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#1441 From: "Linda" <mljmbaaa@...>
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2007 7:45 pm
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Thanks for all the replys so far.  They help to let me know there
are others.  The boy that was killed was her boyfriend of 2 years
and they were making plans for a future so that makes this that much
harder.  I looked for a christian group as I believe that God can
help you through anything and I have chritian friends but sometimes
you need more.  She has lived on her own and has been home here with
me and I know that next week she will be back to her own place and I
am having a hard time with that today esp for some reason.  The fear
we all have of letting go is rearing its ugly head as I dont want
anything to happen to her as we already had such a close call.  She
usually has a hard time in the morning and then we talk and get on
with the day.  Thanks again to everyone that responded.--- In
Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com, J Hum <jhum07@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Linda,
>   Thanks for writing; I'm really sorry about your daughter's
traumatic loss, the injuries she sustained in that horrible
accident, and your losses as well.
>
>   Obviously, the auto accident sounded so bad, that I'm sure
you're thanking God this day that you still have your daughter.
These accidents happen every night on highways throughout our
country, but there's no way to prepare for when we get the call.
>
>   You show such a wonderful love for your daughter by coming to a
group such as this and trying to find support for her. There has
already been some great wisdom shared concerning grief; it's going
to take time and patience to walk with your daughter through this
valley of darkness. From the difficulty of guilt ("why did I live
and they didn't?") to the loss of a future (I don't know how serious
your daughter was in her relationship with her boyfriend) to the
enormity of grief because of the death itself, she is going to need
time, space, and open acceptance as these deep inner wounds try to
heal.
>
>   Our support and encouragement, here, is first in prayer. We pray
for each other at this place. Knowing how challenging life is
without situations like you all have been thrust into is hard
enough, but then this? It brings to mind John 11:35--the shortest
verse in the Bible. "Jesus wept."
>
>   Secondly, our support is to be here and listen with the
compassionate heart God has given us. It's so important to be able
to have a place where we can share true feelings: hurt,
disappointment, anger, rage, despondency, depression, and just how
lost a situation like this can make a person feel, to also being a
place where we can start making the slow trek back to functional
life.
>
>   Linda, this is your loss too. Your daughter was hurt, and you
had to have some kind of relationship with this boyfriend and friend
of your daughters.
>
>   If you wouldn't mind, can you please tell us when this all
happened, maybe a bit about the two that died and how close your
daughter was to these two (and how well you knew them also)?
>
>   I will say we are a faith-based grief group so nearly everyone
that shares here does so from that perspective. What that means is
that we talk about God's love, how prayer has helped us through, and
how praise and truly loving and forgiving one another is so
important in making it through situations like this--healthy.
>
>   We're so glad you came here, and deeply sorry about this tragic
accident.
>
>   Gracious God, we are so saddened to hear what has happened in
Linda's family, this horrible accident, the death of two precious
people, and the injury of her daughter. Lord God, I pray your love
and peace would bring comfort to that home where the wounds are so
deep at this time. May your healing presence be with each of them as
they try to make some sense of this horrible occurrence. Please be
with the families of the two that died and bring comfort to their
wounded hearts, and help Linda's daughter in her physical and
emotional recovery.
>
>   Lord, situations like this don't catch you off guard, but they
sure do catch us that way. Make your presence evident during this
difficult time. Be with all the families, in your powerful name,
Jesus, we ask, Amen.
>
>   Linda, feel free to write anytime.
>
>   John
>
> Linda <mljmbaaa@...> wrote:
>           My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident
that killed her
> boyfriend and another friend. I am seaching for things that might
> help her or things to say or give. This is something any parent
does
> not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
> someone thats been there or close and things that helped you. She
has
> been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in
a
> few weeks will be back to her own place. Thanks for any responses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#1440 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:26 pm
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Hi Donna,

John

DRDUNCAN <flwrjunki@...> wrote:

I lost my son a year ago on the 7^th. My daughter lost a brother. For young people who still believe they are immortal it blows their minds when they realize they are not. That is one level of pain. Then they think they are not allowed to grieve as others do. This is another lie. They hurt as bad as anyone, maybe worse. This is another level of grief. Then they blame themselves. Alas, another level. With my daughter I just let her talk as much as she wants. To cry as much as she wants. She is also in counseling because she is young and without a lot of life under her belt she doesn�t see things that we as parents do. I can remember telling her often how sorry I was that she has lost a brother. I try to take myself out of the picture so she can see that I am really feeling her pain, not just my own. And of course we pray, pray, pray�don�t forget the full armor of God. She will need every piece of that. And please reassure her that no matter how bad it feels right this minute it will not feel this way forever. Not this particular piece of pain. She doesn�t have to know that the pain will always be there, just in a different shape. But for now that is not knowledge she needs. She just needs to hear that it will not hurt so bad forever.

Tell her I am so sorry for her loss. Friends are so hard to come by. We don�t always have so many friends. So to lose one is very hard. But she will continue to survive. God has a plan for her or she would not have survived that night along with her friends.

Donna

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:48 PM
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Grief_Group] searching for help

My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident that killed her
boyfriend and another friend. I am seaching for things that might
help her or things to say or give. This is something any parent does
not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
someone thats been there or close and things that helped you. She has
been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in a
few weeks will be back to her own place. Thanks for any responses.

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#1439 From: "DRDUNCAN" <flwrjunki@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 6:39 pm
Subject: RE: searching for help flwrjunkie0914
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I lost my son a year ago on the 7^th. My daughter lost a brother. For young people who still believe they are immortal it blows their minds when they realize they are not. That is one level of pain. Then they think they are not allowed to grieve as others do. This is another lie. They hurt as bad as anyone, maybe worse. This is another level of grief. Then they blame themselves. Alas, another level. With my daughter I just let her talk as much as she wants. To cry as much as she wants. She is also in counseling because she is young and without a lot of life under her belt she doesn’t see things that we as parents do. I can remember telling her often how sorry I was that she has lost a brother. I try to take myself out of the picture so she can see that I am really feeling her pain, not just my own. And of course we pray, pray, pray…don’t forget the full armor of God. She will need every piece of that. And please reassure her that no matter how bad it feels right this minute it will not feel this way forever. Not this particular piece of pain. She doesn’t have to know that the pain will always be there, just in a different shape. But for now that is not knowledge she needs. She just needs to hear that it will not hurt so bad forever.

