Rickey

I bet my wife would love to see this routine. Would you mind sending it my way?

Thanks
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   Subject: Re: [HIT Digest] Body for Life?


   Impy,
     Another good routine, for the ladies, is M&Fs Rock Hard Challange.
   It's a three month routine that is designed to shed fat.  It seems quite
   similar to BFL.  Lift three days a week and cardio 5 days a week (both
   interval and regular).  My girlfriend has been doing the Rock Hard
   Challange for the past year, changing things to meet her goals and
   likings.  It's done wonders for her body and health.  If you're
   interested I have the routine in PDF format that I can send to you.

   --rickey




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--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Manning" <ken52@e...> wrote:
> Impy,
>
> Body For Life, written by Bill Phillips, former CEO of EAS, is a
combination
> of weight training, nutrition, and his version of high intensity
interval
> training ("cardio for fat loss").  If her goal is fat loss, I
absolutely
> gaurentee she will lose more fat training on this program than
doing a few
> compound weight training movements once per week.
+++++++++++++

I'm lucky if I can get her to do weights once a week. I tell her she
should do it more often, but she can't 'find the time', etc. I
provide the instructions, but the inspiration is her department.

I'll check into the book, seems like it's a good one for her, thanks.

Impy,
   Another good routine, for the ladies, is M&Fs Rock Hard Challange.
It's a three month routine that is designed to shed fat.  It seems quite
similar to BFL.  Lift three days a week and cardio 5 days a week (both
interval and regular).  My girlfriend has been doing the Rock Hard
Challange for the past year, changing things to meet her goals and
likings.  It's done wonders for her body and health.  If you're
interested I have the routine in PDF format that I can send to you.

--rickey

Impy - Body for life has a website which contains bascially the same info as the
book. I believe it is www.bodyforlife.com



Message: 3
    Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:23:06 -0000
    From: "Impy McFerguson" <impymcferguson@...>
Subject: Body for Life?

GF, who I've been training doing squats, benches, sldl and one or
two other things once a week, is interested in something
called 'Body for Life', they have a book or something?

I'm glad she's interested in learning about fitness, but is this
book a piece of crap or what? I should just tell her to buy
a 'Dummies' book I think, unless someone has a better book to
recommend?

She's got quite a bit of fat, and she works hard at lifting when she
makes the time, but she's wasted quite a few bucks buying things
like those step things, and that ab roller thing a few years ago,
dumbbells, etc. I dunno.

It's about doing it, not reading about it. But maybe a good book
would help her get the tools to make it happen.

Impy,

Body For Life, written by Bill Phillips, former CEO of EAS, is a combination
of weight training, nutrition, and his version of high intensity interval
training ("cardio for fat loss").  If her goal is fat loss, I absolutely
gaurentee she will lose more fat training on this program than doing a few
compound weight training movements once per week.  Basically, one weight
trains monday/wed/friday, alternating upper body and lower body workouts.
The "20 minute Cardio Solution," which I believe is what Phillips calls it,
is performed on tues/thurs/saturday.  An example of what the set/rep scheme
for the chest looks like this:

Bench press 12,10,8,6,10 (if I recall correctly, the rest periods are set at
60 seconds between sets) -- and after the last set, an isolation movement,
dumbbell flies, for example, are performed for 10 reps to complete
concentric failure.  He uses a very general recommendation for gauging
intensity, starting the first set at an intensity of "5", and moving up with
each set until you hit the isolation movement, when you come to an intensity
level of "10," which simply means going as hard as you can trying to
complete the reps.  Not quite HIT.

The nutrition program is pretty solid.  Nothing out of the ordinary - 4-6
meals/day, 1 serving of protein and 1 serving of carbs, a little bit of
healthy fat, etc...  example meals are given as are a general guideline for
food selection.

Ken

GF, who I've been training doing squats, benches, sldl and one or
two other things once a week, is interested in something
called 'Body for Life', they have a book or something?

I'm glad she's interested in learning about fitness, but is this
book a piece of crap or what? I should just tell her to buy
a 'Dummies' book I think, unless someone has a better book to
recommend?

She's got quite a bit of fat, and she works hard at lifting when she
makes the time, but she's wasted quite a few bucks buying things
like those step things, and that ab roller thing a few years ago,
dumbbells, etc. I dunno.

