Personally I alternate from workout to workout my grip. One W/O with left
hand supinated the next W/O with the right. I have a teammate that does a
pronated thumb lock grip. It takes about 6-9 months to become efficient at
it though and at first it feels as if your thumbs will be ripped off. Just
takes some conditioning and builds an unbelievably strong grip. I use it
sometimes for stiffleg deadlifts.

Dr. Dave

Hi Wayne id have to agree for sheer functional strength and brute
power Mariusz cant be touched. There is that young Guy from the USA i
forget his name very tall and Blonde, any way he seems to be really
talented and i see him winning the worlds soon. To be honest i tend
to just assume they have all at some stage done roids.
  All the Best From Jeremy


Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds and super ripped, and has
dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is" the worlds
strongest man ever.
>
>   Wayne
>
>
>   Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-
free, never used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it
ain't a fair match.
>
>   Ken ONeill
>   Long Life Fitness
>   kayoneill@...
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: hmmmhmmhm
>   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: 5/24/2006 8:31:04 PM
>   Subject: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry
>
>
>   I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against
the
>   likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he
has
>   just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
>   britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he,
seems
>   to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does
the
>   macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he
sorted
>   his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure,
he
>   also seems like a great guy.
>   I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
>   poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
>   From Jeremy
>   >
>   > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
>   wrestling
>   > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
>   Louisville, KY.
>   > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
>   Henry trains
>   > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest
people
>   you'd ever want
>   > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350
pounds,
>   but
>   > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
>   pretty good about
>   > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and
Mark
>   asked if he
>   > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his
massive
>   body to the
>   > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining
to
>   complete the
>   > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
>   squat 500 for
>   > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
>   >
>   > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@
>   > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
>   > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
>   > >
>   > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have
the
>   impact.
>   > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
>   through most
>   > > doorways!
>   > >
>   > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
>   first workout
>   > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and
torn
>   biceps
>   > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of
three
>   inch diameter
>   > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
>   This was at the
>   > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning
football
>   team trains in
>   > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
>   enamel on them,
>   > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db
handle
>   weighed
>   > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
>   grip on it, nor
>   > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225
doing
>   one arm upright
>   > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a
light
>   workout to
>   > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
>   > >
>   > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark
trained
>   on for
>   > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil
rig
>   flywheels that
>   > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
>   squatting over 900
>   > > as a high school senior!
>   > >
>   > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
>   open a can of
>   > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest,
sweetest
>   > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was
born
>   last year, weighing in
>   > > at well over 9 pounds.
>   > >
>   > > best
>   > >
>   > > Ken ONeill
>   > > Long Life Fitness
>   > > kayoneill@
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
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Sorry to seem to nit pick. With folks such as Mark Henry, Chuck Ahrens, Doug
Hepburn, Karl Nordberg, or Paul Anderson, it's more likely very few people are
born as hugely strong as they. I'd guess you probably never heard of most of
those guys. With the exception of Mark, who's around 30 now, the rest were
famous in the 50s and 60s, likely all gone on to the great gym beyond!

Ahrens never allowed photos taken except when in a long sleeved shirt. Photos of
him training did circulate, one of the most famous being that of him doing a
triceps extension on a wooden bench at the outdoors Muscle Beach complex in
Santa Monica, in the mid 1950s, with three big plates and some little ones on an
Olympic bar - that's more than 315 lbs. He was also famous for doing an
impromptu concentration curl, no warm up, with an Olympic bar with a pair of 35s
- that is, 115 concentration curl. One photo did surface, appearing in Ironman
around 1964 or thereabouts, and forever ending his friendship with the guy who
took it - Ahrens doing a side biceps flex in a tee shirt, his arm over 24 inches
and real hard. Like Mark, he was capable of one arm pressing over 300 lbs.

Doug Hepburn was a Canadian heavyweight of that same period, perhaps as early as
1950. He'd had polio in one calf as a kid. Undeterred, he eventually did a
strick clean and press with over 400 pounds, benching more than 500. Other feats
were equally impressive.

Paul Anderson should need no introduction, but the Irongame being what it is,
likely younger readers have never heard of him either. At 5'8" he weighed
between 330-380, squatted with 1250 or so in a nightclub act, was brutally
strong. At Muscle Beach around 1956 he took 560 off a squat rack in a clean
position, then push pressed it to lockout. Within a decade the press had so
loosened up his push press would have been acceptible then, while in the mid 60s
that was the record for the C&J! Anderson was known as The Dixie Derek. In an
age when protein supplements meant crude soy powders, Anderson was known for
buying up beef livers, squeezing the blood out of them, then drinking it down
for protein supplementation.

Marvin Eder, still with us, was a bodybuilder of those days. His picture
appearing in one of Weiders mags ruined his career with the AAU, including his
chances of being Mr America and likely a reigning middleheavyweight Olympic
lifter. He's famous for having done 8-10 reps in the full strict parallel bar
dip weighing around 197, but with more than four hundred pounds strapped around
his waist - at Muscle Beach. Eder's raw power was legendary.

i used to see Nordberg lift when I was a kid. He retired from a career as a
steevadore on San Francisco's waterfront aroud 1962 at age 65, taking up weight
lifting as a new passtime. In those days there were few special benchs, and
bench press benches had the uprights welded right against the bench  - narrow.
Seated presses were done on a buddy system basis - your buddy sat straddling the
bench press bench, facing the uprights, holding on to them to brace himself as
you sat against his back as the upright. In his late 60s Nordberg used to do
demos with 275 in a strict seated military at the intermission specials of AAU
weightlifting contests - the intermission before the bodybuilding shows.
Nordberg was also benching more than 350 at that age. By 75 and later, his demo
bench went up to 460! Added to that, he'd hold an Olympic bar at straight arm's
lenght, twirling it like a baton - as well as grapping a 45 lb plate by its hub
in a pinch grip, then doing a front raise with it to arm extended then hold it
there. He was all of 5'8" tall and amazingly powerful. He died at around age 90,
benching 300 within a month of his death - plagued as he was then with diabetes.