Tell her I am so sorry for her loss. Friends are so hard to come by. We don’t always have so many friends. So to lose one is very hard. But she will continue to survive. God has a plan for her or she would not have survived that night along with her friends.

Donna

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:48 PM
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Grief_Group] searching for help

My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident that killed her
boyfriend and another friend. I am seaching for things that might
help her or things to say or give. This is something any parent does
not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
someone thats been there or close and things that helped you. She has
been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in a
few weeks will be back to her own place. Thanks for any responses.

#1438 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 3:24 pm
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Hi Linda,

Thanks for writing; I'm really sorry about your daughter's traumatic loss, the injuries she sustained in that horrible accident, and your losses as well.

Obviously, the auto accident sounded so bad, that I'm sure you're thanking God this day that you still have your daughter. These accidents happen every night on highways throughout our country, but there's no way to prepare for when we get the call.

You show such a wonderful love for your daughter by coming to a group such as this and trying to find support for her. There has already been some great wisdom shared concerning grief; it's going to take time and patience to walk with your daughter through this valley of darkness. From the difficulty of guilt ("why did I live and they didn't?") to the loss of a future (I don't know how serious your daughter was in her relationship with her boyfriend) to the enormity of grief because of the death itself, she is going to need time, space, and open acceptance as these deep inner wounds try to heal.

Our support and encouragement, here, is first in prayer. We pray for each other at this place. Knowing how challenging life is without situations like you all have been thrust into is hard enough, but then this? It brings to mind John 11:35--the shortest verse in the Bible. "Jesus wept."

Secondly, our support is to be here and listen with the compassionate heart God has given us. It's so important to be able to have a place where we can share true feelings: hurt, disappointment, anger, rage, despondency, depression, and just how lost a situation like this can make a person feel, to also being a place where we can start making the slow trek back to functional life.

Linda, this is your loss too. Your daughter was hurt, and you had to have some kind of relationship with this boyfriend and friend of your daughters.

If you wouldn't mind, can you please tell us when this all happened, maybe a bit about the two that died and how close your daughter was to these two (and how well you knew them also)?

I will say we are a faith-based grief group so nearly everyone that shares here does so from that perspective. What that means is that we talk about God's love, how prayer has helped us through, and how praise and truly loving and forgiving one another is so important in making it through situations like this--healthy.

We're so glad you came here, and deeply sorry about this tragic accident.

Gracious God, we are so saddened to hear what has happened in Linda's family, this horrible accident, the death of two precious people, and the injury of her daughter. Lord God, I pray your love and peace would bring comfort to that home where the wounds are so deep at this time. May your healing presence be with each of them as they try to make some sense of this horrible occurrence. Please be with the families of the two that died and bring comfort to their wounded hearts, and help Linda's daughter in her physical and emotional recovery.

Lord, situations like this don't catch you off guard, but they sure do catch us that way. Make your presence evident during this difficult time. Be with all the families, in your powerful name, Jesus, we ask, Amen.

Linda, feel free to write anytime.

John

Linda <mljmbaaa@...> wrote:

My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident that killed her
boyfriend and another friend. I am seaching for things that might
help her or things to say or give. This is something any parent does
not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
someone thats been there or close and things that helped you. She has
been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in a
few weeks will be back to her own place. Thanks for any responses.

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#1437 From: Mandi3020@...
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 1:07 pm
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Linda,

I know that when my mother died two years ago I felt that God blessed me with only allowing me to feel the loss in increments. I guess what I'm saying is that after the inital shock, I was numb for a bit, then I would feel the enormity of the loss and grieve and grieve, then I'd be numb for a while longer. I just felt like God only allowed me to feel as much as I could stand, because I couldn't have tolerated all of the pain and grief all at one time every day. I hope that makes sense. This process took months, probably the entire first year after mom's passing.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that your daughter my have some very rough times, then they'll ease up a bit, then it may seem she is at square one in the grieving process again. I would ask God to help you to help her. I know that with God's help and her mother's love, she'll be fine, but the journey to get there will be rough at times.

God Bless,

Mandi

-----Original Message-----
From: Betty Childress <bchile@...>
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:55 am
Subject: Re: [Grief_Group] searching for help

Linda,

I have never been a mother and I can't even begin to imagine how your heart must be breaking for your daugther. Everyone grieves in their own way and in their own pace and I know when my mom died a couple years ago...my last living parent as my father died when I was 13...the things that meant the most to me were the people that were just there to listen or to take me to dinner or to just plain ask how I was doing after the initial 3 months had passed and everyone else seemingly forgot that I was still grieving. Grief is not something that you accomplish in a week or month or even 2-3 months...it is something that will take a couple years for her to work thru the process. And she must work thru the process...trying to avoid it only makes it harder somewhere along the way. As a mother...how to know what to do...I think you need to daily ask God to help understand and to show you what you can do to help her. If you have never really had to grieve an unexpected loss like this then read what you can on loss and grief. There are some good books recommended on our site and there are some good christian authors out there. One that I would recommend if H. Norman Wright's Dealing with the Losses in Life. This is a christian counselor and author who also understands what it's like to be a parent and lose a child. We also have some very good members of this group who unfortunately have gone thru the loss of a child and can maybe help you along the way. Different things will minister to her along the way and at times she will want to talk and other times the best you can do for her is to just let her know you are always there to lean on when she needs it. For me...the most healing thing that I found sometimes was music.....music spoke to my heart when my head could not even hear the words people were saying.

I know this I'm not coming from the same issue as your dealing with but God does understand our grief and He understands the survivor's desires to help the griever also.

Betty

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From: Linda

To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:48 PM

Subject: [Grief_Group] searching for help

My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident that killed her
boyfriend and another friend. I am seaching for things that might
help her or things to say or give. This is something any parent does
not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
someone thats been there or close and things that helped you. She has
been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in a
few weeks will be back to her own place. Thanks for any responses.

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#1436 From: "Betty Childress" <bchile@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 4:58 am
Subject: Re: Amy's Update cocoaasmom
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Amy,

Praise God!! What a wonderful testament to God's providing for our needs and blessing our obedience to continue to follow Him even when things feel like they are just too much to handle. God has richly blessed you and I am so happy for you.