It's about doing it, not reading about it. But maybe a good book
would help her get the tools to make it happen.

I stated that muscle size, which myostatin mediates, isn't the primary
indicator or predictor of muscle strength, rather only one contributing
factor and not even necessarily the most important one. Check out any basic
muscle physiology text to learn more.


--
Milo

The Farmer's Walk Rules

Actually, what was said was that he was lifting in
excesses of his peers.  While that isn't a comparison,
my question was your reference to the effects of
myostatin.  You claimed that myostatin wouldn't effect
strength and I asked where you got that info from.

Rich

--- Milo Champ <milochamp@...> wrote:
> Remember that the media says that he's impressively
> strong. That doesn't say
> anything. They said that his body development was in
> the 75th percentile.
> That means that there are/were 25% of babies with
> even greater development.
> What about the strength? They didn't provide any
> comparison so we don't
> know.
>
> --
> Milo
>
> The Farmer's Walk Rules
>
>
>





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--- In Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com, Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@y...>
wrote:
> If I had one wish, and believe me, I hold on tight to my dreams,
else I have nothing left to hold on to, and nothing else to believe
in, well, what would my wish be?
>
> Well, for one thing it would be to start my life again, from the
age of 15 years old, knowing what I now know.


Go to an old folks home, that'll make you feel REALLY young! (Unless
you're 80 already I reckon). Don't fret that you're getting older,
the alternative is to die, and that will really cut into your
recovery ability my man.

Weight lifting ain't that important really. But yeah, I know what
you mean. If only the BS you believed and the time you wasted could
be yours again. But ask yourself, maybe I'm still wasting time?
Doing too much, too often? Maybe? Make it effective, learn quick,
change when necessary and when you find something that works, don't
stop until it stops. And then maybe you won't be cursing yourself
again in 5-10 years for wasting that chunk of your life as well.
Just a thought.

My grandpa turns 96 tomorrow, and he still drives, sharp as a tack,
etc. Heck of a guy. Happy birthday grampa!

Impy

Remember that the media says that he's impressively strong. That doesn't say
anything. They said that his body development was in the 75th percentile.
That means that there are/were 25% of babies with even greater development.
What about the strength? They didn't provide any comparison so we don't
know.

--
Milo

The Farmer's Walk Rules

Good advice, checking the machine, anchoring down.
I've tried to slow down the negatives, but that's when
the weight forces me to arch back and the stress goes
away from the arms. I just don't weight enough. I'm
afraid I'm going to have to go lighter and add volume.


--- WAYNE G ROWLEY <wayne@...>
wrote:
>   hi there,
>   first check the machine, is it catching anywhere
> or has it been greased, oiled lately, take 20% from
> the weight stack and see if its smooth, mind you
> some of these machine tend to rub, jam a little when
> there is a heavy weight on.
>   check your form are you using to much bodyweight,
> momentum,
>   you can do them seated, put some weights on the
> bench wrap your legs around it and try like that,
>   or if you are doing 2 x 4 why not reduce the
> weight by 40% and try 8 reps super slow 10 x 5, or
> 12 reps 4 x 4.
>   thank you Wayne

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Not an option. For years, that has been my approach; I
would frequently skip arm training. However my arms
have lagged far behind my other bodyparts and I
decided to add direct work. Currently I'm doing
Nautilus chest presses for pecs and standing military
presses for delts. I've been doing 1-2 sets each and
my triceps feel definitely untaxed afterward. I've
resorted to working my triceps before my pecs and
delts and this has suited me well. I've put on half an
inch on my upper arms and I can clearly see more
triceps sweep and vascularity. (Excuse the silly
term.) I've gotten much stronger too! It has taken me
most of this year to achieve this, though.

Maybe I should hold a 50-pound dumbbell between my
teeth.

