----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:34 PM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] JFT

Gary this is an excellent idea. I don�t know how much work is involved but perhaps a page on AAMO-Info that briefly explains the situation and includes a form letter that a member can add his or her name to and click to send it off to all the addresses. The form letter could be edited by the member to add or subtract something or just send it the way it is or their can be a box to write their own letter. Then all we have to do is send the link to our friends. I have seen this on other sites. Name, city, sobriety date could also be an option. Perhaps Norm can give his knowledge about this idea.

 

Peace,

 

Dennis M.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Becktell

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:51 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT

Dear Sir or Madam,

    I was just informed that AAWS has tried to shut down the Just For Today e-mail postings that send a daily snippet from AA literature to thousands of AA members around the country. How sad! These people are doing a wonderful service to our fellowship and have helped thousands of alcoholics. They give full credit to AAWS copyrights and a full disclosure of non-affiliation. I do not believe there is any treat to AAWS property, while there is an AAWS threat to those that carry the AA message for free and for fun.

    I am a member of AA. My understanding is that our primary purpose is to carry the AA message, not to hold power or protect our property rights. Please send this mail on to whoever might need to see it. I would like a response from someone who can tell me how this activity can be justified in light of our spiritual principles. Also, please understand that I am well versed in these subjects (copyright protection) and need a real explanation, not the ones that have been used and disproved regarding other attempts to threaten and sue AA members for carrying the message as we are encouraged in 'Alcoholics Anonymous'.

    One more time, AAWS has stepped over the line and is using our contributions to disrupt the carrying of the AA message. One more time, AAWS is acting like a 'for profit' corporation that Tradition Seven says should be separately incorporated, set well outside of AA, and should not use the AA name. They also suggest that we may want to 'freely discard' such 'secondary aids'.

    This mail is sent without the knowledge of the folks at JFT and was not requested by them.

                                                                            Gary B

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Like any other commercial interprise, if the consumers of the
products have a beef they are welcome to voice their complaint and
cut off financial support.

So what if AAWS exists outside of an AA group!  So does JFT that is
providing services to AA members.  AAWS has interferred with the
services that JFT has freely provided to AA members.  That's
something to bitch about AT the outside enterprise if we, as
individuals are inclined.  We can also bitch at our local service
providers (Intergroups, Areas) and let them know we don't like the
actions of AAWS and we want them (Intergroups and Areas) to stop
obtaining services from AAWS until AAWS starts to comply with their
own principles outlined in the Traditions and AA Service Manual.

You can find many contacts info at http://my.aainfo.org.

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: johng12fellow
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 17:46
Subject: [GSOwatch] Common Sense


AAWS Inc. exists outside of an AA group.... it is an outside entity.
Considering that it uses the AA name as part of its own: then you
will
be endorsing and supporting their claims by writing to them as AA
groups or members.

AAWS Inc. is not us. It is not AA. Accept it. Deal with it.

The solution - get a copying machine..... cut off all support.

JG

AAWS Inc. exists outside of an AA group.... it is an outside entity.
Considering that it uses the AA name as part of its own: then you will
be endorsing and supporting their claims by writing to them as AA
groups or members.

AAWS Inc. is not us. It is not AA. Accept it. Deal with it.

The solution - get a copying machine..... cut off all support.

JG

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 17:34

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] JFT

Gary this is an excellent idea. I don�t know how much work is involved but perhaps a page on AAMO-Info that briefly explains the situation and includes a form letter that a member can add his or her name to and click to send it off to all the addresses. The form letter could be edited by the member to add or subtract something or just send it the way it is or their can be a box to write their own letter. Then all we have to do is send the link to our friends. I have seen this on other sites. Name, city, sobriety date could also be an option. Perhaps Norm can give his knowledge about this idea.

 

Peace,

 

Dennis M.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Becktell

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:51 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT

Dear Sir or Madam,

    I was just informed that AAWS has tried to shut down the Just For Today e-mail postings that send a daily snippet from AA literature to thousands of AA members around the country. How sad! These people are doing a wonderful service to our fellowship and have helped thousands of alcoholics. They give full credit to AAWS copyrights and a full disclosure of non-affiliation. I do not believe there is any treat to AAWS property, while there is an AAWS threat to those that carry the AA message for free and for fun.

    I am a member of AA. My understanding is that our primary purpose is to carry the AA message, not to hold power or protect our property rights. Please send this mail on to whoever might need to see it. I would like a response from someone who can tell me how this activity can be justified in light of our spiritual principles. Also, please understand that I am well versed in these subjects (copyright protection) and need a real explanation, not the ones that have been used and disproved regarding other attempts to threaten and sue AA members for carrying the message as we are encouraged in 'Alcoholics Anonymous'.