Betty

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From: amy becker

To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [Grief_Group] Amy's Update

Hello everybody,

The kids and I are doing very well. We have not moved yet, the house is just about ready. For the most part everything is new. It's wonderful and the landlord is really doing all he can to make it everything I want. Very nice and does not mind how or what I do to the inside to make it feel like home for us. Looks as if I may be selling my current home oppose to foreclosure. The house is on the market for 139.900 and I owe 121.000. I have had many calls for people to come see the house. I am waiting until I move to have families come and look. They are all willing to wait.

I am working day shift now and loving it. I am seeing much bigger checks and able to pay all the bills along with the extra's the kids want and what I would like to do as a special something in the house. All is going very very well and I am very thankful and blessed.

I am also working on my relationship with my daughter's father. We both love each other very much, but I was not willing to put up with the drinking. He is in therapy and is 4 months sober. It's a start, and hopefully some day we will find our way to marriage. I pray for Larry daily and it's nice to see he is working on his relationship with God.

May 28th Larry's father passed away. I was there holding his hand as he took his final breathes. What an honor to be there with him as he completed his journey to God. I often wonder who is there in spirit as a person meets the end of their journey. How much love is surrounding you in the room without you actually being aware? What a question to consider and think about!

God be with you all. I do read the posts, I just have had such a difficult time finding time anymore with working over 105 hours every 2 weeks. But, God is blessing me greatly!!

Peace and Blessings to you all,

Amy~
J Hum <jhum07@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

God be with you on this very difficult anniversary. May God's presence be evident during this time. I hope you don't mind but I wanted to repost your story here. It was so touching to me when you came to the group.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

amy becker <pallnursing@yahoo.com> wrote:

Amy <pallnursing@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly. My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him. One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside as I did then. My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye. I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do. Thank you for letting me vent a bit. God Bless, Amy

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#1435 From: "Betty Childress" <bchile@...>
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 4:55 am
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Linda,

I know this I'm not coming from the same issue as your dealing with but God does understand our grief and He understands the survivor's desires to help the griever also.

Betty

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From: Linda

To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:48 PM

Subject: [Grief_Group] searching for help

My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident that killed her
boyfriend and another friend. I am seaching for things that might
help her or things to say or give. This is something any parent does
not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
someone thats been there or close and things that helped you. She has
been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in a
few weeks will be back to her own place. Thanks for any responses.

#1434 From: "Linda" <mljmbaaa@...>
Date: Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:48 pm
Subject: searching for help mljmbaaa
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My daughter (24yrs) was involved in an auto accident that killed her
boyfriend and another friend.  I am seaching for things that might
help her or things to say or give.  This is something any parent does
not want to watch their children go through so I am just trying to
someone thats been there or close and things that helped you.  She has
been living on her own but has been back home recouperating but in a
few weeks will be back to her own place.  Thanks for any responses.

#1433 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:29 am
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What an incredible blessing! That was so exciting reading that post, Amy, awesome. You know we all hope and pray that absolute best for you and the kids, and it just sounds like that's the path you're on.

Wow, thanks for taking the time to update.

God's peace bless and keep you,

John

amy becker <pallnursing@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

The kids and I are doing very well. We have not moved yet, the house is just about ready. For the most part everything is new. It's wonderful and the landlord is really doing all he can to make it everything I want. Very nice and does not mind how or what I do to the inside to make it feel like home for us. Looks as if I may be selling my current home oppose to foreclosure. The house is on the market for 139.900 and I owe 121.000. I have had many calls for people to come see the house. I am waiting until I move to have families come and look. They are all willing to wait.

I am working day shift now and loving it. I am seeing much bigger checks and able to pay all the bills along with the extra's the kids want and what I would like to do as a special something in the house. All is going very very well and I am very thankful and blessed.

I am also working on my relationship with my daughter's father. We both love each other very much, but I was not willing to put up with the drinking. He is in therapy and is 4 months sober. It's a start, and hopefully some day we will find our way to marriage. I pray for Larry daily and it's nice to see he is working on his relationship with God.

May 28th Larry's father passed away. I was there holding his hand as he took his final breathes. What an honor to be there with him as he completed his journey to God. I often wonder who is there in spirit as a person meets the end of their journey. How much love is surrounding you in the room without you actually being aware? What a question to consider and think about!

God be with you all. I do read the posts, I just have had such a difficult time finding time anymore with working over 105 hours every 2 weeks. But, God is blessing me greatly!!

Peace and Blessings to you all,

Amy~
J Hum <jhum07@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

God be with you on this very difficult anniversary. May God's presence be evident during this time. I hope you don't mind but I wanted to repost your story here. It was so touching to me when you came to the group.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

amy becker <pallnursing@yahoo.com> wrote:

Amy <pallnursing@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly. My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him. One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside as I did then. My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye. I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do. Thank you for letting me vent a bit. God Bless, Amy

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#1432 From: amy becker <pallnursing@...>
Date: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Amy's Update pallnursing
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Hello everybody,

The kids and I are doing very well. We have not moved yet, the house is just about ready. For the most part everything is new. It's wonderful and the landlord is really doing all he can to make it everything I want. Very nice and does not mind how or what I do to the inside to make it feel like home for us. Looks as if I may be selling my current home oppose to foreclosure. The house is on the market for 139.900 and I owe 121.000. I have had many calls for people to come see the house. I am waiting until I move to have families come and look. They are all willing to wait.

I am working day shift now and loving it. I am seeing much bigger checks and able to pay all the bills along with the extra's the kids want and what I would like to do as a special something in the house. All is going very very well and I am very thankful and blessed.

I am also working on my relationship with my daughter's father. We both love each other very much, but I was not willing to put up with the drinking. He is in therapy and is 4 months sober. It's a start, and hopefully some day we will find our way to marriage. I pray for Larry daily and it's nice to see he is working on his relationship with God.

May 28th Larry's father passed away. I was there holding his hand as he took his final breathes. What an honor to be there with him as he completed his journey to God. I often wonder who is there in spirit as a person meets the end of their journey. How much love is surrounding you in the room without you actually being aware? What a question to consider and think about!

God be with you all. I do read the posts, I just have had such a difficult time finding time anymore with working over 105 hours every 2 weeks. But, God is blessing me greatly!!