--- Joshua Katz <beber0190@...> escribió: > I
recommend not doing them.  You get plenty of work
> from bench, dips, military, etc.
>
> Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
> wrote:People, I've run into a serious problem with
> my
> triceps exercises. Apart from the occasional set of
> dips, I like doing pushdowns and overhead cable
> extensions (where I stand with my back to cable
> station’s stack and, using the low pulley and
> keeping
> my elbows by my head, extend my arms all the way up
> to
> lockout), but of late the weight I use for these two
> movements has become much heavier. For overhead
> cable
> extensions it has become really hard to “clean” the
> cable handle to to the starting overhead position
> and
> when setting it down after a set I have to squat
> down
> or else my lower back is really compressed. And for
> pushdowns my upper body rocks and sways a lot as the
> weight I use is too much compared to my bodyweight
> (200 vs. 194 pounds although I don’t think the
> stated
> stack weight is actual weight). For my last rep of a
> set of pushdowns it seems all the stress is absorbed
> by my lower back and abs. I hate that but don’t know
> how to fix it. Any ideas on how to stabilize my
> upper
> body? I don't like the idea of staying with a
> lighter
> weight until my bodyweight catches up with the stack
> weight at the rate of four pounds per year :(
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Hi there all,

This subject might be well known by some, but not to others as I have found in
my travels, and surfing the net. Therefore, I thought I would bring it up.



First, I am saying that I am against compound movements. No not at all.

Pre-exhaustion was not invented by H.I.T. but H.I.T. was the first to popularize
this advanced technique in the 1950's, and it should be used infrequently, for
specialising on different body parts, and for variety.



when you do any compound movement, we would say there is a weak link, say the
squat, for example and your trying to build the upper legs, the back will fail
first before the legs and thus the legs have not been worked as hard as they
could have been, but if you pre-exhaust the quads by doing, leg extension then
squats or leg extension, leg press, squats the legs will fail first, thus
working them a lot harder, you have removed the weak link represented by lower
back involvement.


same thing applies to bent over rows, your biceps fail first, thus your upper
back has not been worked that hard has it could be, to overcome this barbell
exercise defect, you first use preferably nautilus super pullover machine for
the primary action of the upper back, then do rows for the secondary function,
then you will really work and strengthen the whole mass of the back, far more
productive than just rows.


here is an example for pre-exhausting the biceps, isolation exercise first the
curl, then use the lats, upper back and do compound movement bent over rows, to
force the biceps to a deeper level of failure,


or you can do double pre-exhaustion, which is isolation exercise, compound
exercise then another compound exercise, or compound exercise then isolation
exercise then compound exercise,


Here is what CASEY VIATOR did one night, so if you think it is going to make
your squat weaker well

Just take a look at this.
Leg press on universal machine 750 POUNDS 20 reps, immediately followed by leg
extension on universal machine 225 POUNDS immediately followed by 20 reps full
squat 502 POUNDS 13 reps, OK HE'S A BODYBUILDER BUT I THINK YOU WILL AGREE
THAT'S VERY VERY STRONG SQUATTING AT THE AGE OF (((19))) TO SAY THE LEAST AFTER
THE OTHER TWO EXERCISES.

AT THE AGE OF 19 ON THE NIGHT OF JUNE 10 1971 TWO DAYS BEFORE THE MR AMERICA
CONTEST THE CYCLE WAS DONE.

In the h.i.t. style of training, you do not only need to concentrate on your
squats to make your squatting better you need to strengthen your whole leg
muscles.



PRE-EXHAUSTION
In pre-exhaustion you need to move quickly, in less than three seconds, from an
isolation exercise to a compound movement exercise, Pre-exhaustion makes it
possible to work almost any large Muscle harder than would normally he possible.
And over comes the defects of most barbell exercises, same applies to double
pre-exhaustion, you need to move quickly, from exercise to exercise to exercise.



Here are some examples of pre-exhaustion,

Lateral raise, shoulder press, in the shoulder press you are using your triceps
to force you shoulders to a deeper level of failure,

fly's, bench press in bench press you are using your triceps and shoulders to
force you chest to a deeper level of failure,

nautilus pullover, rows, in rows your using your biceps to force your lats to a
deeper level of failure,

biceps curl, rows, in rows your using your lats to force your biceps to a deeper
level of failure,

HERE ARE SOME MORE FOR THE ARMS IF YOUR INTERESTED,

Pre-Exhaustion Cycles. Biceps
1. Biceps curl with barbell, standing, immediately followed by lat machine
pulidown behind neck
2. Preacher curls with barbell, immediately followed by chin-up, negative only
3. Supine dumbbell curl, immediately followed by lat machine pulidown to chest
4. Alternate dumbbell curl, immediately followed by bent over rowing with
underhand grip


