On Jan 30, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Ken ONeill wrote:

> Darden seems to be emphasizing strategies due to how quickly
> adaptation occurs. I have added one element to my training from Darden
> - bent arm, dumbbell and two dumbbell pullovers, all direct, single
> joint movements for lats
Hi Ken,

I don't look at dumbbell pullovers as a single joint movement for the
lats. Even though they do hit the lats hard, I find that my chest gets
hit just as hard along with a little of my shoulders. Even my triceps
take a small hit . I look at it as a fine compound movement. I don't do
them very often, but to me they are not considered a single joint
movement.

Take care

       James aka Sacredsystem

Hey Sarn,
I can do chins about once a month and still progress but my legs recover more
quickly. I think that this is an individual matter and should be considered on a
person to person basis. Some people have body parts that are slower to recover
than the average training populace. Add in intensity and this skews any
meaningful blanket statements even further.

Dr. Dave

P.S. More-and-harder is an oxymoron.
>Chinups three times per week
>Posted by: "Sarn Ursell" polyverse2002@...
>Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:23 am (PST)
>It has been a long time since I posted to the HITDIGEST, and I wanted to let
you all know that I am now doing chinups three times per week to >FORCE an
adaption.

>Actually, this runs against the HIT principals, which instruct us all to do
less-and-harder, rather than more-and-harder.

>I could assumme that there is something of an "exception which prooves the
rule" of training once and once only per week, these exceptions are >for chinups
(three times per week), squats deadlifts and hyperextensions (once every two
weeks), grip (three times per week, and also calf and >abdominals (twice per
week).

>How many of you have tried training three times per week for strength or
endurance protocols for any exercise?

>----Sarn.


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1. Get a rice steamer.  These things are inexpensive and they cook
perfect rice every time.  I've always had a hard time cooking brown rice
right on the stovetop -- it takes forever, it burns, it turns into mush
-- but the steamer cooks it just perfect.

2. Always cover sweet potatoes when cooking them in the microwave.  If
you don't, you might find one day that a large pool of water has
condensated at the bottom of the oven, trickled down the carousel hole,
and ruined your oven.  (Don't ask.)

3. I've said it before:  hump the bar to get to lockout in the deadlift.
It gets you there and transfers the stress from the lower back to the
glutes.  I got my first ever 410-pound pull from the floor this last
Saturday; I hadn't deadlifted for over a year, and last time I got stuck
at lockout with 405 -- again.  I haven't squatted for months either.
This time I moved fast from the get-go, them drove my hips forward at
lockout and boom, it wasn't even hard.  It felt like I could have
handled 30-40 pounds more at least.  I know 410 isn't much for a trained
200+ pounder but I'd been stuck under 405 for years and it felt good to
finally figure out that it was just a technique flaw.

4. If you're having trouble with calf growth, maybe you can benefit from
regular treadmill walking.  I haven't trained calves for a long time but
I've found that a mere 5mph at 5% incline (hands off the handrails) on
the treadmill really works them hard and keeps them full.  (It helps
getting me leaner too, which is certainly needed.)

5. Hanging kneeups and leg lifts using a set of Aborioginals or similar
straps are an outstanding exercise.  Try it.

6. Decline skullcrushers are less stressful on the elbows than the
flat-bench variety, and they're more effective at activating the
triceps.  They are however a pain in the ass to set up if you train
alone.

7. Frozen vegetables are much more realistic and convenient for everyday
use for most of us than stuffing your fridge crisper with fresh
vegetables and watching them wilt a little more every day because you
never take the time to wash them, cut them in bite-sized pieces, and
cook them.  I now get frozen broccoli florets, green beans, lima beans,
peas, and blueberries, and I never fail to eat my vegetables every day.
Before, I never failed to throw away my rotten veggies every two weeks.


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Apologies to John. My spelling sucks I mean Casler workout.