Peace and Blessings to you all,

Amy~
J Hum <jhum07@...> wrote:

Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

God be with you on this very difficult anniversary. May God's presence be evident during this time. I hope you don't mind but I wanted to repost your story here. It was so touching to me when you came to the group.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

amy becker <pallnursing@yahoo.com> wrote:

Amy <pallnursing@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly. My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him. One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside as I did then. My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye. I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do. Thank you for letting me vent a bit. God Bless, Amy

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#1431 From: Mandi3020@...
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Thanks Donna. My daughter and I were talking one day and she told me she thinks when people get to heaven Jesus tells them that their loved ones will be along shortly. That way they don't miss us. It's like when you tell your family goodbye in the morning as you leave for work. You're not sad throughout the day, even though you are not with them because you have the knowledge that you will see them soon. I like to believe that our loved ones in heaven are busy praising God and enjoying being with other loved ones gone on before them. They know we'll be there in time so they don't miss us.

I have a hard time accepting that my mom didn't feel some sadness as she left me, my sister and her only grandchild behind, but I believe she was overjoyed to see her mother and father again. They had been gone for so many years, it had to be a fantastic reunion.

My thoughts are with you this week. I know God will give you grace, peace and comfort.

Amanda

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Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 4:02 pm
Subject: RE: [Grief_Group] Why today?

Amanda, I have to believe that our loved ones still know us. I couldn’t imagine it would be heaven otherwise. But I hope they do not see our tears and how our hearts still break. I think of my son and wonder if he sees how hard this has been to his dad and I? but if he does then I know that Jesus has revealed something great to him to help him with the sadness. I mean there are no tears in heaven. Only answers and Jesus. One day we will get to have both.

Donna

Donna Duncan

"Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles;

they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow faint".

Isaiah 40:31

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mandi3020@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:43 PM
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John,

Thanks for reposting Amy's story.

And, Amy, I understand what you mean about the sudden loss of a loved one. My mother will be gone two years this coming July 29th. Sometimes I still stand at her grave and ask, "How did we get here?" We'd been planning to go to the beach that next week---her list of items to pack for the trip was laying beside her bed---no warning, nothing, she just died in her sleep.

I'm sorry you didn't get to view your dad. It's so hard, but I do think it helped me to see my mom. If not, I'd still be wandering around just thinking I haven't seen her in a long time. For a long while after she died, my mind had a way of thinking the situation was somehow going to correct itself; don't know what that was all about. I guess just denial.

To all of us who still grieve (I think we always will) I do find comfort in what John said about saying "Hello" to our loved ones someday. The other day I thought of my mother visiting with her mother in heaven and how neither one of them now are in agony from arthritis and hurting every waking moment, and the thought of their peace did make me feel happy for them.

Do you think our loved ones in heaven think of us? I know Jesus wipes away all tears, but do you think they remember and think of us? I can't imagine being in heaven myself and not having an awareness of my daughter still here. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts and encouragment on this. June 29th would have been my mom's birthday, so this week is going to be tough. Please keep me in prayers, as I will everyone here as well.

God Bless,
Amanda

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To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Grief_Group] Why today?

Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

God be with you on this very difficult anniversary. May God's presence be evident during this time. I hope you don't mind but I wanted to repost your story here. It was so touching to me when you came to the group.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

amy becker yahoo.com> wrote:

Amy yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly.
My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him.
One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside
as I did then.
My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye.

I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my
job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do.

Thank you for letting me vent a bit.
God Bless,
Amy

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#1430 From: "Betty Childress" <bchile@...>
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:26 pm
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Donna...thank you for posting. The first anniversary is always the hardest. As to no one remembering....well...we are all here and God never forgets a date. He remembered and will walk you thru this week just like He did a year ago.

Betty

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From: DONNA DUNCAN

To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:58 PM

Subject: RE: [Grief_Group] Why today?

Hello all.

We are quickly approaching the 1^st anniversary of Bryan�s death. They just finish his headstone and it is in place. That totally knocked the wind from my sails but it is accomplished. I am doing better I guess. It still grabs me at the most inopportune time. Like in church today. I am working through it but it is still hard. I was told yesterday had it already been a year�and I had to say yes. It was the longest and shortest year of my life. And the hardest. Praying for better ones though. For my husband and my daughter as well. It is hard because no one has remembered the date. We are by our selves. I think how people can forget July 7^th. But then again this is our tragedy not theirs.

Hope all is well with each one of you.

Still praising Him through the storm

D.

Donna Duncan

"Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles;

they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow faint".

                Isaiah 40:31

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J Hum
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:50 AM
To: grief group
Subject: [Grief_Group] Why today?

Maybe you feel a bit like Jeremiah?

Lamentations 3:17 I have been deprived of peace;
       I have forgotten what prosperity is.

18 So I say, "My splendor is gone
       and all that I had hoped from the LORD."

19 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
       the bitterness and the gall.

20 I well remember them,
       and my soul is downcast within me.

So then a great question arises: why? Why go on trusting, why go on caring, why try?

Because verses 21-26 are on the way...

21 Yet this I call to mind
       and therefore I have hope:

22 Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed,
       for his compassions never fail.

23 They are new every morning;
       great is your faithfulness.

24 I say to myself, "The LORD is my portion;
       therefore I will wait for him."

25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
       to the one who seeks him;

26 it is good to wait quietly
       for the salvation of the LORD.

Last week I was running in a race to raise money for breast cancer research. It was a 3 mile run and about every mile they had brought in cheer leading squads to cheer on the runners. Just about the time us runners were starting to get tired and those feelings of quit came to mind, up ahead there were cheers of support and hope that the race was about over, it was about accomplished, we were doing fine, we were "winning."

Sometimes we need someone to cheer us on; sometimes God calls us to be the ones to cheer on the others.

This morning God's mercies are new. His love waits to refresh us and help us finish the race.

God's peace and love be yours in abundance.

John

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#1429 From: "DONNA DUNCAN" <flwrjunki@...>
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:02 pm
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Donna

Donna Duncan

"Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles;

they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow faint".

Isaiah 40:31

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mandi3020@...
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:43 PM
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Grief_Group] Why today?

John,

Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

amy becker yahoo.com> wrote:

Amy yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly.
My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him.
One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside
as I did then.
My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye.

I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my
job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do.

Thank you for letting me vent a bit.
God Bless,
Amy

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#1428 From: "DONNA DUNCAN" <flwrjunki@...>
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:58 pm
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Hello all.