Pre-Exhaustion Cycles: Triceps
1. Triceps extension with one dumbbell held in both hands, immediately followed
by parallel dip
2. Lying triceps extension with barbell, immediately followed by bench press
with narrow grip
3. Lat machine pressdown, immediately followed by press behind neck with barbell
4. Nautilus multi triceps machine, immediately followed by parallel dip,
negative only


Double Pre-Exhaustion Cycles. Biceps
1. Preacher curl with dumbbells, immediately followed by biceps curl with
barbell, standing, immediately followed by chin-up, negative only
2. Preacher curl with barbell, immediately followed by Nautilus multi biceps
machine, immediately followed by lat machine pulidown with wide grip
3. Biceps curl with barbell, standing, immediately followed by incline dumbbell
curl, seated, immediately followed by bent over rowing with underhand grip
4. One repetition chin up, thirty seconds up and thirty seconds down,
immediately followed by preacher curl with barbell, immediately followed by
chin-up, negative only
5. Lat machine pulidown to chest, immediately followed by supine dumbbell curl,
immediately followed by bent over rowing with wide grip
6. Wide grip chin up, immediately followed by biceps curl with wide grip,
immediately followed by lat machine pulidown to chest

by, Arthur Jones

In search for "direct exercises" - at the start, we were looking for a method
that would provide direct exercise for the latissimus muscles of the back, since
it was obvious that all conventional exercises for those muscles left a very
very great deal to be desired. "Pull-ups" (or "chins"), pulldowns,
behind-the-neck chins, rowing exercises of a wide variety, and all other
conventional exercises for the latissimus muscles certainly do provide "some"
work for those muscles; but they all have one big fault in common - they all
involve the muscles of the arms as well as the muscles of the back that

You are trying to work.

The latissimus muscles are attached to, and move, the upper arms - thus, for
direct exercise, the resistance must be applied against the upper arms; what
happens to the forearms, and-or the muscles of the upper arms that move the
forearms, is of no slightest importance - or would not be of any importance in a
direct exercise for the latissimus muscles.
You hang a man by suspending his weight from his head - thus imposing the
resistance on his neck; if you tried hanging him by his hair, the hair might
pull out before any results were produced in regard to the neck. A very similar
situation exists in conventional exercises for the latissimus muscles; instead
of applying the resistance directly against the prime body-parts (the upper
arms), such exercises apply resistance against the forearms - thus creating a
"weak link" in the form of the proportionate lack-of-strength of the muscles in
the upper arms. You fail in such an exercise when your arms

Reach a point of failure - not when the latissimus muscles become exhausted.
So you are constantly limited in such exercises by the limits of existing
strength of the upper arms - which, being smaller and weaker than the latissimus
muscles, fail long before the much larger latissimus muscles have been worked
hard enough to induce much in the way of growth stimulation.



Any questions please.





Wayne Rowley





Valletta Malta



Thank you Wayne









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>>Man, there are some guys lifting some enormous weight without much
muscle bulk. Impressive as all heck to me. I don't know about you, but a guy
with 35" quads doing a half squat with 300 doesn't impress me as much as a guy
with 25" legs doing a full squat with 500.<<

Good point, Milo. The little boy with the myostatin mutation (shades of the
X-MEN) may be stronger and more muscular than children of his age, but will he
be stronger and more muscular than his peers when he passes over into puberty
and beyond? And the comparison that has been publicized before this little boy
surfaced centered on a certain strain of cattle. How much difference in
strength ratios could there be in this strain of bull as compared to other
bulls?
Yeah, it was bigger (mo' meat) but stronger?

Now, if you have 35 inch quads and you're deep squattin' 500 ... the only
analogy that comes to mind is what the late Colin Chapman, founder of Lotus,
always said: "To increase speed, add lightness." The corollary in some fields of
strength training talk is: "To increase strength, add size." Or, "To add size,
increase strength."

But that doesn't always come together, now do it?


Mike Reese

There are two kinds of fool. One says, "This is old, and therefore good."
And one says, "This is new, and therefore better." -John Brunner, science
fiction writer (1934-1995)




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hi there all,
here is another great h.i.t. forum if you fancy joining, i myself are a member
of three h.i.t. forums,
http://groups.msn.com/HighIntensityTraining-Net
thank you Wayne

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If I had one wish, and believe me, I hold on tight to my dreams, else I have
nothing left to hold on to, and nothing else to believe in, well, what would my
wish be?

