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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Anyone out there train HIT but only each muscle once per week? Results?

Thanks much!

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jeremy,

I didn't stay with the program for more than six weeks, because I was losing
strength.  I was planning on two months minimum, but I doubt that two more weeks
of the same would have made any good.  Anyway, it didn't work well for ME -- but
I never get enough sleep, my training schedule is too loose and so forth...  my
time management leaves much to be desired.  It might work very well for someone
more organized.  Actually, I think his principles would be effective for
bodypart specialization on many people.

I don't have a specific rule for the time I stay with a program.  I go by how it
feels, so if it feels good I stay with it until I burn out, like I stayed with
John Casler's training style. (Very effective for strength and muscle growth!) 
I change things within two weeks if I just know that changes are needed.  For
example, this bodypart split I'm on right now:  I found that my triceps were
always sore, and it really hindered my shoulder and chest work. I like heavy
weighted dips, which hit my shoulders and triceps and chest really hard, so I
had to group all those bodyparts into a single day out of necessity.  I can't
train the three in separate days or my triceps just never recover.

I had also been trying to tack barbell shrugs at the end of chest day, but soon
realized that after working chest really hard, I can't shrug worth a damn.  You
know, that kind of thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Miguel Angel Perez [mailto:metalhead2_mx@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:18 AM
To: Perez, Miguel
Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results (or lack thereof) after Waterbury program
proxy


--- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:

> Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@...>
> Fecha: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:41:45 -0000
> Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results (or lack thereof)
> after Waterbury program proxy
>
> Hi Miguel shame Waterbury didn't produce gains for
> you. How long did
> you stay with the workout? Have you thought about
> sticking with the
> Waterbury but going for strength increases with it,
> I'm thinking that
> may tip you into growing mode.
>
> I think I usually stick with a workout for to long 6
> months I was on
> my previous workout and although I gained strength I
> achieved no real
> growth. Do you go by a rule of thumb where by if no
> growth is achieved
> over a certain time period you change regime?
>
> Good luck with the body part split workout.
> Jeremy
>
>
> Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
> >
> > Update:  The Waterbury-style scheme did not work
> at
> > all for me.  No strength, no growth, no fat loss
> or
> > anything.  Well, I didn't fail -- I just found one
> > more thing that didn't work.  I'm going with
> something
> > different now, specifically a one-bodypart-a-day
> > split, a la Wayne Rowley. It's definitely bodypart
> > splits for me.
> >
> > Wayne Rowley, you out there, old chap?
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> > --- Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
> > escribi�:
> >
> > > Jeremy,
> > >
> > > Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article
> > > today
> > > (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up
> in
> > > Salt
> > > Lake City right now) and the program that he
> > > outlined
> > > was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I,
> like
> > > you, am coming off several weeks of strength
> > > training.
> > >  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike
> > > Clint
> > > Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine.
> For
> > > strength, man does it work!  I finished that
> > > four-week
> > > phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12
> > > easy,
> > > my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell
> row at
> > > 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I
> improved my
> > > numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's
> time
> > > to
> > > put those strength gains to the test with a
> higher
> > > frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
>
> > >
> > > Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq
> program
> > > you just hit the muscle very often and do not
> focus
> > > on
> > > strength increases.  You just pound the muscle
> > > several
> > > times a week with different exercises and
> > > parameters,
> > > and then you back off for a few days and let the
> > > body
> > > catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow,
> > > provided
> > > you're eating correctly.
> > >
> > > He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day
> on
> > > this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take
> for
> > > example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy
> day,
> > > 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the
> light
> > > day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting
> change,
> > > so
> > > I might give it a shot.
> > >
> > > Cheerio,
> > >
> > > Miguel
> > >
> > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribi�:
> > >
> > > >  Cheers Miguel.
> > > > I have just started a more volume based
> workout
> > > that
> > > > a friend has had
> > > > great results from. I am doing 4 sets
> sometimes 3
> > > > per exercise .Two or
> > > > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way
> > > split]
> > > > but trying to
> > > > resist the temptation of going to failure. I
> have
> > > > not been on a
> > > > program that doesn't include reps to failure
> > > before.
> > > > I am hoping the
> > > > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > > > The increased number of sets has resulted in
> > > baking
> > > > off the intensity
> > > > a while as you suggested.
> > > >  Jeremy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeremy,
> > > > >
> > > > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size
> from
> > > all
> > > > that work.
> > > > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and
> that
> > > > will eventually lead
> > > > you to mass gains if you consolidate your
> strength
> > > > increases and don't
> > > > let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop
> > > back
> > > > into a less
> > > > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > > > weights you can now
> > > > move, and stay with that routine for awhile
> just
> > > > maintaining.  I've
> > > > always felt that real strength gains mean that
> not
> > > > only can you move
> > > > heavier weights now, but you can handle them
> with
> > > > the same level of
> > > > effort it took to handle the lighter weights
> you
> > > > were using before,
> > > > with the same quality of execution.
> > > > >
> > > > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as
> > > opposed
> > > > to going from 110
> > > > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos
> with a
> > > > shortened ROM,
> > > > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.
> Nope
> > > > -- that 140 kilos
> > > > should feel just as manageable as did the 110
> > > kilos
> > > > before.  If it
> > > > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > > > straining more.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest,
> and
> > > > back off on the
> > > > training for a little while, either in
> intensity
> > > or
> > > > training
> > > > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do
> > > fewer
> > > > sets temporarily
> > > > while your body catches up.  You're burned
> out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Miguel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > > > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my
> new
> > > > workout correction
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@ escribi�:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@
> > > > >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > > > >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > > workout
> > > > >  correction
> > > > >
> > > > >   I read this and realized it comes across
> as if
> > > I
> > > > >  have put on muscle
> > > > >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart
> from
> > > > >  perhaps a bit on my
> > > > >  back. I put on no weight apart from when
> like I
> > > > said
> > > > >  I ate more nuts
> > > > >  etc and that was fat.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Jeremy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with
> my
> > > > new
> > > > >  workout which was
> > > > >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > > > >
> > > > >    I started properly early November and on
> > > nearly
> > > > >  every workout since
> > > > >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on
> at
> > > > >  least one set often
> > > > >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > > > >  exercises.
> > > > >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two
> more
> > > > >  usually. I do recall
> > > > >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > > > >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it
> has
> > > to
> > > > >  be noted though that
> > > > >   half way through the cycle I went up a
> pin. On
> > > > the
> > > > >  big exercises I
> > > > >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > > > >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym
> and
> > > > >  working in different
> > > > >   rep ranges.
> > > > >
> > > > >   The strange thing is have put on much
> muscle
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > >  do feel my back has
> > > > >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more
> detail,
> > > but
> > > > >  my arms and legs are
> > > > >   the same as before. I have had problems
> with
> > > > >  injury so I haven't
> > > > >   trained my triceps throughout and when I
> have
> > > > its
> > > > >  been a low ROM. I
> > > > >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> > > > >  shoulders for a few months
> > > > >   due to injury. But the leg and back work
> have
> > > > been
> > > > >  used constantly. I
> > > > >   did have a few weeks off training
> altogether.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   I was taking in more protein than I
> normally
> > > > would
> > > > >  do.
> > > > >   I haven't been able to get my hands on
> protein
> > > > for
> > > > >  a few weeks so I
> > > > >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has
> led
> > > > to
> > > > >  a weight increase
> > > > >   but it seems to be fat.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Thinking about it my back had the most
> > > constant
> > > > >  volume and seems to
> > > > >   have improved which is interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > >   I am still  getting a rep here and there
> more
> > > on
> > > > >  the workout but feel
> > > > >   its starting to run its course as I will
> > > improve
> > > > >  on one set then the
> > > > >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> > > > >
> > > > >   I would have thought strength increases
> > > without
> > > > >  resulting growth can
> > > > >   happen to a point and its individual but I
> > > must
> > > > >  have had enough
> > > > >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > > > strength
> > > > >  increases require a
> > > > >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> > > > >
> > > > >   Any thoughts welcome
> > > > >   Jeremy
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Cheers,
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--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "jrc_alton" <joealton@...> wrote:
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> I'm selling my old fitness stuff on eBay -
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Brian
> Johnston of iART) and The Nautilus Bodybuilding book may be of
> interest to HITers.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe
>

I'm selling my old fitness stuff on eBay -
http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZjoe_auctions

I've got other stuff but I assume Apex, System Analysis(both by Brian
Johnston of iART) and The Nautilus Bodybuilding book may be of
interest to HITers.

