Howdy folks,
Does anybody know if low/no carb sugar substitutes like malitol,
sorbitol, or inulin are o.k.? I eat this stuff and I'm wondering if
anyone else does. I know what the book says about carb limits but am I
blowing it somehow by eating this stuff? Thanks in advance for any
replies...

Anyone have any advise on this stuff. Seems too good to be true. I got
off the diet a few months ago and Im restarting it again. This stuff
just might get me trhough. Any thoughts?

Steve,

Staying clear of ketone monitoring seems to be in line with NHE.
It's been a bit busy on my end so I haven't located that article yet.
I'll be honing in on it soon and will post it.

In regard to this question. . .

P.S. An off-topic question, if you don't mind. On the regular NHE
plan, after the U-turn, the carb limit is 30-60 grams of carbs per
day. I'm not sure if Rob means "stay under 30-60 grams of carbs per
day" or if he means "have AT LEAST 30 grams of carbs and NO MORE
than
60 grams per day". Are you clear on this issue?

*****


When following the regular plan, I keep it between 30 and 60 grams.
However, on some days it may dip below.  It doesn't seem to make
much of a difference.  In general I keep it more toward 30 and am
getting the results I want. There is some flexibility built into all
this.  I just try to stay tuned into how my body is responding and
experiment a little within the limits of the NHE plan.  Increasing
and decreasing mainly fats and proteins and keeping the carbs
definitely under 60.

Jim

Jim,

I sincerely appreciate your response.

While everything in my original post is true, I must say that I
neglected to mention something critical: despite over two weeks now
with <20grams of carbs/day, I have most definitely lost some bodyfat.
I haven't gotten any sort of bodyfat measure besides looking in the
mirror. But, it's so obvious that I've lost some.

My issue with the Ketosis sticks was whether or not I was losing
bodyfat at the rate to be expected of someone who has properly done
Rob's metabolic U-turn. B/c my ketone levels - at almost three weeks
in the U-turn phase - are still listed as only "Small", I question
whether I'm losing nearly as much fat as to be expected. However,
like you suggest, maybe I should just question whether the Ketosis
sticks really work. Either way, I need to start cycling the carb-load
meals so I can get all the advantages of Rob's NHE program, and I
believe I will start tomorrow.

However, I would appreciate it if you continued to look into the
Ketosis Stick question as it pertains to NHE, because I honestly
haven't found anything.

-Steve

P.S. An off-topic question, if you don't mind. On the regular NHE
plan, after the U-turn, the carb limit is 30-60 grams of carbs per
day. I'm not sure if Rob means "stay under 30-60 grams of carbs per
day" or if he means "have AT LEAST 30 grams of carbs and NO MORE than
60 grams per day". Are you clear on this issue?