Jeremy

>
> What's this Casela thing all about?  Never heard of
> it.
>
> Miguel
>
> --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:
>
> > Hi guys as its quiet here at the moment I shall ask
> > a question......
> >
> >  [Tumble weed rolls across the forum a owl hoots and
> > a wolf Howls]
> >
> > Any way I was going try it first but the question
> > is...
> > When doing legs on the Casela style workout in my
> > case squats is it ok
> > to do calf raises with them in the 20 rep 20r 10r
> > 10r 5r 5r fashion?
> > Thanks for any thoughts just a bit concerned about
> > calfs recovering in
> > time for squats so form doesnt become a problem.
> >
> > Oh yeah the Casela workout is still going well
> > dispite shoulder injury.
> > Im easing off dead lifts at the moment my lower back
> >  is hurting.
> > I may start doing two sets for deads if it is
> > ongoing.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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i have it. i thought it was a decent vid. i see what your saying about the
quality though. the lighting seemed to be way off. looked really dark.

hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> wrote:          Hi Clint and all I may have
asked before but has any one seen Mike
mentzers underground seminar DVD? His site doesnt seem to be selling
it, however it can be found on e bay it may well be a hand held
amateur job? And that would explain it not being on his site.
Jeremy

>
> if its the one im thinking of with the white cover and all the
stories e.g arnold, sergio, casey, mike, ect. the stories are fun to
read but he prescribes way too much volume. also it sounds like he
has some kind of grudge with mike the way he talks about him. -peace.
>
> Chad McCubbins <chadmcc@...> wrote: Just got the Darden
'New HIT' book.
>
> Looking for thought on his workouts.
>
>
> His routines are long compared to Mentzer's HD.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Chad
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Somebody should tell us right at the start of out lives, that we
are dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every
day. Do it! I say. Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are
only so many tommorrows. -----MICHEAL LANDON
>
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"Somebody should tell us right at the start of out lives, that we are dying.
Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do it! I say.
Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are only so many tommorrows. 
-----MICHEAL LANDON

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i think hes trying to say casler. i dont know why that jumps in to my head but i
think ive heard ref to him before.

Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:          What's this Casela
thing all about? Never heard of
it.

Miguel

--- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:

> Hi guys as its quiet here at the moment I shall ask
> a question......
>
> [Tumble weed rolls across the forum a owl hoots and
> a wolf Howls]
>
> Any way I was going try it first but the question
> is...
> When doing legs on the Casela style workout in my
> case squats is it ok
> to do calf raises with them in the 20 rep 20r 10r
> 10r 5r 5r fashion?
> Thanks for any thoughts just a bit concerned about
> calfs recovering in
> time for squats so form doesnt become a problem.
>
> Oh yeah the Casela workout is still going well
> dispite shoulder injury.
> Im easing off dead lifts at the moment my lower back
> is hurting.
> I may start doing two sets for deads if it is
> ongoing.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>

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Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are only so many tommorrows. 
-----MICHEAL LANDON

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MIguel -



I like the UDO's oil as well but take 2 tablesppons twice a day - They
recommend one per 50 lbs of bodyweight. I think you really need to check
your sources when consuming any kind of fish oils as some are not as
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6. Essential Oils: How Much for a 210-Pounder?

Posted by: "Perez, Miguel" metalhead2_mx@... metalhead2_mx

Date: Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:24 am ((PST))

Group,

As I have been following a lower-fat diet of late, I've been

supplementing daily with 10g salmon oil, one tablespoon extra-virgin

olive oil, and now one tablespoon Udo's Choice 3-6-9 oil as well. Do

you think I might be overdoing it with the oils? Are my choices

redundant? Typical foods for me at this point are very low in fat --

oatmeal, skim milk, skinless chicken breasts, extra-lean beef, sweet

potatoes, brown rice, beans, whole-wheat bread and pasta, broccoli,

green beans, lima beans, tomatoes, onions, egg whites, tuna,

blueberries, protein powder. I'll have a piece of fruit and other

vegetables on occasion. My nut/seed consumption is negligible, about

two or three pecans or walnuts per day.

Thanks!

Miguel



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that kewl. its not the arthur story that made me think he has a grudge against
him as much. i cant quite put my ginger in it but i think he made some other
comments about mentzer that didnt sound right.but it might have been in some of
his other readings of his. just a sense i got i guess.

   i dont dislike darden but i just think he prescribes more toward the volume
side of hit.
   but if it works for some thats great. everybody has a diff. cup of tea.

   i hear lots of things about mike from back in the day. i guess ill never know
for sure, but that story about him thinking arthur was god sounded crazy. if its
true then drugs were the most prob. cause.

   im glad the posts are picking up again, they slowed down for a while, its good
to hear from you ken and others.

