Hi,

I stopped doing bench presses a few months ago. Since then I only did
incline dumbell presses for chest. I was feeling strong in January and
February and increased the poundage. I decided to try out bench press
every couple weeks. It has been a long term goal to bench 100 kg
(225). I did 90 kg for about 6 reps and left strong. The next time I
did 60 x 12, 90 x 5 and then (finally) 100 x 1. Heavy but no problem.
It felt great and I was incredibly pleased with myself.

I didn't do any chest work for two weeks. The next time I was in the
gym I wanted to try to do 100 x 2 or 3. I felt strong and motivated.
(I am not usually into such low reps but doing 2 plates makes me feel
great.) And... I failed. I did bar only X 20, 60 x 10, 90 x 5, and
then couldn't move the 100 at all. People whispered behind my back
"there goes the guy who couldn't press 2 plates" etc. ... OK, that is
not true, but I felt like shit for several days after.

I was surfing the net reading some information on how powerlifters
increase their lifts and came across a couple pages I want to share
with you.

First one is here:
http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/bpress.htm

Scroll down to the "1-RM Bench Press Assessment Calculator" and enter
your information. It told me that at a reference value of 1.19 my
bench press is "excellent". Don't know how they come up with this but
it makes me feel better.

Secondly, check out the "The Ultimate Strength Chart" here:
http://www.criticalbench.com/strengthchart.htm

Again, I don't know how they come up with the figures but it gives an
interesting perspective on your strength for various lifts.

Craig

Ha!Ha!
Very funny like hell:(

But your wk-out advice is right.
Thats exactly what I`m doing- all unilateral work..



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not to sound cruel but why did you continue to squat if you form was
so bad and you had pain?? why didn't you try substituting a deadlift
or a leg press instead ?? what kind of knee surgury did you have ??


--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, amit sardal <coolfighter_k1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hip Hike:Freom what I`ve gathered this ncondition is
> as the name suggests having a Hi higher than the
> other.
> I would blame my wrong training for this.
> I`m flat-footed with my R foot much more
> pronated/twisted.
> Whane i used to squat I used to often notice that my
> knees were coming in and used to shake like hell.
> I ignored the condition rather then take some
> preventive measure like strenghtening my adductors.
> Then my R knee started hurting me-again i ignored it
> cause the pain was not too much....this went on for a
> year. Then the knee pain became too much to handle and
> i stopped tarining. After 2 months of no training i
> found that even body-wt. squats hurt me so I sought
> medical advice.
> Also the same thing about my R glute. Whenever i
> squatted I had my R glute muscles stretched more
> heavily than my L. Again I ignored it till that
> 'stretch' turned into something like a realy heavy
> pain in my ass-literally.
>
> Stupid? Yup!
> The rest of te stuff: I continued training and started
> notcing body-part assymetries and strngth
> differencces.
> For eg: during presses(any kind) I felt than my R was
> longer than L.
> During deads the L side of the bar used to touch
> ground way before my R.....
> My R peac and R lats were always way more pumped than
> my L during bilateral exercises(like Benches, dips,
> pull ups, rows etc..)
>
> I guess one thing kept leading to another...
>
> I had a knee surgery in Nov.
>
> And here I am now.
> _____________________________________
>
>
> --- xhawks97 <gparker@...> wrote:
>
> > Please make this a longer story -
> >
> > what is a hip hike ?? why did training cause these
> > issues you are
> > experiencing ?? why is your right side so much
> > stronger than your
> > left  - everyone has one side sronger but not that
> > much -
> > why is your left glute stronger and how you you even
> > measure that ??
> >
> > most people also tend to have one limb shorter than
> > the other but
> > again it not by much  -
> >
> > Please elaborate -
> ________________________________________
> >
> > --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, amit sardal
> > <coolfighter_k1@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey All
> > > I`m currently suffering from a Hip Hike.
> > > Its a long story-wrong and stupid training, a knee
> > > surgery and currently doing my rehab.
> > > To cut that long story short here are some of my
> > > probs:
> > > *R knee pain-I went an arthroscopic surgery and
> > its
> > > much better than before.
> > > Currently I`m still suffering from:
> > > 1.Upper-body: Right much stronger than Left.
> > > 2.Lower Body:
> > > *L glute stronger than R.
> > > *R hams stronger than L.
> > > 3.Flexibility:
> > > *R part of trunk much tighter than L.
> > > In fact my R shoulder is lower than L.
> > > My R leg often seems to be longer than L.
> > >
> > > I`ve been to 2 surgeons, 2 physios(1 of them a
> > > supposed sports specialist, 1 reg MBBS doc, 1 alt
> > med
> > > doc.....)
> > > None of them`ve helped...they have helped me a
> > little
> > > here and a little there-but you can see outright
> > their
> > > main focus is that I should be able to walk
> > properly
> > > on my feet-anything more than that seems to be
> > time
> > > pass-something I shouldnt be wastimg my time doing
> > > anyway. Except for the sports specilist they all
> > told
> > > me outright that getting into Sqts, doing all
> > those
> > > deads will hurt me.
> > >
> > > So if any of you have suffered from a Hip Hike or
> > know
> > > someone who has
> > > I would really like to know what you guys did to
> > fix
> > > it.
> > > Any advice is welcome..
> ___________________________________________
>
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Training is truly a personal one and only you can make these
decisions. You can ask 1000 people and you will get a 1000 different
answers. I would suggest 2 whole body workouts a week consisting of
something like

Squat                         Incline
Bench                         Pullover
Pulldown                      Trap bar deadlift
Military                      Dip
Shrug                         Curl
Row                           Hammer leg press
Calf                          seated calf
crunch                        crunch


Now do you want to train to failure using 8 to 12 reps as a guide ??

Do you want to set a rep range of say 8 and train one rep short of
total failure and microplate ??

Do you want to try some form of cycling or periodization ??

Do you want to add some isolation exercises ??

Do you have other activities that tap into you recouperation ??

These are all decisions you have to make through trail and error as
to what you like and dislike.