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "jrpw10" <jrpw10@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> I have never tested my ketone levels.  I just meticulously followed
> the instructions and after the 10 days started in with the
cycling.
> I knew it was working because my bodyfat decreased and all the
other
> positive effects of the plan kicked in.
>
> Out of curiosity I will check out my ketone levels.  However, I
seem
> to remember reading either in the book or in one of his online
> articles Rob stating that the ketone levels as indicated by the
> ketone indicator paper is not necesarily a good indication of
> success in this program.
>
> I'll look around to see where I read that from and will get a
> message back here later.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "wrestlerbutter"
> <dawrestla@> wrote:
> >
> > I bought NHE on the advice of a friend, a swimmer in college, who
> > swore that the diet/lifestyle change worked. I found the book to
> be a
> > fascinating read and I very much enjoy it. I've tried the
> metabolic
> > shift period of the diet several times, failing each time because
> of
> > cross-country travel due to work (eating on the road, on any kind
> of
> > structured diet, is difficult) or not being careful and getting
> > nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. The fact that food
> > labels can advertise zero grams of carbs per serving when in
> > actuality there is <1gram of carb is very misleading, and upon
> > further research I've learned it has been my undoing several
times
> in
> > my numerous attempts at the metabolic shift (drinking flavored
> water
> > or eating meat processed with sugars, for example).
> >
> > I read about the Atkin's diet, and learned Dr. Atkins recommends
> > using Ketosis sticks to keep track of progress during the first
> TWO
> > weeks of the metabolic shift (as opposed to the NHE's one week).
> On
> > the Ketosis Sticks bottle, a color exists to help me track my
> > progress, with categories that measure ketone elements in the
> urine
> > at None, Trace, Small, Moderate, and Large. As I'm sure you all
> know,
> > the more ketones in the urine, the more one is in a fat-burning
> mode,
> > where None and Large represent the two opposite extremes of the
> fat-
> > burning specturm.
> >
> > My first week during the metabolic shift, for the first time, I
> was
> > 100% certain that I was under 20grams of carbs per day. However,
> on
> > the morning of the 8th day the Ketones in my urine were still
> > measured in the "Small" range, meaning my body was only a "little
> > bit" in the fat burning state after following Rob's guidelines.
> > According to the NHE plan, I should have been in a fat burning
> state.
> > So, I decided I'd do it for a second week - figuring maybe Dr.
> Atkins
> > was right about the length required to make the shift, and Rob
was
> > wrong. This morning marked the 15th day of me being absolutely
> 100%
> > certain that I ingested less than 20grams of carbs per day, and I
> > STILL was only in the "Small" range. What gives? I test every
> morning
> > when I wake up, and when I first did this 15 days ago - my ketone
> > measure was "None" - so I've definitely made some progress.
> >
> > So, some questions for everyone, and I'd really appreciate some
> > feedback. 1) Has anyone here used Ketosis sticks with the NHE
> eating
> > plan? If so, what were your results? 2) How can I benefit from
the
> > plan if my body never enters the fat burning mode? I don't
> understand
> > how it's possible to NOT be a fat-burner after 15 days of less
> than
> > 20 grams of carbs per day. Do I need to do a full week of NO
> carbs?
> > At what point do I dabble in "witch's brew", which Rob warns
> against?
> >
> > And so you know, I do high e-intensity resistance training
> > thrice/week and moderate volume/moderate e-intensity wind sprints
> > twice/week.
> >
> > I'd really appreciate some feedback, everyone, as this is
> incredibly
> > frustrating. I've been trying for over a month to do the
metabolic
> U-
> > turn. It didn't work initially because I wasn't careful and got
> > nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. Now, when I know I'm
> not
> > making that mistake anymore, my body simply doesn't want to make
> the
> > shift. I have the will and desire to succeed, but I don't know
how
> I
> > could possibly fail this time.
> >
> > Thank you all,
> > -Steve
> >
>

Hi Steve,

I have never tested my ketone levels.  I just meticulously followed
the instructions and after the 10 days started in with the cycling.
I knew it was working because my bodyfat decreased and all the other
positive effects of the plan kicked in.

Out of curiosity I will check out my ketone levels.  However, I seem
to remember reading either in the book or in one of his online
articles Rob stating that the ketone levels as indicated by the
ketone indicator paper is not necesarily a good indication of
success in this program.

I'll look around to see where I read that from and will get a
message back here later.