Cheers,
Joe

Hi Miguel shame Waterbury didn't produce gains for you. How long did
you stay with the workout? Have you thought about sticking with the
Waterbury but going for strength increases with it, I'm thinking that
may tip you into growing mode.

I think I usually stick with a workout for to long 6 months I was on
my previous workout and although I gained strength I achieved no real
growth. Do you go by a rule of thumb where by if no growth is achieved
over a certain time period you change regime?

Good luck with the body part split workout.
Jeremy


Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>
> Update:  The Waterbury-style scheme did not work at
> all for me.  No strength, no growth, no fat loss or
> anything.  Well, I didn't fail -- I just found one
> more thing that didn't work.  I'm going with something
> different now, specifically a one-bodypart-a-day
> split, a la Wayne Rowley. It's definitely bodypart
> splits for me.
>
> Wayne Rowley, you out there, old chap?
>
> Miguel
>
> --- Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
> escribi�:
>
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article
> > today
> > (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in
> > Salt
> > Lake City right now) and the program that he
> > outlined
> > was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I, like
> > you, am coming off several weeks of strength
> > training.
> >  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike
> > Clint
> > Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
> > strength, man does it work!  I finished that
> > four-week
> > phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12
> > easy,
> > my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row at
> > 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I improved my
> > numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's time
> > to
> > put those strength gains to the test with a higher
> > frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
> >
> > Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq program
> > you just hit the muscle very often and do not focus
> > on
> > strength increases.  You just pound the muscle
> > several
> > times a week with different exercises and
> > parameters,
> > and then you back off for a few days and let the
> > body
> > catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow,
> > provided
> > you're eating correctly.
> >
> > He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day on
> > this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take for
> > example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy day,
> > 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the light
> > day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting change,
> > so
> > I might give it a shot.
> >
> > Cheerio,
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribi�:
> >
> > >  Cheers Miguel.
> > > I have just started a more volume based workout
> > that
> > > a friend has had
> > > great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes 3
> > > per exercise .Two or
> > > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way
> > split]
> > > but trying to
> > > resist the temptation of going to failure. I have
> > > not been on a
> > > program that doesn't include reps to failure
> > before.
> > > I am hoping the
> > > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > > The increased number of sets has resulted in
> > baking
> > > off the intensity
> > > a while as you suggested.
> > >  Jeremy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy,
> > > >
> > > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from
> > all
> > > that work.
> > > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> > > will eventually lead
> > > you to mass gains if you consolidate your strength
> > > increases and don't
> > > let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop
> > back
> > > into a less
> > > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > > weights you can now
> > > move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> > > maintaining.  I've
> > > always felt that real strength gains mean that not
> > > only can you move
> > > heavier weights now, but you can handle them with
> > > the same level of
> > > effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> > > were using before,
> > > with the same quality of execution.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as
> > opposed
> > > to going from 110
> > > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with a
> > > shortened ROM,
> > > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.   Nope
> > > -- that 140 kilos
> > > should feel just as manageable as did the 110
> > kilos
> > > before.  If it
> > > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > > straining more.
> > > >
> > > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest, and
> > > back off on the
> > > training for a little while, either in intensity
> > or
> > > training
> > > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do
> > fewer
> > > sets temporarily
> > > while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Confidentiality Notice:  This e-mail and any
> > > attachments are
> > > intended only for the use of those to whom it is
> > > addressed and may
> > > contain information that is confidential and
> > > prohibited from further
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> > > e-mail in error, its
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> > > you are not the intended recipient, please contact
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> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > workout correction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@ escribi�:
> > > >
> > > >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@
> > > >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > > >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > workout
> > > >  correction
> > > >
> > > >   I read this and realized it comes across as if
> > I
> > > >  have put on muscle
> > > >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart from
> > > >  perhaps a bit on my
> > > >  back. I put on no weight apart from when like I
> > > said
> > > >  I ate more nuts
> > > >  etc and that was fat.
> > > >
> > > >  Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with my
> > > new
> > > >  workout which was
> > > >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > > >
> > > >    I started properly early November and on
> > nearly
> > > >  every workout since
> > > >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on at
> > > >  least one set often
> > > >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > > >  exercises.
> > > >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two more
> > > >  usually. I do recall
> > > >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > > >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it has
> > to
> > > >  be noted though that
> > > >   half way through the cycle I went up a pin. On
> > > the
> > > >  big exercises I
> > > >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > > >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym and
> > > >  working in different
> > > >   rep ranges.
> > > >
> > > >   The strange thing is have put on much muscle
> > but
> > > I
> > > >  do feel my back has
> > > >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail,
> > but
> > > >  my arms and legs are
> > > >   the same as before. I have had problems with
> > > >  injury so I haven't
> > > >   trained my triceps throughout and when I have
> > > its
> > > >  been a low ROM. I
> > > >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> > > >  shoulders for a few months
> > > >   due to injury. But the leg and back work have
> > > been
> > > >  used constantly. I
> > > >   did have a few weeks off training altogether.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I was taking in more protein than I normally
> > > would
> > > >  do.
> > > >   I haven't been able to get my hands on protein
> > > for
> > > >  a few weeks so I
> > > >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has led
> > > to
> > > >  a weight increase
> > > >   but it seems to be fat.
> > > >
> > > >   Thinking about it my back had the most
> > constant
> > > >  volume and seems to
> > > >   have improved which is interesting.
> > > >
> > > >   I am still  getting a rep here and there more
> > on
> > > >  the workout but feel
> > > >   its starting to run its course as I will
> > improve
> > > >  on one set then the
> > > >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> > > >
> > > >   I would have thought strength increases
> > without
> > > >  resulting growth can
> > > >   happen to a point and its individual but I
> > must
> > > >  have had enough
> > > >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > > strength
> > > >  increases require a
> > > >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> > > >
> > > >   Any thoughts welcome
> > > >   Jeremy
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Corey,

Welcome.  While most here do adhere to HIT most of the
time, there are also a few gonzos such as myself who
will try other, very different, methods sometimes.

Can you tell us more about your training style?

Miguel Pérez
Reynosa, Mexico

--- corey_griffith <corey_griffith@...>
escribió:

> Hi guys, this is my first post here, but certainly
> not my last.
>
> I've decided to open with this post here becuase I
> feel it makes a
> very important point.  I used to belong to a very
> popular message
> board website, called Offtopic.com, which has a
> "fitness and
> nutrition" section.
>
> One thread was entitled something like "Help! How do
> I get my numbers
> up on the OH press?"  Well, being a follower of HIT,
> I found this as
> the perfect opportunity to tell someone about HIT
> and its
> applications, albeit briefly, so I did.
>
> The response I got was appalling. Every person who
> answered the
> thread did nothing but attack me for spewing such
> "nonsense" and my
> attempts at defending myself and my point of view
> (pro-HIT) got me
> banned.
>
> It just proves to me that those who wallow in
> ignorance and refuse to
> open thier minds are simply not worth my time.
>
> Im glad tohave found a place on the net where others
> like myself
> gather and discuss HIT and it's methods.
>
> Finally, Im home.
>
>


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You'll like it, Tooner.  If anything, the change feels
good, plus the weight you can use is substantial.