I would recommend checking out these sites and take what you like
and discard the rest

www.cbass.com

www.naturalstrength.com

www.hardgainer.com

www.cyberpump.com

www.arthurdevany.com

Good luck in your training

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "jrc_alton" <joealton@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm interested in HIT training but am overwhelmed as where to
> start. I decided I'd seek advice here as what better place to ask
> about HIT then a HIT community!
>
> I have always shyed away from HIT as it is portrayed to
be "cranky".
> This article for instance:
> http://www.physicalstrategies.com/articles/micromovement.html, is
> quite a funny representation of how HIT training sounds to most
> people. It seems to go against many commonly accepted training
> principles and when one goes to look it up we just get bormbarded
of
> stories of Arthur Jones and what-not.
>
> A little background. I have been training with weights for almost
two
> years now. I have trained almost exculsively low reps, not to
failure
> and often multiple sets, I have even done as many as 20 sets for an
> exercise before. I used to train exclusively for strength but
recently
> I have been wanting to gain some mass and that's why I'm in a high
> volume rut. The more high volume sessions I do the more I feel the
> whole high-volume, not-to- failure philisophy is BS, at least for
mass
> gain. I just get tired and bored and end up spending more and more
> time in the gym and weight training starts to feels like a chore.
>
> Me and my cousains(who got me interested in weight lifting) where
> always built simmilarly when they were younger yet they gained a
lot
> more mass then I did from lifting weights. They trained hard, to
> failure, doing two or three sets with no cycling, maybe not HIT but
> closer to HIT then I have ever been. I guess I got caught up in too
> many books and forgot the most important factor: intensity.
>
> So my question is: Where to start? At the moment I am without a
> regimen. Has anyone got an article I can use for now, so I can
> formulate a HIT routine to keep me going?
>
> HIT seems to go against many training principles. Do people on here
> not beleive in periodisation? Are there HIT books you recommend
with a
> fair amount of science. I am student so my funds are limited so i
> cannot buy all the books of all the HIT authors. My course is
exercise
> related so don't worry about the book being too advanced, I am fed
up
> of pamphlet simplicity books as well such as muscle logic.
>
> I've heard of HIT training as little as one 35 minute session week.
> Can you really get results with such an abbreviated routine? Would
you
> recommend such a routine? I would prefer this type of routine as I
am
> often in need of more time.
>
> Help is appreciated,
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe
>

Amit,

I'm starting to think that this might be a nervous or
nutritional issue.  That's just too much.  Now, I'm
not at all qualified to give you advice, but it seems
that you need to do only unilateral movements for
everything, starting with the weaker side of course
and matching the weak side's performance with the
strong side.  One-leg squats and curls and presses and
extensions and calf raises...  one-arm rows and
pulldowns and pulls and chest presses and shoulder
presses and laterals and curls and triceps extensions.


OR, you could get a job as a circus contortionist!

  --- amit sardal <coolfighter_k1@...>
escribió:

> Hip Hike:Freom what I`ve gathered this ncondition is
> as the name suggests having a Hi higher than the
> other.
> I would blame my wrong training for this.
> I`m flat-footed with my R foot much more
> pronated/twisted.
> Whane i used to squat I used to often notice that my
> knees were coming in and used to shake like hell.
> I ignored the condition rather then take some
> preventive measure like strenghtening my adductors.
> Then my R knee started hurting me-again i ignored it
> cause the pain was not too much....this went on for
> a
> year. Then the knee pain became too much to handle
> and
> i stopped tarining. After 2 months of no training i
> found that even body-wt. squats hurt me so I sought
> medical advice.
> Also the same thing about my R glute. Whenever i
> squatted I had my R glute muscles stretched more
> heavily than my L. Again I ignored it till that
> 'stretch' turned into something like a realy heavy
> pain in my ass-literally.
>
> Stupid? Yup!
> The rest of te stuff: I continued training and
> started
> notcing body-part assymetries and strngth
> differencces.
> For eg: during presses(any kind) I felt than my R
> was
> longer than L.
> During deads the L side of the bar used to touch
> ground way before my R.....
> My R peac and R lats were always way more pumped
> than
> my L during bilateral exercises(like Benches, dips,
> pull ups, rows etc..)
>
> I guess one thing kept leading to another...
>
> I had a knee surgery in Nov.
>
> And here I am now.
> _____________________________________
>
>
> --- xhawks97 <gparker@...> wrote:
>
> > Please make this a longer story -
> >
> > what is a hip hike ?? why did training cause these
> > issues you are
> > experiencing ?? why is your right side so much
> > stronger than your
> > left  - everyone has one side sronger but not that
> > much -
> > why is your left glute stronger and how you you
> even
> > measure that ??
> >
> > most people also tend to have one limb shorter
> than
> > the other but
> > again it not by much  -
> >
> > Please elaborate -
> ________________________________________
> >
> > --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, amit sardal
> > <coolfighter_k1@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey All
> > > I`m currently suffering from a Hip Hike.
> > > Its a long story-wrong and stupid training, a
> knee
> > > surgery and currently doing my rehab.
> > > To cut that long story short here are some of my
> > > probs:
> > > *R knee pain-I went an arthroscopic surgery and
> > its
> > > much better than before.
> > > Currently I`m still suffering from:
> > > 1.Upper-body: Right much stronger than Left.
> > > 2.Lower Body:
> > > *L glute stronger than R.
> > > *R hams stronger than L.
> > > 3.Flexibility:
> > > *R part of trunk much tighter than L.
> > > In fact my R shoulder is lower than L.
> > > My R leg often seems to be longer than L.
> > >
> > > I`ve been to 2 surgeons, 2 physios(1 of them a
> > > supposed sports specialist, 1 reg MBBS doc, 1
> alt
> > med
> > > doc.....)
> > > None of them`ve helped...they have helped me a
> > little
> > > here and a little there-but you can see outright
> > their
> > > main focus is that I should be able to walk
> > properly
> > > on my feet-anything more than that seems to be
> > time
> > > pass-something I shouldnt be wastimg my time
> doing
> > > anyway. Except for the sports specilist they all
> > told
> > > me outright that getting into Sqts, doing all
> > those
> > > deads will hurt me.
> > >
> > > So if any of you have suffered from a Hip Hike
> or
> > know
> > > someone who has
> > > I would really like to know what you guys did to
> > fix
> > > it.
> > > Any advice is welcome..
> ___________________________________________
>
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I highly recommend doing up and down the rack style of lifting.

You should lift twice a week doing upper body on sun, mon or tuesday,
then legs on thursday, friday or saturday.

Up and down the rack training involves just about every lifting
principle that exists.

Do one compound and isolation chest exercise, then do side lateral,
rear delt fly, then one row and pulldown exercise for the back.

  Then do pushdows, one set of dips to failure. Then one bicep
exercise and change the bicep exercise each week.