Jim



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "wrestlerbutter"
<dawrestla@...> wrote:
>
> I bought NHE on the advice of a friend, a swimmer in college, who
> swore that the diet/lifestyle change worked. I found the book to
be a
> fascinating read and I very much enjoy it. I've tried the
metabolic
> shift period of the diet several times, failing each time because
of
> cross-country travel due to work (eating on the road, on any kind
of
> structured diet, is difficult) or not being careful and getting
> nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. The fact that food
> labels can advertise zero grams of carbs per serving when in
> actuality there is <1gram of carb is very misleading, and upon
> further research I've learned it has been my undoing several times
in
> my numerous attempts at the metabolic shift (drinking flavored
water
> or eating meat processed with sugars, for example).
>
> I read about the Atkin's diet, and learned Dr. Atkins recommends
> using Ketosis sticks to keep track of progress during the first
TWO
> weeks of the metabolic shift (as opposed to the NHE's one week).
On
> the Ketosis Sticks bottle, a color exists to help me track my
> progress, with categories that measure ketone elements in the
urine
> at None, Trace, Small, Moderate, and Large. As I'm sure you all
know,
> the more ketones in the urine, the more one is in a fat-burning
mode,
> where None and Large represent the two opposite extremes of the
fat-
> burning specturm.
>
> My first week during the metabolic shift, for the first time, I
was
> 100% certain that I was under 20grams of carbs per day. However,
on
> the morning of the 8th day the Ketones in my urine were still
> measured in the "Small" range, meaning my body was only a "little
> bit" in the fat burning state after following Rob's guidelines.
> According to the NHE plan, I should have been in a fat burning
state.
> So, I decided I'd do it for a second week - figuring maybe Dr.
Atkins
> was right about the length required to make the shift, and Rob was
> wrong. This morning marked the 15th day of me being absolutely
100%
> certain that I ingested less than 20grams of carbs per day, and I
> STILL was only in the "Small" range. What gives? I test every
morning
> when I wake up, and when I first did this 15 days ago - my ketone
> measure was "None" - so I've definitely made some progress.
>
> So, some questions for everyone, and I'd really appreciate some
> feedback. 1) Has anyone here used Ketosis sticks with the NHE
eating
> plan? If so, what were your results? 2) How can I benefit from the
> plan if my body never enters the fat burning mode? I don't
understand
> how it's possible to NOT be a fat-burner after 15 days of less
than
> 20 grams of carbs per day. Do I need to do a full week of NO
carbs?
> At what point do I dabble in "witch's brew", which Rob warns
against?
>
> And so you know, I do high e-intensity resistance training
> thrice/week and moderate volume/moderate e-intensity wind sprints
> twice/week.
>
> I'd really appreciate some feedback, everyone, as this is
incredibly
> frustrating. I've been trying for over a month to do the metabolic
U-
> turn. It didn't work initially because I wasn't careful and got
> nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. Now, when I know I'm
not
> making that mistake anymore, my body simply doesn't want to make
the
> shift. I have the will and desire to succeed, but I don't know how
I
> could possibly fail this time.
>
> Thank you all,
> -Steve
>

I bought NHE on the advice of a friend, a swimmer in college, who
swore that the diet/lifestyle change worked. I found the book to be a
fascinating read and I very much enjoy it. I've tried the metabolic
shift period of the diet several times, failing each time because of
cross-country travel due to work (eating on the road, on any kind of
structured diet, is difficult) or not being careful and getting
nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. The fact that food
labels can advertise zero grams of carbs per serving when in
actuality there is <1gram of carb is very misleading, and upon
further research I've learned it has been my undoing several times in
my numerous attempts at the metabolic shift (drinking flavored water
or eating meat processed with sugars, for example).

I read about the Atkin's diet, and learned Dr. Atkins recommends
using Ketosis sticks to keep track of progress during the first TWO
weeks of the metabolic shift (as opposed to the NHE's one week). On
the Ketosis Sticks bottle, a color exists to help me track my
progress, with categories that measure ketone elements in the urine
at None, Trace, Small, Moderate, and Large. As I'm sure you all know,
the more ketones in the urine, the more one is in a fat-burning mode,
where None and Large represent the two opposite extremes of the fat-
burning specturm.

My first week during the metabolic shift, for the first time, I was
100% certain that I was under 20grams of carbs per day. However, on
the morning of the 8th day the Ketones in my urine were still
measured in the "Small" range, meaning my body was only a "little
bit" in the fat burning state after following Rob's guidelines.
According to the NHE plan, I should have been in a fat burning state.
So, I decided I'd do it for a second week - figuring maybe Dr. Atkins
was right about the length required to make the shift, and Rob was
wrong. This morning marked the 15th day of me being absolutely 100%
certain that I ingested less than 20grams of carbs per day, and I
STILL was only in the "Small" range. What gives? I test every morning
when I wake up, and when I first did this 15 days ago - my ketone
measure was "None" - so I've definitely made some progress.