These days such marvels are hard to know about. The truly powerful in most cases
are supersaturated with steroids. Mark's an exception, in part due to the
influence of Jan and Terry Todd in coaching him from his junior high school
stage of life forward. He simply didn't need steroids in face of having world
class training. In case you don't know it, both Jan and Terry were world record
holders in their day, and Terry wrote the first book on powerlifting. Both are
in the State of Texas Powerlifting Hall of Fame. I had email today from one of
the well known younger strength coaches letting me know he'd just seen Terry on
a power lifting special on TV yesterday, and how much he'd like to meet him.

Another key to Mark being a natural is his temperment. Having been around the
menace of steroids ever since they reared their ugly face with the lies and
deception of the industry as early as 1961 or 1962, I can tell  you it's no
great challenge to determine who's on the stuff. Not face to face, and not with
experience in psychology. Steroids effect how the brain functions, and messes
with other glandular functions,. Personalities change when guys are on the
stuff, while when they go off they tend to be subject to depression. In both
cases, behavior is exaggerated. What's more, the majority are not well-adjusted,
emotionally matured, socially developed individuals. Instead, the majority are
subject to compensation and other deficits associated with low sefl-esteem,
inferiority complexes, and emotional immaturity. That certainly shows not only
in roid rage, but in the often messed up lives they live, the fragmented
relationships they engage in and have difficulty maintaining, etc. Narcisic
personality disorders are not uncommon, nor is a strong attempt to fit in and
seem mediocre. Given those character deficits, their amplication with the
intoxication of steroids becomes rather obvious to the trained eye or to someone
who's been around for a spell. Not wholesome people, not people you want to hang
out with, much less let know where you life for fear they'll visit. Some get
into other drugs, some to their downfall (like Mentzer).

Mark's not that kind of guy. He's funny, considerate, playful, and one of the
sweetest people you'll ever meet. That's not just my take - I've heard if from a
considerable number of people we know in common.

If  you have the chance to attend a drug-free, natural bodybuilding competition,
I highly recommend doing so. There you will meet far more balanced and matured
athletes. What's more, many of them are middle aged and getting bigger and
stronger due to no drugs. Nice people, just like the natural strong men of older
times. But didn't we all get into training for strength and health and fitness,
not for drugs and the physical and emotional illnesses they create????

Ken ONeill
Long Life Fitness
kayoneill@...



----- Original Message -----
From: WAYNE
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/30/2006 8:41:33 PM
Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry Mariusz Pudzianowski Zydrunas Savickas



   Hi all,
   Thx Ken, yes you are right, there are a lot of people born hugely strong, and
stay clean, just because someone is huge and strong, not always does it mean
they take.

   Wayne


   How would I know? Terry Todd coached him for years. The Todds are major
advocates of drug-free training, both in coaching, as promoters, and in academic
conferences. Mark was born strong, and from a family of superstrong persons.

   Ken ONeill
   Long Life Fitness
   kayoneill@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: WAYNE
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 5/30/2006 4:32:08 AM
   Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry Mariusz Pudzianowski Zydrunas
Savickas



     Hi there,
     How would you know Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never used
them, and the rest are not, or were you being sarcastic.

     I think a lot of the WSM guys are quite natural, as they are just big huge
strong guys, take Zydrunas Savickas, he is huge 6' 3" and at the Arnolds was 390
pounds, about 28 stone, and then take Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds
and super ripped, and has dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is"
the worlds strongest man ever.

     Wayne


     Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free,
never used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

     Ken ONeill
     Long Life Fitness
     kayoneill@...





     I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
     likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
     just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
     britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
     to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
     macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
     his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
     also seems like a great guy.
     I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
     poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
     From Jeremy
     >
     > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
     wrestling
     > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
     Louisville, KY.
     > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
     Henry trains
     > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
     you'd ever want
     > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
     but
     > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
     pretty good about
     > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
     asked if he
     > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
     body to the
     > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
     complete the
     > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
     squat 500 for
     > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
     >
     > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
     > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
     > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
     > >
     > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
     impact.
     > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
     through most
     > > doorways!
     > >
     > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
     first workout
     > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
     biceps
     > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
     inch diameter
     > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
     This was at the
     > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
     team trains in
     > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
     enamel on them,
     > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
     weighed
     > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
     grip on it, nor
     > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
     one arm upright
     > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
     workout to
     > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
     > >
     > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
     on for
     > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
     flywheels that
     > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
     squatting over 900
     > > as a high school senior!
     > >
     > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
     open a can of
     > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
     > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
     last year, weighing in
     > > at well over 9 pounds.
     > >
     > > best
     > >
     > > Ken ONeill
     > > Long Life Fitness
     > > kayoneill@...
     > >
     >
     >
     >
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     >









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And how is it "you don't think Mark Henry is entirely 'roid free?" Do  you know
him? Have you spoken with him? Seen him train? Know his circle? Our just BS-ing?

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----- Original Message -----
From: clint michels
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/30/2006 2:10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry Mariusz Pudzianowski Zydrunas Savickas


not to start any type of argument here but i def. think that most people in the
strongman have a roid type look to them. and you are right i dont think henry is
entirely roid free. just opinion.

WAYNE <waynegr@...> wrote:
   Hi there,
   How would you know Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never used
them, and the rest are not, or were you being sarcastic.

   I think a lot of the WSM guys are quite natural, as they are just big huge
strong guys, take Zydrunas Savickas, he is huge 6' 3" and at the Arnolds was 390
pounds, about 28 stone, and then take Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds
and super ripped, and has dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is"
the worlds strongest man ever.