For legs : alternate squat and leg press each week , leg extensions
and calf raise.


Example: Incline bench press

empty bar for 6 reps, add a ten to each side and do 6 reps. Keep
doing this until you can no longer add weight and do around 6 reps.
Rest very little inbetween the sets. Just getting up , and adding the
weight , or close to 30 seconds is optimal.

  When you do your last set and cant do another rep, have someone take
a ten off each side or do it youself. Do as many reps as you can.
Take weight off and keep doing this until you just have a ten on each
side. Do as many reps as you can.

  You can see why no second exercise is needed. This is a very hard,
intense , but fun and effective way to train.

Example: side lateral:

5's for 6 reps, 10's for 6 reps, 15's for 6 reps, 20's for 6 reps, 25
[s for 6 rep, then back down to the 20's to failure, then 15's to
failure, then 10's to failure. Its possible after doing this you cant
even raise your arms, and already sore.

Doing this about once a month or a full month twice a year will give
you results like you've never seen before.

  Hope this helps some , Later Chris

Hip Hike:Freom what I`ve gathered this ncondition is
as the name suggests having a Hi higher than the
other.
I would blame my wrong training for this.
I`m flat-footed with my R foot much more
pronated/twisted.
Whane i used to squat I used to often notice that my
knees were coming in and used to shake like hell.
I ignored the condition rather then take some
preventive measure like strenghtening my adductors.
Then my R knee started hurting me-again i ignored it
cause the pain was not too much....this went on for a
year. Then the knee pain became too much to handle and
i stopped tarining. After 2 months of no training i
found that even body-wt. squats hurt me so I sought
medical advice.
Also the same thing about my R glute. Whenever i
squatted I had my R glute muscles stretched more
heavily than my L. Again I ignored it till that
'stretch' turned into something like a realy heavy
pain in my ass-literally.

Stupid? Yup!
The rest of te stuff: I continued training and started
notcing body-part assymetries and strngth
differencces.
For eg: during presses(any kind) I felt than my R was
longer than L.
During deads the L side of the bar used to touch
ground way before my R.....
My R peac and R lats were always way more pumped than
my L during bilateral exercises(like Benches, dips,
pull ups, rows etc..)

I guess one thing kept leading to another...

I had a knee surgery in Nov.

And here I am now.
_____________________________________


--- xhawks97 <gparker@...> wrote:

> Please make this a longer story -
>
> what is a hip hike ?? why did training cause these
> issues you are
> experiencing ?? why is your right side so much
> stronger than your
> left  - everyone has one side sronger but not that
> much -
> why is your left glute stronger and how you you even
> measure that ??
>
> most people also tend to have one limb shorter than
> the other but
> again it not by much  -
>
> Please elaborate -
________________________________________
>
> --- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, amit sardal
> <coolfighter_k1@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey All
> > I`m currently suffering from a Hip Hike.
> > Its a long story-wrong and stupid training, a knee
> > surgery and currently doing my rehab.
> > To cut that long story short here are some of my
> > probs:
> > *R knee pain-I went an arthroscopic surgery and
> its
> > much better than before.
> > Currently I`m still suffering from:
> > 1.Upper-body: Right much stronger than Left.
> > 2.Lower Body:
> > *L glute stronger than R.
> > *R hams stronger than L.
> > 3.Flexibility:
> > *R part of trunk much tighter than L.
> > In fact my R shoulder is lower than L.
> > My R leg often seems to be longer than L.
> >
> > I`ve been to 2 surgeons, 2 physios(1 of them a
> > supposed sports specialist, 1 reg MBBS doc, 1 alt
> med
> > doc.....)
> > None of them`ve helped...they have helped me a
> little
> > here and a little there-but you can see outright
> their
> > main focus is that I should be able to walk
> properly
> > on my feet-anything more than that seems to be
> time
> > pass-something I shouldnt be wastimg my time doing
> > anyway. Except for the sports specilist they all
> told
> > me outright that getting into Sqts, doing all
> those
> > deads will hurt me.
> >
> > So if any of you have suffered from a Hip Hike or
> know
> > someone who has
> > I would really like to know what you guys did to
> fix
> > it.
> > Any advice is welcome..
___________________________________________

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Hi, I'm interested in HIT training but am overwhelmed as where to
start. I decided I'd seek advice here as what better place to ask
about HIT then a HIT community!

I have always shyed away from HIT as it is portrayed to be "cranky".
This article for instance:
http://www.physicalstrategies.com/articles/micromovement.html, is
quite a funny representation of how HIT training sounds to most
people. It seems to go against many commonly accepted training
principles and when one goes to look it up we just get bormbarded of
stories of Arthur Jones and what-not.

A little background. I have been training with weights for almost two
years now. I have trained almost exculsively low reps, not to failure
and often multiple sets, I have even done as many as 20 sets for an
exercise before. I used to train exclusively for strength but recently
I have been wanting to gain some mass and that's why I'm in a high
volume rut. The more high volume sessions I do the more I feel the
whole high-volume, not-to- failure philisophy is BS, at least for mass
gain. I just get tired and bored and end up spending more and more
time in the gym and weight training starts to feels like a chore.

Me and my cousains(who got me interested in weight lifting) where
always built simmilarly when they were younger yet they gained a lot
more mass then I did from lifting weights. They trained hard, to
failure, doing two or three sets with no cycling, maybe not HIT but
closer to HIT then I have ever been. I guess I got caught up in too
many books and forgot the most important factor: intensity.

So my question is: Where to start? At the moment I am without a
regimen. Has anyone got an article I can use for now, so I can
formulate a HIT routine to keep me going?

HIT seems to go against many training principles. Do people on here
not beleive in periodisation? Are there HIT books you recommend with a
fair amount of science. I am student so my funds are limited so i
cannot buy all the books of all the HIT authors. My course is exercise
related so don't worry about the book being too advanced, I am fed up
of pamphlet simplicity books as well such as muscle logic.

I've heard of HIT training as little as one 35 minute session week.
Can you really get results with such an abbreviated routine? Would you
recommend such a routine? I would prefer this type of routine as I am
often in need of more time.

Help is appreciated,
Thanks in advance,
Joe

Hi,

I think all powerlifting should be raw, not even a belt, I only take the raw
records as records.

Wayne


   Ya, raw is the way to go. I know of guys that have lifted more in the bench
   press in competition over a couple of years but have actually gotten weaker
   in their raw lifting. They simply learned to use a bench shirt
   better/tighter. How in the hell could this be satisfying is beyond me?

