"impy_mcferguson" <impy.mcferguson@...> wrote:

> So, what the heck do you do when you're hungry?

Many people (including me) have found hoodia to be effective.

> My weight loss has really stalled. I lost like 10-12 pounds through
> the Holidays, and then it dried up. I'm not getting as much sleep,
> started a new schedule.

Increase calories to maintenance for a week.  Get more sleep.

Seth

Iron Man Magazine has been pushing this X Rep training method very hard for the
past few months.  Has anyone out there tried it yet?  Does it work?

http://www.x-rep.com/index.htm


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Yeah, please send me the Benedikt videos if possible.
I have Andy Bolton's 933-pound deadlift wmv if anybody
wants that, as well as Hatfield's 1000-pound squat
mpeg.

--- wayne <wayne@...> wrote:
>
[...]

> Hjalti Arnason says that Benedikt Magnusson "wants
> to do 430 at the
> Icelandic Championships on the 16th of April," which
> would exceed the
> best deadlift in history: Andy Bolton's 423-kg lift.
>
> I got some videos of Benedikt to, anyone want ???
>
> Thank you Wayne
>


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Hey all,

Trying to lose fat, not too fast and all that. About 20-25 more pounds,
maybe a bit more.

So, what the heck do you do when you're hungry? I'm hungry all the damn
time! If I ate (even just a bit) whenever I was hungry, I'd be eating
every 2 hours at least! Though I do find I am MOST hungry in the AM. I
just eat from stress in the evenings, not good.

My weight loss has really stalled. I lost like 10-12 pounds through the
Holidays, and then it dried up. I'm not getting as much sleep, started
a new schedule. Maybe there is something to that sleep/fat loss
business, because I am not eating much differently than in the fall.
And all the dang bike riding I'm doing, it should be burning off like
crazy!

So, do I just live with the gnawing monster in my gut, or do I feed him
a little something?

Thanks
Impy

"Ken O'Neill" <kayoneill@...> wrote:

> Was that a serious question? Actually, it's the cheating gear that's
> grown stronger - not the lifters. Those shirts and pants must be
> taking steroids, too! Of the three lifts, only the deadlift can't be
> cheated on so what you get is a steroid filled athlete pitted
> against raw iron with not a single cheating device.

They do make deadlift pants; but since the lifter has to lower himself
without a bunch of iron helping push him down, they can't be too
strong.

Seth

Hi there all,

From Ironmind,

The First 1,000-Pound Deadlift
Armed with the optimism of youth and the strength of a forklift,
Benedikt Magnusson says he deadlifted 410 kg last Friday in the gym
because he plans to open with that weight at the Icelandic
Powerlifting Championships in a couple of weeks.

For his second attempt, the 21-year old Magnusson said he plans to
take 425 kg, for the all-time record. Next in his sights is 455 kg,
to break the 1,000-pound barrier.

Explaining that he was the first Icelander to take 400 kg in the
deadlift and later became the first Icelander to make the watershed
weight, Benedikt is obviously not intimidated by the prospect of
pulling half a ton.

And in case you are wondering just what kind of smoke-and-mirrors
lift he is envisioning, be prepared for a surprise: Benedikt
Magnusson plans to deadlift 1,000 pounds without straps ("of
course!") and in a contest.

"I just love to deadlift," he said. "It's fun and it's the only true
measurement of strength. You attack the bar - if it doesn't go up,
you can only blame yourself. You can't make excuses."

Sunday, March 27, 2005
Benedikt Magnusson Pulls 410 and Aims for 430!
By all accounts and appearances, when Icelandic strength star
Benedikt Magnusson pulled a 410-kg deadlift on Friday, he didn't just
make the lift - it was easy for him.

Where do you go from there?

Hjalti Arnason says that Benedikt Magnusson "wants to do 430 at the
Icelandic Championships on the 16th of April," which would exceed the
best deadlift in history: Andy Bolton's 423-kg lift.

I got some videos of Benedikt to, anyone want ???