So, some questions for everyone, and I'd really appreciate some
feedback. 1) Has anyone here used Ketosis sticks with the NHE eating
plan? If so, what were your results? 2) How can I benefit from the
plan if my body never enters the fat burning mode? I don't understand
how it's possible to NOT be a fat-burner after 15 days of less than
20 grams of carbs per day. Do I need to do a full week of NO carbs?
At what point do I dabble in "witch's brew", which Rob warns against?

And so you know, I do high e-intensity resistance training
thrice/week and moderate volume/moderate e-intensity wind sprints
twice/week.

I'd really appreciate some feedback, everyone, as this is incredibly
frustrating. I've been trying for over a month to do the metabolic U-
turn. It didn't work initially because I wasn't careful and got
nickeled and dimed to death by hidden carbs. Now, when I know I'm not
making that mistake anymore, my body simply doesn't want to make the
shift. I have the will and desire to succeed, but I don't know how I
could possibly fail this time.

Thank you all,
-Steve

Ah, well, I guess we wait for the production problem to be solved.
Thanks for the reply.

Jim



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jyana@...> wrote:
>
> I know that I ordered it, and then several weeks later I got an
> email saying that they were having production problems and they
> refunded my money.  said they would contact me when the product is
> ready.
>
> That was something like a month ago, maybe more, cant remember
> exactly.
>
> -JY
>
>
>
> --- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "jrpw10" <jrpw10@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know what's happening with Rob's AM/PM formula?
I've
> been
> > checking back to extique for some time now and don't see any
signs
> of
> > the order entry area being completed.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>

I know that I ordered it, and then several weeks later I got an
email saying that they were having production problems and they
refunded my money.  said they would contact me when the product is
ready.

That was something like a month ago, maybe more, cant remember
exactly.

-JY



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "jrpw10" <jrpw10@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know what's happening with Rob's AM/PM formula?  I've
been
> checking back to extique for some time now and don't see any signs
of
> the order entry area being completed.
>
> Jim
>

Hi all,

Does anyone know what's happening with Rob's AM/PM formula?  I've been
checking back to extique for some time now and don't see any signs of
the order entry area being completed.

Jim

--- "Deanna Rose Giuliano" <drose@...> wrote:
>
> Joel,
> Thanks for replying. I'm wondering if you can eat too much
> or too many carbs in one meal on the carb load night...
> Any thoughts on this?
> Thanks again,
> Nate
See my post on this topic of 25 March this year.

Keith

Joel,
Thanks for replying. I'm wondering if you can eat too much
or too many carbs in one meal on the carb load night...
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks again,
Nate
On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 08:52:16 +0930
   "Joel Rosart" <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
> Sorry, to answer your question more directly, there is a
>chance the second
> meal will cause fat gain, but this is dependent on a lot
>of factors. If you
> eat close to bodybuilding levels of carbs, then yes fat
>gain usually occurs
> to a small degree. There's a good chance you'd burn off
>this extra fat in
> the following down cycle, but if you're really serious
>about losing fat then
> go with the one meal =)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On 9/2/06, Joel Rosart <joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>>
>>  On the general eating plan, Rob says on page 140, "If,
>>when the time
>> comes to carb-load, you have a desire to "pig-out" then
>>you will not want to
>> split."
>>
>> The only reason to split on the general eating plan is
>>if you're not
>> feeling hungry or if you can't tolerate the minimum
>>number of carbs in one
>> meal.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/2/06, stlurfac <drose@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >    Is it a bad idea to "pig out" during the second
>>meal of the carb load
>> >
>> > on the general eating plan? Will this cause fat gain
>>due to the
>> > increased level of insulin from the first meal?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Is it a bad idea to "pig out" during the second meal of the carb load
on the general eating plan? Will this cause fat gain due to the
increased level of insulin from the first meal?