   Dr. Dave

   > Message: 4
   >   Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:36:45 -0600
   >   From: "Ken ONeill" <kayoneill@...>
   > Subject: RE: Show me the money
   >
   > Very few make money in powerlifting, and that's only when they take the
   > step forward to coaching that yields results. Louie Simmons comes to mind
   > immediately, as does his apparent protoge, Dave Tate.
   >
   > Aside from the drugs, it's estimated that a repetroire of those prosytic
   > devices - the shirts - run upwards of a thousand dollars for a basic set.
   > I personally prefer raw, unaided power.


   You mentioned shirts and that's what I was referring to but powerlifting has
   all three....drugs, cheats, and shirts. I love the challenge of raw
   clean(drug free) lifting and legal lifts.

   Absofreakinglutely!!! And I'm pretttier, smell better and more wise.

   Dr. Dave

   > Message: 5
   >   Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:18:36 -0000
   >   From: "xhawks97" <gparker@...>
   > Subject: Re: Show me the money
   >
   >
   > I was refering to lifting and sports in general m- not just power
   > lifting as a single entity.
   >
   > Are you better today ??




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Ya, raw is the way to go. I know of guys that have lifted more in the bench
press in competition over a couple of years but have actually gotten weaker
in their raw lifting. They simply learned to use a bench shirt
better/tighter. How in the hell could this be satisfying is beyond me?

Dr. Dave

> Message: 4
>   Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:36:45 -0600
>   From: "Ken ONeill" <kayoneill@...>
> Subject: RE: Show me the money
>
> Very few make money in powerlifting, and that's only when they take the
> step forward to coaching that yields results. Louie Simmons comes to mind
> immediately, as does his apparent protoge, Dave Tate.
>
> Aside from the drugs, it's estimated that a repetroire of those prosytic
> devices - the shirts - run upwards of a thousand dollars for a basic set.
> I personally prefer raw, unaided power.


You mentioned shirts and that's what I was referring to but powerlifting has
all three....drugs, cheats, and shirts. I love the challenge of raw
clean(drug free) lifting and legal lifts.

Absofreakinglutely!!! And I'm pretttier, smell better and more wise.

Dr. Dave

> Message: 5
>   Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:18:36 -0000
>   From: "xhawks97" <gparker@...>
> Subject: Re: Show me the money
>
>
> I was refering to lifting and sports in general m- not just power
> lifting as a single entity.
>
> Are you better today ??

Please make this a longer story -

what is a hip hike ?? why did training cause these issues you are
experiencing ?? why is your right side so much stronger than your
left  - everyone has one side sronger but not that much -
why is your left glute stronger and how you you even measure that ??

most people also tend to have one limb shorter than the other but
again it not by much  -

Please elaborate -


--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, amit sardal <coolfighter_k1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hey All
> I`m currently suffering from a Hip Hike.
> Its a long story-wrong and stupid training, a knee
> surgery and currently doing my rehab.
> To cut that long story short here are some of my
> probs:
> *R knee pain-I went an arthroscopic surgery and its
> much better than before.
> Currently I`m still suffering from:
> 1.Upper-body: Right much stronger than Left.
> 2.Lower Body:
> *L glute stronger than R.
> *R hams stronger than L.
> 3.Flexibility:
> *R part of trunk much tighter than L.
> In fact my R shoulder is lower than L.
> My R leg often seems to be longer than L.
>
> I`ve been to 2 surgeons, 2 physios(1 of them a
> supposed sports specialist, 1 reg MBBS doc, 1 alt med
> doc.....)
> None of them`ve helped...they have helped me a little
> here and a little there-but you can see outright their
> main focus is that I should be able to walk properly
> on my feet-anything more than that seems to be time
> pass-something I shouldnt be wastimg my time doing
> anyway. Except for the sports specilist they all told
> me outright that getting into Sqts, doing all those
> deads will hurt me.
>
> So if any of you have suffered from a Hip Hike or know
> someone who has
> I would really like to know what you guys did to fix
> it.
> Any advice is welcome..
>
>
>
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I agree - Isn't it nice to know that what you acomplished was all
you. I wonder how Sosa and Palmaro feel knowing now that their
records should by all means have an asterick beside them ( probably
counting their money all the way to the bank) - and also knowing
that a 185 lb Hank Aaron did it unaided ( I hope )

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "Ken ONeill" <kayoneill@...> wrote:
>
> Very few make money in powerlifting, and that's only when they
take the step forward to coaching that yields results. Louie Simmons
comes to mind immediately, as does his apparent protoge, Dave Tate.
>
> Aside from the drugs, it's estimated that a repetroire of those
prosytic devices - the shirts - run upwards of a thousand dollars
for a basic set. I personally prefer raw, unaided power.
>
>
>
> Ken ONeill
> Long Life Fitness
> kayoneill@...
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Lewandowski
> To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 2/20/2006 9:25:40 AM
> Subject: [HIT Digest] Show me the money
>
>
> What money is there in powerlifting? None from my experience.
Their drug
> cycles aren't even covered for the the first week. The drug takers
in
> powerlifting do it merely for some distorted ego issues. Not that
exchanging
> their health for money would be any better if it were available
though many
> seem to think it's O.K. as long as they are "professional". I
still love
> powerlifting though. It's about comparing myself yesterday with
the day
> before. Am I better today than I was yesterday?
>
> Dr. Dave
>
>
> >Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:52 -0000
>    From: "xhawks97" <gparker@...>
> >Subject: Re: Strength potentiol
>
> >Ken - your right but as long as big money is involved there will
> >always be people looking for the advantage whether it be through
> >drugs, lifting shirts, cheating etc
>
>
>
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I was refering to lifting and sports in general m- not just power
lifting as a single entity.

Are you better today ??



--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "David Lewandowski" <drdave@...>
wrote:
>
> What money is there in powerlifting? None from my experience.
Their drug
> cycles aren't even covered for the the first week. The drug takers
in
> powerlifting do it merely for some distorted ego issues. Not that
exchanging
> their health for money would be any better if it were available
though many
> seem to think it's O.K. as long as they are "professional". I
still love
> powerlifting though. It's about comparing myself yesterday with
the day
> before. Am I better today than I was yesterday?
>
> Dr. Dave
>
>
> >Message: 11
>    Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:52 -0000
>    From: "xhawks97" <gparker@...>
> >Subject: Re: Strength potentiol
>
> >Ken - your right but as long as big money is involved there will
> >always be people looking for the advantage whether it be through
> >drugs, lifting shirts, cheating etc
>

Very few make money in powerlifting, and that's only when they take the step
forward to coaching that yields results. Louie Simmons comes to mind
immediately, as does his apparent protoge, Dave Tate.

