Hi Miguel shame Waterbury didn't produce gains for you. How long did
you stay with the workout? Have you thought about sticking with the
Waterbury but going for strength increases with it, I'm thinking that
may tip you into growing mode.

I think I usually stick with a workout for to long 6 months I was on
my previous workout and although I gained strength I achieved no real
growth. Do you go by a rule of thumb where by if no growth is achieved
over a certain time period you change regime?

Good luck with the body part split workout.
Jeremy


Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...> wrote:
>
> Update: The Waterbury-style scheme did not work at
> all for me. No strength, no growth, no fat loss or
> anything. Well, I didn't fail -- I just found one
> more thing that didn't work. I'm going with something
> different now, specifically a one-bodypart-a-day
> split, a la Wayne Rowley. It's definitely bodypart
> splits for me.
>
> Wayne Rowley, you out there, old chap?
>
> Miguel
>
> --- Miguel Angel Perez <metalhead2_mx@...>
> escribi�:
>
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > Actually I was reading a Chad Waterbury article
> > today
> > (I had a printout with me on the plane; I'm up in
> > Salt
> > Lake City right now) and the program that he
> > outlined
> > was somewhat similar to what you mention. I, like
> > you, am coming off several weeks of strength
> > training.
> > I used an extremely-low-freq program not unlike
> > Clint
> > Michels's, or Mentzer's consolidation routine. For
> > strength, man does it work! I finished that
> > four-week
> > phase with my stiff-legged deadlift up to 315x12
> > easy,
> > my leg press at 900x8 and 1000x6, my dumbbell row at
> > 110x12, and my weighted dip at +75x9. I improved my
> > numbers vastly in all four lifts, and now it's time
> > to
> > put those strength gains to the test with a higher
> > frequency and volume (as well as more calories).
> >
> > Now Waterbury says that when on a high-freq program
> > you just hit the muscle very often and do not focus
> > on
> > strength increases. You just pound the muscle
> > several
> > times a week with different exercises and
> > parameters,
> > and then you back off for a few days and let the
> > body
> > catch up. Supposedly, this is when you grow,
> > provided
> > you're eating correctly.
> >
> > He has you do a heavy, a medium, and a light day on
> > this program. So what I'd like to do is to take for
> > example my leg press and do 1000x6 on the heavy day,
> > 750x10 on the medium day, and 600x16-20 on the light
> > day. If nothing else, it's an interesting change,
> > so
> > I might give it a shot.
> >
> > Cheerio,
> >
> > Miguel
> >
> > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@...> escribi�:
> >
> > > Cheers Miguel.
> > > I have just started a more volume based workout
> > that
> > > a friend has had
> > > great results from. I am doing 4 sets sometimes 3
> > > per exercise .Two or
> > > 3 exercises a body part 3 times a week [3 way
> > split]
> > > but trying to
> > > resist the temptation of going to failure. I have
> > > not been on a
> > > program that doesn't include reps to failure
> > before.
> > > I am hoping the
> > > change in pace and extra sets work.
> > > The increased number of sets has resulted in
> > baking
> > > off the intensity
> > > a while as you suggested.
> > > Jeremy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy,
> > > >
> > > > That sucks that you didn't gain any size from
> > all
> > > that work.
> > > Anyway, you did gain a lot of strength, and that
> > > will eventually lead
> > > you to mass gains if you consolidate your strength
> > > increases and don't
> > > let them disappear. Maybe you could now drop
> > back
> > > into a less
> > > demanding maintenance routine with the heavier
> > > weights you can now
> > > move, and stay with that routine for awhile just
> > > maintaining. I've
> > > always felt that real strength gains mean that not
> > > only can you move
> > > heavier weights now, but you can handle them with
> > > the same level of
> > > effort it took to handle the lighter weights you
> > > were using before,
> > > with the same quality of execution.
> > > >
> > > > That kind of gains will stay with you, as
> > opposed
> > > to going from 110
> > > kilos with good form and focus to 140 kilos with a
> > > shortened ROM,
> > > choppy form, fewer reps, and no quad focus. Nope
> > > -- that 140 kilos
> > > should feel just as manageable as did the 110
> > kilos
> > > before. If it
> > > doesn't you didn't get stronger, you're just
> > > straining more.
> > > >
> > > > I think you need to keep eating well, rest, and
> > > back off on the
> > > training for a little while, either in intensity
> > or
> > > training
> > > frequency, maybe even lighten the loads or do
> > fewer
> > > sets temporarily
> > > while your body catches up. You're burned out.
> > > >
> > > > Miguel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > From: Miguel Angel Perez
> > > [mailto:metalhead2_mx@]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:58 AM
> > > > To: Perez, Miguel
> > > > Subject: Rv: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > workout correction
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- hmmmhmmhm <hmmmhmmhm@ escribi�:
> > > >
> > > > Para: Hitdigest@yahoogroups.com
> > > > De: "hmmmhmmhm" <hmmmhmmhm@
> > > > Fecha: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:32:59 -0000
> > > > Asunto: [HIT Digest] Re: Results of my new
> > > workout
> > > > correction
> > > >
> > > > I read this and realized it comes across as if
> > I
> > > > have put on muscle
> > > > when I was trying to say I haven't, apart from
> > > > perhaps a bit on my
> > > > back. I put on no weight apart from when like I
> > > said
> > > > I ate more nuts
> > > > etc and that was fat.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well thought Id mention how I got on with my
> > > new
> > > > workout which was
> > > > Casler style [three work sets 20r/10r/5r]
> > > >
> > > > I started properly early November and on
> > nearly
> > > > every workout since
> > > > [3 times a week] I have gotten stronger on at
> > > > least one set often
> > > > every set of a exercise and sometimes all
> > > > exercises.
> > > > As I expected I was getting a rep or two more
> > > > usually. I do recall
> > > > occasionally adding weight and reps.
> > > > I added 30 kilos to my 5 rep squat set it has
> > to
> > > > be noted though that
> > > > half way through the cycle I went up a pin. On
> > > the
> > > > big exercises I
> > > > added about 10 or twelve kilos per set.
> > > > I really enjoyed the extra time in the gym and
> > > > working in different
> > > > rep ranges.
> > > >
> > > > The strange thing is have put on much muscle
> > but
> > > I
> > > > do feel my back has
> > > > grown [thickened] and has a bit more detail,
> > but
> > > > my arms and legs are
> > > > the same as before. I have had problems with
> > > > injury so I haven't
> > > > trained my triceps throughout and when I have
> > > its
> > > > been a low ROM. I
> > > > also was only able to train my chest and
> > > > shoulders for a few months
> > > > due to injury. But the leg and back work have
> > > been
> > > > used constantly. I
> > > > did have a few weeks off training altogether.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was taking in more protein than I normally
> > > would
> > > > do.
> > > > I haven't been able to get my hands on protein
> > > for
> > > > a few weeks so I
> > > > have tended to eat more nuts etc. This has led
> > > to
> > > > a weight increase
> > > > but it seems to be fat.
> > > >
> > > > Thinking about it my back had the most
> > constant
> > > > volume and seems to
> > > > have improved which is interesting.
> > > >
> > > > I am still getting a rep here and there more
> > on
> > > > the workout but feel
> > > > its starting to run its course as I will
> > improve
> > > > on one set then the
> > > > next one I will lose a few reps.
> > > >
> > > > I would have thought strength increases
> > without
> > > > resulting growth can
> > > > happen to a point and its individual but I
> > must
> > > > have had enough
> > > > calories if I put on some fat. And surely
> > > strength
> > > > increases require a
> > > > good amount of calories to be consumed?
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts welcome
> > > > Jeremy
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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