kendaiganoneill <kayoneill@...> wrote:
           --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, clint michels <clintmichels23@...>
wrote:
>
> if its the one im thinking of with the white cover and all the
stories e.g arnold, sergio, casey, mike, ect. the stories are fun to
read but he prescribes way too much volume. also it sounds like he
has some kind of grudge with mike the way he talks about him. -peace.
>
> Chad McCubbins <chadmcc@...> wrote: Just got the Darden
'New HIT' book.
>
>
I don't get a sense that Darden has a grudge against the Mentzer's.
Instead, if you read his text carefully, he politely and discretely
let's us know that Mike Mentzer's mental/emotional condition was
falling apart years before his untimely death. If you read Darden's
text more carefully, he only reports on Arthur Jones' dismissal of
Mentzer including ordering his gate guard to call the local sheriff in
to deal with Mike's delusionary madness. In that case, Darden is only
the messenger: if you wish to cast blame, then lay it one Arthur
Jones. In which case Pandora's box opens!!!

Darden's last two books are the best contributions to HIT made in
years, on top of three dozen books over the last thirty years. He
doesn't advocate volume increases so much as intensity amplifying
techniques in concert with the latest/greatest research findings in
muscle science - what we might well deem intensity amplification
techniques.

What's "new" about HIT in Darden's last two books? Admission of
adaptation to any training necessitating frequent change of training
programs. Darden is the cutting edge of HIT, freeing it from
sectarian, if not almost religious, idolatry.

best regards,

Ken O'Neill
Austin, Tejas






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Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do it! I say.
Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are only so many tommorrows. 
-----MICHEAL LANDON

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On Jan 27, 2007, at 2:16 AM, kendaiganoneill wrote:

> What's "new" about HIT in Darden's last two books? Admission of
> adaptation to any training necessitating frequent change of training
> programs. Darden is the cutting edge of HIT, freeing it from
> sectarian, if not almost religious, idolatry.
>
> best regards,
>
> Ken O'Neill
> Austin, Tejas


I agree that Darden is one of the best writers in the HIT area. I was
lucky to meet and talk with Dr. Ken, Kim Woods, Mike Gittleson, and
Dan Riley (here is his web page <http://www.houstontexans.com/fitness/
fitness_corner.php>) and Ken Mannie  <http://www.drweitz.com/
scientific/hit.htm>, and although they agreed on the basic concepts,
they all had differences in their workouts.

The message is, there is no magic workout!!

Hank Kearns

Hi Sarn:

It's also been a long long time since I posted to HITDIGEST!

Ell Darden's last two books, both under the rubric of "the NEW HIT", and based
on all sorts of research experiments he's conducted over th  years (he estimates
training more than ten thousand people with HIT since 1973) reflect exactly what
you're doing.

What's new about HIT in Darden's new books? His research experiments seem to
losen up constructing training programs, some for as short as two weeks for
specialization training. He doesn't always seem to have an easy time accepting
his own research data but boldly and honestly publishes it: some was the
substance of earlier books. In one case he moved an AAU Mr America contender in
Dallas on to a HIT program, a three way split done over six days per week. The
guy gained over thirty pounds. By and large, tho, Darden proposes what seems to
me to be a "strategic approach" to HIT that includes staged sets, drop sets,
pre-exhausts, post-exhausts, and other set extenders.

I found reading his books upsetting. What he said challenged much of what I'd
held to be "the truth" for decades. So I reread them. Then I read the web based
material about Dante's DC training, finding it was not clearly represented in
the Iron Man article Ron Harris did. Dante is another application of HIT with
rough stage sets - a way I find better for me than doing a set to exhaustion,
instead doing roughly 8 reps to exhaustion, resting 15-20 seconds, then another
set with same weight to exhaustion, then another rest and another exhaustion.
Ends up being like 8+5+3 plus some pulsing x-reps for those final fibers still
accessible in the semi-stretched position. I'm amazed at how the weights and
reps keep moving up. His routine splits most upper body one day, a rest day,
then lower body plus biceps/forearms. The key is there are three routines within
this, one exercise per body part per training day. So with upper body routine 1,
you might do inclines; routine 2, you might do bench presses or dips, and
routine 3 you'd do declines. Not hard to keep track of at all.

Darden seems to be emphasizing strategies due to how quickly adaptation occurs.
I have added one element to my training from Darden - bent arm, dumbbell and two
dumbbell pullovers, all direct, single joint movements for lats. Dante also
distinquishes between lat building and back thickening, so you might do chins
and rows in the same workout.