We are quickly approaching the 1^st anniversary of Bryan’s death. They just finish his headstone and it is in place. That totally knocked the wind from my sails but it is accomplished. I am doing better I guess. It still grabs me at the most inopportune time. Like in church today. I am working through it but it is still hard. I was told yesterday had it already been a year…and I had to say yes. It was the longest and shortest year of my life. And the hardest. Praying for better ones though. For my husband and my daughter as well. It is hard because no one has remembered the date. We are by our selves. I think how people can forget July 7^th. But then again this is our tragedy not theirs.

Hope all is well with each one of you.

Still praising Him through the storm

Donna Duncan

"Those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles;

they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not grow faint".

Isaiah 40:31

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J Hum
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 9:50 AM
To: grief group
Subject: [Grief_Group] Why today?

Maybe you feel a bit like Jeremiah?

Lamentations 3:17 I have been deprived of peace;
I have forgotten what prosperity is.

18 So I say, "My splendor is gone
and all that I had hoped from the LORD."

19 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
the bitterness and the gall.

20 I well remember them,
and my soul is downcast within me.

So then a great question arises: why? Why go on trusting, why go on caring, why try?

Because verses 21-26 are on the way...

21 Yet this I call to mind
and therefore I have hope:

22 Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.

23 They are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.

24 I say to myself, "The LORD is my portion;
therefore I will wait for him."

25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;

26 it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the LORD.

Last week I was running in a race to raise money for breast cancer research. It was a 3 mile run and about every mile they had brought in cheer leading squads to cheer on the runners. Just about the time us runners were starting to get tired and those feelings of quit came to mind, up ahead there were cheers of support and hope that the race was about over, it was about accomplished, we were doing fine, we were "winning."

Sometimes we need someone to cheer us on; sometimes God calls us to be the ones to cheer on the others.

This morning God's mercies are new. His love waits to refresh us and help us finish the race.

God's peace and love be yours in abundance.

John

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#1427 From: Mandi3020@...
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:42 pm
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John,

Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

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Amy yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly. My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him. One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside as I did then. My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye. I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do. Thank you for letting me vent a bit. God Bless, Amy

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#1426 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:31 pm
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Hi Amy,

Great to hear from you. If you wouldn't mind taking a moment and letting us know how you're doing, I would LOVE to hear how you and the kids are.

Amy, I know you never got to say "good bye" to your dad, but one day you will get to say "HELLO!" I hope in that day you introduce me to your dad. I can't wait to meet him.

You are a blessing to us and many other people Amy. Take courage in the Lord and the power of his might.

John

amy becker <pallnursing@...> wrote:

Amy <pallnursing@...> wrote:

Hello everybody. My name is Amy, I am 33, and I have 3 children. I would have to say that 2004 was the worst and hardest year I could have ever experienced, I'm still trying to work through it. Within 11 months time I lost 3 very important people in my life. My grandparents, this was rather expected, but even so, that doesn't make it an easy transition. And, my father passed away very unexpectedly. My dad was 49, much to young, and so full of life. The day that all this happened is ingrained in my mind forever. My brother had called me on the cell phone, asked if August 14,and 15 would be good for camping, that Dad wanted to know. He told me to call Dad when I got home. about 40 minutes later, I was home and decided to put the kids to bed first. The phone rings and it's my other brother from Illinois, saying Dad fell to the ground and EMS was working on him. One hour later, my brother calls back and says," How do I tell my sister this, Amy...He's gone" I was absolutely devastated. It has been a year this past June 24th, and I still feel just as bad inside as I did then. My step mother did not allow a casket type ceremony. My Dad was cremated, with no visitation, so I never saw my dad after he passed. I never got to say goodbye. I feel very blessed to have found this group. My hope is to not only receive help in my journey towards healing, but to help others in their journey. As silly as this sounds, I have alot of contact in my job with people that have just lost a loved one. I work in a hospice type unit. You'd think I would be able to get a better grip on all of this, but I have learned all I have spoke to my families about is not very easy to do. Thank you for letting me vent a bit. God Bless, Amy

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#1425 From: amy becker <pallnursing@...>
Date: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:47 pm
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Thank you John, you have given me great thoughts to think about on this 3rd year anniversary date of my father's passing.

Blessings,

Amy~

J Hum <jhum07@...> wrote:

Maybe you feel a bit like Jeremiah?

Lamentations 3:17 I have been deprived of peace;
       I have forgotten what prosperity is.

18 So I say, "My splendor is gone
       and all that I had hoped from the LORD."
19 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
       the bitterness and the gall.
20 I well remember them,
       and my soul is downcast within me.

So then a great question arises: why? Why go on trusting, why go on caring, why try?

Because verses 21-26 are on the way...

21 Yet this I call to mind
       and therefore I have hope:
22 Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed,
       for his compassions never fail.
23 They are new every morning;
       great is your faithfulness.
24 I say to myself, "The LORD is my portion;
       therefore I will wait for him."
25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
       to the one who seeks him;
26 it is good to wait quietly
       for the salvation of the LORD.

Last week I was running in a race to raise money for breast cancer research. It was a 3 mile run and about every mile they had brought in cheer leading squads to cheer on the runners. Just about the time us runners were starting to get tired and those feelings of quit came to mind, up ahead there were cheers of support and hope that the race was about over, it was about accomplished, we were doing fine, we were "winning."

Sometimes we need someone to cheer us on; sometimes God calls us to be the ones to cheer on the others.

This morning God's mercies are new. His love waits to refresh us and help us finish the race.

God's peace and love be yours in abundance.

John

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#1424 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:49 pm
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Maybe you feel a bit like Jeremiah?

Lamentations 3:17 I have been deprived of peace;
I have forgotten what prosperity is.

18 So I say, "My splendor is gone
and all that I had hoped from the LORD."

19 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
the bitterness and the gall.

20 I well remember them,
and my soul is downcast within me.

So then a great question arises: why? Why go on trusting, why go on caring, why try?

Because verses 21-26 are on the way...

21 Yet this I call to mind
and therefore I have hope:

22 Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.

23 They are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.

24 I say to myself, "The LORD is my portion;
therefore I will wait for him."

25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;

26 it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the LORD.

Sometimes we need someone to cheer us on; sometimes God calls us to be the ones to cheer on the others.

This morning God's mercies are new. His love waits to refresh us and help us finish the race.

God's peace and love be yours in abundance.