   Wayne


   Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never
used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

   Ken ONeill
   Long Life Fitness
   kayoneill@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: hmmmhmmhm
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 5/24/2006 8:31:04 PM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry


   I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
   likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
   just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
   britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
   to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
   macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
   his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
   also seems like a great guy.
   I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
   poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
   From Jeremy
   >
   > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
   wrestling
   > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
   Louisville, KY.
   > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
   Henry trains
   > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
   you'd ever want
   > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
   but
   > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
   pretty good about
   > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
   asked if he
   > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
   body to the
   > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
   complete the
   > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
   squat 500 for
   > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
   >
   > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
   > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
   > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
   > >
   > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
   impact.
   > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
   through most
   > > doorways!
   > >
   > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
   first workout
   > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
   biceps
   > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
   inch diameter
   > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
   This was at the
   > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
   team trains in
   > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
   enamel on them,
   > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
   weighed
   > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
   grip on it, nor
   > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
   one arm upright
   > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
   workout to
   > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
   > >
   > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
   on for
   > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
   flywheels that
   > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
   squatting over 900
   > > as a high school senior!
   > >
   > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
   open a can of
   > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
   > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
   last year, weighing in
   > > at well over 9 pounds.
   > >
   > > best
   > >
   > > Ken ONeill
   > > Long Life Fitness
   > > kayoneill@...
   > >
   >
   >
   >
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Hi all,
   Thx Ken, yes you are right, there are a lot of people born hugely strong, and
stay clean, just because someone is huge and strong, not always does it mean
they take.

   Wayne


   How would I know? Terry Todd coached him for years. The Todds are major
advocates of drug-free training, both in coaching, as promoters, and in academic
conferences. Mark was born strong, and from a family of superstrong persons.

   Ken ONeill
   Long Life Fitness
   kayoneill@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: WAYNE
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 5/30/2006 4:32:08 AM
   Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry Mariusz Pudzianowski Zydrunas
Savickas



     Hi there,
     How would you know Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never used
them, and the rest are not, or were you being sarcastic.

     I think a lot of the WSM guys are quite natural, as they are just big huge
strong guys, take Zydrunas Savickas, he is huge 6' 3" and at the Arnolds was 390
pounds, about 28 stone, and then take Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds
and super ripped, and has dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is"
the worlds strongest man ever.

     Wayne


     Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free,
never used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

     Ken ONeill
     Long Life Fitness
     kayoneill@...





     I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
     likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
     just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
     britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
     to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
     macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
     his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
     also seems like a great guy.
     I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
     poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
     From Jeremy
     >
     > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
     wrestling
     > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
     Louisville, KY.
     > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
     Henry trains
     > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
     you'd ever want
     > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
     but
     > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
     pretty good about
     > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
     asked if he
     > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
     body to the
     > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
     complete the
     > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
     squat 500 for
     > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
     >
     > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
     > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
     > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
     > >
     > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
     impact.
     > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
     through most
     > > doorways!
     > >
     > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
     first workout
     > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
     biceps
     > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
     inch diameter
     > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
     This was at the
     > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
     team trains in
     > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
     enamel on them,
     > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
     weighed
     > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
     grip on it, nor
     > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
     one arm upright
     > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
     workout to
     > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
     > >
     > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
     on for
     > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
     flywheels that
     > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
     squatting over 900
     > > as a high school senior!
     > >
     > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
     open a can of
     > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
     > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
     last year, weighing in
     > > at well over 9 pounds.
     > >
     > > best
     > >
     > > Ken ONeill
     > > Long Life Fitness
     > > kayoneill@...
     > >
     >
     >
     >
     > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
     >









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I have Beyond Bodybuilding and I'd rate it around 95, one of the best
strength books ever published. But keep in mind, most of the book has been
published before either in Power to the People, or articles in Muscle Media.
The articles have been updated and the photos are new. If you never read or
saved his Muscle Media articles, then the book is well worth it. It's a big
book and covers a lot of different strength techniques but you could also
use some of the theory for bodybuilding.

Rob Pandolfo


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarn Ursell" <polyverse2002@...>
To: <Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: [HIT Digest] Beyond Bodybuilding by Pavel Tsatsouline


What can you people out there in Internet wounderland tell me about the book
"BEYOND BODYBUILDING" by Mr.Pavel Tsatouline?

   I HAVE seen his book Power to the People, and I have read other articles
by this authour, and as I recall he instructed multiple times per week
training, on the same exercise, but NOT to failure, which is pretty much
what a lot of Olympic Weightlifters do.

   I have a strong gut reaction that this book is for advanced beginners, and
intermediate advanced bodybuilders, and most elite athletes would have read
or heard about it.

   This book seems to cover a lot of "strength-building", and I thought that
it would be an interesting read, as who the heck wants to be BIG but NOT
strong, anyway?

   If anyone has read this book, could the please rate it on a scale of zero
to 100 for me, and please tell me a little about it?

   I also HIGHLY recommend a book called the "STRENGTH AND SPEED RATINGS for
2004", by Dale Harder, as I am pretty much a numbers man, look, there IS a
year 2006 edition, which I am saving for.

   They (Education Plus, which is Dale Harder's printing company) have a
formula for a rating on a scale of 0 to 1000 for WHAT PROPORTION of a
population can ahceive a certain feat, like climbing mount Everest without
oxygen tanks, or a shirted 1000 pound bench press, and a raw 700 pound bench
press.

   Would you apply this to a hyperbolic formula:

   e^x-e^-x
   ------------  *1000 for +ve x
   e^x+e^-x

   Where x is the reciprocal of the proportion of the lifters, or
sportsmen/women acheiveing a particular feat.

   Is this the formula that you'd use?

   Also, do you think that women's Olympic Weightlifting should be banned
from the Olympics?

   ----->Sarn.


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>  I may have to look into them can you do stiff leg dead lifts in them ?
> As i had form problems with normal deads i was useing my legs to much,
> and not hitting my back properly. All the best Jeremy
>>
>>    Have you tried Trapbar Deadlifts? Most of the above issues can be
> reduced
>> or even eliminated. The Trapbar is superior and allows better form on
> the
>> positive and more so on the negative phase while putting your hands
> in a
>> more natural and safer position. You get more for your money using a
> Trapbar
>> while being safer too, as long as good form is being used. I can't
> imagine
>> going back to regular deadlifts.
You can use a Trap Bar for stiff legged deadlifts, but be careful your back
is not rounded. Your grip is different with a Trap Bar, which means you will
most likely have an increase in your range of motion. Give them a try with
very light weight and gradually increase your weight if you can do them
safely.

    James aka Sacredsystem

not to start any type of argument here but i def. think that most people in the
strongman have a roid type look to them. and you are right i dont think henry is
entirely roid free. just opinion.