--- tooner3608 <tt.misc@...> escribió:

> Very interesting - I will have to try this concept.
>
> --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel Perez
> <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
> >
> > Sarn,
> >
> > I'm sorry to reply so late to this intriguing
> post,
> > but i hadn't seen it in my inbox.  yes, I have
> found
> > that multiple very-low-rep sets are sometimes more
> > effective for me than a few moderate-rep sets.  I
> like
> > eight sets of three reps.  And yes, the resistance
> > used can be much greater than when doing three
> sets of
> > eight. It's and exciting way to train, albeit far,
> far
> > removed from HIT :)
> >
> > miguel
> >
> > --- Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> escribió:
> >
> > > Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > > De: Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...>
> > > Fecha: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Asunto: [HIT Digest] Strength-edurance and
> > > endurance-strength
> > >
> > > Hello HITTERS!
> > >
> > > Recently I attempted 122.5 kilograms for the 20
> > > repition squat, with the longer term goal of
> being
> > > able to squat 140 kilograms for 20 repitions.
> > >
> > > I could perhaps call this sort of workout, (that
> is,
> > > 1*20), an endurance-strength workout, but then
> it
> > > actually occurred to me that I could, sort of,
> > > "reverse" the order of sets and repitions, thus
> > > doing NOT 1*20, but 20*1.
> > >
> > > This would be called, I think,
> strength-endurance.
> > >
> > > When I tried this, the weight that I could use
> to
> > > twenty singles, was considerable heavier, so I
> used
> > > "only" 120 kilograms for 30*1.
> > >
> > > This style of training is also called
> "rest-pause
> > > training".
> > >
> > > Perhaps this is something new that we all could
> try,
> > > that is, REVERSEING the order of repitions and
> sets,
> > > this x sets of y repitions becomes y sets of x
> > > repitions.
> > >
> > > You could try 4*5 and 5*4, but with the whole
> idea
> > > in mind to fail ONLY ONCE (in the true nature of
> HIT
> > > style training), AND on the last repition of the
> > > last set.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on this matter and on this style of
> > > training?
> > >
> > > ----Sarn.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________\
_
> > >
> > >
> > > How would you spend $50,000 to create a more
> > > sustainable environment in Australia? Go to
> Yahoo!7
> > > Answers and share your idea.
> > >
> >
>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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it seems poignent this week,but this is an analogy that arthur jones used to
explain this situation.imagine you are trudging through the desert,you see a man
on all fours ,desperately digging for water in the scorching sand with his bare
hands.From your back pack you pull a stainless steel spade,and begin diggin to
show the man the speed at which he can reach his goal of water can be
significantly lessened.in a few moments you have made more progress than he has
in hours.you offer the spade to him.he gazes at you angrily,turns away and
continues digging with his hands.God bless you arthur jones rip.
                                                        regards paul

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: corey_griffith
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 4:07 AM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] So I've been banned from a message board website for
suggesting HIT


   Hi guys, this is my first post here, but certainly not my last.

   I've decided to open with this post here becuase I feel it makes a
   very important point. I used to belong to a very popular message
   board website, called Offtopic.com, which has a "fitness and
   nutrition" section.

   One thread was entitled something like "Help! How do I get my numbers
   up on the OH press?" Well, being a follower of HIT, I found this as
   the perfect opportunity to tell someone about HIT and its
   applications, albeit briefly, so I did.

   The response I got was appalling. Every person who answered the
   thread did nothing but attack me for spewing such "nonsense" and my
   attempts at defending myself and my point of view (pro-HIT) got me
   banned.

   It just proves to me that those who wallow in ignorance and refuse to
   open thier minds are simply not worth my time.

   Im glad tohave found a place on the net where others like myself
   gather and discuss HIT and it's methods.

   Finally, Im home.






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Very interesting - I will have to try this concept.

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel Perez
<metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>
> Sarn,
>
> I'm sorry to reply so late to this intriguing post,
> but i hadn't seen it in my inbox.  yes, I have found
> that multiple very-low-rep sets are sometimes more
> effective for me than a few moderate-rep sets.  I like
> eight sets of three reps.  And yes, the resistance
> used can be much greater than when doing three sets of
> eight. It's and exciting way to train, albeit far, far
> removed from HIT :)
>
> miguel
>
> --- Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> escribió:
>
> > Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > De: Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...>
> > Fecha: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
> > Asunto: [HIT Digest] Strength-edurance and
> > endurance-strength
> >
> > Hello HITTERS!
> >
> > Recently I attempted 122.5 kilograms for the 20
> > repition squat, with the longer term goal of being
> > able to squat 140 kilograms for 20 repitions.
> >
> > I could perhaps call this sort of workout, (that is,
> > 1*20), an endurance-strength workout, but then it
> > actually occurred to me that I could, sort of,
> > "reverse" the order of sets and repitions, thus
> > doing NOT 1*20, but 20*1.
> >
> > This would be called, I think, strength-endurance.
> >
> > When I tried this, the weight that I could use to
> > twenty singles, was considerable heavier, so I used
> > "only" 120 kilograms for 30*1.
> >
> > This style of training is also called "rest-pause
> > training".
> >
> > Perhaps this is something new that we all could try,
> > that is, REVERSEING the order of repitions and sets,
> > this x sets of y repitions becomes y sets of x
> > repitions.
> >
> > You could try 4*5 and 5*4, but with the whole idea
> > in mind to fail ONLY ONCE (in the true nature of HIT
> > style training), AND on the last repition of the
> > last set.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this matter and on this style of
> > training?
> >
> > ----Sarn.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________\
_
> >
> >
> > How would you spend $50,000 to create a more
> > sustainable environment in Australia? Go to Yahoo!7
> > Answers and share your idea.
> >
>
http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/aunz/lifestyle/answers/y7ans-babp_reg.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
>
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Update:  The Waterbury-style scheme did not work at
all for me.  No strength, no growth, no fat loss or
anything.  Well, I didn't fail -- I just found one
more thing that didn't work.  I'm going with something
different now, specifically a one-bodypart-a-day
split, a la Wayne Rowley. It's definitely bodypart
splits for me.

Wayne Rowley, you out there, old chap?

Miguel

--- Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
escribió:

> Jeremy,
>
> Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article
> today
> (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in
> Salt
> Lake City right now) and the program that he
> outlined
> was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I, like
> you, am coming off several weeks of strength
> training.
>  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike
> Clint
> Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
> strength, man does it work!  I finished that
> four-week
> phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12
> easy,
> my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row at
> 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I improved my
> numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's time
> to
> put those strength gains to the test with a higher
> frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
>
> Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq program
> you just hit the muscle very often and do not focus
> on
> strength increases.  You just pound the muscle
> several
> times a week with different exercises and
> parameters,
> and then you back off for a few days and let the
> body
> catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow,
> provided
> you're eating correctly.
>
> He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day on
> this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take for
> example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy day,
> 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the light
> day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting change,
> so
> I might give it a shot.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> Miguel
>
> --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:
>
> >  Cheers Miguel.
> > I have just started a more volume based workout
> that
> > a friend has had
> > great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes 3
> > per exercise .Two or
> > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way
> split]
> > but trying to
> > resist the temptation of going to failure. I have
> > not been on a
> > program that doesn't include reps to failure
> before.
> > I am hoping the
> > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > The increased number of sets has resulted in
> baking
> > off the intensity
> > a while as you suggested.
> >  Jeremy
> >
> > >
> > > Jeremy,
> > >
> > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from
> all
> > that work.
> > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> > will eventually lead
> > you to mass gains if you consolidate your strength
> > increases and don't
> > let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop
> back
> > into a less
> > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > weights you can now
> > move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> > maintaining.  I've
> > always felt that real strength gains mean that not
> > only can you move
> > heavier weights now, but you can handle them with
> > the same level of
> > effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> > were using before,
> > with the same quality of execution.
> > >
> > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as
> opposed
> > to going from 110
> > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with a
> > shortened ROM,
> > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.   Nope
> > -- that 140 kilos
> > should feel just as manageable as did the 110
> kilos
> > before.  If it
> > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > straining more.
> > >
> > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest, and
> > back off on the
> > training for a little while, either in intensity
> or
> > training
> > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do
> fewer
> > sets temporarily
> > while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
> > >
> > > Miguel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Confidentiality Notice:  This e-mail and any
> > attachments are
> > intended only for the use of those to whom it is
> > addressed and may
> > contain information that is confidential and
> > prohibited from further
> > disclosure under law. If you have received this
> > e-mail in error, its
> > review, use, retention and/or distribution is
> > strictly prohibited. If
> > you are not the intended recipient, please contact
> > the sender by reply
> > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> > message and any
> > attachments.[v1.0]
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > workout correction
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@... escribió:
> > >
> > >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@...
> > >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > workout
> > >  correction
> > >
> > >   I read this and realized it comes across as if
> I
> > >  have put on muscle
> > >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart from
> > >  perhaps a bit on my
> > >  back. I put on no weight apart from when like I
> > said
> > >  I ate more nuts
> > >  etc and that was fat.
> > >
> > >  Jeremy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with my
> > new
> > >  workout which was
> > >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > >
> > >    I started properly early November and on
> nearly
> > >  every workout since
> > >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on at
> > >  least one set often
> > >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > >  exercises.
> > >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two more
> > >  usually. I do recall
> > >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it has
> to
> > >  be noted though that
> > >   half way through the cycle I went up a pin. On
> > the
> > >  big exercises I
> > >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym and
> > >  working in different
> > >   rep ranges.
> > >
> > >   The strange thing is have put on much muscle
> but
> > I
> > >  do feel my back has
> > >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail,
> but
> > >  my arms and legs are
> > >   the same as before. I have had problems with
> > >  injury so I haven't
> > >   trained my triceps throughout and when I have
> > its
> > >  been a low ROM. I
> > >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> > >  shoulders for a few months
> > >   due to injury. But the leg and back work have
> > been
> > >  used constantly. I
> > >   did have a few weeks off training altogether.
> > >
> > >
> > >   I was taking in more protein than I normally
> > would
> > >  do.
> > >   I haven't been able to get my hands on protein
> > for
> > >  a few weeks so I
> > >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has led
> > to
> > >  a weight increase
> > >   but it seems to be fat.
> > >
> > >   Thinking about it my back had the most
> constant
> > >  volume and seems to
> > >   have improved which is interesting.
> > >
> > >   I am still  getting a rep here and there more
> on
> > >  the workout but feel
> > >   its starting to run its course as I will
> improve
> > >  on one set then the
> > >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> > >
> > >   I would have thought strength increases
> without
> > >  resulting growth can
> > >   happen to a point and its individual but I
> must
> > >  have had enough
> > >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > strength
> > >  increases require a
> > >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> > >
> > >   Any thoughts welcome
> > >   Jeremy
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hi guys, this is my first post here, but certainly not my last.