John

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#1423 From: "Betty" <bchile@...>
Date: Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:41 pm
Subject: The Proper View of Self cocoaasmom
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The Proper View Of Self

To him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think . . . by glory.
Ephesians 3:20-21

There are two extremes of poor I-sight. Self-loving and self-loathing. We swing from one side to the other. Promotions and demotions bump us back and forth. One day too high on self, the ext too hard on self. Neither is correct. Self-elevation and self-deprecation are equally inaccurate. Where is the truth?

Smack-dab in the middle. Dead center between "I can do anything" and "I can't do anything" lies "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Phil. 4:13).

Neither omnipotent nor impotent, neither God's MVP nor God's mistake. Not self-secure or insecure, but God-secure - - a self-worth based in our identity as children of God. The proper view of self is in the middle.

Max Lucado

#1421 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:40 pm
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2 Corinthians 1:3-4 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, 4who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God.

This is a powerful text I like to read often. It gives redemption to the tough stuff we go through in this life.

We're one day closer to seeing the Lord; let's encourage others towards that day as well.

Of course, pray for the Billy Graham and his whole family during their time of grief.

May the God of comfort and peace be with you all today.

John

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#1419 From: "Betty" <bchile@...>
Date: Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:34 am
Subject: Don't Say You're Not Important cocoaasmom
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Don't Say You're Not Important"

Don't say you're not important,
It simply isn't true,
The fact that you were born,
Is proof, God has a plan for you.

The path may seem unclear right now,
   But one day you will see,
   That all that came before,
   Was truly meant to be.

   God wrote the book that is your life,
   That's all you need to know.
   Each day that you are living,
   Was written long ago.

   God only writes best sellers,
   So be proud of who you are,
   Your character is important,
   In this book you are the "Star."

   Enjoy the novel as it reads,
   It will stand throughout the ages,
   Savor each chapter as you go,
   Taking time to turn the pages.

~~ author unknown ~~

#1418 From: "jhum07" <jhum07@...>
Date: Tue May 29, 2007 1:37 pm
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Greetings in the wonderful name of Jesus.

I hope you are all doing well. The inactivity here has made me
wonder if everyone is doing well.

I love this passage:

As the deer pants for streams of water,
        so my soul pants for you, O God.
  2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God.
        When can I go and meet with God?

  3 My tears have been my food
        day and night,
        while men say to me all day long,
        "Where is your God?"

  4 These things I remember
        as I pour out my soul:
        how I used to go with the multitude,
        leading the procession to the house of God,
        with shouts of joy and thanksgiving
        among the festive throng.

  5 Why are you downcast, O my soul?
        Why so disturbed within me?
        Put your hope in God,
        for I will yet praise him,
        my Savior and my God.
        My soul is downcast within me;
        therefore I will remember you
        from the land of the Jordan,
        the heights of Hermon�from Mount Mizar.

As with this Psalmist, even when times get challenging, when things
look bleak, when our faith is tested, we can ultimately turn to
praise...because...God is going to set right that which is wrong.
God is going to deliver those that are downcast, and God is going to
have the ultimate victory--and we by sharing in his abundant grace.

Is our soul downcast? Let's put our hope in God.


Jesus, in your powerful name we come. Let us be not put to shame,
but allow us to flourish in the land and be a witness to your love
and tender mercy. Be with us this day, this week, and all the days
of our life. Thank you Lord!

Amen.


Grace and peace be with you all.

John

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#1414 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Fri May 18, 2007 2:38 pm
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Good morning to you, Betty, and all...

Thanks for the prayers, and some back at you (and everyone else).

Concerning God being there even when we don't feel him, I thought this was an interesting quote:

In an essay on prayer, C.S. Lewis suggested that God treats new Christians with a special kind of tenderness, much as a parent dotes on a newborn. He quotes an experienced Christian: "I have seen many striking answers to prayer and more than one that I thought miraculous. But they usually come at the beginning before conversion, or soon after it. As the Christian life proceeds, they tend to be rarer. The refusals, too, are not only more frequent; they become more unmistakable, more emphatic."

At first glance, such a suggestion seems to have it all backward. Shouldn't faith become easier, not harder, as a Christian progresses? But, as Lewis points out, the New Testament gives two strong examples of unanswered prayers: Jesus pled three times for God to "Take this cup from me" and Paul begged God to cure the "thorn in my flesh." Lewis asks, "Does God then forsake just those who serve Him best? Well, He who served Him best of all said, near His tortured death, 'Why hast thou forsaken me?' When God becomes man, that Man, of all others, is least comforted by God, at His greatest need. There is a mystery here which, even if I had the power, I might not have the courage to explore. Meanwhile, little people like you and me, if our prayers are sometimes granted, beyond all hope and probability, had better not draw hasty conclusions to our own advantage. If we were stronger, we might be less tenderly treated. If we were braver, we might be sent, with far less help, to defend far more desperate posts in the great battle."

Quoted in Disappointment With God, Philip Yancey, Zondervan, p. 208.

Notice the name of the book this quote is drawn from (Yancy's a favorite of mine).

God be with you all today and always.

John

Betty <bchile@...> wrote:

Good Morning to everyone and Hello to old and new members alike.

Praying all of you are doing well and none are in the line of fires or
dealing with the aftermath of flooding.

God is a wonderful and gracious God who takes us by the hand and walks
us thru everything in life...if it's a down day for you just squeeze
His hand a little harder to remind yourself that He is always with you
even when you don't feel it.

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#1412 From: "Betty" <bchile@...>
Date: Thu May 17, 2007 4:26 pm
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Good Morning to everyone and Hello to old and new members alike.

Praying all of you are doing well and none are in the line of fires or
dealing with the aftermath of flooding.

God is a wonderful and gracious God who takes us by the hand and walks
us thru everything in life...if it's a down day for you just squeeze
His hand a little harder to remind yourself that He is always with you
even when you don't feel it.

Betty

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#1411 From: Lisa Hicks <lisahicks13@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:06 am
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Wow how powerful.

God Bless!!

Lisa

J Hum <jhum07@...> wrote:

This is excellent.