Thank you Wayne

Hi there all,

Kayo wrote
several weeks ago a friend recommended John Ivy's book, Nutrient
Timing, to me.

Wayne wrote,
John Ivy's book, Nutrient Timing, is a great book I am half way in.
Another good book to have by your side is Sports & Exercise Nutrition
by William D. McArdle, Frank I. Katch, and Victor L. Katch. It's a
college textbook but is an excellent resource that is a must have for
any weight trainer. One thing that I've learned by reading these books
is the allowance for gastric emptying. Allowing the appropriate amount
of time for a meal to become available for nutrient absorption can mean
the difference between an anabolic and catabolic state.


Thank you Wayne

http://www.dolfzine.com/page447.htm

Very interesting read by Ken, on how chains can help a workout. He
references Louie Simmon's Chain Reaction (not sure I've read it, yet).
Makes ya start thinking where you might find some big honkin' chains!

Impy

Was that a serious question? Actually, it's the cheating gear that's grown
stronger - not the lifters. Those shirts and pants must be taking steroids,
too! Of the three lifts, only the deadlift can't be cheated on so what you
get is a steroid filled athlete pitted against raw iron with not a single
cheating device.

The bench press is sooner or later going to maim or kill someone. With those
cheating shirts the zone is so narrow and the balancing act so tight and the
poundages so astronomical that sooner than later the slip is going to occur
with half a ton going right into someone's throat before the spotters can
catch it. Pure insanity.

The standard is the drug free, natural athletes relying on pure,
unadultrated human power. The rest is bullsh*t.

And  also because the back  is  set in  a  more vulnerable position.
DC.





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>
> I have to ask something...
>
> Why is it that the squat and the bench press poundages
> just seem to be going up, and up, and up, but the
> deadlift poundages seem not to?
>
> I have heard extravagant claims as to 1200 pound
> squats, 1005 pound bench presses, but I don't think
> that anyone has ever deadlifted 1000 pounds.
>
> I heard a roumer that someone will do this someday
> soon, very soon.
>
> Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much
> supportive gear?
>
> ----Sarn.
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Plus the grip becomes the limiting factor, and they
can't use straps in competition.  I think it was Chris
Robinson who mentioned that much heavier deadlifts are
routinely pulled in the gym using straps.

--- Michael Benis <michael.benis@...> wrote:
>
>
> You've answered your own question. Support gear does
> little to help the
> deadlift since there is no stretch rebound.
>
> hth
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarn Ursell
> [mailto:polyverse2002@...]
> Sent: 30 March 2005 08:56
> To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [HIT Digest] Why are deadlifters so weak?
>
>
>
> I have to ask something...
>
> Why is it that the squat and the bench press
> poundages just seem to be going
> up, and up, and up, but the deadlift poundages seem
> not to?
>
> I have heard extravagant claims as to 1200 pound
> squats, 1005 pound bench
> presses, but I don't think that anyone has ever
> deadlifted 1000 pounds.
>
> I heard a roumer that someone will do this someday
> soon, very soon.
>
> Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much
> supportive gear?
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You asked...
Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much
supportive gear?

The answer is YES!

Bench Shirts, Squat Suits, Briefs, Wraps
single, double, triple layered
Canvas, denim, poly, rubber-coated canvas patches, etc.


Mike


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> Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much
> supportive gear?
>
> ----Sarn.
>


Bingo!
Also u dont have any 'spring effect' in deds a in sqts
n BP.
Also less chances of cheating in deds. U can not go
down to complete parallel in sqt
u can bounce the wt in BP
but in deads u have to lift from grnd n if u dont lift
up completely u cant fake that.



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You've answered your own question. Support gear does little to help the
deadlift since there is no stretch rebound.

hth

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarn Ursell [mailto:polyverse2002@...]
Sent: 30 March 2005 08:56
To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HIT Digest] Why are deadlifters so weak?



I have to ask something...

Why is it that the squat and the bench press poundages just seem to be going
up, and up, and up, but the deadlift poundages seem not to?