WAYNE <waynegr@...> wrote:
   Hi there,
   How would you know Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never used
them, and the rest are not, or were you being sarcastic.

   I think a lot of the WSM guys are quite natural, as they are just big huge
strong guys, take Zydrunas Savickas, he is huge 6' 3" and at the Arnolds was 390
pounds, about 28 stone, and then take Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds
and super ripped, and has dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is"
the worlds strongest man ever.

   Wayne


   Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never
used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

   Ken ONeill
   Long Life Fitness
   kayoneill@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: hmmmhmmhm
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 5/24/2006 8:31:04 PM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry


   I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
   likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
   just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
   britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
   to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
   macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
   his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
   also seems like a great guy.
   I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
   poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
   From Jeremy
   >
   > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
   wrestling
   > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
   Louisville, KY.
   > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
   Henry trains
   > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
   you'd ever want
   > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
   but
   > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
   pretty good about
   > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
   asked if he
   > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
   body to the
   > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
   complete the
   > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
   squat 500 for
   > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
   >
   > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
   > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
   > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
   > >
   > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
   impact.
   > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
   through most
   > > doorways!
   > >
   > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
   first workout
   > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
   biceps
   > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
   inch diameter
   > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
   This was at the
   > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
   team trains in
   > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
   enamel on them,
   > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
   weighed
   > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
   grip on it, nor
   > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
   one arm upright
   > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
   workout to
   > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
   > >
   > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
   on for
   > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
   flywheels that
   > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
   squatting over 900
   > > as a high school senior!
   > >
   > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
   open a can of
   > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
   > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
   last year, weighing in
   > > at well over 9 pounds.
   > >
   > > best
   > >
   > > Ken ONeill
   > > Long Life Fitness
   > > kayoneill@...
   > >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >









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How would I know? Terry Todd coached him for years. The Todds are major
advocates of drug-free training, both in coaching, as promoters, and in academic
conferences. Mark was born strong, and from a family of superstrong persons.

Ken ONeill
Long Life Fitness
kayoneill@...



----- Original Message -----
From: WAYNE
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/30/2006 4:32:08 AM
Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry Mariusz Pudzianowski Zydrunas Savickas



   Hi there,
   How would you know Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never used
them, and the rest are not, or were you being sarcastic.

   I think a lot of the WSM guys are quite natural, as they are just big huge
strong guys, take Zydrunas Savickas, he is huge 6' 3" and at the Arnolds was 390
pounds, about 28 stone, and then take Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds
and super ripped, and has dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is"
the worlds strongest man ever.

   Wayne


   Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never
used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

   Ken ONeill
   Long Life Fitness
   kayoneill@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: hmmmhmmhm
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 5/24/2006 8:31:04 PM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry


   I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
   likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
   just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
   britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
   to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
   macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
   his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
   also seems like a great guy.
   I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
   poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
   From Jeremy
   >
   > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
   wrestling
   > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
   Louisville, KY.
   > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
   Henry trains
   > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
   you'd ever want
   > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
   but
   > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
   pretty good about
   > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
   asked if he
   > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
   body to the
   > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
   complete the
   > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
   squat 500 for
   > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
   >
   > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
   > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
   > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
   > >
   > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
   impact.
   > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
   through most
   > > doorways!
   > >
   > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
   first workout
   > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
   biceps
   > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
   inch diameter
   > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
   This was at the
   > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
   team trains in
   > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
   enamel on them,
   > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
   weighed
   > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
   grip on it, nor
   > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
   one arm upright
   > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
   workout to
   > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
   > >
   > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
   on for
   > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
   flywheels that
   > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
   squatting over 900
   > > as a high school senior!
   > >
   > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
   open a can of
   > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
   > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
   last year, weighing in
   > > at well over 9 pounds.
   > >
   > > best
   > >
   > > Ken ONeill
   > > Long Life Fitness
   > > kayoneill@...
   > >
   >
   >
   >
   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >









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What can you people out there in Internet wounderland tell me about the book
"BEYOND BODYBUILDING" by Mr.Pavel Tsatouline?

   I HAVE seen his book Power to the People, and I have read other articles by
this authour, and as I recall he instructed multiple times per week training, on
the same exercise, but NOT to failure, which is pretty much what a lot of
Olympic Weightlifters do.

   I have a strong gut reaction that this book is for advanced beginners, and
intermediate advanced bodybuilders, and most elite athletes would have read or
heard about it.

   This book seems to cover a lot of "strength-building", and I thought that it
would be an interesting read, as who the heck wants to be BIG but NOT strong,
anyway?

   If anyone has read this book, could the please rate it on a scale of zero to
100 for me, and please tell me a little about it?

   I also HIGHLY recommend a book called the "STRENGTH AND SPEED RATINGS for
2004", by Dale Harder, as I am pretty much a numbers man, look, there IS a year
2006 edition, which I am saving for.

   They (Education Plus, which is Dale Harder's printing company) have a formula
for a rating on a scale of 0 to 1000 for WHAT PROPORTION of a population can
ahceive a certain feat, like climbing mount Everest without oxygen tanks, or a
shirted 1000 pound bench press, and a raw 700 pound bench press.

   Would you apply this to a hyperbolic formula:

   e^x-e^-x
   ------------  *1000 for +ve x
   e^x+e^-x

   Where x is the reciprocal of the proportion of the lifters, or sportsmen/women
acheiveing a particular feat.

   Is this the formula that you'd use?

   Also, do you think that women's Olympic Weightlifting should be banned from
the Olympics?

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In a message dated 5/26/06 6:58:27 PM, Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com writes:


> Is that a typo or did you realllly mean 6`3``?
>

I'm guessing 6'3" -- don't know for sure but that's my best estimate from
when I've been beside him.   Since I stand just 5'6" though, everyone over 6
feet
seems tall to me!


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Hi there,
   How would you know Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never used
them, and the rest are not, or were you being sarcastic.

   I think a lot of the WSM guys are quite natural, as they are just big huge
strong guys, take Zydrunas Savickas, he is huge 6' 3" and at the Arnolds was 390
pounds, about 28 stone, and then take Mariusz Pudzianowski, he is now 330 pounds
and super ripped, and has dominated this sport for the last four years, he "is"
the worlds strongest man ever.

