Hi Dennis, The reason I said that is that Seccion Mexico basically created a new structure from scratch and didn't attempt to reform Central Mexicana from...
Hi Jim; Interesting observation Jim; re-creation not reform. When I visited the Seccion Mexico GSO several people there referred to Seccion Mexico as 'back to...
Hi Jim; You wrote; "However, I tend to believe that the tipping point has been passed. In other words we've gone past the point where any sort of reform is...
Hi Ed; I don't think there would be a problem getting any of the docs. Norm is the person to contact about this as he is the administrator of these sites. But ...
I wonder also if reform is possible for AA. It appears to me that corporate AA has the mindset of a form of government. Dr. Tiebolt spoke of the ego not having...
If we were to go back to the grassroots or back to the basics we would find the ideas of the twelve steps are pride and ego deflating. We also look at greed...
I took a look at the site and joined. How involved I will be remains to be seen. I certainly will support any effort that proposes to wake AA/GSO/AAWS up from...
Dennis: Points taken. We might wind up with only 5-10 members at aarenewal.org. My observation is that there is generally more interest in these things (web...
Hi Ed; Don't get me wrong I am for anything that will address the problems in AA and I wish your group the best. It is just we have tried all the things you ...
Dennis: I feel in no way that we are taking anything away from GSO watch - whatever the role GSOwatch wishes to play. I've been a participant on GSOwatch for...
Hi Ed; Sounds good but I thought that is what this site is for. That is the whole basis of the minority opinion. It is the majority opinion that AA is fine the...
All: (I'm involved in this effort which I thought might be of interest to a few here.) We are announcing a new site some AAmembers have created to collaborate ...
"Actually I meant it to be a little tongue and cheek." Well Dennis, as I extract my foot from my mouth and wipe the egg from my face I have to laugh because...
Actually I also get upset at times but I try to keep God in it. I have seen a lot of people die behind a diluted message and also not being directed to the...
Sorry Tim. Actually I meant it to be a little tongue and cheek. I usually spend more time digesting the emails but I got far behind in just a few days. Peace, ...
Yes to your 1st question. There is AA and there is non-AA. A lot like other things. No, I have no tolerance for those willing to harm (or kill ) the newcomer...
Bill, Your use of the term "real AA" is sort of a kin to political people calling themselves real Americans. Don't ya think? And judging from what I believe...
"What are you talking about? " Actually Dennis, this one has nothing to do with you at all. This has to do with another issue goiing on this message board. I...
Hi Tim; ... What are you talking about? Most people here especially I am totally aware that people see things different that I do. You think that may be why I ...
The way you distort what is said is incredible. What a delusional world some live in! Once again, I wish I was as knowledgeable as some THINK they are....
" Just once admit to something and let it go at that." I think that can work both ways dude. From what I see you just like to argue. Bill isn't saying that he...
"I carry a list of phone numbers of members of their fellowship I trust and they have helped me more times than I can count by doing THEIR job when I called....
Is Arbutus still with us? The last time I saw her it was 2002, I think. It may have been before then. As I said, I had the opportunity to sit and visit with...
Hi Folks; I was 12 Stepped into Alanon when I had about 4 years sober because I was in a relationship with a gal that was a practicing alcoholic. The purpose...
Jim I had the great good fortune to know Don P. and David A.. David from 1969, then we realized we'd first met while in the USMC, before AA for either of us...
Hi Bill, I never met David A., but my grand-sponsor, Don P., always had nothing but good things to say about him & Gracie. Have you ever met Arbutus O: N.? She...
Thanks Jim...selfish alcoholic SOB is a great description. These folks obviously don't trust the power of our own program. My late Grand Sponsor David A. had...