I do a little less than Dante recommeds, and split the routine into
Monday/Tuesday, then Thursday/Friday. I find too long a rest results in
diminishing returns. But I also find at 62.5 that I do better by doing less than
I used to.

Hope this is of some value.

best


----- Original Message -----
From: Sarn Ursell
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/30/2007 7:24:00 AM
Subject: [HIT Digest] Chinups three times per week


It has been a long time since I posted to the HITDIGEST, and I wanted to let you
all know that I am now doing chinups three times per week to FORCE an adaption.

Actually, this runs against the HIT principals, which instruct us all to do
less-and-harder, rather than more-and-harder.

I could assumme that there is something of an "exception which prooves the rule"
of training once and once only per week, these exceptions are for chinups (three
times per week), squats deadlifts and hyperextensions (once every two weeks),
grip (three times per week, and also calf and abdominals (twice per week).

How many of you have tried training three times per week for strength or
endurance protocols for any exercise?

----Sarn.

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Hi just looking about on the web and I found "Fast muscles program."
Promising huge gains a inch arm increase from one! Workout
and a 3ibs body weight increase. [lol]
Like these things tend to do it said the program is based on lost
scientific papers.
The workout details were vague but seemed to consist of two workouts a
week at just twenty mins each.
Wouldn't bother mentioning it but as the frequency and duration seem
to be low and I can only guess its a variation of HIT thought Id see
if any ones come across it?
  Jeremy

I have been doing the Doggcrapp style of training for about 7 months now and
have had really good results.  Its basically a systemized way to apply the
HIT principles of muscle overload and constant progression.  The key is you
must increase the weight on an exercise or increase the total reps done for
your working set (the working set consists of one set to failure plus two
rest-pause sets).  If you don't increase either of these, you replace the
exercise with a different one for the same muscle group, the theory being
you've plateau'd on that exercise.

If I see any fault in the program, its that it is too regimented on its
workout frequency; 3 days a week each week.  After being on the program for
some time, this may be too often for some to recover properly between
workouts.  I took several weeks where I skipped one workout and brought that
week down to just two workouts.  Doing this for a couple of weeks in a row
seemed to allow my body to recuperate and then I went back to 3 days a week.

Dante's diet advice is sound as well; high protein and good carbs, but no
carbs after 5:00 PM, which lowers your insulin levels for night to prevent
fat gain.  I didn't follow this eating routine as well as I should,
consequently I gained some fat as well as muscle.  I am continuing the
Doggcrapp training routines but modifying my diet by lowering the carb
intake to try and burn some of the extra fat.

------
Darren D. Wall
mailto:darrenwall@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of kendaiganoneill
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:37 AM
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HIT Digest] Dante's Doggcrapp Method



I'm curious to learn if any of you have experimented with Dante's
Doggcrapp method. For the life of me I don't understand why it's not
counted as HIT because it doesn't fit anywhere else. It's basically a
HIT way of training based on rest/pause method. One movement per body
part per workout: a set of roughly 8 to exhaustion, 20 second rest the
upwards of five more reps, another twenty second rest then whatever
you can still get - perhaps some partials or a static resistance for
the finish. Two to three sessions per week. There is one alternation:
he recommends alternating workouts A, B, and C, each doing a different
move for body part (e.g., incline press on A, decline press on B, dips
on C).

Ron Harris did an article in Iron Man on Dante's DC training but did
not clarify one move per workout, resulting in presenting a
mischaracterization of three moves per body part per workout. Surely
that would rule it out as HIT, but that's not what Dante teaches!

I personally find the rest pause regimen more powerful than a straight
set to exhaustion - I get a deeper result. I'm also finding at 62 the
shorter workouts are more congenial with life - including recovery!

best







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I have.  It has worked well for four to six weeks I'd say, maybe eight, ten if
you're careful.

What's your goal, Sarn?

--- Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> escribió:

> Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> De: Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...>
> Fecha: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:22:04 -0800 (PST)
> Asunto: [HIT Digest] Chinups three times per week
>
> It has been a long time since I posted to the
> HITDIGEST, and I wanted to let you all know that I
> am now doing chinups three times per week to FORCE
> an adaption.
>
> Actually, this runs against the HIT principals,
> which instruct us all to do less-and-harder, rather
> than more-and-harder.
>
> I could assumme that there is something of an
> "exception which prooves the rule" of training once
> and once only per week, these exceptions are for
> chinups (three times per week), squats deadlifts and hyperextensions
> (once every two weeks), grip (three times per week, and also calf and
> abdominals (twice per week).
>
> How many of you have tried training three times per
> week for strength or endurance protocols for any
> exercise?
>
> ----Sarn.
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>






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problem is , is that hit has grown some and copied and modified by
other boards , etc. Like my 2 groups, and i think most of us know
what to do now so we don't post as much.


--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Angel Perez
<metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>
> We all stopped training and started with the chicken
> wings and beer thing.
>
> --- amit   sardal <coolfighter_k1@...>
> escribió:
>
> > Hye everyone!
> > whats going on at the boards?
> > Is it being disbanded or anything.
> > I havent received anything since October or
> > something- the posts about
> > protien bars were the last ones I received.
> > Also I posted a new year post.
> > I didnt receive it in my yahoo mail box.
> > But I can see it posted here at the boards and also
> > hmmmm... replied
> > back.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Amit
> >
> >
>
>
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--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, clint michels <clintmichels23@...>
wrote:
>
> if its the  one im thinking of with the white cover and all the
stories e.g arnold, sergio, casey, mike,  ect. the stories are fun to
read but he prescribes way too much  volume. also it sounds like he
has some kind of grudge with mike the way he talks about him.  -peace.
>
> Chad McCubbins <chadmcc@...> wrote:          Just got the Darden
'New HIT' book.
>
>
I don't get a sense that Darden has a grudge against the Mentzer's.
Instead, if you read his text carefully, he politely and discretely
let's us know that Mike Mentzer's mental/emotional condition was
falling apart years before his untimely death. If you read Darden's
text more carefully, he only reports on Arthur Jones' dismissal of
Mentzer including ordering his gate guard to call the local sheriff in
to deal with Mike's delusionary madness. In that case, Darden is only
the messenger: if you wish to cast blame, then lay it one Arthur
Jones. In which case Pandora's box opens!!!

Darden's last two books are the best contributions to HIT made in
years, on top of three dozen books over the last thirty years. He
doesn't advocate volume increases so much as intensity amplifying
techniques in concert with the latest/greatest research findings in
muscle science - what we might well deem intensity amplification
techniques.

What's "new" about HIT in Darden's last two books? Admission of
adaptation to any training necessitating frequent change of training
programs. Darden is the cutting edge of HIT, freeing it from
sectarian, if not almost religious, idolatry.

best regards,

Ken O'Neill
Austin, Tejas

I'm curious to learn if any of you have experimented with Dante's
Doggcrapp method. For the life of me I don't understand why it's not
counted as HIT because it doesn't fit anywhere else. It's basically a
HIT way of training based on rest/pause method. One movement per body
part per workout: a set of roughly 8 to exhaustion, 20 second rest the
upwards of five more reps, another twenty second rest then whatever
you can still get - perhaps some partials or a static resistance for
the finish. Two to three sessions per week. There is one alternation:
he recommends alternating workouts A, B, and C, each doing a different
move for body part (e.g., incline press on A, decline press on B, dips
on C).

Ron Harris did an article in Iron Man on Dante's DC training but did
not clarify one move per workout, resulting in presenting a
mischaracterization of three moves per body part per workout. Surely
that would rule it out as HIT, but that's not what Dante teaches!

I personally find the rest pause regimen more powerful than a straight
set to exhaustion - I get a deeper result. I'm also finding at 62 the
shorter workouts are more congenial with life - including recovery!

best

Group,

As I have been following a lower-fat diet of late, I've been
supplementing daily with 10g salmon oil, one tablespoon extra-virgin
olive oil, and now one tablespoon Udo's Choice 3-6-9 oil as well.  Do
you think I might be overdoing it with the oils?  Are my choices
redundant?  Typical foods for me at this point are very low in fat --
oatmeal, skim milk, skinless chicken breasts, extra-lean beef, sweet
potatoes, brown rice, beans, whole-wheat bread and pasta, broccoli,
green beans, lima beans, tomatoes, onions, egg whites, tuna,
blueberries, protein powder.  I'll have a piece of fruit and other
vegetables on occasion.  My nut/seed consumption is negligible, about
two or three pecans or walnuts per day.

Thanks!