   Wayne


   Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never
used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

   Ken ONeill
   Long Life Fitness
   kayoneill@...



   ----- Original Message -----
   From: hmmmhmmhm
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: 5/24/2006 8:31:04 PM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry


   I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
   likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
   just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
   britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
   to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
   macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
   his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
   also seems like a great guy.
   I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
   poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
   From Jeremy
   >
   > Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
   wrestling
   > school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
   Louisville, KY.
   > (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
   Henry trains
   > here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
   you'd ever want
   > to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
   but
   > friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
   pretty good about
   > doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
   asked if he
   > could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
   body to the
   > chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
   complete the
   > set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
   squat 500 for
   > reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
   >
   > > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
   > >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
   > > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
   > >
   > > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
   impact.
   > > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
   through most
   > > doorways!
   > >
   > > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
   first workout
   > > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
   biceps
   > > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
   inch diameter
   > > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
   This was at the
   > > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
   team trains in
   > > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
   enamel on them,
   > > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
   weighed
   > > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
   grip on it, nor
   > > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
   one arm upright
   > > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
   workout to
   > > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
   > >
   > > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
   on for
   > > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
   flywheels that
   > > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
   squatting over 900
   > > as a high school senior!
   > >
   > > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
   open a can of
   > > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
   > > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
   last year, weighing in
   > > at well over 9 pounds.
   > >
   > > best
   > >
   > > Ken ONeill
   > > Long Life Fitness
   > > kayoneill@...
   > >
   >
   >
   >
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Could we rate what proportion of a population can acheive a certain feat of
strength, speed, power, or endurance on a  scale from -1000 to 1000?

   I though that I could use the stnadard hyperbolic formula, with x as the
reciprocal of the proportion of the population acheiveing what ever specific
feat, and that I could also split a population in two, one for a negative
rating, and one for a positive rating, above and below a population set: P's
median.

   Have you any further thoughts on this?

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I may have to look into them can you do stiff leg dead lifts in them ?
As i had form problems with normal deads i was useing my legs to much,
and not hitting my back properly. All the best Jeremy
>
>    Have you tried Trapbar Deadlifts? Most of the above issues can be
reduced
> or even eliminated. The Trapbar is superior and allows better form on
the
> positive and more so on the negative phase while putting your hands
in a
> more natural and safer position. You get more for your money using a
Trapbar
> while being safer too, as long as good form is being used. I can't
imagine
> going back to regular deadlifts.
>
>     James aka Sacredsystem
>

I watched the DVDs one time. Here is what I recall.

The course comes with 2 DVD's. Possibly a book though I think that may be a
separate additional purchase.

The main focus of the program is
	 1. hindu pushups
	 2. hindu squats
	 3. neck bridges

DVD 1 contains numerous pushup variations and a discussion regarding how to
increase the intensity of them.

DVD 2 discusses deep breathing and squat variations. One of the DVDs also
contains a section regarding neck bridges.

Matt Furey seems to be quite strong... I believe he performed a set of 100
pushups using a variety of pushups, and ending with 'superman' push ups which
look to me to be extremely difficult.

All in all some good and interesting variations on there, though if my memory
serves me right... a bit pricey.

I never did see the book.

Ross Enamait http://www.warriorforce.com/
And
John Peterson http://www.bronzebowpublishing.com/

Are 2 other popular bodyweight training advocates. It all sounds very
interesting. I'd be curious to hear what others have to say


                                  Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of BCoburnree@...
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:19 PM
> To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HIT Digest] Matt Furey's 'Combat Conditioning'
>
> I was buying some magazines the other day, and picked up a copy of Popular
> Science, and noticed an ad from Matt Furey about a course he's selling called
> 'Combat Conditioning' -- does anybody know about this course? It seems he's
> repackaging bodyweight workouts in another fashion, but maybe this is
> different?
>
> Mike Reese
>
> "One must think like a hero to behave like a decent human being." - Unknown

Thanks I try not to use straps and hooks as i like to get my grip
strong and hit my fore arms, i may go back to normal grip but im sure
my weights will go down. Talking of fore arms its allways struck me
that as there on show the most that people dont pay more attention to
them, even over biceps. All my best Jeremy
>
> --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@> wrote:
> >
> >  I think im write in saying Stuart Mcrobert advocates useing a
> mixed
> > grip and he is very safety concious. It is a worry though i can
see
> > the dangers involved. From Jeremy
>
> I have 'Beyond Brawn'(Stuart McRobert) with me - (page 342)
>         'I always deadlifted with a pronated grip. I had found that
a
> mixed grip ( one hand supinated, and one pronated ) exposes me to
an
> increased risk of injury because of the torque produced.'
>                                      Stuart McRobert
>
> The only weight training injury I've had was from deadlifting. I
> injured my right - biceps tendon ( some tearing, I had
> physiotherapy). I had been using a mixed grip - strongest arm
under,
> weaker arm over.
> I don't do conventional deadlifts anymore, I do shrug-bar deadlifts
> using '1 ton hooks'. I'm guessing that the arm position with this
> exercise is safer compared with mixed grip conventional deadlifting.
>
> About the 1 ton hooks, perhaps you could use these in your
> deadlifting. You could have both hands under the bar.
>
> > >
> > > Currently I`m suffering from a broken r knee,
> > > Scioatica cause of a bulging disc in my back, strength
> > > assymmetry b/w R and L parts....
> > > I`m not saying all this was cause of my mixed rip
> > > deadlifting...but maybe it did contribute to it.
> > > I do remember reading an article on Cyberpump -it was
> > > by a PLifter who wrote about his back injuries caused
> > > by mixed grips. I dont remember the entire stuff -it
> > > was something like his trunk was rotating which caused
> > > pelvis postural imbalances......
> > >
> > > If I have to do it all over again -I would alt my
> > > mixed grips and also once in a while do Suitcase deads
> > > and 2DB deads.
> > >
> > > 1 last thing about mixed grip deads: There was this
> > > letter/article in ironman- in which Steve Holman was
> > > talking about the stretch component of his POF system
> > > and how good it is for hypertrophy and strength. He
> > > mentioned that this strongman(I cant recall his name-
> > > but he is often photographed in IM- he has long hair
> > > which he pulls into kindda pony tail) deadlifts with a
> > > mixed grip .The arm which is under the bar- the biceps
> > > of that arm gets more stretched and cause of that his
> > > R biceps is 3 inches bigger!
> > >
> > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Hi i use a mixed grip for deadlifts and i wonderd
> > > > how other people
> > > > warm up with the mixed grip? Currently i use a
> > > > normal grip on my
> > > > warmups untill i get to my final warm up where i
> > > > then switch to the
> > > > mixed grip i will use for my work sett and then the
> > > > next dead lift
> > > > workout i will make sure my grip is switched, so the
> > > > other palm is
> > > > facing out so as to keep things equal.
> > > > I heard some people use a mixed grip through out
> > > > there warm ups and
> > > > switch each set which hand has the palm facing out
> > > > grip, so in doing
> > > > they dont stress one side of the back more than the
> > > > other.
> > > >  Any thoughts welcome. Thanks Jeremy
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Yes, that is what he is doing. I have the book. Nothing really new.