I've decided to open with this post here becuase I feel it makes a
very important point.  I used to belong to a very popular message
board website, called Offtopic.com, which has a  "fitness and
nutrition" section.

One thread was entitled something like "Help! How do I get my numbers
up on the OH press?"  Well, being a follower of HIT, I found this as
the perfect opportunity to tell someone about HIT and its
applications, albeit briefly, so I did.

The response I got was appalling. Every person who answered the
thread did nothing but attack me for spewing such "nonsense" and my
attempts at defending myself and my point of view (pro-HIT) got me
banned.

It just proves to me that those who wallow in ignorance and refuse to
open thier minds are simply not worth my time.

Im glad tohave found a place on the net where others like myself
gather and discuss HIT and it's methods.

Finally, Im home.

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[mailto:Supertraining@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Casler
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:04 PM
To: Supertraining@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Supertraining] Arthur Jones has died at 81



I received the following message from Mike Dettmers:

Dear Friends,

I am saddened to inform you that Arthur Jones, the founder of MedX, died

early this morning. He was 81. MedX will soon be issuing the press
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Sincerely,

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Inventor and Fitness Pioneer Arthur Jones Dies

Arthur Jones, the legendary founder of Nautilus and MedX exercise
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whose groundbreaking inventions changed the way people throughout the
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Sarn,

I'm sorry to reply so late to this intriguing post,
but i hadn't seen it in my inbox.  yes, I have found
that multiple very-low-rep sets are sometimes more
effective for me than a few moderate-rep sets.  I like
eight sets of three reps.  And yes, the resistance
used can be much greater than when doing three sets of
eight. It's and exciting way to train, albeit far, far
removed from HIT :)

miguel

--- Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> escribió:

> Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> De: Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...>
> Fecha: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 16:30:28 -0700 (PDT)
> Asunto: [HIT Digest] Strength-edurance and
> endurance-strength
>
> Hello HITTERS!
>
> Recently I attempted 122.5 kilograms for the 20
> repition squat, with the longer term goal of being
> able to squat 140 kilograms for 20 repitions.
>
> I could perhaps call this sort of workout, (that is,
> 1*20), an endurance-strength workout, but then it
> actually occurred to me that I could, sort of,
> "reverse" the order of sets and repitions, thus
> doing NOT 1*20, but 20*1.
>
> This would be called, I think, strength-endurance.
>
> When I tried this, the weight that I could use to
> twenty singles, was considerable heavier, so I used
> "only" 120 kilograms for 30*1.
>
> This style of training is also called "rest-pause
> training".
>
> Perhaps this is something new that we all could try,
> that is, REVERSEING the order of repitions and sets,
> this x sets of y repitions becomes y sets of x
> repitions.
>
> You could try 4*5 and 5*4, but with the whole idea
> in mind to fail ONLY ONCE (in the true nature of HIT
> style training), AND on the last repition of the
> last set.
>
> Any thoughts on this matter and on this style of
> training?
>
> ----Sarn.
>
>
>
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Yeah very sad he was very good and seemed like a real nice guy. He
had pace with raw power. In the interviews Ive seen he seemed like he
had a really positive mind set for reaching his goals. I could see him
winning strongman one day. Very sad must be really hard on his family.
Jeremy
>
> Thanks!
>
> Wow, I just read that strongman Jesse Marunde died.
> He was just 27.
>
> --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:
>
> > Miguel,
> > Well done on making those serious! lifts. Hope the
> > higher frequency
> > works well.
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel Perez
> > <metalhead2_mx@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Jeremy,
> > >
> > > Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article
> > today
> > > (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in
> > Salt
> > > Lake City right now) and the program that he
> > outlined
> > > was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I, like
> > > you, am coming off several weeks of strength
> > training.
> > >  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike
> > Clint
> > > Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
> > > strength, man does it work!  I finished that
> > four-week
> > > phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12
> > easy,
> > > my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row
> > at
> > > 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I improved
> > my
> > > numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's
> > time to
> > > put those strength gains to the test with a higher
> > > frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
> > >
> > > Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq
> > program
> > > you just hit the muscle very often and do not
> > focus on
> > > strength increases.  You just pound the muscle
> > several
> > > times a week with different exercises and
> > parameters,
> > > and then you back off for a few days and let the
> > body
> > > catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow,
> > provided
> > > you're eating correctly.
> > >
> > > He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day
> > on
> > > this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take
> > for
> > > example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy
> > day,
> > > 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the
> > light
> > > day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting change,
> > so
> > > I might give it a shot.
> > >
> > > Cheerio,
> > >
> > > Miguel
> > >
> > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@> escribió:
> > >
> > > >  Cheers Miguel.
> > > > I have just started a more volume based workout
> > that
> > > > a friend has had
> > > > great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes
> > 3
> > > > per exercise .Two or
> > > > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way
> > split]
> > > > but trying to
> > > > resist the temptation of going to failure. I
> > have
> > > > not been on a
> > > > program that doesn't include reps to failure
> > before.
> > > > I am hoping the
> > > > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > > > The increased number of sets has resulted in
> > baking
> > > > off the intensity
> > > > a while as you suggested.
> > > >  Jeremy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeremy,
> > > > >
> > > > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from
> > all
> > > > that work.
> > > > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> > > > will eventually lead
> > > > you to mass gains if you consolidate your
> > strength
> > > > increases and don't
> > > > let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop
> > back
> > > > into a less
> > > > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > > > weights you can now
> > > > move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> > > > maintaining.  I've
> > > > always felt that real strength gains mean that
> > not
> > > > only can you move
> > > > heavier weights now, but you can handle them
> > with
> > > > the same level of
> > > > effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> > > > were using before,
> > > > with the same quality of execution.
> > > > >
> > > > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as
> > opposed
> > > > to going from 110
> > > > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with
> > a
> > > > shortened ROM,
> > > > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.
> > Nope
> > > > -- that 140 kilos
> > > > should feel just as manageable as did the 110
> > kilos
> > > > before.  If it
> > > > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > > > straining more.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest,
> > and
> > > > back off on the
> > > > training for a little while, either in intensity
> > or
> > > > training
> > > > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do
> > fewer
> > > > sets temporarily
> > > > while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
> > > > >
> > > > > Miguel
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > > > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my
> > new
> > > > workout correction
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@ escribió:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@
> > > > >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > > > >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > > workout
> > > > >  correction
> > > > >
> > > > >   I read this and realized it comes across as
> > if I
> > > > >  have put on muscle
> > > > >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart
> > from
> > > > >  perhaps a bit on my
> > > > >  back. I put on no weight apart from when like
> > I
> > > > said
> > > > >  I ate more nuts
> > > > >  etc and that was fat.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Jeremy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with
> > my
> > > > new
> > > > >  workout which was
> > > > >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > > > >
> > > > >    I started properly early November and on
> > nearly
> > > > >  every workout since
> > > > >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on
> > at
> > > > >  least one set often
> > > > >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > > > >  exercises.
> > > > >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two
> > more
> > > > >  usually. I do recall
> > > > >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > > > >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it
> > has to
> > > > >  be noted though that
> > > > >   half way through the cycle I went up a pin.
> > On
> > > > the
> > > > >  big exercises I
> > > > >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > > > >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym
> > and
> > > > >  working in different
> > > > >   rep ranges.
> > > > >
> > > > >   The strange thing is have put on much muscle
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > >  do feel my back has
> > > > >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail,
> > but
> > > > >  my arms and legs are
> > > > >   the same as before. I have had problems with
> > > > >  injury so I haven't
> > > > >   trained my triceps throughout and when I
> > have
> > > > its
> > > > >  been a low ROM. I
> > > > >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> > > > >  shoulders for a few months
> > > > >   due to injury. But the leg and back work
> > have
> > > > been
> > > > >  used constantly. I
> > > > >   did have a few weeks off training
> > altogether.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >   I was taking in more protein than I normally
> > > > would
> > > > >  do.
> > > > >   I haven't been able to get my hands on
> > protein
> > > > for
> > > > >  a few weeks so I
> > > > >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has
> > led
> > > > to
> > > > >  a weight increase
> > > > >   but it seems to be fat.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Thinking about it my back had the most
> > constant
> > > > >  volume and seems to
> > > > >   have improved which is interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > >   I am still  getting a rep here and there
> > more on
> > > > >  the workout but feel
> > > > >   its starting to run its course as I will
> > improve
> > > > >  on one set then the
> > > > >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> > > > >
> > > > >   I would have thought strength increases
> > without
> > > > >  resulting growth can
> > > > >   happen to a point and its individual but I
> > must
> > > > >  have had enough
> > > > >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > > > strength
> > > > >  increases require a
> > > > >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> > > > >
> > > > >   Any thoughts welcome
> > > > >   Jeremy
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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In fact, researchers found, obese women who maintained their weight or shed
pounds during pregnancy were more likely to have a normal-weight newborn
than those who gained pregnancy pounds.