John

WAITING ON THE LORDDesperately, helplessly, longingly, I cried.
Quietly, patiently, lovingly God replied.
I pled and I wept for a clue to my fate,
And the Master so gently said, "Child, you must wait!"
"'Wait?', you say, wait!" my indignant reply.
"Lord, I need answers, I need to know why!
Is your hand shortened? Or have you not heard?
By FAITH I have asked, and am claiming your Word.
"My future and all to which I can relate
Hangs in the balance, and you tell me to WAIT?
I'm needing a 'yes,' a go-ahead sign,
Or even a 'no' to which I can resign.
"And Lord, you promised that if we believe
We need but to ask, and we shall receive.
And Lord, I've been asking, and this is my cry:
I'm weary of asking! I need a reply!"
Then quietly, softly, I learned of my fate
As my Master replied once again, "You must wait."
So, I slumped in my chair, defeated and taut
And grumbled to God, "So, I'm waiting. . ..for what?"
He seemed then to kneel and His eyes wept with mine,
And he tenderly said, "I could give you a sign.
I could shake the heavens, and darken the sun.
I could raise the dead, and cause mountains to run.
All you seek, I could give, and pleased you would be.
You would have what you want -- but, you wouldn't know ME.
"You'd not know the depth of my love for each saint;
You'd not know the power that I give to the faint;
You'd not learn to see through the clouds of despair;
You'd not learn to trust just by knowing I'm there;
You'd not know the joy of resting in me
When darkness and silence were all you could see.
"You'd never experience that fullness of love
As the peace of my Spirit descends like a dove;
You'd know that I give and I save. . .(for a start),
But you'd not know the depth of the beat of my heart.
"The glow of my comfort late into the night.
The faith that I give when you walk without sight,
The depth that's beyond getting just what you asked
Of an infinite God, who makes what you have LAST.
"You'd never know, should your pain quickly flee,
What it means that 'My grace is sufficient for thee.'
Yes, your dreams for your loved ones overnight would come true,
But, oh, the loss! if I lost what I'm doing in you!
"So, be silent, my child, and in time you will see
THAT THE GREATEST OF GIFTS IS TO GET TO KNOW ME.
And though oft may my answers seem terribly late,
My wisest of answers is still but to WAIT."
~Author Unknown~

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#1410 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:18 am
Subject: Wait on the Lord jhum07
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This is excellent.

John

WAITING ON THE LORDDesperately, helplessly, longingly, I cried.
Quietly, patiently, lovingly God replied.
I pled and I wept for a clue to my fate,
And the Master so gently said, "Child, you must wait!"
"'Wait?', you say, wait!" my indignant reply.
"Lord, I need answers, I need to know why!
Is your hand shortened? Or have you not heard?
By FAITH I have asked, and am claiming your Word.
"My future and all to which I can relate
Hangs in the balance, and you tell me to WAIT?
I'm needing a 'yes,' a go-ahead sign,
Or even a 'no' to which I can resign.
"And Lord, you promised that if we believe
We need but to ask, and we shall receive.
And Lord, I've been asking, and this is my cry:
I'm weary of asking! I need a reply!"
Then quietly, softly, I learned of my fate
As my Master replied once again, "You must wait."
So, I slumped in my chair, defeated and taut
And grumbled to God, "So, I'm waiting. . ..for what?"
He seemed then to kneel and His eyes wept with mine,
And he tenderly said, "I could give you a sign.
I could shake the heavens, and darken the sun.
I could raise the dead, and cause mountains to run.
All you seek, I could give, and pleased you would be.
You would have what you want -- but, you wouldn't know ME.
"You'd not know the depth of my love for each saint;
You'd not know the power that I give to the faint;
You'd not learn to see through the clouds of despair;
You'd not learn to trust just by knowing I'm there;
You'd not know the joy of resting in me
When darkness and silence were all you could see.
"You'd never experience that fullness of love
As the peace of my Spirit descends like a dove;
You'd know that I give and I save. . .(for a start),
But you'd not know the depth of the beat of my heart.
"The glow of my comfort late into the night.
The faith that I give when you walk without sight,
The depth that's beyond getting just what you asked
Of an infinite God, who makes what you have LAST.
"You'd never know, should your pain quickly flee,
What it means that 'My grace is sufficient for thee.'
Yes, your dreams for your loved ones overnight would come true,
But, oh, the loss! if I lost what I'm doing in you!
"So, be silent, my child, and in time you will see
THAT THE GREATEST OF GIFTS IS TO GET TO KNOW ME.
And though oft may my answers seem terribly late,
My wisest of answers is still but to WAIT."
~Author Unknown~

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#1409 From: Lisa Hicks <lisahicks13@...>
Date: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:19 am
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John,

You and your wife definitely had angels around you Friday. Someday we will all get to know the "big picture" of why he spared your wife and not the college students. Even though I don't know the exact answer to that question. I can confidently say that her job here is not done and He has more for her to accomplish.

I love the way you describe the grieving process as a reshaping of ones life. I never thought of it like that but, that is exactly what it is. When we lose someone we love it changes us. We see things differently, feel things differently. But hopefully we come out the other end stronger, wiser, more compassionate and loving. Hopefully we end up liking this person better than the person we were before.

This site has helped me more than you will ever know. Even when I don't post just to read how supportive and caring everyone is here is a blessing. Thank you again. As I write this the verse I thank my God every time I remember you. I always pray with joy because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. Php 1:3-6.

God Bless you & your family,

Lisa

J Hum <jhum07@...> wrote:

Thanks Betty.

Betty does an excellent job catching this stuff. We work together to try and keep it off here, but sometimes they get past.

It's very sad that anyone would use a grief site to post anything other than its intended purpose, but that's what some insensitive people do.

It's not dissimilar to what happened last week where people use the tragedy like we saw at Va Tech to promote their agendas--related or not.

Grief is a sacred space. It's a place where loved ones in their most vulnerable place can meet God, talk with others that understand, and go through the full range of hard emotions without judgment or prejudice against their character.

What comes out of grief is a reshaping of the life of the griever as they've met and walked with God through the process. During that time, those who grieve should be learning how special they are to God, how their individual life matters significantly even though they may not feel that way because they've lost someone important to their life.

If something organic comes out of the grief, something God has showed them such as activism, being involved in a group, or whatever, it should come from God's leading and not the prodding--and certainly not spam emails--of people with their agendas.

Well, maybe that's the ideal world and not the real one we live in, but that's what it seems like it should be when considering the sacred context of grief.