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Palmetto, FL

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Behalf Of BCoburnree@...
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:19 PM
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HIT Digest] Matt Furey's 'Combat Conditioning'


I was buying some magazines the other day, and picked up a copy of Popular
Science, and noticed an ad from Matt Furey about a course he's selling
called
'Combat Conditioning' -- does anybody know about this course? It seems he's
repackaging bodyweight workouts in another fashion, but maybe this is
different?

Mike Reese

"One must think like a hero to behave like a decent human being." - Unknown



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Is that a typo or did you realllly mean 6`3``?
If thats correct -whooooooooooooo!
But on TV though he doesnt look that tall.

Amit


--- FlexWriter@... wrote:

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> here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the
> nicest people you'd ever want
> to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and
> around 350 pounds,

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'Combat Conditioning' -- does anybody know about this course? It seems he's
repackaging bodyweight workouts in another fashion, but maybe this is different?

Mike Reese

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>  I think im write in saying Stuart Mcrobert advocates useing a mixed
> grip and he is very safety concious. It is a worry though i can see
> the dangers involved. From Jeremy
>>
>> Currently I`m suffering from a broken r knee,
>> Scioatica cause of a bulging disc in my back, strength
>> assymmetry b/w R and L parts....
>> I`m not saying all this was cause of my mixed rip
>> deadlifting...but maybe it did contribute to it.
>> I do remember reading an article on Cyberpump -it was
>> by a PLifter who wrote about his back injuries caused
>> by mixed grips. I dont remember the entire stuff -it
>> was something like his trunk was rotating which caused
>> pelvis postural imbalances......
>>
>> If I have to do it all over again -I would alt my
>> mixed grips and also once in a while do Suitcase deads
>> and 2DB deads.

    Have you tried Trapbar Deadlifts? Most of the above issues can be reduced
or even eliminated. The Trapbar is superior and allows better form on the
positive and more so on the negative phase while putting your hands in a
more natural and safer position. You get more for your money using a Trapbar
while being safer too, as long as good form is being used. I can't imagine
going back to regular deadlifts.

     James aka Sacredsystem

Have to keep in mind that Mark is entirely natural, entirely drug-free, never
used them. If the other guys use steroid dope, then it ain't a fair match.

Ken ONeill
Long Life Fitness
kayoneill@...



----- Original Message -----
From: hmmmhmmhm
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 5/24/2006 8:31:04 PM
Subject: [HIT Digest] Re: Mark Henry


I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
also seems like a great guy.
I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
From Jeremy
>
> Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
wrestling
> school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
Louisville, KY.
> (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
Henry trains
> here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
you'd ever want
> to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
but
> friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
pretty good about
> doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
asked if he
> could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
body to the
> chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
complete the
> set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
squat 500 for
> reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
>
> > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
> >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
> > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
> >
> > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
impact.
> > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
through most
> > doorways!
> >
> > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
first workout
> > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
biceps
> > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
inch diameter
> > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
This was at the
> > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
team trains in
> > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
enamel on them,
> > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
weighed
> > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
grip on it, nor
> > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
one arm upright
> > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
workout to
> > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
> >
> > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
on for
> > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
flywheels that
> > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
squatting over 900
> > as a high school senior!
> >
> > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
open a can of
> > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
> > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
last year, weighing in
> > at well over 9 pounds.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Ken ONeill
> > Long Life Fitness
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--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@...> wrote:
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>  I think im write in saying Stuart Mcrobert advocates useing a
mixed
> grip and he is very safety concious. It is a worry though i can see
> the dangers involved. From Jeremy

I have 'Beyond Brawn'(Stuart McRobert) with me - (page 342)
         'I always deadlifted with a pronated grip. I had found that a
mixed grip ( one hand supinated, and one pronated ) exposes me to an
increased risk of injury because of the torque produced.'
                                      Stuart McRobert

The only weight training injury I've had was from deadlifting. I
injured my right - biceps tendon ( some tearing, I had
physiotherapy). I had been using a mixed grip - strongest arm under,
weaker arm over.
I don't do conventional deadlifts anymore, I do shrug-bar deadlifts
using '1 ton hooks'. I'm guessing that the arm position with this
exercise is safer compared with mixed grip conventional deadlifting.

About the 1 ton hooks, perhaps you could use these in your
deadlifting. You could have both hands under the bar.