I have heard extravagant claims as to 1200 pound squats, 1005 pound bench
presses, but I don't think that anyone has ever deadlifted 1000 pounds.

I heard a roumer that someone will do this someday soon, very soon.

Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much supportive gear?

----Sarn.

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you've answered you own question.

It's the gear.

Randy B



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To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HIT Digest] Why are deadlifters so weak?



I have to ask something...

Why is it that the squat and the bench press poundages
just seem to be going up, and up, and up, but the
deadlift poundages seem not to?

I have heard extravagant claims as to 1200 pound
squats, 1005 pound bench presses, but I don't think
that anyone has ever deadlifted 1000 pounds.

I heard a roumer that someone will do this someday
soon, very soon.

Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much
supportive gear?

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I have to ask something...

Why is it that the squat and the bench press poundages
just seem to be going up, and up, and up, but the
deadlift poundages seem not to?

I have heard extravagant claims as to 1200 pound
squats, 1005 pound bench presses, but I don't think
that anyone has ever deadlifted 1000 pounds.

I heard a roumer that someone will do this someday
soon, very soon.

Could it be due to the fact that lifters use so much
supportive gear?

----Sarn.

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Several weeks ago a friend recommended John Ivy's book, Nutrient Timing, to me.
My friend's a natural, drug free competitor, having won a good number of such
titles in his 40s. And admittedly a classic hard gainer. John Ivy was his mentor
when he did his MS in kinesiology a few decades back, and recently got his new
book. For last year's big contest, my friend didn't have to do as much dieting
down using Nutrient Timing - as well as coming in harder easier.

I've noticed bits and pieces of  info about Nutrient Timing springing up here
and there. Most have a fragmented piece of the puzzle. I didn't think the book
was hard, so many those other authors didn't read it or , more likely, didn't
get it.

Nutrient timing goes a long way in enhancing recovery, lowering cortisols during
workouts, and promoting protein synthesis and correct utilization of insulin.

You may wish to check out the book - it's only $15, and has no products
associated with it for sale. John is chair of the department of Kinesiology at
the University of Texas, Austin, a respected scientist in the field, not a
salesman for junk supplements. He tells you how to make your own supplement
drinks - using whey, gatorade, and some anti-oxidants. more importantly, he
tells you how and when to use them to optimize training, recovery, and new
muscle synthesis.

best

kayo

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Michael,

See, this is what I meant when I said that I need to
be unconcerned about the opinions of those who will
take 15 minutes of their time to think up a smart,
non-constructive, perfectly useless remark meant
solely to annoy me.

My problem is that I'm not dedicated enough, obsessive
enough, and I rarely get enough sleep, or enough
water, I lack dietary discipline, I don’t do enough
cardio, and I don’t have enough consistency in that
one week I try to gain weight and the next I want to
lean down.  My problem is that I tend to do my weight
training with discipline and dedication, but I’m not
sufficiently disciplined the rest of the time.  My
problem is that I’m NOT thinking about bodybuilding
throughout the day, because it’s not only about
lifting; it’s a lifestyle.  I need to make myself
accountable for it, and what better way to do this
than to be objective?  I’m 30 already, but I can only
squat 405, I can only deadlift 495, I can only press
154 overhead; my thighs are only 24 ˝”.  If I get my
act together, I’ll be able to take that to a 500 squat
and a 600 dealift and a 200 military and 27” thighs
all the sooner, because I am NOT remotely satisfied
with those numbers as they are now.

Miguel


--- Michael Bradley <mbradley85@...> wrote:
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>
> 21.) When you are not thinking of lifting 23 3/4
> hours
> per day, do you use your other fifteen minutes to
> make
> lists of all the things you read in Weider
> Magazines?


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I had two of my clients do exercises they've never done before for a
total body workout .They said they feel refreshed , more motivated, and
stronger than ever now.

21.) When you are not thinking of lifting 23 3/4 hours
per day, do you use your other fifteen minutes to make
lists of all the things you read in Weider Magazines?

See how many of the following twenty questions you can
sincerely answer yes to, and see if you really are
doing what you think you are.