Miguel



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Those cambered curling bars came into vogue in the sixties. And ever
since then it seems no two of them weights the same! The court of
final resort is this: weigh each one, maybe marking it with a
permanent marker so everybody's on the same page. Some are made from
hollow tubing, others solid iron bent to shape. Some are longer,
others are shorter. There's just no standard in size or shape, hence
no common ground for weight.

I've wondered at times about weighing lat machine bars. They, too,
vary in size, shape, hence weight. With my equipment, a long, heavier
lat bar definitely pulls away from the weight stack when changing
selector pins. This probably makes a small difference when using
lighter weights in single joint movements. Oh well...



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wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I have a question that's been nagging me for quite a while now.  What
> does your regular EZ-curl bar weigh?  The short one typically used for
> preacher curls.  I've heard these weigh either fifteen or twenty-five
> pounds, but frankly I can't really tell from just grabbing one, and my
> gym doesn't have a scale.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miggs
>
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What's this Casela thing all about?  Never heard of
it.

Miguel

--- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribió:

> Hi guys as its quiet here at the moment I shall ask
> a question......
>
>  [Tumble weed rolls across the forum a owl hoots and
> a wolf Howls]
>
> Any way I was going try it first but the question
> is...
> When doing legs on the Casela style workout in my
> case squats is it ok
> to do calf raises with them in the 20 rep 20r 10r
> 10r 5r 5r fashion?
> Thanks for any thoughts just a bit concerned about
> calfs recovering in
> time for squats so form doesnt become a problem.
>
> Oh yeah the Casela workout is still going well
> dispite shoulder injury.
> Im easing off dead lifts at the moment my lower back
>  is hurting.
> I may start doing two sets for deads if it is
> ongoing.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>


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It has been a long time since I posted to the HITDIGEST, and I wanted to let you
all know that I am now doing chinups three times per week to FORCE an adaption.

Actually, this runs against the HIT principals, which instruct us all to do
less-and-harder, rather than more-and-harder.

I could assumme that there is something of an "exception which prooves the rule"
of training once and once only per week, these exceptions are for chinups (three
times per week), squats deadlifts and hyperextensions (once every two weeks),
grip (three times per week, and also calf and abdominals (twice per week).

How many of you have tried training three times per week for strength or
endurance protocols for any exercise?

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Hi Clint and all I may have asked before but has any one seen Mike
mentzers underground seminar DVD? His site doesnt seem to be selling
it, however it can be found on e bay it may well be a hand held
amateur job? And that would explain it not being on his site.
Jeremy


>
> if its the  one im thinking of with the white cover and all the
stories e.g arnold, sergio, casey, mike,  ect. the stories are fun to
read but he prescribes way too much  volume. also it sounds like he
has some kind of grudge with mike the way he talks about him.  -peace.
>
> Chad McCubbins <chadmcc@...> wrote:          Just got the Darden
'New HIT' book.
>
> Looking for thought on his workouts.
>
>
> His routines are long compared to Mentzer's HD.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Chad
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Somebody should tell us right at the start of out lives, that we
are dying. Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every
day. Do it! I say. Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are
only so many tommorrows.  -----MICHEAL LANDON
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That was a joke, I'm eating ultra-clean, bro.  Looking
better too, slow going but at least it's going, right?

What's YOUR diet like, Dingo?

Miggs

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> --- Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
> wrote:
>
> > We all stopped training and started with the
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> > > Hye everyone!
> > > whats going on at the boards?
> > > Is it being disbanded or anything.
> > > I havent received anything since October or
> > > something- the posts about
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> > > Also I posted a new year post.
> > > I didnt receive it in my yahoo mail box.
> > > But I can see it posted here at the boards and
> > also
> > > hmmmm... replied
> > > back.
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hey what up bro!?
happy belated new year!
www.bodyspace.com/azifukared
is where im at now
tell everybody
ull c ive busted my ass 2 get where im at
an
whats with the wings an thing?
lol
--- Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
wrote:

> We all stopped training and started with the chicken
> wings and beer thing.
>
> --- amit   sardal <coolfighter_k1@...>
> escribió:
>
> > Hye everyone!
> > whats going on at the boards?
> > Is it being disbanded or anything.
> > I havent received anything since October or
> > something- the posts about
> > protien bars were the last ones I received.
> > Also I posted a new year post.
> > I didnt receive it in my yahoo mail box.
> > But I can see it posted here at the boards and
> also
> > hmmmm... replied
> > back.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Amit
> >
> >
>
>
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if its the  one im thinking of with the white cover and all the stories e.g
arnold, sergio, casey, mike,  ect. the stories are fun to read but he prescribes
way too much  volume. also it sounds like he has some kind of grudge with mike
the way he talks about him.  -peace.