> >
> > Currently I`m suffering from a broken r knee,
> > Scioatica cause of a bulging disc in my back, strength
> > assymmetry b/w R and L parts....
> > I`m not saying all this was cause of my mixed rip
> > deadlifting...but maybe it did contribute to it.
> > I do remember reading an article on Cyberpump -it was
> > by a PLifter who wrote about his back injuries caused
> > by mixed grips. I dont remember the entire stuff -it
> > was something like his trunk was rotating which caused
> > pelvis postural imbalances......
> >
> > If I have to do it all over again -I would alt my
> > mixed grips and also once in a while do Suitcase deads
> > and 2DB deads.
> >
> > 1 last thing about mixed grip deads: There was this
> > letter/article in ironman- in which Steve Holman was
> > talking about the stretch component of his POF system
> > and how good it is for hypertrophy and strength. He
> > mentioned that this strongman(I cant recall his name-
> > but he is often photographed in IM- he has long hair
> > which he pulls into kindda pony tail) deadlifts with a
> > mixed grip .The arm which is under the bar- the biceps
> > of that arm gets more stretched and cause of that his
> > R biceps is 3 inches bigger!
> >
> > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@> wrote:
> >
> > >  Hi i use a mixed grip for deadlifts and i wonderd
> > > how other people
> > > warm up with the mixed grip? Currently i use a
> > > normal grip on my
> > > warmups untill i get to my final warm up where i
> > > then switch to the
> > > mixed grip i will use for my work sett and then the
> > > next dead lift
> > > workout i will make sure my grip is switched, so the
> > > other palm is
> > > facing out so as to keep things equal.
> > > I heard some people use a mixed grip through out
> > > there warm ups and
> > > switch each set which hand has the palm facing out
> > > grip, so in doing
> > > they dont stress one side of the back more than the
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I think im write in saying Stuart Mcrobert advocates useing a mixed
grip and he is very safety concious. It is a worry though i can see
the dangers involved. From Jeremy
>
> Currently I`m suffering from a broken r knee,
> Scioatica cause of a bulging disc in my back, strength
> assymmetry b/w R and L parts....
> I`m not saying all this was cause of my mixed rip
> deadlifting...but maybe it did contribute to it.
> I do remember reading an article on Cyberpump -it was
> by a PLifter who wrote about his back injuries caused
> by mixed grips. I dont remember the entire stuff -it
> was something like his trunk was rotating which caused
> pelvis postural imbalances......
>
> If I have to do it all over again -I would alt my
> mixed grips and also once in a while do Suitcase deads
> and 2DB deads.
>
> 1 last thing about mixed grip deads: There was this
> letter/article in ironman- in which Steve Holman was
> talking about the stretch component of his POF system
> and how good it is for hypertrophy and strength. He
> mentioned that this strongman(I cant recall his name-
> but he is often photographed in IM- he has long hair
> which he pulls into kindda pony tail) deadlifts with a
> mixed grip .The arm which is under the bar- the biceps
> of that arm gets more stretched and cause of that his
> R biceps is 3 inches bigger!
>
> --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> wrote:
>
> >  Hi i use a mixed grip for deadlifts and i wonderd
> > how other people
> > warm up with the mixed grip? Currently i use a
> > normal grip on my
> > warmups untill i get to my final warm up where i
> > then switch to the
> > mixed grip i will use for my work sett and then the
> > next dead lift
> > workout i will make sure my grip is switched, so the
> > other palm is
> > facing out so as to keep things equal.
> > I heard some people use a mixed grip through out
> > there warm ups and
> > switch each set which hand has the palm facing out
> > grip, so in doing
> > they dont stress one side of the back more than the
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I say Mentzer first check out his obliques no one had that much
deffinition on there obliques. Coe 2nd it was the best condition i
have ever seen him arms and back cream Zanes then 3rd i would say
arnie and zane tie for 3rd . From Jeremy
>
> No way, I've seen the video detail. It should have been Zane's
fourth win.
>
> Ken ONeill
> Long Life Fitness
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 5/23/2006 4:31:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Chcck out Mike Mentzer posing. Awesome
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>
>
> Thus Spake Ken ONeill <kayoneill@...>
>
> >Yeah, Mentzer second, Coe third, and Zane first - despite a smaller
> bone
> >structure, he was the overall best.
> You wanted to say Mentzer first, Zane second and Coe third right? :-
)
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Truth of the matter is that both work. Poliquin makes the point that the more
highly trained you become, the more need to change routines very frequently -
better trained athletes adapt much faster than do lesser so persons. Drop sets,
double drop sets all work.

As for science, I'm not sure any studies look at highly trained bodybuilders.
There is considerable literature on strength training, much of it originally
from the Soviet Union way back when it existed. Studies of bodybuilding are hard
to do - in large part because the world class guys all lie about what they're
using. They may become the first generation of forensic reports on morbidity
induced by bizarrer pharmacological intake.

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http://www.arthurdevany.com/archives/2005/07/ascending_or_de.html


Is there anything scientific to prove this ( ascending and/or descending
sets) or is this one persons preference to working out ??


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I wonder how he would fair in the world strongest man up against the
likes of Zydunus Savickas, im sure he would compete with them he has
just the write balance of power and speed. Unlike Glen Ross he is
britains strongest or there abouts and he wastes him self he, seems
to refuse to use his legs at all in the log lifts he just does the
macho thing of pressing it out, he still wins though but if he sorted
his fitness and speed out hed be up there with the best im sure, he
also seems like a great guy.
  I once read in Muscle and fitness that Lesner can use the same
poundage as Ronnie colemen does for dumbell rows.
  From Jeremy
>
> Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a
wrestling
> school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in
Louisville, KY.
> (Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark
Henry trains
> here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people
you'd ever want
> to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds,
but
> friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling
pretty good about
> doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark
asked if he
> could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive
body to the
> chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to
complete the
> set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him
squat 500 for
> reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.
>
> > From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
> >     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
> > Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
> >
> > Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the
impact.
> > His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go
through most
> > doorways!
> >
> > When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his
first workout
> > in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn
biceps
> > tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three
inch diameter
> > round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates.
This was at the
> > University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football
team trains in
> > - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange
enamel on them,
> > making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle
weighed
> > nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a
grip on it, nor
> > could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing
one arm upright
> > and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light
workout to
> > loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
> >
> > Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained
on for
> > some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig
flywheels that
> > work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was
squatting over 900
> > as a high school senior!
> >
> > Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can
open a can of
> > soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
> > dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born
last year, weighing in
> > at well over 9 pounds.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Ken ONeill
> > Long Life Fitness
> > kayoneill@...
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I seem to recall Dave Goodin telling me Mark was squatting well over 900 pounds
when a senior in high school.