1. Do you train a sufficient number of times per week,
working every bodypart hard and heavy, using serious
weights and exercises, and focusing on progression,
every week?
2. Do you eat at least six times per day, every two to
three hours, every day?
3. Do you get sufficient protein every day?
4. Do you invest on effective supplements if at all
possible, and use them regularly?
5. Do you drink at least three to four liters of water
per day, every day?
6. Do you do your scheduled cardio religiously, every
week?
7. Do you look leaner and/or more muscular than you
did when you started off?
8. Do you stay with your diet all week, every week,
with no more than one cheat meal a week?
9. Do you doggedly press on with your fat-loss or
weight-gain diet and exercise program, every day, even
when you hit a sticking pont?
10. Do you eat for function and not for taste, eating
whatever bland, boring, tasteless foods you need to
eat to reach your goals, every day?
11. Do you take satisfaction in the journey, every
day, or do you just agonize through the process and
dream about an outcome?
12. Do you relish the discipline that your athletic
lifestyle demands every day?
13. Do you focus intently and consistently on your
stubborn bodyparts, every week, until you force them
to improve?
14. Are you obsessive about always eating clean and
looking good, every day?
15. Do you look better after every few months?
16. Are you unconcerned about others’ opinions, when
people may think you’re a silly, compulsive meathead
without a life, and when friends and even family tend
to give you static sometimes?
17. Do you, when you’re on a bulking phase, overeat on
clean foods only, every day?
18. Do you get as much sleep as possible, every night,
not staying awake late reading or watching TV or
hanging out with friends?
19. Do you keep meticulous lifting and nutrition
records, every week?
20. Are you highly motivated and completely confident
that you are doing what it takes, and that you are
doing it every single day?

I scored eight out of twenty; that's only 40%.  So if
you don’t look or perform the way you want, now you
may know why.  I've realized that I am doing only
forty percent of what I am supposed to, so I deserve
to look only forty percent the way I'd like.  I'm
going to print this, and every day ask myself if I can
answer yes to all twenty questions for that day, and
rate the day accordingly as a success or a failure.

Miguel


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Hi all,

I have some questions about losing fat.
I am a 'hard-gainer' and an ecto-mesomorph. If I am not working out or
caring about my diet I am naturally on the slim side. For the past
couple years I have been working out seriously, and eating properly,
trying to gain muscle. I have done so and am pleased with my modest
gains. I finally hit my goal of 80kg (a bit under 180lbs) 6 weeks ago
and decided to change my plan of attack. I am not carrying all THAT
much fat (around 12% I think), but I want to lose fat to become more
defined.

6 weeks ago I cut back on what I eat and immediately lost 1 kg a week
for the first two weeks. I have lost another couple in the last month
making a total loss of around 4 kg. But I have been in a holding
patten for the past couple weeks, stuck at around 76 kg. I am not
really sure how much I have to lose since I am not really sure about
my true body fat percentage. (Those Accumeasure calipers aren't really
very precise!) I can see the outline of my abs (r. abdominus,
obliques) and my seratus is very defined. My quads show definition,
but not as clearly as I would like. Same story with my arms. I think
my back and calves show the most definition. Basically, I want to lose
that fat on my stomach to make my abs clearly visible.

My problem is that I am not really sure how to proceed from here. I
have never in my life been concerned about losing weight and I don't
know how best to do it without losing muscle. How do you structure
your workouts when you are in a weight-loss phase? I guess my problem
is mostly psycological. I have been trying to gain weight and muscle
for so long that is is strange to be trying to lose it now.

Specifically, what I am wondering about is poundages - should I work
out with relatively lighter weights? Is it possible to increase your
strength while on a fat-loss cycle? I understand that the body can be
either anabolic or catabolic, but not both, which means I can't gain
muscle AND lose weight. (By the way, Dorian Yates says all of his
injuries were during a cutting phase.) Should I do higher reps and
more sets, or more frequent sets? (I normally work out 3 times a week,
sometimes 4 times - once a week for each body part.)