Aside from the drugs, it's estimated that a repetroire of those prosytic devices
- the shirts - run upwards of a thousand dollars for a basic set. I personally
prefer raw, unaided power.



Ken ONeill
Long Life Fitness
kayoneill@...



----- Original Message -----
From: David Lewandowski
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2/20/2006 9:25:40 AM
Subject: [HIT Digest] Show me the money


What money is there in powerlifting? None from my experience. Their drug
cycles aren't even covered for the the first week. The drug takers in
powerlifting do it merely for some distorted ego issues. Not that exchanging
their health for money would be any better if it were available though many
seem to think it's O.K. as long as they are "professional". I still love
powerlifting though. It's about comparing myself yesterday with the day
before. Am I better today than I was yesterday?

Dr. Dave


>Message: 11
    Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:52 -0000
    From: "xhawks97" <gparker@...>
>Subject: Re: Strength potentiol

>Ken - your right but as long as big money is involved there will
>always be people looking for the advantage whether it be through
>drugs, lifting shirts, cheating etc




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What money is there in powerlifting? None from my experience. Their drug
cycles aren't even covered for the the first week. The drug takers in
powerlifting do it merely for some distorted ego issues. Not that exchanging
their health for money would be any better if it were available though many
seem to think it's O.K. as long as they are "professional". I still love
powerlifting though. It's about comparing myself yesterday with the day
before. Am I better today than I was yesterday?

Dr. Dave


>Message: 11
    Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:52 -0000
    From: "xhawks97" <gparker@...>
>Subject: Re: Strength potentiol

>Ken - your right but as long as big money is involved there will
>always be people looking for the advantage whether it be through
>drugs, lifting shirts, cheating etc

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Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> wrote:
     <SNIP>I'm currently using a twice a week, full body routine.

   Sarn says: Try once per week.

   <SNIP>My gains are slowing, and I want to try a more abbreviated routine once
every 5 days.

   Sarn says:Try once per week.

   <SNIP>Here is the routine I've come up with: Squat 1x15 Stiff-leg deadlift
(from just below the knees) 1x15 Incline bench press 1x10 Pulldown 1x15 Standing
calf raise 1x15 Weighted crunches 1x15

   Sarn says:So you do this all in one workout?

   <SNIP>Now for my main question: Will I get enough delt stimulation from the
inclines, or do I need to add a set of overhead presses?

   Sarn says:I read recently that overhead presses can really, REALLY badly
damage you're shoulder joints, and that they put them in a really unnatural
position.

   <SNIP>And another: Would I get enough hamstring and trap stimulation without
the stiff-leg deads? I'm thinking I wouldn't.

   Sarn says:I'd say that you would, but you could try partial deadlifts at
lockout, or Hise shrugs in the power-rack.

   Just some thoughts.

   <SNIP>As you can see, I included no direct arm work. For those of you who
don't do direct arm work, how have your arms progressed? (Or, should I do some
curls).

   Sarn says:Try *super-setting*, and also rest-pause style alternateing barbell
bicep curls and French press, or concentration curls and close grip bench
presses.

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Hey All
I`m currently suffering from a Hip Hike.
Its a long story-wrong and stupid training, a knee
surgery and currently doing my rehab.
To cut that long story short here are some of my
probs:
*R knee pain-I went an arthroscopic surgery and its
much better than before.
Currently I`m still suffering from:
1.Upper-body: Right much stronger than Left.
2.Lower Body:
*L glute stronger than R.
*R hams stronger than L.
3.Flexibility:
*R part of trunk much tighter than L.
In fact my R shoulder is lower than L.
My R leg often seems to be longer than L.

I`ve been to 2 surgeons, 2 physios(1 of them a
supposed sports specialist, 1 reg MBBS doc, 1 alt med
doc.....)
None of them`ve helped...they have helped me a little
here and a little there-but you can see outright their
main focus is that I should be able to walk properly
on my feet-anything more than that seems to be time
pass-something I shouldnt be wastimg my time doing
anyway. Except for the sports specilist they all told
me outright that getting into Sqts, doing all those
deads will hurt me.

So if any of you have suffered from a Hip Hike or know
someone who has
I would really like to know what you guys did to fix
it.
Any advice is welcome..



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>How do you like doing the belt squats?
>
>Is that the one from Ironmind?
>
>> Just wondering what routine you are using. I currently train with
>an
>> abbreviated routine with a frequency of every 4-6 days. I go to
>failure
>> on all sets except with deadlifts.  My progress has been
>fantastic. I
>> tried doing only one set to failure, but noticed better results
>when I
>> did two sets for most exercises.
>>
>> Day 1
>>
>> Belt Squats     2 x 15-20
>> Weighted Chins     2 x 5-8
>> Dumbbell Rows     2 x 5-8
>> Weighted Dips     2 x 5-8
>>
>>
>> Day 2
>>
>> Trap Bar Deadlifts     2 x 8
>> Trap Bar Shoulder Press     2 x 5-8
>> Calf Raises     2 x 15
>> Abs        1 x 20
>>
I'm using a standard dipping belt  for the Belt Squats and I'm really
enjoying them. My legs are fried after doing them. I do get funny looks
since I need to stand on two benches while doing them. However, it might
also be the Heavy Duty shirt I like wearing :-) I'm thinking of changing
my routine to upper body and lower body. Any comments comparing the two
routines would be appreciated.