Mark's early coaching was done by Professor Terry Todd of the dept of
Kinesiology, University of Texas, Austin - co-creator with his wife Jan of the
Todd-McLean Physical Culture archives at UT, a 200,000 plus special collection.
Forty years ago Terry was the first superheavyweight powerlifting champion,
while Jan was the first woman to squat over 500 about 30 years ago - today, in
her late fifties, she still does deadlift reps with more than 400 pounds. Terry
wrote the first powerlifting training book, while he and Jan did the first
training book for seniors a good 20 years ago. He produces the annual strongman
competition at the Arnold Classic. All of which is to say Mark had the best
coaching one can imagine with the Todds. For those interested, the Todd-McLean
center publishes Irongame Historical Quarterly, a fine and unique publication
dedicated to bodybuilding, Olympic, powerlifting and strongman history. Joe
Weider recently donated one million dollars to the center, recognizing that it's
unique work as the largest such library in the world provides a good home caring
for our history and ensuring that researchers in the future will get the stories
right. To learn more, visit their website at UT.

To get up on  a soapbox, one of the important values of the Todd-McLean
collection lies in it being a repository of Irongame publications and history.
One of the deficits of most of our magazines is that they make everything sound
new and unique - so they can sell products. Much of what's said is not new nor
unique, but you'll never know that without a sense of our sport's history. Some
books have already been largely researched at the center - for example, the
wonderful study entitled Muscletown, USA about the dominance of bodybuilding and
lifting by the  York Barbell Company/Bob Hoffman through the late 1970s. That's
why Art Jones had to publish in Ironman - no one else would publish his articles
since it would hurt business as normal. Significantly, when Peary and Mabel
Rader sold off Ironman 20 years ago, the Todd-McLean collection acquired
everything but the rights to publishing the magazine. All the historical
materials are in Austin. The Todds had thought of publishing the magazine as
well, but recognition that doing so would have to include reporting on steroid
and drug users stopped them: they are advocates of drug free, natural lifting
and bodybuilding, and of telling the truth - not the misrepresentation that so
often marks commercial publications.

One feature of Irongame Historical Quarterly that I like is its reports on old
timer gatherings. Some of the greats of the past still get together each year,
many still train. that shows how regular training results in good condition
through a long life. anti-aging specialists are beginning to recognize the one
golden pill that slows down aging is weight training, specifically bodybuilding.

best



Ken ONeill
Long Life Fitness
kayoneill@...



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Subject: [HIT Digest] Mark Henry


Many of the up-and-coming WWE wrestlers learn their moves at a wrestling
school in southern Indiana and lift at the gym where I train in Louisville, KY.
(Brock Lessnar was a regular before he hit the big time)   Mark Henry trains
here when he's in town.   And yes, he is one of the nicest people you'd ever
want
to meet.   Intimidatingly huge at about 6'3" and around 350 pounds, but
friendly to everyone.   I was doing chin-ups one day, feeling pretty good about
doing reps with 60 pounds strapped to my 190-pound frame and Mark asked if he
could work in.   I was astounded as I watched him pull his massive body to the
chin-up bar for 10 controlled, perfect reps, not even straining to complete the
set.   I've never seen him squat super-heavy, but I watched him squat 500 for
reps effortlessly.   What an incredible specimen.

> From: "Ken ONeill" kayoneill@...
>     Date: Mon May 22, 2006 6:58pm(PDT)
> Subject: Re: Once per week is good! strong people
>
> Mark is simply unbelievable and has to be seen to really have the impact.
> His shoulders are so huge that he has to turn sideways to go through most
> doorways!
>
> When I first met him two years ago it was the occasion of his first workout
> in four months due to surgery for a shoulder separation and torn biceps
> tendon. Terry Todd had made him a new dumbbell - a peice of three inch
diameter
> round stock milled down on the ends to accept Olympic plates. This was at the
> University of Texas' gym, the one its Roseball winning football team trains in
> - with Olympic plates having multiple layers of burnt orange enamel on them,
> making them all heavier than indicated poundage. That db handle weighed
> nearly 25 pounds empty. Maddog Madden at 6'6" could not get a grip on it, nor
> could the much shorter me! We watched Mark work up to 225 doing one arm
upright
> and bent rows with it for sets of 5 - remember, this was a light workout to
> loosen up his shoulder and start rehabilitating it.
>
> Out at the Double T Ranch you can see the power rack Mark trained on for
> some years, most remarkable part of which is the recycled oil rig flywheels
that
> work as 300 pounds apiece plates for his training. He was squatting over 900
> as a high school senior!
>
> Mark wears an 8.75" hat, while no gloves made fit him. He can open a can of
> soda simply by squeezing it. And he's one of the nicest, sweetest
> dispositioned persons you'll ever meet. His little son was born last year,
weighing in
> at well over 9 pounds.
>
> best
>
> Ken ONeill
> Long Life Fitness
> kayoneill@...
>



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<SNIP>Once a week training my arse,

   Sarn says: No, actually, you are supossed to train ALL you're muscle groups,
each once per week.

   <SNIP>Dont be so stupid

   Sarn says:Not stupid, mate, just ignorant

   <SNIP>What about all those olympic lifters,
   Have you seen the amount of volume they do??

   Sarn says:Yes, they DO train 3-5 times per week, sometimes several times per
day, but please to be aware that they use a LOW relative intensity, and 
(generally) a high absolute intensity.

   In other words, they DO NOT go to absolute failure, all of the time, and spend
only a little (to the best of my knowledge) using ecccentric only training, ALL
TO FAILURE.

   <SNIP>Drugs u say?

   Sarn says:That would be a factor also.

   <SNIP>thats an easy cop out for be crap!!!!!!!!!

   Sarn says:What does that mean in English?! :o)


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No way, I've seen the video detail. It should have been Zane's fourth win.

Ken ONeill
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Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Chcck out Mike Mentzer posing. Awesome stuff


Thus Spake Ken ONeill <kayoneill@...>

>Yeah, Mentzer second, Coe third, and Zane first - despite a smaller
bone
>structure, he was the overall best.
You wanted to say Mentzer first, Zane second and Coe third right? :-)

   James

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