For someone like me is it better to do 6 week cycles? -- ie, 6 weeks
of eating / working out for weight gain, followed by 6 weeks of eating
/ working out for weight loss. Or should I just take another 6-8 weeks
to lose the other 4 or so kg to get cut?

To tell you the truth, I find this fat-lose phase demotivating. I know
a lot of people work out to 'get into shape' or lose fat. I have a
friend who says he gains 10 pound or more if he stops working out. I
am the opposite so I don't relate. I go to the gym to get stronger,
bigger and stay healthy. I find myself wondering why I am working out
hard if I am not going to be GAINING any muscle for the next month or
so, and probably not making any strength gains. Maybe it is not true,
but it feels like I am just putting in time, spinning my wheels and
losing the modest gains I made. Can any of you relate to this
attitude? What is your advice?

Craig

An idea occurred to me at work, and this was that you could experiment with
rest-pauses, and the method of training, and such like.

I may make the algebraic approach:

a rest-pause repitions, for b rest-pause sets, with c minutes or seconds rest
intervals, at d repitions maximum.

Thus, we have actually 5 algebraic variables, a, b, c, and d, and also the
corresponding total repitions acheived, e.

Here I make the provisor that you only reach failure ONCE, and then terminate
the set.

Multiple set training has it that we reach failure, more than once, say several
times.

Now with standard rest-pause training, the rest-pause repsitions would be a=1,
and b would be "any" until failure, c would be 30 seconsd (for eaxmple).

I may acess e, as a*b, and then comapre d to a*b.

Thus, then, I may do 10 rest-pause sets of 2 repitions at my 6 reps max, with a
1 minute rest interval, giveing a total of 20 reps.

Any further ideas on this extension of rest-pause?

----Sarn.



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One thing that I have found very useful at work, is imagine it as part of my
training.

In doing this, I can hit muscles from all unusual angles, which my training
dosen't, pretty much as I train when I flex, pose, and contract my muscles, and
stretch my muscles, for a training effect.

In doing this, I found that I could enhance, and compliment my fittenss.

I have invented the "bag drag", which could be a good supplymentary exercise for
doing the bench presses, just as some members of the Westside barbell club have
been doing sliegh tows for assistance exercises to the deadlift.

This has it that you drag a bag of rubbish behind you, placeing a stretch on the
anterior deltoids, and you can do this alternateing from either side.

There is the "particle bhopard lift", wherebty you hold a large peice of
particle board out the front of you with straight arms, at arms length.

And the "log lift", done by squeezeing a large square log of wood in front of
you togther, as you would a pec dec, with the palms of you're hand.

I also had to carry up all these bags of "handi-crete" up the stairs, all 50
meters of the at a 45 degree incline, each weighed 40kgs, and by the 6th one my
heart was pounding.

I had encured such an oxygen debt, that I thought that I was going to pass out
from exhaustion.

I have always wished that I had acess to, at least right next to my local gyms
location, a large set of strairs, and the proper equipment to carry up heavy
loads, and to stimulate my heart.

You could hold them as you would the Farmer's walk, carry them as you would in a
bear hug, or load the loads on a yoke.

This would be a good assistance exercise to squats, and I call this the "step
up".

Oh yes, and at the country fair next to our home, I had a go at guessing the
weight of the largest pumpkin, -it was impossible to lift because I had oily
hands, - I guessed 115kgs, it was actually 66kgs, and it was the closest that I
have ever come to lifting an Inver stone.

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Let me ask you all about body hair.  Men, what do you do to keep the
hair at bay.  I am currently using a product called NADS and my thick
body hair.  Keeps me smooth for about 30 days.  Are there any other
men who are using a product that last longer wtihout stubble and
ingrown hair associated with some dipilitories and shaving.
Contest season is coming up soon and I would love it if I could afford
lazer treatments.