In the US, he said, most obstetricians follow guidelines devised in 1990
that recommend obese women gain about 13 pounds during pregnancy. That's far
less than the 25 to 35 pounds recommended for normal-weight women, but still
a substantial amount of weight for women who are already heavy.

Those guidelines deserve a second look, Artal argued. For obese women, he
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every day.

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weight than women who only changed their eating habits.

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Thanks!

Wow, I just read that strongman Jesse Marunde died.
He was just 27.

--- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:

> Miguel,
> Well done on making those serious! lifts. Hope the
> higher frequency
> works well.
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel Perez
> <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
> >
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article
> today
> > (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in
> Salt
> > Lake City right now) and the program that he
> outlined
> > was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I, like
> > you, am coming off several weeks of strength
> training.
> >  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike
> Clint
> > Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
> > strength, man does it work!  I finished that
> four-week
> > phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12
> easy,
> > my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row
> at
> > 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I improved
> my
> > numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's
> time to
> > put those strength gains to the test with a higher
> > frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
> >
> > Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq
> program
> > you just hit the muscle very often and do not
> focus on
> > strength increases.  You just pound the muscle
> several
> > times a week with different exercises and
> parameters,
> > and then you back off for a few days and let the
> body
> > catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow,
> provided
> > you're eating correctly.
> >
> > He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day
> on
> > this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take
> for
> > example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy
> day,
> > 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the
> light
> > day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting change,
> so
> > I might give it a shot.
> >
> > Cheerio,
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:
> >
> > >  Cheers Miguel.
> > > I have just started a more volume based workout
> that
> > > a friend has had
> > > great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes
> 3
> > > per exercise .Two or
> > > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way
> split]
> > > but trying to
> > > resist the temptation of going to failure. I
> have
> > > not been on a
> > > program that doesn't include reps to failure
> before.
> > > I am hoping the
> > > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > > The increased number of sets has resulted in
> baking
> > > off the intensity
> > > a while as you suggested.
> > >  Jeremy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy,
> > > >
> > > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from
> all
> > > that work.
> > > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> > > will eventually lead
> > > you to mass gains if you consolidate your
> strength
> > > increases and don't
> > > let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop
> back
> > > into a less
> > > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > > weights you can now
> > > move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> > > maintaining.  I've
> > > always felt that real strength gains mean that
> not
> > > only can you move
> > > heavier weights now, but you can handle them
> with
> > > the same level of
> > > effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> > > were using before,
> > > with the same quality of execution.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as
> opposed
> > > to going from 110
> > > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with
> a
> > > shortened ROM,
> > > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.
> Nope
> > > -- that 140 kilos
> > > should feel just as manageable as did the 110
> kilos
> > > before.  If it
> > > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > > straining more.
> > > >
> > > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest,
> and
> > > back off on the
> > > training for a little while, either in intensity
> or
> > > training
> > > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do
> fewer
> > > sets temporarily
> > > while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Confidentiality Notice:  This e-mail and any
> > > attachments are
> > > intended only for the use of those to whom it is
> > > addressed and may
> > > contain information that is confidential and
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> > > disclosure under law. If you have received this
> > > e-mail in error, its
> > > review, use, retention and/or distribution is
> > > strictly prohibited. If
> > > you are not the intended recipient, please
> contact
> > > the sender by reply
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> > > message and any
> > > attachments.[v1.0]
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my
> new
> > > workout correction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@ escribió:
> > > >
> > > >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > > >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@
> > > >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > > >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > workout
> > > >  correction
> > > >
> > > >   I read this and realized it comes across as
> if I
> > > >  have put on muscle
> > > >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart
> from
> > > >  perhaps a bit on my
> > > >  back. I put on no weight apart from when like
> I
> > > said
> > > >  I ate more nuts
> > > >  etc and that was fat.
> > > >
> > > >  Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with
> my
> > > new
> > > >  workout which was
> > > >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > > >
> > > >    I started properly early November and on
> nearly
> > > >  every workout since
> > > >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on
> at
> > > >  least one set often
> > > >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > > >  exercises.
> > > >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two
> more
> > > >  usually. I do recall
> > > >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > > >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it
> has to
> > > >  be noted though that
> > > >   half way through the cycle I went up a pin.
> On
> > > the
> > > >  big exercises I
> > > >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > > >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym
> and
> > > >  working in different
> > > >   rep ranges.
> > > >
> > > >   The strange thing is have put on much muscle
> but
> > > I
> > > >  do feel my back has
> > > >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail,
> but
> > > >  my arms and legs are
> > > >   the same as before. I have had problems with
> > > >  injury so I haven't
> > > >   trained my triceps throughout and when I
> have
> > > its
> > > >  been a low ROM. I
> > > >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> > > >  shoulders for a few months
> > > >   due to injury. But the leg and back work
> have
> > > been
> > > >  used constantly. I
> > > >   did have a few weeks off training
> altogether.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   I was taking in more protein than I normally
> > > would
> > > >  do.
> > > >   I haven't been able to get my hands on
> protein
> > > for
> > > >  a few weeks so I
> > > >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has
> led
> > > to
> > > >  a weight increase
> > > >   but it seems to be fat.
> > > >
> > > >   Thinking about it my back had the most
> constant
> > > >  volume and seems to
> > > >   have improved which is interesting.
> > > >
> > > >   I am still  getting a rep here and there
> more on
> > > >  the workout but feel
> > > >   its starting to run its course as I will
> improve
> > > >  on one set then the
> > > >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> > > >
> > > >   I would have thought strength increases
> without
> > > >  resulting growth can
> > > >   happen to a point and its individual but I
> must
> > > >  have had enough
> > > >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > > strength
> > > >  increases require a
> > > >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> > > >
> > > >   Any thoughts welcome
> > > >   Jeremy
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Miguel,
Well done on making those serious! lifts. Hope the higher frequency
works well.
Jeremy