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Rosart

To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [HormonalFitness] Re: Does NHE promote diabetes?

Not off topic at all Jason, this is what NHE is all about!

Unless you're willing to take GH for the rest of your life I think there's no point in taking it. Like you said, the instant you stop you will return to your previous aged self, if not WORSE because your body can't produce GH anymore!

Even those that do have the money to do it for life have to be careful because of the potential for side effects. There are some clinics that now administer a combination of GH, testosterone, estrogen, IGF-1, etc., in an effort to mitigate the deleterious effects of single hormone injections. While I applaud their efforts, I think we're still not there yet and the only reliable system to balance hormones is the human body.

On 8/31/06, jason yana <jyana@entasia.com> wrote:

Thanks Joel, I wouldn't imagine that any dietary manipulation would make GH go unreasonably hog wild.  I knew a few people who were using exogenous GH, the results were clear in the short term, but it sure seemed to me that a decent while after they stopped using it, they appeared to get older in a flash.  Isn't it true that exogenous manipulation of a hormone like GH for a long enough time renders the body at least temporarily incapable of creating the hormone on its own?  Talk about selling your soul to the devil  .. .

 

off topic, i know, sorry about that :)

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Rosart

To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 PM

Subject: Re: [HormonalFitness] Re: Does NHE promote diabetes?

Jason,

I agree NHE should prevent diabetes. I believe concern arose from the fact that:

a) NHE strives to heighten GH production
b) Excess GH production can cause diabetes

Sounds counter-intuitive, but if ANY hormone is raised in excess it can cause massive problems.

The fact is that even among those people that do inject HGH (which has a much more profound effect than NHE does), its still a RARE condition. If that doesn't allay your fears I'm not sure what will!

Cheers,

Joel

On 8/31/06, Jason <jyana@entasia.com> wrote:

Doesn't NHE prevent diabetes?

I kind of thought that since NHE keeps insulin levels low most of
the time, that it would be the opposite. Preventing type II
diabetes - insulin insensitivity, etc. I mean people who are
constantly eating carbs, sugar etc. all the time are the people that
develop type II diabetes right? Isn't that why they put type II
diabetics on a low fat, low carb diet?

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com , "Joel Rosart"

<joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the board!
>
> First off, you should understand that growth hormone is a problem
only when
> its too low or too high in an individual. There's some really good
> information here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone
>
> Excess GH can only be caused by either a pituitary tumour (which
leads to
> gigantism) or by exogenous injections (commonly used by athletes
and in
> anti-aging treatments). In these cases, a rare form of type II
diabetes can
> develop.
>
> Barring these factors, GH can vary significantly in an individual,
from what
> would be considered high-normal to low-normal. Aging and certain
lifestyle
> factors lower GH. This is a fact. It is one of the most significant
> correlations with aging that we have. Anyone that tells you low GH
is a good
> thing is off their rocker (for lack of a better term =) NHE's goal
is to
> reverse this trend and bring GH to the high-normal range.
>
> Rest assured that the only sure fire way to develop type-II
diabetes is too
> become fat or to consume a lot of fructose (as in high-fructose
corn syrup).
> Moderately improving GH status using NHE will only serve to
improve insulin
> sensitivity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel
>
>
>

> On 8/31/06, fueled_on_ascorbate <fueled_on_ascorbate@...> wrote:
> >
> > Growth Hormone seems to promote diabetes in two ways:
> > 1) by GH's ability to increase free fatty acid concentration in
the blood
> > following lipolysis
> > (acts directly on beta cells in pancreas?)
> > 2) by a sort of negative feedback loop which downregulates
insulin
> > receptors (because GH
> > utilizes parts of the insulin signalling pathway)
> >
> > Please bring relief to my concerns. Does NHE promote diabetes?
> >
> >
> >
>

---

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006

---

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Rosart

To: HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:28 PM

Subject: Re: [HormonalFitness] Re: Does NHE promote diabetes?