Sacredsystem writes:

Thanks for the response. Just for the record you spelled Nietzche
incorrectly. Anyway, why such anger? Follow where your heart and mind
lead you. It amazes me that people can get so "involved" and angry with
such matters. I am no expert with HIT, but enjoy the experiment and
experiences of life. Mentzer was robbed in 1980. I think readings on
some existential philosophy might calm you down. Here are some authors I
highly endorse. Dostoyevsky, Hesse, Nietzsche, Tolstoy, Camus and
Unamuno. Yes, I have read them since I have a degree in philosophy :-)

I've read them all to some extent. You might enjoy Colin Wilson's Outsider
series.
Existential philosophy is interesting, but still bound to the colonialist
outlook that holds white male Europeans are somehow priveleged to make remarks
and develop systems of thought in abstentia of knowledge of other civilizations;
moreover, their Orientalist constructions of Arab, Sanskrit, Sinic and other
philosophical traditions reduces them to religions, whereupon the superiority of
the monotheistic mythological complex is held to be self evident. What's more,
Existentialists carry way too much of the baggage of medieval christian
presuppositions, especially with regard to constructions such as 'ethics',
meaning and guilt. Most existentials throw themselves into totalitarian schemes
to escape discovery of nihilistic emptiness.

Now emptiness is the basis of sports in India and China. The term karate is a
binome composed of two kanji: kara plus te, where te means hand and kara means
emptied/emptiness (sunyata in Sanskrit). Our work in Power Mindfulness develops
skills in mastery of emptying states in order to unlock deeper resevoirs of
power than you'd believe possible.

I rejected existentialism in the late 60s, especially when I began learning to
read Sanskrit and Chinese, tapping into nondualistic wisdom traditions with
practical applications in sport and a mastery of humanistic and transpersonal
psychologies based on nearly 3,000 years of research and development of such
psychologies - contrasted to the supression of psychology from the time of the
resolution of the "scientific heresy" in the 16th century, and until in early
modernity Wm James established the first psychological lab in the world.

best

Ken

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Ken O'Neill <kayoneill@...>3/17/05

