for example).
> >
> > I read about the Atkin's diet, and learned Dr. Atkins recommends
> > using Ketosis sticks to keep track of progress during the first
> TWO
> > weeks of the metabolic shift (as opposed to the NHE's one week).
> On
> > the Ketosis Sticks bottle, a color exists to help me track my
> > progress, with categories that measure ketone elements in the
> urine
> > at None, Trace, Small, Moderate, and Large. As I'm sure you all
> know,
> > the more ketones in the urine, the more one is in a fat-burning
> mode,
> > where None and Large represent the two opposite extremes of the
> fat-
> > burning specturm.
> >
> > My first week during the metabolic shift, for the first time, I
> was
> > 100% certain that I was under 20grams of carbs per day. However,
> on
> > the morning of the 8th day the Ketones in my urine were still
> > measured in the "Small" range, meaning my body was only a "little
> > bit" in the fat burning state after following Rob's guidelines.
> > According to the NHE plan, I should have been in a fat burning
> state.
> > So, I decided I'd do it for a second week - figuring maybe Dr.
> Atkins
> > was right about the length required to make the shift, and Rob
was
> > wrong. This morning marked the 15th day of me being absolutely
> 100%
> > certain that I ingested less than 20grams of carbs per day, and I
> > STILL was only in the "Small" range. What gives? I test every
> morning
> > when I wake up, and when I first did this 15 days ago - my ketone
> > measure was "None" - so I've definitely made some progress.
> >
> > So, some questions for everyone, and I'd really appreciate some
> > feedback. 1) Has anyone here used Ketosis sticks with the NHE
> eating
> > plan? If so, what were your results? 2) How can I benefit from
the
> > plan if my body never enters the fat burning mode? I don't
> understand
> > how it's possible to NOT be a fat-burner after 15 days of less
> than
> > 20 grams of carbs per day. Do I need to do a full week of NO
> carbs?
> > At what point do I dabble in "witch's brew", which Rob warns
> against?
> >
> > And so you know, I do high e-intensity resistance training
> > thrice/week and moderate volume/moderate e-intensity wind sprints
> > twice/week.
> >
> > I'd really appreciate some feedback, everyone, as this is
> incredibly
> > frustrating. I've been trying for over a month to do the
metabolic
> U-
> > turn. It didn't work initially because I wasn't careful and got
> > nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. Now, when I know I'm
> not
> > making that mistake anymore, my body simply doesn't want to make
> the
> > shift. I have the will and desire to succeed, but I don't know
how
> I
> > could possibly fail this time.
> >
> > Thank you all,
> > -Steve
> >
>

Hi Steve,

I have never tested my ketone levels.  I just meticulously followed
the instructions and after the 10 days started in with the cycling.
I knew it was working because my bodyfat decreased and all the other
positive effects of the plan kicked in.

Out of curiosity I will check out my ketone levels.  However, I seem
to remember reading either in the book or in one of his online
articles Rob stating that the ketone levels as indicated by the
ketone indicator paper is not necesarily a good indication of
success in this program.

I'll look around to see where I read that from and will get a
message back here later.