Jason,

I agree NHE should prevent diabetes. I believe concern arose from the fact that:

a) NHE strives to heighten GH production
b) Excess GH production can cause diabetes

Sounds counter-intuitive, but if ANY hormone is raised in excess it can cause massive problems.

The fact is that even among those people that do inject HGH (which has a much more profound effect than NHE does), its still a RARE condition. If that doesn't allay your fears I'm not sure what will!

Cheers,

Joel

On 8/31/06, Jason <jyana@entasia.com> wrote:

Doesn't NHE prevent diabetes?

I kind of thought that since NHE keeps insulin levels low most of
the time, that it would be the opposite. Preventing type II
diabetes - insulin insensitivity, etc. I mean people who are
constantly eating carbs, sugar etc. all the time are the people that
develop type II diabetes right? Isn't that why they put type II
diabetics on a low fat, low carb diet?

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Rosart"

<joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the board!
>
> First off, you should understand that growth hormone is a problem
only when
> its too low or too high in an individual. There's some really good
> information here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone
>
> Excess GH can only be caused by either a pituitary tumour (which
leads to
> gigantism) or by exogenous injections (commonly used by athletes
and in
> anti-aging treatments). In these cases, a rare form of type II
diabetes can
> develop.
>
> Barring these factors, GH can vary significantly in an individual,
from what
> would be considered high-normal to low-normal. Aging and certain
lifestyle
> factors lower GH. This is a fact. It is one of the most significant
> correlations with aging that we have. Anyone that tells you low GH
is a good
> thing is off their rocker (for lack of a better term =) NHE's goal
is to
> reverse this trend and bring GH to the high-normal range.
>
> Rest assured that the only sure fire way to develop type-II
diabetes is too
> become fat or to consume a lot of fructose (as in high-fructose
corn syrup).
> Moderately improving GH status using NHE will only serve to
improve insulin
> sensitivity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel
>
>
>

> On 8/31/06, fueled_on_ascorbate <fueled_on_ascorbate@...> wrote:
> >
> > Growth Hormone seems to promote diabetes in two ways:
> > 1) by GH's ability to increase free fatty acid concentration in
the blood
> > following lipolysis
> > (acts directly on beta cells in pancreas?)
> > 2) by a sort of negative feedback loop which downregulates
insulin
> > receptors (because GH
> > utilizes parts of the insulin signalling pathway)
> >
> > Please bring relief to my concerns. Does NHE promote diabetes?
> >
> >
> >
>

---

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/434 - Release Date: 8/30/2006

Doesn't NHE prevent diabetes?

I kind of thought that since NHE keeps insulin levels low most of
the time, that it would be the opposite. Preventing type II
diabetes - insulin insensitivity, etc.   I mean people who are
constantly eating carbs, sugar etc. all the time are the people that
develop type II diabetes right?  Isn't that why they put type II
diabetics on a low fat, low carb diet?



--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Rosart"
<joel.rosart@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the board!
>
> First off, you should understand that growth hormone is a problem
only when
> its too low or too high in an individual. There's some really good
> information here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_hormone
>
> Excess GH can only be caused by either a pituitary tumour (which
leads to
> gigantism) or by exogenous injections (commonly used by athletes
and in
> anti-aging treatments). In these cases, a rare form of type II
diabetes can
> develop.
>
> Barring these factors, GH can vary significantly in an individual,
from what
> would be considered high-normal to low-normal. Aging and certain
lifestyle
> factors lower GH. This is a fact. It is one of the most significant
> correlations with aging that we have. Anyone that tells you low GH
is a good
> thing is off their rocker (for lack of a better term =) NHE's goal
is to
> reverse this trend and bring GH to the high-normal range.
>
> Rest assured that the only sure fire way to develop type-II
diabetes is too
> become fat or to consume a lot of fructose (as in high-fructose
corn syrup).
> Moderately improving GH status using NHE will only serve to
improve insulin
> sensitivity.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On 8/31/06, fueled_on_ascorbate <fueled_on_ascorbate@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Growth Hormone seems to promote diabetes in two ways:
> > 1) by GH's ability to increase free fatty acid concentration in
the blood
> > following lipolysis
> > (acts directly on beta cells in pancreas?)
> > 2) by a sort of negative feedback loop which downregulates
insulin
> > receptors (because GH
> > utilizes parts of the insulin signalling pathway)
> >
> > Please bring relief to my concerns. Does NHE promote diabetes?
> >
> >
> >
>