    One more time, AAWS has stepped over the line and is using our contributions to disrupt the carrying of the AA message. One more time, AAWS is acting like a 'for profit' corporation that Tradition Seven says should be separately incorporated, set well outside of AA, and should not use the AA name. They also suggest that we may want to 'freely discard' such 'secondary aids'.

    This mail is sent without the knowledge of the folks at JFT and was not requested by them.

                                                                            Gary B

----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Becktell

To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:51 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT

Dear Sir or Madam,

    I was just informed that AAWS has tried to shut down the Just For Today e-mail postings that send a daily snippet from AA literature to thousands of AA members around the country. How sad! These people are doing a wonderful service to our fellowship and have helped thousands of alcoholics. They give full credit to AAWS copyrights and a full disclosure of non-affiliation. I do not believe there is any treat to AAWS property, while there is an AAWS threat to those that carry the AA message for free and for fun.

    I am a member of AA. My understanding is that our primary purpose is to carry the AA message, not to hold power or protect our property rights. Please send this mail on to whoever might need to see it. I would like a response from someone who can tell me how this activity can be justified in light of our spiritual principles. Also, please understand that I am well versed in these subjects (copyright protection) and need a real explanation, not the ones that have been used and disproved regarding other attempts to threaten and sue AA members for carrying the message as we are encouraged in 'Alcoholics Anonymous'.

    One more time, AAWS has stepped over the line and is using our contributions to disrupt the carrying of the AA message. One more time, AAWS is acting like a 'for profit' corporation that Tradition Seven says should be separately incorporated, set well outside of AA, and should not use the AA name. They also suggest that we may want to 'freely discard' such 'secondary aids'.

    This mail is sent without the knowledge of the folks at JFT and was not requested by them.

                                                                            Gary B

----- Original Message -----

From: Kohl

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:24 PM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] JFT complaint - Contact info at AAWS

http://www.aa.org/lang/en/press.cfm?PressID=4&thisyear=2005-01-01#leon

You might try to contact Leo (Albertan Leonard M. Blumenthal, LL.D,
a Class A) for the next few weeks also. I don't have his email
address but you can use the snail mail address below for General
Manager.

My information is that he is exceptionally unapproachable (as
Chairman of the GSBAA, that is "boss" of everything).

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Kohl
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 14:10
Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT complaint - Contact info at AAWS

Contacts from the web site:
http://aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=129
http://aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=130
(notice there is no "manager" or "legal department".... that's
provided by us below)

Old contact info from this newsgroup:
From http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSOwatch/message/4121:

gmgso@...
General Manager (Greg Muth until end of December if info is correct)
A.A. World Services, Inc.,
P.O. Box 459,
New York, NY 10163
(212) 870-3400.

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Becktell
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 08:52
Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT

Here is a list of GSO addresses.

literature@aa.org <literature@aa.org>; archives@aa.org
<archives@aa.org>; groupservices@aa.org <groupservices@aa.org>;
cpc@... <cpc@...>; conference@aa.org <conference@aa.org>;
corrections@aa.org <corrections@aa.org>; lim@... <lim@...>;
publicinfo@aa.org <publicinfo@aa.org>; regionalforums@aa.org
<regionalforums@aa.org>; specialneeds@aa.org <specialneeds@aa.org>;
tf@... tf@...

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dave smith
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:14 PM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Wow My HP is good to me