--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel Perez
<metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>
> Jeremy,
>
> Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article today
> (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in Salt
> Lake City right now) and the program that he outlined
> was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I, like
> you, am coming off several weeks of strength training.
>  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike Clint
> Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
> strength, man does it work!  I finished that four-week
> phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12 easy,
> my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row at
> 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I improved my
> numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's time to
> put those strength gains to the test with a higher
> frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
>
> Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq program
> you just hit the muscle very often and do not focus on
> strength increases.  You just pound the muscle several
> times a week with different exercises and parameters,
> and then you back off for a few days and let the body
> catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow, provided
> you're eating correctly.
>
> He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day on
> this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take for
> example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy day,
> 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the light
> day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting change, so
> I might give it a shot.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> Miguel
>
> --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:
>
> >  Cheers Miguel.
> > I have just started a more volume based workout that
> > a friend has had
> > great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes 3
> > per exercise .Two or
> > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way split]
> > but trying to
> > resist the temptation of going to failure. I have
> > not been on a
> > program that doesn't include reps to failure before.
> > I am hoping the
> > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > The increased number of sets has resulted in baking
> > off the intensity
> > a while as you suggested.
> >  Jeremy
> >
> > >
> > > Jeremy,
> > >
> > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from all
> > that work.
> > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> > will eventually lead
> > you to mass gains if you consolidate your strength
> > increases and don't
> > let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop back
> > into a less
> > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > weights you can now
> > move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> > maintaining.  I've
> > always felt that real strength gains mean that not
> > only can you move
> > heavier weights now, but you can handle them with
> > the same level of
> > effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> > were using before,
> > with the same quality of execution.
> > >
> > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as opposed
> > to going from 110
> > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with a
> > shortened ROM,
> > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.   Nope
> > -- that 140 kilos
> > should feel just as manageable as did the 110 kilos
> > before.  If it
> > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > straining more.
> > >
> > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest, and
> > back off on the
> > training for a little while, either in intensity or
> > training
> > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do fewer
> > sets temporarily
> > while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
> > >
> > > Miguel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Confidentiality Notice:  This e-mail and any
> > attachments are
> > intended only for the use of those to whom it is
> > addressed and may
> > contain information that is confidential and
> > prohibited from further
> > disclosure under law. If you have received this
> > e-mail in error, its
> > review, use, retention and/or distribution is
> > strictly prohibited. If
> > you are not the intended recipient, please contact
> > the sender by reply
> > e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
> > message and any
> > attachments.[v1.0]
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > workout correction
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@ escribió:
> > >
> > >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@
> > >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > workout
> > >  correction
> > >
> > >   I read this and realized it comes across as if I
> > >  have put on muscle
> > >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart from
> > >  perhaps a bit on my
> > >  back. I put on no weight apart from when like I
> > said
> > >  I ate more nuts
> > >  etc and that was fat.
> > >
> > >  Jeremy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with my
> > new
> > >  workout which was
> > >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > >
> > >    I started properly early November and on nearly
> > >  every workout since
> > >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on at
> > >  least one set often
> > >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > >  exercises.
> > >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two more
> > >  usually. I do recall
> > >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it has to
> > >  be noted though that
> > >   half way through the cycle I went up a pin. On
> > the
> > >  big exercises I
> > >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym and
> > >  working in different
> > >   rep ranges.
> > >
> > >   The strange thing is have put on much muscle but
> > I
> > >  do feel my back has
> > >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail, but
> > >  my arms and legs are
> > >   the same as before. I have had problems with
> > >  injury so I haven't
> > >   trained my triceps throughout and when I have
> > its
> > >  been a low ROM. I
> > >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> > >  shoulders for a few months
> > >   due to injury. But the leg and back work have
> > been
> > >  used constantly. I
> > >   did have a few weeks off training altogether.
> > >
> > >
> > >   I was taking in more protein than I normally
> > would
> > >  do.
> > >   I haven't been able to get my hands on protein
> > for
> > >  a few weeks so I
> > >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has led
> > to
> > >  a weight increase
> > >   but it seems to be fat.
> > >
> > >   Thinking about it my back had the most constant
> > >  volume and seems to
> > >   have improved which is interesting.
> > >
> > >   I am still  getting a rep here and there more on
> > >  the workout but feel
> > >   its starting to run its course as I will improve
> > >  on one set then the
> > >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> > >
> > >   I would have thought strength increases without
> > >  resulting growth can
> > >   happen to a point and its individual but I must
> > >  have had enough
> > >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > strength
> > >  increases require a
> > >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> > >
> > >   Any thoughts welcome
> > >   Jeremy
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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So am I right in saying that in changing the sets and reps around you
did find it helped you on the one set of twenty?
It sounds like it would give your body a good shock.
Id imagine judging it so the last rep is the one to failure would be
tricky.

> Hello HITTERS!
>
> Recently I attempted 122.5 kilograms for the 20 repition squat, with
the longer term goal of being able to squat 140 kilograms for 20
repitions.
>
> I could perhaps call this sort of workout, (that is, 1*20), an
endurance-strength workout, but then it actually occurred to me that I
could, sort of, "reverse" the order of sets and repitions, thus doing
NOT 1*20, but 20*1.
>
> This would be called, I think, strength-endurance.
>
> When I tried this, the weight that I could use to twenty singles,
was considerable heavier, so I used "only" 120 kilograms for 30*1.
>
> This style of training is also called "rest-pause training".
>
> Perhaps this is something new that we all could try, that is,
REVERSEING the order of repitions and sets, this x sets of y repitions
becomes y sets of x repitions.
>
> You could try 4*5 and 5*4, but with the whole idea in mind to fail
ONLY ONCE (in the true nature of HIT style training), AND on the last
repition of the last set.
>
> Any thoughts on this matter and on this style of training?
>
> ----Sarn.
>
>
>
>
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I think Clint's genes are pretty good for
bodybuilding!

--- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:

> Hi Clint glad to hear the training is going well.
> I was interested how good do you rate your genetics
> for weight
> training? Do you tend to carry more muscle than most
> naturally.
>  Cheers Jeremy
>
> >
> > yes i have. ive been really with school, so it
> works out well.  the
> last great strength feat id did was a 300 lbs stack
> on leg extentions
> at golds for many reps very controlled/ and super
> set with leg
> presses. ive never felt that beat down after a
> workout. i only did
> those two exercises and some calf raises.
> >
> >   on a side note ive been on almost 0-30 carbs a
> day for the last 2
> weeks. and i feel amazing!!! i havent had this so
> called "crash" yet
> and not only that but i can actually think at a more
> effective rate
> then i could before. ive added walking about 20-50
> minutes about every
> other day as ive read in certain books that this can
> help clear the
> system of carbs and speed up fat loss. ive lost
> somewhere around 10-15
> lbs in 2 weeks. i dont know how much if any is
> muscle but when i look
> in the mirror it looks better everyday. SOLID.
> >    sadly wasnt paying any attention to my diet and
> ballooned up to
> around id say 25-30 % bf.
> >   as of now i think ive lost a good 5-10% of that.
> i did do alot of
> reading on it before i started and i took the good
> w/the bad. i
> reasoned that in some parts of the world, throughout
> history, there
> were certain cultures of man who could only eat meat
> and didnt have
> access to any vegitables. even some cultures today
> dont eat anything
> but meat do to limited access and have extrodinary
> builds.
> >   i try to be creative and i dont really get to
> board with the foods
> im eating. i usually eat as much as i want everyday
> as long as i keep
> my carbs down, and still keep losing. this whole
> keytone thing is more
> effective then most think. another bonus of this
> diet is that it keeps
> your craving at like a zero. i have to force myself
> to eat somtimes.
> anyhow ill keep you posted. im going to keep
> training as i have been
> although i might lower the intensity just a bit as i
> have enough mass
> and just want to maintain while i lose fat. ill keep
> everyone posted.
> >
> >
> >   <by the way..i just got my hd 2 book in the mail
> by the way and
> its a EXCELLENT READ, not a whole lot of new info as
> ive learned about
> as much of mentzer  as possible but alot of
> stimulating point in
> different words. i really liked how he talks about
> health as a whole
> mentally and physically. the man just knew his stuff
> on life and i
> think he was just  too advances for his time. people
> and buisness just
> werent ready for his views.>
> >
> > "Perez, Miguel" <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
> >           Hey, Clint, I remember you were training
> with an extremely low
> > frequency, once every two or possibly three weeks,
> and seeing great
> > results for a while. How has that been going
> lately? Do you still
> > train that way and does it still work?
> >
> > Miguel
> >
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Jeremy,

Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article today
(I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in Salt
Lake City right now) and the program that he outlined
was somewhat similar to what you mention.  I, like
you, am coming off several weeks of strength training.
  I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike Clint
Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
strength, man does it work!  I finished that four-week
phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12 easy,
my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row at
110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9.  I improved my
numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's time to
put those strength gains to the test with a higher
frequency and volume (as well as more calories).

Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq program
you just hit the muscle very often and do not focus on
strength increases.  You just pound the muscle several
times a week with different exercises and parameters,
and then you back off for a few days and let the body
catch up.  Supposedly, this is when you grow, provided
you're eating correctly.

He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day on
this program.  So what I'd like to do is to take for
example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy day,
750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the light
day.  If nothing else, it's an interesting change, so
I might give it a shot.

Cheerio,

Miguel

--- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:

>  Cheers Miguel.
> I have just started a more volume based workout that
> a friend has had
> great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes 3
> per exercise .Two or
> 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way split]
> but trying to
> resist the temptation of going to failure. I have
> not been on a
> program that doesn't include reps to failure before.
> I am hoping the
> change in pace and extra sets work.
> The increased number of sets has resulted in baking
> off the intensity
> a while as you suggested.
>  Jeremy
>
> >
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from all
> that work.
> Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> will eventually lead
> you to mass gains if you consolidate your strength
> increases and don't
> let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop back
> into a less
> demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> weights you can now
> move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> maintaining.  I've
> always felt that real strength gains mean that not
> only can you move
> heavier weights now, but you can handle them with
> the same level of
> effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> were using before,
> with the same quality of execution.
> >
> > That kind of gains will stay with you, as opposed
> to going from 110
> kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with a
> shortened ROM,
> choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.   Nope
> -- that 140 kilos
> should feel just as manageable as did the 110 kilos
> before.  If it
> doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> straining more.
> >
> > I think you need to keep eating well, rest, and
> back off on the
> training for a little while, either in intensity or
> training
> frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do fewer
> sets temporarily
> while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: Miguel Angel Perez
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > To: Perez, Miguel
> > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> workout correction
> >
> >
> >
> > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@... escribió:
> >
> >  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> >  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@...
> >  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> >  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> workout
> >  correction
> >
> >   I read this and realized it comes across as if I
> >  have put on muscle
> >  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart from
> >  perhaps a bit on my
> >  back. I put on no weight apart from when like I
> said
> >  I ate more nuts
> >  etc and that was fat.
> >
> >  Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >    Well thought Id mention how I got on with my
> new
> >  workout which was
> >   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> >
> >    I started properly early November and on nearly
> >  every workout since
> >   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on at
> >  least one set often
> >   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> >  exercises.
> >   As I expected I was getting a rep or two more
> >  usually. I do recall
> >   occasionally adding weight and reps.
> >   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it has to
> >  be noted though that
> >   half way through the cycle I went up a pin. On
> the
> >  big exercises I
> >   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> >   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym and
> >  working in different
> >   rep ranges.
> >
> >   The strange thing is have put on much muscle but
> I
> >  do feel my back has
> >   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail, but
> >  my arms and legs are
> >   the same as before. I have had problems with
> >  injury so I haven't
> >   trained my triceps throughout and when I have
> its
> >  been a low ROM. I
> >   also  was only able to train my chest and
> >  shoulders for a few months
> >   due to injury. But the leg and back work have
> been
> >  used constantly. I
> >   did have a few weeks off training altogether.
> >
> >
> >   I was taking in more protein than I normally
> would
> >  do.
> >   I haven't been able to get my hands on protein
> for
> >  a few weeks so I
> >   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has led
> to
> >  a weight increase
> >   but it seems to be fat.
> >
> >   Thinking about it my back had the most constant
> >  volume and seems to
> >   have improved which is interesting.
> >
> >   I am still  getting a rep here and there more on
> >  the workout but feel
> >   its starting to run its course as I will improve
> >  on one set then the
> >   next one I will lose a few reps.
> >
> >   I would have thought strength increases without
> >  resulting growth can
> >   happen to a point and its individual but I must
> >  have had enough
> >   calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> strength
> >  increases require a
> >   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
> >
> >   Any thoughts welcome
> >   Jeremy
> >
>
>
>


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Hello HITTERS!

Recently I attempted 122.5 kilograms for the 20 repition squat, with the longer
term goal of being able to squat 140 kilograms for 20 repitions.

I could perhaps call this sort of workout, (that is, 1*20), an
endurance-strength workout, but then it actually occurred to me that I could,
sort of, "reverse" the order of sets and repitions, thus doing NOT 1*20, but
20*1.

This would be called, I think, strength-endurance.

When I tried this, the weight that I could use to twenty singles, was
considerable heavier, so I used "only" 120 kilograms for 30*1.

This style of training is also called "rest-pause training".

Perhaps this is something new that we all could try, that is, REVERSEING the
order of repitions and sets, this x sets of y repitions becomes y sets of x
repitions.

You could try 4*5 and 5*4, but with the whole idea in mind to fail ONLY ONCE (in
the true nature of HIT style training), AND on the last repition of the last
set.

Any thoughts on this matter and on this style of training?

----Sarn.



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Clint,

Glad to see you're doing so great on the low-carb
diet.  I experienced the same thing when I started
eating that way.  I ate as much as I wanted and even
had to punch a couple extra holes in my belt!  I lost
tons of fat and felt great.  However, after a few
months, I started gaining fat again.  Maybe my body
became better at storing fat (thyroid or leptin
down-regulation because of the low carbs) or maybe I
started eating more calories without noticing -- most
likely both.  My advice to you is to keep an eye on
your waistline and, if you notice you're gaining fat
again, tone down the fat and calories accordingly.
After the first few months, if you keep eating many
calories you'll gain fat even if you take in close to
no carbs.

Miguel

--- clint michels <clintmichels23@...> escribió:

>
>   ok, id like go against the grain a little bit here
> and get some info from you folks. ive been doing the
> atkins diet ( <20 per day) for the last month. i
> have to say it works alot better then just doing
> what mentzer says is the "optimal" diet plan.
>
>   now before any of you start replying to this  post
> id like you to at least read his book "the new
> atkins revolution". it goes in to great detail about
> why atkins is so successfull . also he gives
> multiple upon multiple examples and case studies.
>
>   now keep in mind i was overweight (around 30%)
> when i started, and ive been dropping a  couple lbs
> every 2-3 days. and i can assure you its not muscle.
> but i can usually eat as much as i want as long as i
> stay in the induction phase. also i  havent even
> "burnt out" like so many of these body builders
> state when they go on low carb. ( the reason they
> crash is because their calories are too low
>
>   the 3 main reason that atkins works so well ill
> list.
>
>   1. you can eat as much as you want as long as your
> carbs are low. in his book dr. atkins states this
> isnt a true statement, but that leads me to reason
> #2.
>
>   2. with your carb levels stable from all the fat
> and protien, youll have about 0 cravings. which can
> present a small problem  since you need above
> adequate calories to maintain muscle mass. to
> rememdy this i add lots of fatty oils to my low carb
> protien shakes, and i love using no carb manaise on
> all my meet ( tastes delicious, make sure you play
> around with foods to keep your appetite up)
>
>   3. your body eats pure fat up as long as you stay
> in the state of keytosis. also there are multiple
> health benefits such as lowering hypertention, and
> keeping you bad cholesterol. down.
>
>   although mentzer developed the system of hit
> extremely well, i dont think he looked at the diet
> objectively enough. ill be posting more on this in
> the future. im hoping this sparks some interesting
> discussion as this board has been very sparse as of
> late.
>
>
> "Somebody should tell us right at the start of out
> lives, that we are dying. Then we might live life to
> the limit, every minute of every day. Do it! I say.
> Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are
> only so many tomorrows."  -----MICHAEL LANDON

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clint michels wrote:
  >
  >
  > ok, id like go against the grain a little bit here and get some info
from you folks. ive been doing the atkins diet ( <20 per day) for the
last month. i have to say it works alot better then just doing what
mentzer says is the "optimal" diet plan.

I'd agree. I've been on a low carb plan for a year and a half now and
have stripped 90 lbs off. Now the trick is to keep adding muscle and try
to hold my bf% where  it is.

  > 1. you can eat as much as you want as long as your carbs are low. in
his book dr. atkins states this isnt a true statement, but that leads me
to reason #2.
  >

Depends what you believe. Here's a study where the fed people on a low
carb diet up to *5400* additional calories from corn oil before they
started putting on weight. Perhaps there's a limit to how much fat the
body can deal with at once, but it does kind of throw a wrench in
calorie theory.