Growth Hormone seems to promote diabetes in two ways:
1) by GH's ability to increase free fatty acid concentration in the blood
following lipolysis
(acts directly on beta cells in pancreas?)
2) by a sort of negative feedback loop which downregulates insulin receptors
(because GH
utilizes parts of the insulin signalling pathway)

Please bring relief to my concerns. Does NHE promote diabetes?

Thank you for your reply, Simon.

I'm a well built 260lbs 23yr old with a 5'10'' frame. W/o any bodyfat
whatsoever, I'd put my weight realistically at around 210-215lbs.
However, I was morbidly obese at age 12, weighing over 300lbs. I
wrestled and played 8 years of football (HS and College) and turned
into the frame I described above. B/c of the morbid obesity, though,
I still have about 30lbs of fat on me - mostly concentrated in my
flabby midsection. My goal on NHE is to lose as much fat as possible,
while building as much muscle as possible. A friend of mine did NHE,
and she (a swimmer) said it worked for her. After reading the book, I
am convinced it will work if I apply it properly. For the record, I
am on the regular NHE plan.

I'm sure I didn't screw up during the metabolic shift, but, I'm very
impatient. Having not seen even a small result in 3 weeks, I've come
to the conclusion that I MUST have gotten nickled and dimed to death
by hidden carbs. Therefore, when I return from business next
Thursday, I will start the metabolic shift all over. I am determined
to finally lose the excess weight/fat I no longer need for football,
and I have every intention of making NHE a permanent lifestyle change.

How long have you been on the plan, and what kind of results have ou
seen?

-Steve

--- In HormonalFitness@yahoogroups.com, "Simon Dankel"
<simon.dankel@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> welcome to the forum!
>
> what are your goals? What results are you looking for?
>
> I think it's important to see NHE as a way to live rather than
a "program".
> Slipping up doesn't come down to details in the long run. With that
> said, it's important to control carbohydrate intake. At the same
time, as
> you know, diet is only one aspect of life that determines our
hormonal
> fitness and wellbeing.
>
> If you were previously living a way that over time would accelerate
health
> problems and undermine your wellbeing, I am confident you now are
on a much
> better track - one towards improvement. Find a way to settle with
> your improved lifestyle, and make it permanent. If you're
consistently doing
> hormonally intelligent exercise, you'll see and feel improvement
very soon.
> I believe improving diet alone won't produce the same dramatic
results for
> improving overall fitness.
>
> Stick with your improvements, and good luck!
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On 8/22/06, wrestlerbutter <dawrestla@...> wrote:
> >
> >    Hello All,
> >
> > My name is Steve and I just started NHE two and a half weeks ago.
For
> > those of you that have seen results on NHE, I'd like to ask you a
> > question: How long did it take before you started to notice
something?
> > I ask because I don't seem to see any results, and I wonder if I
may
> > have slipped up somewhere (either during the metabolic shift or
> > afterwards).
> >
> > I look forward to your replies; thanks!
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> >
> >
>

Hello All,

My name is Steve and I just started NHE two and a half weeks ago. For
those of you that have seen results on NHE, I'd like to ask you a
question: How long did it take before you started to notice something?
I ask because I don't seem to see any results, and I wonder if I may
have slipped up somewhere (either during the metabolic shift or
afterwards).

I look forward to your replies; thanks!

-Steve