Hi GSO Watchers and AAWS Reps !!!!   Well this little insignificant chappy (me me me ) has been summond forth to meet with the Gen Sec of the GSO and a couple of other degelates --no I said delelgates ---at what has been aptly descibed to me recently as non other than a paper shuffling /printing office called GSO here in York UK..   Wow my HP is good to me --Iam armed to the teeth with information from this site --so keep the ball rolling guys ,its going to be a fun day in York very soon..   What I will or will not achieve in real terms I do not know--but at least I (we) will have the satisfaction of moving forward and keeping GSO York on thier toes..   Iam wanting to find out what "Alcoholics Anonymous GB Literature LTD" is and its relationship with AA here in the UK..   (As if I cant guess already)   Best Wishes   Dave S   Heck I can take our complaint re JFT direct to the stable door !!!!!! --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Kohl <kohl@...> wrote: From: Kohl <kohl@...> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Re: Fw: Just For Today! – How To Live To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:51 PM Hello Mark: You should be angry. What I'm going to tell you will piss you off even more because you've likely been mislead regarding the information I'll be giving you. AAWS is a publishing company that uses the AA name, Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. It is wholey owned by GSBAA, the General Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous, another company that uses the AA name. That is the short answer to your questions. There is a book, the AA Service Manual, http://aa.org/ en_pdfs/en_ bm-31_07- 08.pdf, that describes the relationship between the AA fellowship (you and me, I presume) and the NY corporations (GSBAA, AAWS, The Grapevine) that presumes to represent us. That book has complicated descriptions of GSRs, DCMs, DCMCs, Area Officers, General Service Conference (GSC) Delegates, General Service Board (GSB) Trustees, conferences, committees, ad nausea. It all boils down to a couple things that may relate to you, me, and, or, our AA groups. Your "Area Delegate" goes to a General Service Conference, a GSB sponsored event, every April, (new delegate every two years). The delegates listen primarily to a bunch of GSB or AAWS generated nonsense then they practice a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that would make the US congress proud. In the end they vote on the nonsense and give advice or recommendations to the GSB (if they do anything at all). The GSB is in no way legally obliged to take the advice or recommendations from your delegates at the GSC! If you or I don't like it (or our group hates it) that they (GSB et al) don't listen and act appropriately on our delegate's input, we are supposed to put pressure on them to change their money grubbing ways by stopping out financial contributions to them. Nevermind that they are primarily supported by sales of literature, much of it outside of the AA fellowship. Finally the ultimate thing we can do is what is we are doing here. And what we do at http://aamo. info/#opp. Essentially that is "that we shall need to inform the general public also; especially upon misuses of the name Alcoholics Anonymous." I forgot to mention that the publishing company, AAWS Inc, has a public relations office called the General Service Office that presumes it is the warehouse of accumulated wisdom of AA information. If you bitch about what AAWS is doing to JFT you'll probably get your nonsense reply from some GSO employee. There's a nice picture on page 84 of http://aa.org/ en_pdfs/en_ bm-31_07- 08.pdf of the AAWS functional structure. GSO is that part under "Support Services Manager". I don't see the 'legal department' but I do know they usually use Cindy Weber (http://www.sughrue. com/attorneys/ detail.aspx? id=60d11a1c- 4bbd-4132- b2f0-865be443fce 5 , an outside agency/lawfirm) to threaten websites for carrying the AA message. I don't know if they used her in this particular case, maybe someone at JFT will pass that along to me. Hope this helps some with what you're feeling. Bless, Norm More info on our friend Cindy: http://www.prnewswi re.com/cgi- bin/stories. pl?ACCT=104& STORY=/www/ story/05- 07-2008/00048084 51&EDATE= (cut and paste from http including = if clicking the link doesn't work) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Henderson To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:01 Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Fw: Just For Today! – How To Live I am angry about this as well. Is AAWS a service center/board? Who are they accountable to? mark --- In GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com, Greg <Greg@...> wrote: > > I wonder if AAWS believes that JTF is an NA site or entity, thus falling under its non AA entity or individual clause when it comes to reprints? Who the hell knows > > Greg > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Greg <Greg@...> wrote: > From: Greg <Greg@...> > Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! �" How To Live > To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > This is the re-print policy from AA headquarters website. Is the internet different when it comes to reprints? > Another sad day in AA. > Greg > Reprint Policy > Our reprint policy, however, is different from our licensing policy. As stated in The A.A. Service Manual: > “Local A.A. publications are permitted to quote a phrase, > sentence or > brief paragraph excerpted from A.A. literature such as The Big > Book, > Alcoholics Anonymous, the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, The A.A. Service Manual > and Conference-approved pamphlets without a prior, written request > to > do so…, (accompanied by a credit line (that) should read: Reprinted from (name of publication, page number), with permission of A.A. World Services, Inc.)� > Non-A.A. individuals and entities may not reprint A.A. copyrighted > materials without prior approval granted pursuant to a written > request. > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net> wrote: > From: Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net> > Subject: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! �" How To Live > To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > � � � Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits > and disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright laws, AAWS > rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to disrupt > a 12th Step > process. AAWS has really gone awry. > � � � I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS > through their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find for AAWS, so I > have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could find @� > GSO. These > addies are for the various service desks and double for each > region. I will Bcc > my mail to them to this list.� > � � � Also, please send this info to all your friends that may > want to participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a few thousand > e-mails in their Inboxes. > � > � � � � � � � � � � � � > � � � � � � � � � � � � > � � � � � � � � � � � � > � � � � � � � � � � � � > � � � � � � � � � � � � > � � � � � � � � � G > � > � > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Just For Today! > > To: JFT! > Subscriber > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM > Subject: Just For Today! �" How To Live > > From: "Stars > Don’t Fall" > AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on > the > twenty-four hour plan, it > taught me how to live. I > know I do > not have to be “queen of them all� to > salve a frightened ego. Through going to > meetings > and listening, and > occasionally speaking, through > doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping > others > you are both the teacher and > the student, by making > many > wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the > things in life that are worth having. I am no > longer > interested in living in a > palace, because palace living > was > not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible > dreams I used to have the things I really > wanted. > ©� 2003, AAWS, Inc., > Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363 > > Alcoholics > Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered trademarks > of > Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Just For Today is neither > endorsed > by, > approved by, associated, nor affiliated with > Alcoholics Anonymous World > Services, Inc., or The AA > Grapevine, Inc. > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******** > > To Subscribe:� send an > e-mail to: bob@just42day. org > > � � � � � � � � � � � � � � > with the command� " join JFT " in the 'Subject:' line > > � � � � � � � � � � � � � � > of the message (the subject line, not the main body) > > To Unsubscribe: send an e-mail > to: bob@just42day. org > > � � � � � � � � � � � � � > with the command " quit JFT " in the 'Subject:' line > "Just For Today!" Web Site:� > http://www.aahistor y.com/jft. html > > (Sharing AA recovery messages > Monday through Friday of each week) > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ******** > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 8.0.200 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 11/27/2008 > > � > � > > > > > > > Powered by Mach5 > Mailer. > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - > http://www.avg. com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1817 - > Release Date: 11/28/2008 8:17 AM >