"In normal subjects, the fat content of a formula diet in the form of
corn oil and olive oil (but with constant carbohydrate and protein
intake) was raised continuously up to a daily ingestion of more than
6,800 fat calories. Under normal utilization of fat in the
gastrointestinal tract, it was seen that there was only a slight weight
gain, compared with the caloric intake. This effect was particularly
conspicuous with corn oil and less so with olive oil. The two oils
differ by their linoleic acid content. Based on these results, we
treated obese subjects with high fat, low carbohydrate diets. If the
carbohydrate content of the diet was not more than 50 to 60 g/day and
the fat content approximately 150 g/day, an average daily weight
reduction of 0.3 kg was achieved. The cholesterol and triglyceride
concentrations in the serum, which had been raised at the beginning of
the experiment, invariably showed a tendency towards normalization under
this dietary program."

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/26/2/197

  > although mentzer developed the system of hit extremely well, i dont
think he looked at the diet objectively enough. ill be posting more on
this in the future. im hoping this sparks some interesting discussion as
this board has been very sparse as of late.

OTOH, he seemed to feel nutrition was of smaller importance than most.

Hi Clint glad to hear the training is going well.
I was interested how good do you rate your genetics for weight
training? Do you tend to carry more muscle than most naturally.
  Cheers Jeremy

>
> yes i have. ive been really with school, so it works out well.  the
last great strength feat id did was a 300 lbs stack on leg extentions
at golds for many reps very controlled/ and super set with leg
presses. ive never felt that beat down after a workout. i only did
those two exercises and some calf raises.
>
>   on a side note ive been on almost 0-30 carbs a day for the last 2
weeks. and i feel amazing!!! i havent had this so called "crash" yet
and not only that but i can actually think at a more effective rate
then i could before. ive added walking about 20-50 minutes about every
other day as ive read in certain books that this can help clear the
system of carbs and speed up fat loss. ive lost somewhere around 10-15
lbs in 2 weeks. i dont know how much if any is muscle but when i look
in the mirror it looks better everyday. SOLID.
>    sadly wasnt paying any attention to my diet and ballooned up to
around id say 25-30 % bf.
>   as of now i think ive lost a good 5-10% of that. i did do alot of
reading on it before i started and i took the good w/the bad. i
reasoned that in some parts of the world, throughout history, there
were certain cultures of man who could only eat meat and didnt have
access to any vegitables. even some cultures today dont eat anything
but meat do to limited access and have extrodinary builds.
>   i try to be creative and i dont really get to board with the foods
im eating. i usually eat as much as i want everyday as long as i keep
my carbs down, and still keep losing. this whole keytone thing is more
effective then most think. another bonus of this diet is that it keeps
your craving at like a zero. i have to force myself to eat somtimes.
anyhow ill keep you posted. im going to keep training as i have been
although i might lower the intensity just a bit as i have enough mass
and just want to maintain while i lose fat. ill keep everyone posted.
>
>
>   <by the way..i just got my hd 2 book in the mail by the way and
its a EXCELLENT READ, not a whole lot of new info as ive learned about
as much of mentzer  as possible but alot of stimulating point in
different words. i really liked how he talks about  health as a whole
mentally and physically. the man just knew his stuff on life and i
think he was just  too advances for his time. people and buisness just
werent ready for his views.>
>
> "Perez, Miguel" <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>           Hey, Clint, I remember you were training with an extremely low
> frequency, once every two or possibly three weeks, and seeing great
> results for a while. How has that been going lately? Do you still
> train that way and does it still work?
>
> Miguel
>
>
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>
>
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ok, id like go against the grain a little bit here and get some info from you
folks. ive been doing the atkins diet ( <20 per day) for the last month. i have
to say it works alot better then just doing what mentzer says is the "optimal"
diet plan.

   now before any of you start replying to this  post id like you to at least
read his book "the new atkins revolution". it goes in to great detail about why
atkins is so successfull . also he gives multiple upon multiple examples and
case studies.

   now keep in mind i was overweight (around 30%) when i started, and ive been
dropping a  couple lbs every 2-3 days. and i can assure you its not muscle. but
i can usually eat as much as i want as long as i stay in the induction phase.
also i  havent even "burnt out" like so many of these body builders state when
they go on low carb. ( the reason they crash is because their calories are too
low

   the 3 main reason that atkins works so well ill list.

   1. you can eat as much as you want as long as your carbs are low. in his book
dr. atkins states this isnt a true statement, but that leads me to reason #2.

   2. with your carb levels stable from all the fat and protien, youll have about
0 cravings. which can present a small problem  since you need above adequate
calories to maintain muscle mass. to rememdy this i add lots of fatty oils to my
low carb protien shakes, and i love using no carb manaise on all my meet (
tastes delicious, make sure you play around with foods to keep your appetite up)

   3. your body eats pure fat up as long as you stay in the state of keytosis.
also there are multiple health benefits such as lowering hypertention, and
keeping you bad cholesterol. down.

   although mentzer developed the system of hit extremely well, i dont think he
looked at the diet objectively enough. ill be posting more on this in the
future. im hoping this sparks some interesting discussion as this board has been
very sparse as of late.


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Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do it! I say.
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Cheers Miguel.
I have just started a more volume based workout that a friend has had
great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes 3 per exercise .Two or
3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way split] but trying to
resist the temptation of going to failure. I have not been on a
program that doesn't include reps to failure before. I am hoping the
change in pace and extra sets work.
The increased number of sets has resulted in baking off the intensity
a while as you suggested.
  Jeremy

>
> Jeremy,
>
> That sucks that you didn't gain any size from all that work.
Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that will eventually lead
you to mass gains if you consolidate your strength increases and don't
let them disappear.   Maybe you could now drop back into a less
demanding maintenance routine with the heavier weights you can now
move, and stay with that routine for awhile just maintaining.  I've
always felt that real strength gains mean that not only can you move
heavier weights now, but you can handle them with the same level of
effort it took to handle the lighter weights you were using before,
with the same quality of execution.
>
> That kind of gains will stay with you, as opposed to going from 110
kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with a shortened ROM,
choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus.   Nope -- that 140 kilos
should feel just as manageable as did the 110 kilos before.  If it
doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just straining more.
>
> I think you need to keep eating well, rest, and back off on the
training for a little while, either in intensity or training
frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do fewer sets temporarily
while your body catches up.  You're burned out.
>
> Miguel
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> From: Miguel Angel Perez [mailto:metalhead2_mx@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> To: Perez, Miguel
> Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new workout correction
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> --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@... escribió:
>
>  Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
>  De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@...
>  Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
>  Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new workout
>  correction
>
>   I read this and realized it comes across as if I
>  have put on muscle
>  when I was trying to say I haven't, apart from
>  perhaps a bit on my
>  back. I put on no weight apart from when like I said
>  I ate more nuts
>  etc and that was fat.
>
>  Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>    Well thought Id mention how I got on with my new
>  workout which was
>   Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
>
>    I started properly early November and on nearly
>  every workout since
>   [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on at
>  least one set often
>   every set of a exercise and sometimes all
>  exercises.
>   As I expected I was getting a rep or two more
>  usually. I do recall
>   occasionally adding weight and reps.
>   I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it has to
>  be noted though that
>   half way through the cycle I went up a pin. On the
>  big exercises I
>   added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
>   I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym and
>  working in different
>   rep ranges.
>
>   The strange thing is have put on much muscle but I
>  do feel my back has
>   grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail, but
>  my arms and legs are
>   the same as before. I have had problems with
>  injury so I haven't
>   trained my triceps throughout and when I have its
>  been a low ROM. I
>   also  was only able to train my chest and
>  shoulders for a few months
>   due to injury. But the leg and back work have been
>  used constantly. I
>   did have a few weeks off training altogether.
>
>
>   I was taking in more protein than I normally would
>  do.
>   I haven't been able to get my hands on protein for
>  a few weeks so I
>   have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has led to
>  a weight increase
>   but it seems to be fat.
>
>   Thinking about it my back had the most constant
>  volume and seems to
>   have improved which is interesting.
>
>   I am still  getting a rep here and there more on
>  the workout but feel
>   its starting to run its course as I will improve
>  on one set then the
>   next one I will lose a few reps.
>
>   I would have thought strength increases without
>  resulting growth can
>   happen to a point and its individual but I must
>  have had enough
>   calories if I put on some fat. And surely strength
>  increases require a
>   good amount of calories to be  consumed?
>
>   Any thoughts welcome
>   Jeremy
>