>
>Sacredsystem offers an ad homien:
>>
>>     Ayn Rand says some things that do make sense, but  sometimes she
>can
>> take things too far. However, I notice that most people who don't
>> tolerate her or Mentzer, are the ones who are not very sure of
>> themselves.
>
>How do you back up that trite, peurile generalization? Far more success
>may
>be had in stating that those to whom Mentzer and Rand appeal are those
>who
>know astonishly less than they did, hence are vulnerable as a function
>of
>the considerable depth of their ignorance and lack of analytical
skills.
>
>
>Mentzer's readings on existentialism, Nitzsche and Sartre
>> are linked to his confident and secure view of himself and the world
>> around him. I have been studying and practicing Heavy Duty, and all I
>> can say is that it has changed the way I look, feel and view the
world
>> around me. To say that Mentzer is shallow, indicates that one has not
>> experienced much in the world. You don't have to agree with Mentzer,
>but
>> to shit on his views or philosophy without understanding and
>practicing
>> any of it shows how far some need to travel on the road of life.
>>
>Mentzer's views on Jean Paul Sartre and Neitzsche (you left out the
'e')
>lack in any depth of insight among two rather differing philosophers.
>The
>pessimism et le nausea et aberational fear of le rein of the former
>contrasted with the life-affirming, beyond good and evil of the latter
>are
>remarkably different. I see no evidence of major influence of either on
>Mentzer, certainly not with the long term history of drug abuse that
>killed
>him at a young age. Phil Lenz once said his disillusioning awakening
>concerning Jerry Garcia was that Jerrry loved the drugs more than the
>music
>of the Dead; likewise, we wonder if Mike didn't love the drugs more
than
>the
>rest. In a telling remark, he is quote as prophetically saying that he
>was a
>bodybuilder, health didn't matter only appearance. steroid drugs for
the
>illusion of a naturally built body, heroin, cocaine, and synthetic
>opiates
>for the pain of life - as a substitute for living. Where is the
>affirmation
>of life? Perhaps bodybuilding was a neurotic compensation for inner
>feelings
>of alienation, despair to which the habit of self-medicating became
>paramount in life. It should be remembered that steroids are addictive,
>and
>when off them depression follows. Sour grapes over Arnold's undeserved
>victory in 1980 was not his alone: any one of the top 6 deserved the
>title.
>Seeing the video of it recently, Mentzer was not in line for that
title:
>it
>was Zane or Chris Dickerson. Even Boyer Coe was in better shape. Which
>makes
>one wonder how stable and close to reality Mentzer was.
>Those who've seen him train then attended a HIT workshop were appalled
>and
>astonished. His own training was not HIT; HIT was a product he
marketed,
>a
>philosphy he fictionalized.
>The whole thing is a mess. And I don't think the validity of HIT can
>rest on
>either Mentzer or Jones, both poor examples of refined, evolved human
>nature. If Mentzer indeed had more than a shallow, name dropping
>familiarity
>with Sartre & Neitschze, I'm amazed - it doesn't show to anyone
familiar
>with either of them, nor of other thinkers akin to them he might have
>gravitated toward but did not. In non-Western terms, what did that
>philosophy really mean to him if the last 20 years of his life were
>spent at
>times homeless, at times living out of a car, at times in jail, a drug
>addict who'd long ago abandoned active training, maintaining a tie only
>to
>have a passive income source? Neither Sartre, Neitschze, even trite Ayn
>Rand
>advocated a life of narcotic addiction - much less killing oneself over
>it.
>And all of that speaks of far deeper malaptive psychopathologies. I'd
>sure
>not want my kids upholding such a sicko as an example. Nor Jones. So I
>would
>separate HIT from the strange persons associated with it, thereby
>threatening to reduce it to a cult of personalities rather than
pursuing
>the
>merits of the case for HIT on its own ground. You  will notice that I
>personally support HIT while not supporting putting those two men on
>pedestals.
>
>best
>
Thanks for the response. Just for the record you spelled Nietzche
incorrectly. Anyway, why such anger? Follow where your heart and mind
lead you. It amazes me that people can get so "involved" and angry with
such matters. I am no expert with HIT, but enjoy the experiment and
experiences of life. Mentzer was robbed in 1980. I think readings on
some existential philosophy might calm you down. Here are some authors I
highly endorse. Dostoyevsky, Hesse, Nietzsche, Tolstoy, Camus and
Unamuno. Yes, I have read them since I have a degree in philosophy :-)

Relax...................




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HITtites:
check out this intriguing article about the work of Dr John Ivy, Chair of the
Kinesiology Department at the University of Texas pertaining to varying athlete
nutritional needs. In the drug free world he's regarded as tops here in Central
Texas.

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sorry forgot to paste the url: duh!

http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2004/nutrition.html


HITtites:
check out this intriguing article about the work of Dr John Ivy, Chair of the
Kinesiology Department at the University of Texas pertaining to varying athlete
nutritional needs. In the drug free world he's regarded as tops here in Central
Texas.

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--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "Drew Baye" <drew@b...> wrote:
>
> The Piekovian Objectivists piss everyone off, that's why. If you
read David Kelly or Nathaniel
> Branden's stuff you don't get all the "everyone who disagrees with
us or doesn't think like we do is
> automatically evil" stuff. You can read some of Nathaniel
Branden's essays at
> http://www.nathanielbranden.com/fs/new.html
>
> Drew Baye
>
> www.baye.com
> high intensity strength training
>
>
>
>
> [Ok, that might do on Ayn Rand.  Better things to talk about . . .
>
> David]

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We could discuss Bentham, or Mills?

Pekovian huh?

"the Pekovian position: that according any respect, even
contextually, to the ideas and their advocates, is tantamount to
subjectivism. "

from http://www.solohq.com/Forum/ArticleDiscussions/0390_1.shtml

Interesting reading. Now SEE, THAT'S a criticism! I don't understand
a word of it, so it must be intelligent.

Dogmatic, gotcha!

[Last post moderators, from me at least, on the subject]