Day 1

Trap Bar Deadlifts  2 x 8
Belt Squats   2 x 15-20
Calf Raises  2 x 15
Abs   1 x 20

Day 2

Weighted Chins  2 x 5-8
Dumbbell Rows  2 x 5-8
Weighted Dips  2 x 5-8
Trap Bar Shoulder Press  2 x 5-8

yes train each bodypart once a week and add more exercises.
>
>   <SNIP>I'm currently using a twice a week, full body routine.
>
>   Sarn says: Try once per week.
>
>   <SNIP>My gains are slowing, and I want to try a more abbreviated
routine once every 5 days.
>
>   Sarn says:Try once per week.
>
>   <SNIP>Here is the routine I've come up with: Squat 1x15 Stiff-leg
deadlift (from just below the knees) 1x15 Incline bench press 1x10
Pulldown 1x15 Standing calf raise 1x15 Weighted crunches 1x15
>
>   Sarn says:So you do this all in one workout?
>
>   <SNIP>Now for my main question: Will I get enough delt
stimulation from the inclines, or do I need to add a set of overhead
presses?
>
>   Sarn says:I read recently that overhead presses can really,
REALLY badly damage you're shoulder joints, and that they put them in
a really unnatural position.
>
>   <SNIP>And another: Would I get enough hamstring and trap
stimulation without the stiff-leg deads? I'm thinking I wouldn't.
>
>   Sarn says:I'd say that you would, but you could try partial
deadlifts at lockout, or Hise shrugs in the power-rack.
>
>   Just some thoughts.
>
>   <SNIP>As you can see, I included no direct arm work. For those of
you who don't do direct arm work, how have your arms progressed? (Or,
should I do some curls).
>
>   Sarn says:Try *super-setting*, and also rest-pause style
alternateing barbell bicep curls and French press, or concentration
curls and close grip bench presses.
>
>   ----====>Sarn.
>
>
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LMAO
>
>   I read about this item in FLEX bodybuilding magazine, called "THE
STRAP".
>
>   At first I thouhgt that it was rubbish, but I will give anything
a fair reveiw.
>
>   What are you're opinions on this:
>
>   http://www.fizogenx.com/
>
>   Check it out, it seems full of pseudo-science and jargon.
>
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>
>
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How do you like doing the belt squats?

Is that the one from Ironmind?

> Just wondering what routine you are using. I currently train with
an
> abbreviated routine with a frequency of every 4-6 days. I go to
failure
> on all sets except with deadlifts.  My progress has been
fantastic. I
> tried doing only one set to failure, but noticed better results
when I
> did two sets for most exercises.
>
> Day 1
>
> Belt Squats     2 x 15-20
> Weighted Chins     2 x 5-8
> Dumbbell Rows     2 x 5-8
> Weighted Dips     2 x 5-8
>
>
> Day 2
>
> Trap Bar Deadlifts     2 x 8
> Trap Bar Shoulder Press     2 x 5-8
> Calf Raises     2 x 15
> Abs        1 x 20
>

<SNIP>I'm currently using a twice a week, full body routine.

   Sarn says: Try once per week.

   <SNIP>My gains are slowing, and I want to try a more abbreviated routine once
every 5 days.

   Sarn says:Try once per week.

   <SNIP>Here is the routine I've come up with: Squat 1x15 Stiff-leg deadlift
(from just below the knees) 1x15 Incline bench press 1x10 Pulldown 1x15 Standing
calf raise 1x15 Weighted crunches 1x15

   Sarn says:So you do this all in one workout?

   <SNIP>Now for my main question: Will I get enough delt stimulation from the
inclines, or do I need to add a set of overhead presses?

   Sarn says:I read recently that overhead presses can really, REALLY badly
damage you're shoulder joints, and that they put them in a really unnatural
position.

   <SNIP>And another: Would I get enough hamstring and trap stimulation without
the stiff-leg deads? I'm thinking I wouldn't.

   Sarn says:I'd say that you would, but you could try partial deadlifts at
lockout, or Hise shrugs in the power-rack.

   Just some thoughts.

   <SNIP>As you can see, I included no direct arm work. For those of you who
don't do direct arm work, how have your arms progressed? (Or, should I do some
curls).

   Sarn says:Try *super-setting*, and also rest-pause style alternateing barbell
bicep curls and French press, or concentration curls and close grip bench
presses.

   ----====>Sarn.


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Clint -

I hear Iraq is nice this time of year

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "Perez, Miguel"
<metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>
> Clint,
>
> I don't know what the age limit is but you should be within it.
No, I am not in the military nor have I any experience in it.  One
point though:  You said yesterday that you're not into hurting
people, so you want to take that into account should you choose to
enroll, in order to take a direction that will not have you doing
just that.   You can shoot for, say, PsyOps or Logistics in the
Army, or if you take the Navy route you could possibly aim to become
part of the deck personnel on a carrier or some such.  You get my
point.
>
> Miguel
>
>  --- clint michels <clintmichels23@...>
> escribió:
>
> > Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > De: clint michels <clintmichels23@...>
> > Fecha: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:58:19 -0800 (PST)
> > Asunto: Re: [HIT Digest]
> >
> > im 26 does anybody know what the age bracket is to
> > enroll in the military? didnt you say that you were
> > in a branch of service perez? any advice would be appriciated. i
had
> > actually been pondering that.anybody here have any experience in
the
> > military?
> >
> > Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
> > Or join the military, Clint.  I hear they are
> > looking
> > for a few good men.
>

Ken - your right but as long as big money is involved there will
always be people looking for the advantage whether it be through
drugs, lifting shirts, cheating etc

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "Ken ONeill" <kayoneill@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with your point, Sarn. In fact, I'd question if they
remain sports any longer - except for those that are drug tested,
emphasizing natural attainment.
>
> A bench press of over half a ton, using the prosetic device shirt,
and who knows what drugs, doesn't test raw strength - in measures
what a catapulting device and artifical hormone environment create
in the way of an abnormality. Have we become a society in which
drugs rule?
>
> It seems to me that such events taking anything sporting out of
the game, turning it into a freak show better held at a circus.
>
> Ken ONeill
> Long Life Fitness
> kayoneill@...
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarn Ursell
> To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 2/16/2006 1:48:35 AM
> Subject: [HIT Digest] Strength potentiol
>
>
> Dear Craig Hagerman,
>
>   A lot of strength potentiol is genetic, and based on what
proportion of muscle fibers that you can recruit.
>
>   I do know stories about 600lb bench pressers, being beaten
easily in arm wrestling competitions by 300lb bench pressers, and
Gary Marshall, New Zealand 's top weightlifting coach tells me of
200kg clean and jerkers who couldn't even bench press 100kgs if
their life depended on it.
>
>   Levrage and fiber type is also a factor, but a lot of strength
potentiol is the number of fibers that you can activate, and I think
that it is pretty much a case of how you are born.
>
>   Someone once told me that plyometric training CAN actually
temporarily teach you how to lower you're inhibition threshold, but
that was heresay, anyway.
>
>   Like you, I am of intermediate strength, and size and strenght
training is not really such a big obsession with me anymore.
>
>   Personally, I feel that the sports of bodybuilding,
powerlifting, and Olympic Weightlifting have gone too far, and we
are approaching the levels of the ridiculous.
>
>
>   ---Sarn.
>
>
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Clint,

I don't know what the age limit is but you should be within it.  No, I am not in
the military nor have I any experience in it.  One point though:  You said
yesterday that you're not into hurting people, so you want to take that into
account should you choose to enroll, in order to take a direction that will not
have you doing just that.   You can shoot for, say, PsyOps or Logistics in the
Army, or if you take the Navy route you could possibly aim to become part of the
deck personnel on a carrier or some such.  You get my point.