Well, for one thing it would be to start my life again, from the age of 15 years
old, knowing what I now know.

By this also, I would want a full head of brain cells, a mind unadulterated by
drugs or alchol, ready to intake new information and fresh experiences.

I would want to "start from scratch" with a 15 year old's body, and recovery
ability, before my growth spurt.

This may sound like sheer wishful thinking, sheer science fiction, but I wounder
often, if technology will ever get to the stage whereby it will be possible to
reverse the ageing process.

I do know of bionics, stem cell research, designer drugs, and I have heard about
genetically engineered viruses given to an athlete in a vaccen (I think that's
how you spell it).

What information do you have about research in these areas???

Sure, I know that this seems a little off topic, but I know that there are many
people who share this wish also, and wounder when this dream will become a
reality.

This is one of many reasons why people exercise, to reverse that ageing process.

I have a badly dislocated shoulder, and crooked back, and I wounder what
therapys might be available in the future for treatment of this.

What does anyone know about the side effects of human growth hormone for
rebuilding tissue, I mean, does this actually work????

Are there any possible future therapy that you have knowledge of?

Any help would be appreciated.

Sarn.



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But my understanding is that this baby is also impressively strong.  I wonder
how many strength stars would have had this kind of press if they'd been babies
in the age of in your face, reality media.

Milo Champ <milochamp@...> wrote:Guys, please note that the effects of
myostatin, or the lack thereof, seems
to be only on muscle size. As it pertains to strength and power, muscle size
is but one contributing factor and not necessarily the biggest one.

This means that if you want to look like you can bench press 400, but can
only bench press 200, like so many bodybuilders, then this might be an
interesting proposition for you. But if you want to actually bench 400,
irrespective of what you look like, it's probably less interesting.

This is just my opinion - I've gotten some weightlifting images from the
Pure Power Gallery. They've got the weightlifting world championships up
there. Man, there are some guys lifting some enormous weight without much
muscle bulk. Impressive as all heck to me. I don't know about you, but a guy
with 35" quads doing a half squat with 300 doesn't impress me as much as a
guy with 25" legs doing a full squat with 500.


On 6/25/04 9:37 AM, "Rich" <tenncjed@...> wrote:

> That is the downside to the written work, you can't
> see the speaker....I was only playing around.
>
> --- WAYNE G ROWLEY <wayne@...>
> wrote:
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Rich
>>   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:02 PM
>>   Subject: [HIT Digest] Myostatin
>>
>>   hi there,
>>   so are you saying you have had a blood test and
>> you have to much Myostatin, and that is why you find
>> it hard to build muscle (i am only guessing and
>> reading between the lines about you finding hard to
>> put on muscle, you could be as big as Arnold for all
>> i know) or are you just guessing, or are you lacking
>> Myostatin and like Arnold, but its very interesting
>> about Myostatin.
>>   thank you Wayne
>>
>>
>>   I have finally figured out my problem...too much
>>   myostatin.
>>
>>   Read this article...
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24412217.htm

Mike Mentzer's Complete Book of Weightlifting comes to mind.  It's written for
beginners primarily.  Hard to find, though - although I have a copy I might be
willing to sell.  I don't recommend McRoberts for a beginner.  I do recommend
Dinosaur Training and Supersquats - in fact, I don't really recommend
Supersquats for anyone but a beginner.  I think beginners, in addition to
techniques, low volume ideas, etc. need to be given a way to attain a broad
perspective on the sport - that is, history, ideas, ideals, etc.  That will help
counteract the nonsense coming from muscle mags.  There are several good
histories available, including Musclebeach.  Show them some old magazines, teach
them about the old strength and physique stars, show them the ideal of an
attainable, healthy body.  The writings of Dr. Ken are excellent for this.  Buy
him a Milo subscription!

Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> wrote:Has anyone got any information
for a beginner to bodybuilding?

You know, just the basics.

A friend and I were talking up at the gym today about the sheer amount of
information overload today, and the incredible amount of rubbish avaiable today,
to mislead and confuse.

What is a beginner to do?

What's needed is a foolproof programme for the beginner to follow, and
instructions.

I designed a beginner's template myself, but I'm looking for books.

Any advice?


Sarn.

I recommend not doing them.  You get plenty of work from bench, dips, military,
etc.

Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:People, I've run into a
serious problem with my
triceps exercises. Apart from the occasional set of
dips, I like doing pushdowns and overhead cable
extensions (where I stand with my back to cable
station’s stack and, using the low pulley and keeping
my elbows by my head, extend my arms all the way up to
lockout), but of late the weight I use for these two
movements has become much heavier. For overhead cable
extensions it has become really hard to “clean” the
cable handle to to the starting overhead position and
when setting it down after a set I have to squat down
or else my lower back is really compressed. And for
pushdowns my upper body rocks and sways a lot as the
weight I use is too much compared to my bodyweight
(200 vs. 194 pounds although I don’t think the stated
stack weight is actual weight). For my last rep of a
set of pushdowns it seems all the stress is absorbed
by my lower back and abs. I hate that but don’t know
how to fix it. Any ideas on how to stabilize my upper
body? I don't like the idea of staying with a lighter
weight until my bodyweight catches up with the stack
weight at the rate of four pounds per year :(

----- Original Message -----
   From: Miguel Angel Perez
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:25 PM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] Triceps problem -- need suggestions

   hi there,
   first check the machine, is it catching anywhere or has it been greased, oiled
lately, take 20% from the weight stack and see if its smooth, mind you some of
these machine tend to rub, jam a little when there is a heavy weight on.
   check your form are you using to much bodyweight, momentum,
   you can do them seated, put some weights on the bench wrap your legs around it
and try like that,
   or if you are doing 2 x 4 why not reduce the weight by 40% and try 8 reps
super slow 10 x 5, or 12 reps 4 x 4.
   thank you Wayne


   People, I've run into a serious problem with my
   triceps exercises. Apart from the occasional set of
   dips, I like doing pushdowns and overhead cable
   extensions (where I stand with my back to cable
   station's stack and, using the low pulley and keeping
   my elbows by my head, extend my arms all the way up to
   lockout), but of late the weight I use for these two
   movements has become much heavier. For overhead cable
   extensions it has become really hard to "clean" the
   cable handle to to the starting overhead position and
   when setting it down after a set I have to squat down
   or else my lower back is really compressed. And for
   pushdowns my upper body rocks and sways a lot as the
   weight I use is too much compared to my bodyweight
   (200 vs. 194 pounds although I don't think the stated
   stack weight is actual weight). For my last rep of a
   set of pushdowns it seems all the stress is absorbed
   by my lower back and abs. I hate that but don't know
   how to fix it. Any ideas on how to stabilize my upper
   body? I don't like the idea of staying with a lighter
   weight until my bodyweight catches up with the stack
   weight at the rate of four pounds per year :(









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Milo,

Once again, I was only joking when I said that I had
too much mylostatin.

However, where did you come up with the fact that
mylostatin is only on muscle size?

The article clearly states that the child, in addition
to much larger muscles, can lift weights far heaver
then other children his age.

I don't disagree that you can get stronger without
increasing muscle size, but only so much stronger.
There has to be a limit to how much weight a person
with 25 inch thighs can squat and that limit will be
higher for a person with a similar bf% and 35 inch
thighs.

Rich

And for the record, I want to look like I can bench
400 as well as do it.



--- Milo Champ <milochamp@...> wrote:
> Guys, please note that the effects of myostatin, or
> the lack thereof, seems
> to be only on muscle size. As it pertains to
> strength and power, muscle size
> is but one contributing factor and not necessarily
> the biggest one.
>
> This means that if you want to look like you can
> bench press 400, but can
> only bench press 200, like so many bodybuilders,
> then this might be an
> interesting proposition for you. But if you want to
> actually bench 400,
> irrespective of what you look like, it's probably
> less interesting.
>
> This is just my opinion - I've gotten some
> weightlifting images from the
> Pure Power Gallery. They've got the weightlifting
> world championships up
> there. Man, there are some guys lifting some
> enormous weight without much
> muscle bulk. Impressive as all heck to me. I don't
> know about you, but a guy
> with 35" quads doing a half squat with 300 doesn't
> impress me as much as a
> guy with 25" legs doing a full squat with 500.
>
>
> On 6/25/04 9:37 AM, "Rich" <tenncjed@...>
> wrote:
>
> > That is the downside to the written work, you
> can't
> > see the speaker....I was only playing around.
> >
> > --- WAYNE G ROWLEY <wayne@...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Rich
> >>   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> >>   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:02 PM
> >>   Subject: [HIT Digest] Myostatin
> >>
> >>   hi there,
> >>   so are you saying you have had a blood test and
> >> you have to much Myostatin, and that is why you
> find
> >> it hard to build muscle (i am only guessing and
> >> reading between the lines about you finding hard
> to
> >> put on muscle, you could be as big as Arnold for
> all
> >> i know) or are you just guessing, or are you
> lacking
> >> Myostatin and like Arnold, but its very
> interesting
> >> about Myostatin.
> >>   thank you Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >>   I have finally figured out my problem...too
> much
> >>   myostatin.
> >>
> >>   Read this article...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24412217.htm