Jim



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "wrestlerbutter"
<dawrestla@...> wrote:
>
> I bought NHE on the advice of a friend, a swimmer in college, who
> swore that the diet/lifestyle change worked. I found the book to
be a
> fascinating read and I very much enjoy it. I've tried the
metabolic
> shift period of the diet several times, failing each time because
of
> cross-country travel due to work (eating on the road, on any kind
of
> structured diet, is difficult) or not being careful and getting
> nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. The fact that food
> labels can advertise zero grams of carbs per serving when in
> actuality there is <1gram of carb is very misleading, and upon
> further research I've learned it has been my undoing several times
in
> my numerous attempts at the metabolic shift (drinking flavored
water
> or eating meat processed with sugars, for example).
>
> I read about the Atkin's diet, and learned Dr. Atkins recommends
> using Ketosis sticks to keep track of progress during the first
TWO
> weeks of the metabolic shift (as opposed to the NHE's one week).
On
> the Ketosis Sticks bottle, a color exists to help me track my
> progress, with categories that measure ketone elements in the
urine
> at None, Trace, Small, Moderate, and Large. As I'm sure you all
know,
> the more ketones in the urine, the more one is in a fat-burning
mode,
> where None and Large represent the two opposite extremes of the
fat-
> burning specturm.
>
> My first week during the metabolic shift, for the first time, I
was
> 100% certain that I was under 20grams of carbs per day. However,
on
> the morning of the 8th day the Ketones in my urine were still
> measured in the "Small" range, meaning my body was only a "little
> bit" in the fat burning state after following Rob's guidelines.
> According to the NHE plan, I should have been in a fat burning
state.
> So, I decided I'd do it for a second week - figuring maybe Dr.
Atkins
> was right about the length required to make the shift, and Rob was
> wrong. This morning marked the 15th day of me being absolutely
100%
> certain that I ingested less than 20grams of carbs per day, and I
> STILL was only in the "Small" range. What gives? I test every
morning
> when I wake up, and when I first did this 15 days ago - my ketone
> measure was "None" - so I've definitely made some progress.
>
> So, some questions for everyone, and I'd really appreciate some
> feedback. 1) Has anyone here used Ketosis sticks with the NHE
eating
> plan? If so, what were your results? 2) How can I benefit from the
> plan if my body never enters the fat burning mode? I don't
understand
> how it's possible to NOT be a fat-burner after 15 days of less
than
> 20 grams of carbs per day. Do I need to do a full week of NO
carbs?
> At what point do I dabble in "witch's brew", which Rob warns
against?
>
> And so you know, I do high e-intensity resistance training
> thrice/week and moderate volume/moderate e-intensity wind sprints
> twice/week.
>
> I'd really appreciate some feedback, everyone, as this is
incredibly
> frustrating. I've been trying for over a month to do the metabolic
U-
> turn. It didn't work initially because I wasn't careful and got
> nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. Now, when I know I'm
not
> making that mistake anymore, my body simply doesn't want to make
the
> shift. I have the will and desire to succeed, but I don't know how
I
> could possibly fail this time.
>
> Thank you all,
> -Steve
>

I bought NHE on the advice of a friend, a swimmer in college, who
swore that the diet/lifestyle change worked. I found the book to be a
fascinating read and I very much enjoy it. I've tried the metabolic
shift period of the diet several times, failing each time because of
cross-country travel due to work (eating on the road, on any kind of
structured diet, is difficult) or not being careful and getting
nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. The fact that food
labels can advertise zero grams of carbs per serving when in
actuality there is <1gram of carb is very misleading, and upon
further research I've learned it has been my undoing several times in
my numerous attempts at the metabolic shift (drinking flavored water
or eating meat processed with sugars, for example).

I read about the Atkin's diet, and learned Dr. Atkins recommends
using Ketosis sticks to keep track of progress during the first TWO
weeks of the metabolic shift (as opposed to the NHE's one week). On
the Ketosis Sticks bottle, a color exists to help me track my
progress, with categories that measure ketone elements in the urine
at None, Trace, Small, Moderate, and Large. As I'm sure you all know,
the more ketones in the urine, the more one is in a fat-burning mode,
where None and Large represent the two opposite extremes of the fat-
burning specturm.

My first week during the metabolic shift, for the first time, I was
100% certain that I was under 20grams of carbs per day. However, on
the morning of the 8th day the Ketones in my urine were still
measured in the "Small" range, meaning my body was only a "little
bit" in the fat burning state after following Rob's guidelines.
According to the NHE plan, I should have been in a fat burning state.
So, I decided I'd do it for a second week - figuring maybe Dr. Atkins
was right about the length required to make the shift, and Rob was
wrong. This morning marked the 15th day of me being absolutely 100%
certain that I ingested less than 20grams of carbs per day, and I
STILL was only in the "Small" range. What gives? I test every morning
when I wake up, and when I first did this 15 days ago - my ketone
measure was "None" - so I've definitely made some progress.

So, some questions for everyone, and I'd really appreciate some
feedback. 1) Has anyone here used Ketosis sticks with the NHE eating
plan? If so, what were your results? 2) How can I benefit from the
plan if my body never enters the fat burning mode? I don't understand
how it's possible to NOT be a fat-burner after 15 days of less than
20 grams of carbs per day. Do I need to do a full week of NO carbs?
At what point do I dabble in "witch's brew", which Rob warns against?

And so you know, I do high e-intensity resistance training
thrice/week and moderate volume/moderate e-intensity wind sprints
twice/week.

I'd really appreciate some feedback, everyone, as this is incredibly
frustrating. I've been trying for over a month to do the metabolic U-
turn. It didn't work initially because I wasn't careful and got
nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. Now, when I know I'm not
making that mistake anymore, my body simply doesn't want to make the
shift. I have the will and desire to succeed, but I don't know how I
could possibly fail this time.

Thank you all,
-Steve