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Re: [HOHAudiologists] Re: 4th year externships

What an interesting discussion!  Makes me "re-live" my life as a 4th year student!  How fun! 
 
I was fortunate to obtain my 4th year placement at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Wash.DC.  It was a fabulous experience, I wouldn't trade it for anything.  It really pulled everything together for me, as I did rotations in hearing aids, auditory diagnostics, vestibular diagnostics, some physical therapy, aural rehabilitation, cochlear implants, and research!  I had ten supervisors!  Wow!  Talk about tough!  It was tough.
 
I used an FM System all the way through my 4th year.  I used it with all my patients...I put the microphone directly on them and used my t-coil.  They never knew I had a hearing loss.  They just assumed it was normal for everyone to wear a microphone during a hearing test. 
 
I also used it in our weekly staffing, monthly departmental meetings, etc.
 
The only place I had a tough time was in the operating room of the cochlear implant rounds.  I wasn't allowed to take the FM with me.  Hearing aids were okay, but FM was not!  I did electrode testing on the implant prior to the surgeon closing the wound.  My supervisor was always with me.  I learned how to do it, but with the masks over the faces of everyone in that room...it was just a situation that my supervisor and I decided I would probably never do again in my life.
 
I didn't disclose my hearing loss when I interviewed for the position.  My main supervisor (the BIG boss) never asked me about the severity of my hearing loss.  She knew it was severe, but at the end of my 4th year she purposely told me that she didn't want to know my audiogram because she didn't want to place any bias' against me.  She wanted to give me as much equality with normal hearing students as she could.  At the time, I thought that was really nice of her.  :)
 
There was one set back that I had that I'd like to share.  About nine-months into my year-long externship, I had a review with my main supervisor.  She gave me A+ remarks across the board.  One week later, she called me into her office and dropped my grade to a B-.
 
I never understood how it happened, but apparently some of the other staff had concerns that had never been brought to my attention.  One story I got was that a hearing aid patient asked me a question and I missed what he said.  So, I asked the patient to repeat the question. 
 
One supervisor took it as a weakness that I had to ask a patient to repeat a question.  This person never told me about it at the time it happened.  Make sure the lines of communication are open with EVERYONE you work with.  I think some supervisors are scared to discuss our hearing loss with us.  So, it is really important that you have a positive attitude and that you try to laugh about your hearing loss.  It really does put everyone at ease and hopefully, supervisors will feel like they can work with you if you act comfortable with your abilities.
Good discussion.  It's nice to see some activity here again!
 
Jill
On Dec 5, 2007 8:17 AM, satchers <Samuel.Atcherson@...> wrote:

Hi Julie,

Although I didn't have to look for a 4th year externship, I did have
to look for a job prior to completion of my masters degree, called a
"clinical fellowship" (laughing).

My experience during my job search and interviews back in 2000 is
similar to what Mark was saying. Potential employers were much more
interested in how well I could get the job done. As soon as they found
out I had a hearing loss (whether I told him before the interview or
during the interview), some would immediately ask how well I could
communicate with staff and patients on the phone, how I would do
listening checks, etc. I was prepared for all those questions as I had
an answer for each one. Although this wasn't said by any of my
interviewers directly, I got this gut feeling that they couldn't help
but think how much money they might be losing if there was a
disruption of communication caused by my hearing loss. No matter how
hard people might try, I just don't think that everyone views hearing
loss in a positive light, even among audiologists! We have to remember
that during an interview for a job (or a 4th year externship), not
only are we being interviewed, but the interviewer is also being
interviewed. We have to have our interviewing skills down pat. If
there is too much focus on our hearing loss or on accommodations, we
have to be smart about how to steer the interview back in a more
productive, meaningful session. Or else, it impinges on possible
discrimination, and that's no fun for anyone.

At the same time, I also agree with the statements Suzanne makes. The
4th year externship would be better viewed as a place where "you put
it all together" and not as a place where you are still "finding
yourself". I also agree that the 4th year is not to be viewed as a
job, but another year of solid learning. Any one, hearing loss or not,
would do well to find a 4th year externship where learning will
continue to happen in the form of preparing for the real world. The
student seeking a 4th year externship should be selective, and not
just take anything that comes their way. Hearing loss or not, the
student should want to seek a place where they can continue to be
mentored, continue to learn, and continue to mature. You should feel
ready to tackle the world when you get that degree. (This very idea is
profoundly different than the Masters degree and clinical fellowship
approach.)

Self-disclosure is a very personal choice. In working with the
Association of Medical Professionals with Hearing Losses (AMPHL) for
several years now, it seems to me across disciplines (Medicine,
veterinary medicine, nursing, psychology, etc) that the more severe
the hearing loss, or the more impact hearing loss has on one's life,
the more it helps to disclose the hearing loss up front. This is not
to say that this is the only choice. But it seems to me that if we are
concerned enough about our hearing loss (or hearing abilities), then
the perception of others about us might be the same. This is where
attitude has to kick in. This is where self-confidence and competence
has to kick in. This is where we have to sell ourselves, despite our
hearing loss. Sometimes, we have to demonstrate how we successfully
turn our "disability" into "ability".

Best wishes,

Sam




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I'm currently in the process of looking at 4th year externships and finding a place that will match me well and will be open minded regarding my hearing loss...
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Julie, What kinds of problems have you run into in your clinical placements? I found most places are very receptive to it - you need to use your hearing loss...
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I have a cochlear implant and do quite well with it. Early on, before I had any confidence and had not completely figured out how to deal with my hearing loss...
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Hello Julie, I just wanted to put in my two cents. I am a student at Northeastern University and a 3rd year student looking at 4th years as well (If anybody ...
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Julie, When I interviewed for my placements for 4th year I found that my potential supervisors were more interested in other qualities such as eagerness to ...
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Suzanne, You've captured a lot of what I've been feeling, when you wrote about being open to "learning with you" and "finding your solutions." I'm wondering if...
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Hi Julie, Although I didn't have to look for a 4th year externship, I did have to look for a job prior to completion of my masters degree, called a "clinical...
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What an interesting discussion! Makes me "re-live" my life as a 4th year student! How fun! I was fortunate to obtain my 4th year placement at Walter Reed...
J. Young
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When I was taking case histories in APD clinic, I found that it was so much information that I would often repeat what the patients said back to them, as a way...
Julia Fitzer
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I know it's interesting how the audiology field sometimes handles audiologist with hearing loss. Just ask the people who so desperately try to get us the...
J. Young
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Julie, I think that would be wonderful. We need more literature on student accommodations. I think that we are still in the "Master's Mindset" and even that...
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