Hitters!

I wanted to know what the method and formula are for compareing one repitition
maximum strength by comparison of bodyweight to weight divisions.

I do know that a triple bodyweight squat is good in elite powerlifting in the
lower weight classes, but amazing in the heavier weight classes.

A double bodyweight squat in the lower weight divisions is pretty poor, but
average in the heavier weight divisions.

I thought that you could simply take the per bodyweight lift units for singles
and raise them to the power of 1.5.

This is the smae as ^(3/2).

Would you multiply this by anything to give a system of points, and, if there
is, indeed, a method, what is is, how is it used?

What is it called?

---Sarn.



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Guys, please note that the effects of myostatin, or the lack thereof, seems
to be only on muscle size. As it pertains to strength and power, muscle size
is but one contributing factor and not necessarily the biggest one.

This means that if you want to look like you can bench press 400, but can
only bench press 200, like so many bodybuilders, then this might be an
interesting proposition for you. But if you want to actually bench 400,
irrespective of what you look like, it's probably less interesting.

This is just my opinion - I've gotten some weightlifting images from the
Pure Power Gallery. They've got the weightlifting world championships up
there. Man, there are some guys lifting some enormous weight without much
muscle bulk. Impressive as all heck to me. I don't know about you, but a guy
with 35" quads doing a half squat with 300 doesn't impress me as much as a
guy with 25" legs doing a full squat with 500.


On 6/25/04 9:37 AM, "Rich" <tenncjed@...> wrote:

> That is the downside to the written work, you can't
> see the speaker....I was only playing around.
>
> --- WAYNE G ROWLEY <wayne@...>
> wrote:
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Rich
>>   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:02 PM
>>   Subject: [HIT Digest] Myostatin
>>
>>   hi there,
>>   so are you saying you have had a blood test and
>> you have to much Myostatin, and that is why you find
>> it hard to build muscle (i am only guessing and
>> reading between the lines about you finding hard to
>> put on muscle, you could be as big as Arnold for all
>> i know) or are you just guessing, or are you lacking
>> Myostatin and like Arnold, but its very interesting
>> about Myostatin.
>>   thank you Wayne
>>
>>
>>   I have finally figured out my problem...too much
>>   myostatin.
>>
>>   Read this article...
>>
>>
>>
> http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24412217.htm
>>
>>
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Sarn Ursell wrote:

> Here is a novel question for you all...
>
> I have heard anecdotal stories about the use of anabolic steroids, and
> what they do.
>
> I have heard that they increase recovery rate, I have heard that they
> DON NOT increase recovery rate.


The stories I heard/read were that the increase in recovery rate is due
to HGH use, not the AAS.  It's quite obvious that the "elites" are using
more than just one type of drug to get the job done.

--rickey

My experience with steroids is extremely limited. I
used them during the month of April, 1998. I used a
small amount of nandrolone decanoate and a
testosterone blend for four weeks. (Please keep in
mind that I did not break any laws. Steroids are over
the counter here in Mexico.) And my answer to the
question of whether they increase weight to strength
ratio is that it depends on your diet. I ate like a
pig during those four weeks and gained 22 pounds of
fat and muscle while getting stronger too. I don't
think my ratio increased at all, but it doubtlessly
would have had I eaten intelligently, meaning had I
not gotten fat.