Miguel

  --- clint michels <clintmichels23@...>
escribió:

> Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> De: clint michels <clintmichels23@...>
> Fecha: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:58:19 -0800 (PST)
> Asunto: Re: [HIT Digest]
>
> im 26 does anybody know what the age bracket is to
> enroll in the military? didnt you say that you were
> in a branch of service perez? any advice would be appriciated. i had
> actually been pondering that.anybody here have any experience in the
> military?
>
> Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
> Or join the military, Clint.  I hear they are
> looking
> for a few good men.

I'm currently using a twice a week, full body routine.  My gains are
slowing, and I want to try a more abbreviated routine once every 5
days.  Here is the routine I've come up with:

Squat 1x15
Stiff-leg deadlift (from just below the knees) 1x15
Incline bench press 1x10
Pulldown 1x15
Standing calf raise 1x15
Weighted crunches 1x15

Now for my main question: Will I get enough delt stimulation from
the inclines, or do I need to add a set of overhead presses?

And another: Would I get enough hamstring and trap stimulation
without the stiff-leg deads?  I'm thinking I wouldn't.

As you can see, I included no direct arm work.  For those of you who
don't do direct arm work, how have your arms progressed? (Or, should
I do some curls)

There is nothing to be ashamed about with the weights you are using -
  again I say kudos to you for doing compound exercises like the
military and clean.

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Craig Hagerman <craighagerman@...>
wrote:
>
> I have been thinking about strength since Chris's comments last
week...
>
> On 2/9/06, Chris <chrisrobinson44@...> wrote:
> >  125 for reps? 90 percent of beginners can do that.
> >  I also dont like military presses. I prefer a machine press or
no
> >  shoulders at all since they get worked on nearly every exercise.
>
> I made a mistake in the poundage above. I lift in kg and tried to
> convert it to lbs since I figure most on this list use lbs. I do 2
> plates (60 kg or 135 lbs) for about 10 reps on military press. I
like
> doing clean and presses or barbel military presses (to the front).
I
> don't like having myself locked into a machine's path. On a
> hammar-type machine I use around 225 for the same kind of reps, but
> the muscle itself doesn't know or care how many plates are
involved.
>
> I know am not all that strong.  I have always beeen better at
> endurance than feats of strength. I used to go running (not
jogging)
> for an hour at a time, or go on 2 hour cycling bouts. But I do love
> lifting weights. I just don't increase my strength very quickly.
>
> But I also don't care a great deal with anyone else thinks about
how
> many plates I use for any movement. I suppose I am some kind of
> intermediate. I have lifted on and off since high school ... but
> mostly off. I have been back into lifting for 3 years. I am
satisfied
> with my increases in poundage but it hasn't been linear. Compared
to 3
> or 2 or even 1 year ago I am lifting a lot more. And that counts
more
> than what some guys a couple benches down are doing.
>
> In "beyond brawn" McRoberts recommends cycles where you start with
80%
> of your max and increase by 10% (or 5%) each week as long as you
can
> until you top out on that cycle. This kind of thing doesn't seem to
> work for me. Somedays I am stronger... somedays I am not. I don't
> think it depends on overtraining as much as mental. Some days I
have
> other stuff on my mind, or am just not 100% there. Then, another
day I
> will be really psyched up and surprise myself by doing a new
personal
> record.
>
> Speaking of "what guys a couple benches down are doing".... A
couple
> weeks ago I noticed an incredibly scrawny guy in the gym hanging
out
> with the powerlifters. Most of the powerlifters are the typically
> heavy guys with larger stomachs etc, but some of them are smaller
(for
> the different weight classes). This one guy was very very skinny
and
> small. Very tiny arms, absolutely no chest, as close to zero body
fat
> as you could find on a person. He is probably in the under 45 kg
class
> (under 100 pounds). The reason why I noticed him was that he
started
> benching with guidance from teh experienced guys. He did 50 kg
(warm
> up?), 60 kg, 80 kg and then they put two plates on each side (100
kg /
> 225 lbs). This tiny guy did 5 or 6 (unassisted) reps of that
weight,
> and then did 2 or 3 with another 5 kg on each side. I was stunned.
I
> just recently hit a major goal by (finally) bench pressing 225 lbs
(1
> rep). I was greatly impressed. It got me a little down for a while
> reflecting on my comparative lack of strength. I figure some people
> are stronger, some are weaker due to bio-mechanics, kind of muscle
> fiber and other factors. Compared to 3 years ago I AM strong. And
> maybe in another 6 months or so I will be able to do 225 for 8-10
reps
> as well.
>
> I read recently that powerlifter trainers have their trainees
practice
> explosive lifting from the bottom at less-than-maximum poundage
since
> the timeing and coordinated firing of all fibers is important in
> maxing out on a lift. I think I will give that a try every so often
> and see what happens.
>
>
> On 2/12/06, xhawks97 <gparker@...> wrote:
> >  Before critizing his poundage, find out how much he
> >  weighs, how many reps is he doing,is he a beginner etc ??
>
> Weight = 84 kg (185 lbs)
> level = intermediate (3 years)
>
> weights used for 5-6 reps;
>
> miliary press - 65 kg (145 lbs)
> bench press - 90 kg (200 lbs)
> BB row - 110 kg (245 lbs)
> deadlift - 130 kg (290 lbs)
> squat  - 100 kg (225 lbs)
>  * due to an injury I have not tried to go any higer on deads and
> squat for a year.
>

Thus Spake clint michels <clintmichels23@...>

>i train once every 12-14 days and have been training around 8 years or
>so.  i dont think people truly understand the demands hit takes on the
>body. if i were you id concern yourself with training once every 6-8
>days and when you lift use a weight that help you fail around 4-8 reps
>but make sure you keep pushing until you cant push any more(use common
>sense so you dont hurt yourself) not only  does your body recharge
>w/extended rest but your  mind and motivation also recharge. as a
>general rule of thumb you should be pummed up to go to the gym. not
just
>going because you think you need to go although you feel lack of
>motivation/tired. you should be stronger in reps or weight everytime
you
>lift. use 3-5 exercises per session and quit when you feel the drives
>gone for that session.  3 things to consider when you lift
>1-intensity.2-duration.3-frequency/  you will continue to gain as long
>as these are adjusted properly. you can feel out the first 2 but the
>third will take some practice
> to find you groove.
Just wondering what routine you are using. I currently train with an
abbreviated routine with a frequency of every 4-6 days. I go to failure
on all sets except with deadlifts.  My progress has been fantastic. I
tried doing only one set to failure, but noticed better results when I
did two sets for most exercises.