Chad McCubbins <chadmcc@...> wrote:          Just got the Darden
'New HIT' book.

Looking for thought on his workouts.


His routines are long compared to Mentzer's HD.


Thanks

Chad

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"Somebody should tell us right at the start of out lives, that we are dying.
Then we might live life to the limit, every minute of every day. Do it! I say.
Whatever it is you want to do, do it now! There are only so many tommorrows. 
-----MICHEAL LANDON

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Hi guys as its quiet here at the moment I shall ask a question......

  [Tumble weed rolls across the forum a owl hoots and a wolf Howls]

Any way I was going try it first but the question is...
When doing legs on the Casela style workout in my case squats is it ok
to do calf raises with them in the 20 rep 20r 10r 10r 5r 5r fashion?
Thanks for any thoughts just a bit concerned about calfs recovering in
time for squats so form doesnt become a problem.

Oh yeah the Casela workout is still going well dispite shoulder injury.
Im easing off dead lifts at the moment my lower back  is hurting.
I may start doing two sets for deads if it is ongoing.

Jeremy

We all stopped training and started with the chicken
wings and beer thing.

--- amit   sardal <coolfighter_k1@...>
escribió:

> Hye everyone!
> whats going on at the boards?
> Is it being disbanded or anything.
> I havent received anything since October or
> something- the posts about
> protien bars were the last ones I received.
> Also I posted a new year post.
> I didnt receive it in my yahoo mail box.
> But I can see it posted here at the boards and also
> hmmmm... replied
> back.
>
> Regards,
> Amit
>
>


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Hank,

Many thanks.  Excellent post, especially you comment about determining your own
MHR and forgetting about the formula.  Yeah, I do a few different things for
cardio, running being one of them.  It just occurred to me that if I valued my
knees so much -- and I do -- why was I running on ordinary athletic shoes?  I'm
just getting into cardio of late...  I need to, to control bodyfat.

This last Sunday I saw an Adidas design that caught my eye, but it is on the
expensive side, $120.  For a very occasional runner like yours truly, it might
be a bit much.  So I'm still looking.

You ask what has happened to this list.  Don't know about the rest of the guys
and girls, but I'm holding off writing until I have a (hopefully) interesting
thing or two to say.  I would write every day if it were up to me, but I don't
want to bore you guys.  I've been training consistently, and have gotten
stronger, but I feel as if I have to earn some bragging rights before I post
again.  I haven't grown in months!  I've tightened up my diet, gotten consistent
with the cardio as I said, carried on successfully with my lifting, and am
excitedly waiting for visible results week to week.  When I get something that I
deem as decently noteworthy, I'll be sure to let you guys know.

One thing that I would like to mention:  If you get the chance to read Chris
Aceto's "Everything You Need To Know About Fat Loss" and/or Tom Venuto's "Burn
the Fat, Feed the Muscle," by all means do so.  Both are EXCELLENT books!  I
remember someone here recommended BFFM to me some time ago, and boy, was he
right.  I got it a couple of weeks ago.  Fascinating book, really lays it down
for you.

Regards to All,

Miguel





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From: Miguel Angel Perez [mailto:metalhead2_mx@...]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:07 AM
To: Perez, Miguel
Subject: Rv: Re: [HIT Digest] Shopping for a Good HR Monitor



--- Hank Kearns <hkearns4@...> escribió:

> > Miguel
> >
>
> I am 59 years old retired health and physical
> education teacher in
> NJ. A few years ago I decided to take a "spin" class
> at the gym I
> joined. It was one of the best things I have done
> for my fitness. I
> was a long time runner, until my knee showed the
> wear and tear of
> three operations from football and basketball
> injuries. So I can
> comment on the two main concerns you have, a heart
> monitor and saving
> your knees.
>
> I'm using a Polar F6. It was under $100.00, but it
> all depends what
> you want in a watch. The main reason I purchased a
> more expensive HR
> was because in the spin classes my old HR monitor
> would pick up my
> neighbor's signal. The F6 coded into your signal
> when you start the
> heart rate monitor next to transmitter. You can
> probably get by with
> a lest expensive model if all you want to monitor
> your heart rate,
> but Polar is a good brand.
>
> More importantly, you need to know how to use the
> heart rate monitor.
> Forget the old formula of 220 - your age. It is a
> shot in the dark
> estimate. You need find your own individual maximum
> heart rate, and
> that does not change with age. I recommend finding a
> book by Sally
> Edwards. The one I have is Heart Rate Monitor
> Guidebook.
>
> As far as shoes are concerned, I would suggest
> getting a shoe with a
> good shock absorption rating. New Balance, Saucony,
> Reebok, Nike,
> etc. all make good shoes. It is more a personal
> preference in my
> opinion. It may take a few purchases before you find
> the shoe that
> suits your pocket and your body.
>
> Along those lines, running is not the only
> cardiovascular exercise.
> It has many great features, but it can cause wear
> and tear if taken
> to excess. Cross training is a good idea physically
> and
> psychologically. I personally became a cyclist when
> I was told by my
> orthopedic physician that I had a knee of a 75 year
> old man when I
> was in my early 30s. I am bone against bone, and
> hoping to keep my
> original knee. Having an arthritic knee does not
> mean you stop
> exercising. Here is a great article in the New York
> Times about when
> it is OK to run hurt,
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/fashion/
>
11FITNESS.html?em&ex=1168750800&en=edd2246845a7b1b7&ei=5087%0A>.
>
> By the way, what has happened to this list. I was a
> lurker for years.
> There were some great postings and exchange of
> ideas. Not it is like
> a ghost town of a list.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Hank Kearns

Just got the Darden 'New HIT' book.

Looking for thought on his workouts.


His routines are long compared to Mentzer's HD.


Thanks

Chad


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On Jan 10, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Perez, Miguel wrote:

> Dudes and Dudettes,
>
> Since I'm getting more into cardiovascular, aerobic training of late,
> I'm thinking about investing in a good heart rate monitor. Do you have
> any recommendations as to what to look for or which one to get? I
> would
> also like to hear your opinions on good running shoes. Don't want to
> ruin my knees.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miguel
>

I am 59 years old retired health and physical education teacher in
NJ. A few years ago I decided to take a “spin” class at the gym I
joined. It was one of the best things I have done for my fitness. I
was a long time runner, until my knee showed the wear and tear of
three operations from football and basketball injuries. So I can
comment on the two main concerns you have, a heart monitor and saving
your knees.

I’m using a Polar F6. It was under $100.00, but it all depends what
you want in a watch. The main reason I purchased a more expensive HR
was because in the spin classes my old HR monitor would pick up my
neighbor’s signal. The F6 coded into your signal when you start the
heart rate monitor next to transmitter. You can probably get by with
a lest expensive model if all you want to monitor your heart rate,
but Polar is a good brand.

More importantly, you need to know how to use the heart rate monitor.
Forget the old formula of 220 - your age. It is a shot in the dark
estimate. You need find your own individual maximum heart rate, and
that does not change with age. I recommend finding a book by Sally
Edwards. The one I have is Heart Rate Monitor Guidebook.

As far as shoes are concerned, I would suggest getting a shoe with a
good shock absorption rating. New Balance, Saucony, Reebok, Nike,
etc. all make good shoes. It is more a personal preference in my
opinion. It may take a few purchases before you find the shoe that
suits your pocket and your body.

Along those lines, running is not the only cardiovascular exercise.
It has many great features, but it can cause wear and tear if taken
to excess. Cross training is a good idea physically and
psychologically. I personally became a cyclist when I was told by my
orthopedic physician that I had a knee of a 75 year old man when I
was in my early 30s. I am bone against bone, and hoping to keep my
original knee. Having an arthritic knee does not mean you stop
exercising. Here is a great article in the New York Times about when
it is OK to run hurt, <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/fashion/
11FITNESS.html?em&ex=1168750800&en=edd2246845a7b1b7&ei=5087%0A>.

By the way, what has happened to this list. I was a lurker for years.
There were some great postings and exchange of ideas. Not it is like
a ghost town of a list.

Good luck.

Hank Kearns

Could someone summarize the differences between EDT and a typical HIT
plan. Also if you've tried it what has your experience been?