--- Sarn Ursell <polyverse2002@...> escribió:
> Here is a novel question for you all...
>
> I have heard anecdotal stories about the use of
> anabolic steroids, and what they do.
>
> I have heard that they increase recovery rate, I
> have heard that they DON NOT increase recovery rate.
>
> I have heard that they anable you to train more
> intensely, and I have heard that they do not enable
> you to train more intensely.
>
> I would appreciate you're feedback on these matters.
>
> But, two things are certain, they increase muscle
> mass, and they increase muscle strength, BOTH.
>
> But, the thing is, if they increase BOTH, what about
> strength to weight ratio????
>
> I assumme that the user's strength to weight ratio
> stays the same if he uses anabolic steroids, as both
> muscle bulk and muscle strength are increased.
>
> Or could there be a specific steroid which effect
> strength and size, independantly???
>
>
> Sarn.
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Rich
>   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:02 PM
>   Subject: [HIT Digest] Myostatin
>
>   hi there,
>   so are you saying you have had a blood test and
> you have to much Myostatin, and that is why you find
> it hard to build muscle (i am only guessing and
> reading between the lines about you finding hard to
> put on muscle, you could be as big as Arnold for all
> i know) or are you just guessing, or are you lacking
> Myostatin and like Arnold, but its very interesting
> about Myostatin.
>   thank you Wayne
>
>
>   I have finally figured out my problem...too much
>   myostatin.
>
>   Read this article...
>
>
>
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24412217.htm
>
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increase  strenth  only, without  an increase  in  bodyweight.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Sarn Ursell
   To: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:26 PM
   Subject: [HIT Digest] Anabolic steroids and strength to weight ratio


   Here is a novel question for you all...

   I have heard anecdotal stories about the use of anabolic steroids, and what
they do.

   I have heard that they increase recovery rate, I have heard that they DON NOT
increase recovery rate.

   I have heard that they anable you to train more intensely, and I have heard
that they do not enable you to train more intensely.

   I would appreciate you're feedback on these matters.

   But, two things are certain, they increase muscle mass, and they increase
muscle strength, BOTH.

   But, the thing is, if they increase BOTH, what about strength to weight
ratio????

   I assumme that the user's strength to weight ratio stays the same if he uses
anabolic steroids, as both muscle bulk and muscle strength are increased.

   Or could there be a specific steroid which effect strength and size,
independantly???


   Sarn.



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Seth,

I found the article - It is called Beating The Urge To Eat by Peter Jaret. It
appears in the July 2004 Readers Digest. Here is a passage.

"Leptin is part of a complex system that closely regulates body fat and hunger -
When we put on fat, fat cell release leptin, which signals the brain to supress
appetite and crank up metabolism. When we burn fat, leptin levels fall, and the
hunger center of the brain say eat something.  With the discovery of Leptin and
proof of its dramatic effect on leptin deficient patients, scientist thought
they had a silver bullet for dieters. But extreme leptin deficiency turns out to
be exceeding rare. Paradoxically, 85 to 90 percent of obese people actually have
higher than normal levels. Apparently triglycerides, fat particles in the blood
can gum up the blood - brain barrier, making it hard for leptin to get across.
As people gain weight, triglycerides rise, which may prevent leptin from
reaching the brain. Researchers at Rockefeller University are currently teating
whether giving leptin to people who have lost significiant amounts of weight
will help them to keep it off. They also announced the discovery of an enzyme
called SCD-1 - controlled by leptin - which is needed to build fat cells. When
scientist deleted the SCD -1 gene from mice, the animals were able to feast on
high fat meals without gaining weight"

Here is a novel question for you all...

I have heard anecdotal stories about the use of anabolic steroids, and what they
do.

I have heard that they increase recovery rate, I have heard that they DON NOT
increase recovery rate.

I have heard that they anable you to train more intensely, and I have heard that
they do not enable you to train more intensely.

I would appreciate you're feedback on these matters.

But, two things are certain, they increase muscle mass, and they increase muscle
strength, BOTH.

But, the thing is, if they increase BOTH, what about strength to weight
ratio????

I assumme that the user's strength to weight ratio stays the same if he uses
anabolic steroids, as both muscle bulk and muscle strength are increased.

Or could there be a specific steroid which effect strength and size,
independantly???


Sarn.



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Has anyone got any information for a beginner to bodybuilding?

You know, just the basics.

A friend and I were talking up at the gym today about the sheer amount of
information overload today, and the incredible amount of rubbish avaiable today,
to mislead and confuse.

What is a beginner to do?

What's needed is a foolproof programme for the beginner to follow, and
instructions.

I designed a beginner's template myself, but I'm looking for books.

Any advice?


Sarn.



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