Day 1

Belt Squats     2 x 15-20
Weighted Chins     2 x 5-8
Dumbbell Rows     2 x 5-8
Weighted Dips     2 x 5-8


Day 2

Trap Bar Deadlifts     2 x 8
Trap Bar Shoulder Press     2 x 5-8
Calf Raises     2 x 15
Abs        1 x 20

Ken -

Please read over my post again before you go spewing off. You will
see that I was saying that lifting is an overall health choice that
should be a life long task. Just because one reaches a certain size
or strength doesn't mean they should give it up was all I was
saying.

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "Ken ONeill" <kayoneill@...> wrote:
>
> It's not really fair to judge someone's fitness aspirations. A
recent reader's poll of Ironman Magazine indicated that 51% of the
readership held out Zane (26%) and Reeves (25%) as the ideal male
physique. The other 49% was spread across about a dozen others, none
of them scoring 10%. Since the onset of steroids in the early 1960s,
immense size has become the standard - and the way too that standard
mediated by means of drugs. So what are we looking at? Natural
bodybuilding or the physiques of the drug dependent?
>
> Last May I attended the Texas Shredder Classic in Austin, a drug-
free natural event. There were an impressive array of physiques
there, ranging in age from late teens through early 60s. Those guys
have to submit urine samples and pass a lie detector test to qualify
to win. Those physiques were basically what one saw in events up to
around 1964, before drugs hit the scene. Rarely did one see a truly
huge man in those days, those really big guys being exceptions to
the rule.
>
> Bodybuilding can and does become an unhealthy obsession for many.
And when the party was over - all the titles won - very few stayed
with training. Many were unpreprared for "life outside the gym, life
outside the posing platform". I personally believe regular training
has its place in the larger context of a healthy lifestyle - one
marked by many more interests and passions than just the gym.
>
> If a man comes to a crossroads in which he feels he's "developed
enough", that's fine. He's reached goals he's set for himself. He's
content. He has peace of mind. Just as others have the right to keep
on going. Hell, at 61.5 I haven't slowed down in the slightest, yet
training is a small part of a larger, richer way of life. The first
known gymnasia was that of Pythagorus (yep, the ole boy we learn
about in high school geometry) - his gymnasia being an academy for
cultivation of mind, body, and spirit. You trained in his school -
physically trained, trained in music, trained the mind - to
establish harmonia or harmony. he also developed the Western musical
scale with his monochord.
>
> Some will move on to excel. The fates hold that destiny for them.
Judging other's in relation to some artifical standard, however,
strikes me as simply immature and lacking in empathy.
>
> Ken ONeill
> Long Life Fitness
> kayoneill@...
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Parker
> To: hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 2/14/2006 11:10:38 AM
> Subject: [HIT Digest]
>
>
> You write about being satisified - Being satisifed with what you
have is
> what seperates the truly successful from everyone else. Do you
think
> think that Bill Gates got where he is by being satisfied or that
Tom
> Brady got to be a starting NFL quarterback and win 3 superbowls by
being
> satisfied with where they were ?? This is a health thing - you
need to
> keep it up until your grandkids are changing your depends and
feeding
> you strained prunes. If you are feeling burnt out, take a week off
and
> go skiing.
>
>
>
> Message: 2
>
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:48:16 -0000
>
> From: "clint michels" <clintmichels23@...>
>
> Subject: weird but true?
>
> i was writing my journal entry just now and some strange and
startline
> thoughts came across my mind. what happens when we feel satisfied
with
> how big or strong we've become? it left me startled to think about
> earlier when i was at the gym looking in to the mirror after my
workout.
> i remember thinking i looked almost to big for my preference.
>
> and i though how strong ive become and i was like but for what.
other
> then health what happens when this strange thing called
bodybuilding
> becomes your identity to other people when you dont want to be
solely
> recognized for this trait. ive always had other hobbies and skills
but
> for some reason im bothered by this thought. do you think there
comes a
> time when you should move away from certain things due to
contrasting
> beliefs in your life? maybe i just feel to vain from the change in
my
> appearance. i only lift once every 2-3 weeks and now i feel a
drain. not
> physically or mentally but maybe in the spiritual sence. i wonder
if ive
> had my fill on lifting weight.its strange to think when we all
start
> lifting weight how we have these immaginations of becoming
superhuman
> and when we attain this status what then.i dont know if this makes
sence
> to any of you but i felt the need to write it
>
>
>
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>
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Boy Sarn have you got that right - why anyone would want to risk
there health to look like one of those guys on the covers of the
muscle mags. To me, the build of an NFL strong safety or linebacker
is the way to go. Powerful with functional strength and the
quickness and agility to go with it. Not just all show

--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...>
wrote:
>
> Dear Craig Hagerman,
>
>   A lot of strength potentiol is genetic, and based on what
proportion of muscle fibers that you can recruit.
>
>   I do know stories about 600lb bench pressers, being beaten
easily in arm wrestling competitions by 300lb bench pressers, and
Gary Marshall, New Zealand 's top weightlifting coach tells me of
200kg clean and jerkers who couldn't even bench press 100kgs if
their life depended on it.
>
>   Levrage and fiber type is also a factor, but a lot of strength
potentiol is the number of fibers that you can activate, and I think
that it is pretty much a case of how you are born.
>
>   Someone once told me that plyometric training CAN actually
temporarily teach you how to lower you're inhibition threshold, but
that was heresay, anyway.
>
>   Like you, I am of intermediate strength, and size and strenght
training is not really such a big obsession with me anymore.
>
>   Personally, I feel that the sports of bodybuilding,
powerlifting, and Olympic Weightlifting have gone too far, and we
are approaching the levels of the ridiculous.
>
>
>   ---Sarn.
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