I can really give thanks today. After dinner last Friday evening, my wife and I were walking near a busy road looking for a crossing to walk to the bank. We were joking and just having fun with each other and the pavement looked like a sidewalk that led to the road. Well, it wasn't sidewalk, it was road and it was on a corner where cars really go fast. My wife stepped down on the pavement thinking it was sidewalk, and I instantly hollered at her as I saw the speeding car coming around the corner. Thankfully she stepped back and not the other direction where she would have been hit for sure. She was missed by a few feet.

It's way scarier now than it was then as it happened so fast, but I'm very thankful to God I'm not planning a funeral service today for the woman I love. Thank you Lord.

And why did God spare her that night and not others that lost their lives in accidents? I don't know the question to that, but our group is here for those that have suffered loss, and we will walk with those who grieve together.

And we'll try to delete spam as quickly as we can.

May God be with you all,

John
"bchile@midwaynet.net" <bchile@midwaynet.net> wrote:

No...the purpose has NOT changed.   I didn't catch this before it went out...this message has been deleted and steps have been taken to avoid this happening again.

Betty

"Hugging is a means of getting two people so close together that they
can't see anything wrong with each other"   ....Author Unknown

------- Original Message -------
From    : Irene Davis[mailto:davismissions@sbcglobal.net]
Sent    : 4/23/2007 8:40:34 AM
To      : Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
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Subject : RE: Re: [Grief_Group] Shy lady seeks a brave man for companionship/Marilyn

Marilyn:
Has our purpose in the group changed?  I was surprised to see this.

Irene Davis&am p;nb sp; "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13

----- Original Message ----
From: what.teri <what.teri@yahoo.com>
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:43:27 AM
Subject: [Grief_Group] Shy lady seeks a brave man for companionship

Wow writting words is not the same as catching someone's eye acoss the
room and smiling, It takes far more courage to actually type the words
out and click send.

Well im lookin for a brave man, age 28 or over (once you are old enough BR>i dont set boundrys).

Check my profile and drop me a message.
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#1408 From: "DRDUNCAN" <flwrjunki@...>
Date: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:02 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Shy lady seeks a brave man for companionship/Marilyn flwrjunkie0914
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“What comes out of grief is a reshaping of the life of the griever as they've met and walked with God through the process. During that time, those who grieve should be learning how special they are to God, how their individual life matters significantly even though they may not feel that way because they've lost someone important to their life.”

Do you really think that God is going to use my loss as something good? I am beginning to feel really lost in this thing. I certainly do not feel special. It is not getting easier, better. I still have no understanding. I would do whatever God wanted me to if he would just tell me. It is getting closer to our one year anniversary and then mothers and fathers day also. How do you get through those days? I don’t think I am going to make it.

Donna

From: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of J Hum
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:10 AM
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [Grief_Group] Shy lady seeks a brave man for companionship/Marilyn

Thanks Betty.

Betty does an excellent job catching this stuff. We work together to try and keep it off here, but sometimes they get past.

It's very sad that anyone would use a grief site to post anything other than its intended purpose, but that's what some insensitive people do.

It's not dissimilar to what happened last week where people use the tragedy like we saw at Va Tech to promote their agendas--related or not.

Grief is a sacred space. It's a place where loved ones in their most vulnerable place can meet God, talk with others that understand, and go through the full range of hard emotions without judgment or prejudice against their character.

What comes out of grief is a reshaping of the life of the griever as they've met and walked with God through the process. During that time, those who grieve should be learning how special they are to God, how their individual life matters significantly even though they may not feel that way because they've lost someone important to their life.

If something organic comes out of the grief, something God has showed them such as activism, being involved in a group, or whatever, it should come from God's leading and not the prodding--and certainly not spam emails--of people with their agendas.

Well, maybe that's the ideal world and not the real one we live in, but that's what it seems like it should be when considering the sacred context of grief.

I can really give thanks today. After dinner last Friday evening, my wife and I were walking near a busy road looking for a crossing to walk to the bank. We were joking and just having fun with each other and the pavement looked like a sidewalk that led to the road. Well, it wasn't sidewalk, it was road and it was on a corner where cars really go fast. My wife stepped down on the pavement thinking it was sidewalk, and I instantly hollered at her as I saw the speeding car coming around the corner. Thankfully she stepped back and not the other direction where she would have been hit for sure. She was missed by a few feet.

It's way scarier now than it was then as it happened so fast, but I'm very thankful to God I'm not planning a funeral service today for the woman I love. Thank you Lord.

And why did God spare her that night and not others that lost their lives in accidents? I don't know the question to that, but our group is here for those that have suffered loss, and we will walk with those who grieve together.

And we'll try to delete spam as quickly as we can.

May God be with you all,

John
"bchile@midwaynet.net" <bchile@midwaynet.net> wrote:

No...the purpose has NOT changed.   I didn't catch this before it went out...this message has been deleted and steps have been taken to avoid this happening again.

Betty

"Hugging is a means of getting two people so close together that they
can't see anything wrong with each other"   ....Author Unknown

------- Original Message -------
From    : Irene Davis[mailto:davismissions@sbcglobal.net]
Sent    : 4/23/2007 8:40:34 AM
To      : Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Cc      :
Subject : RE: Re: [Grief_Group] Shy lady seeks a brave man for companionship/Marilyn

Marilyn:
Has our purpose in the group changed?  I was surprised to see this.

Irene Davis&nb sp; "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13

----- Original Message ----
From: what.teri <what.teri@yahoo.com>
To: Grief_Group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:43:27 AM
Subject: [Grief_Group] Shy lady seeks a brave man for companionship

Wow writting words is not the same as catching someone's eye acoss the
room and smiling, It takes far more courage to actually type the words
out and click send.

Well im lookin for a brave man, age 28 or over (once you are old enough BR>i dont set boundrys).

Check my profile and drop me a message.
http://chattingnew.  googlepages. com/user2. htm

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#1407 From: J Hum <jhum07@...>
Date: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:33 pm
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Thanks for taking the high road Evelyn.

I'll follow your wonderful advise on this one.

John

edandevmil@... wrote:

It's one of those times when we just have to say "Forgive them father for they know not what they do." Maybe that is why he provided us with a sense of humor so that in instances like this we can not take it so seriously. Life is too short to give things like this too much time and effort to even be angry. I need all the energy I have to just be the best person that I can be. I just say a prayer that they, whomever the are, finds something meaningful in their lives.

Evelyn

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From: J Hum <jhum07@yahoo.com>

It's very sad that anyone would use a grief site to post anything other than its intended purpose, but that's what some insensitive people do.

.

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