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http://www.aa.org/lang/en/press.cfm?PressID=4&thisyear=2005-01-01#leon

You might try to contact Leo (Albertan Leonard M. Blumenthal, LL.D,
a Class A) for the next few weeks also.  I don't have his email
address but you can use the snail mail address below for General
Manager.

My information is that he is exceptionally unapproachable (as
Chairman of the GSBAA, that is "boss" of everything).

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Kohl
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 14:10
Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT complaint - Contact info at AAWS


Contacts from the web site:
http://aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=129
http://aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=130
(notice there is no "manager" or "legal department".... that's
provided by us below)

Old contact info from this newsgroup:
From http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSOwatch/message/4121:

gmgso@...
General Manager (Greg Muth until end of December if info is correct)
A.A. World Services, Inc.,
P.O. Box 459,
New York, NY 10163
(212) 870-3400.

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Becktell
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 08:52
Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT

Here is a list of GSO addresses.

literature@... <literature@...>; archives@...
<archives@...>; groupservices@... <groupservices@...>;
cpc@... <cpc@...>; conference@... <conference@...>;
corrections@... <corrections@...>; lim@... <lim@...>;
publicinfo@... <publicinfo@...>; regionalforums@...
<regionalforums@...>; specialneeds@... <specialneeds@...>;
tf@... tf@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Mark Henderson

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:01 PM

Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Fw: Just For Today! – How To Live

I am angry about this as well. Is AAWS a service center/board?
Who are they accountable to?

mark

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, Greg <Greg@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder if AAWS believes that JTF is an NA site or entity, thus
falling under its non AA entity or individual clause when it comes to
reprints? Who the hell knows
>
> Greg
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Greg <Greg@...> wrote:
> From: Greg <Greg@...>
> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! �" How To Live
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:50 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> This is the re-print policy from AA headquarters website. Is the
internet different when it comes to reprints?
> Another sad day in AA.
> Greg
> Reprint Policy
> Our reprint policy, however, is different from our licensing
policy. As stated in The A.A. Service Manual:
> “Local A.A. publications are permitted to quote a phrase, sentence or
> brief paragraph excerpted from A.A. literature such as The Big Book,
> Alcoholics Anonymous, the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, The
A.A. Service Manual
> and Conference-approved pamphlets without a prior, written request to
> do so…, (accompanied by a credit line (that) should read:
Reprinted from (name of publication, page number), with permission of
A.A. World Services, Inc.)”
> Non-A.A. individuals and entities may not reprint A.A. copyrighted
> materials without prior approval granted pursuant to a written request.
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net> wrote:
> From: Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net>
> Subject: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! �" How To Live
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> � � �  Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits
> and disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright
laws, AAWS
> rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to disrupt a
12th Step
> process. AAWS has really gone awry.
> � � �  I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS
> through their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find
for AAWS, so I
> have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could find @� GSO.
These
> addies are for the various service desks and double for each region.
I will Bcc
> my mail to them to this list.� 
> � � �  Also, please send this info to all your friends that may
> want to participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a
few thousand
> e-mails in their Inboxes.
> � 
> � � �  � � �  � � �  � � � 
> � � �  � � �  � � �  � � � 
> � � �  � � �  � � �  � � � 
> � � �  � � �  � � �  � � � 
> � � �  � � �  � � �  � � � 
> � � �  � � �  � � �  G
> � 
> � 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Just For Today!
>
> To: JFT!
> Subscriber
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM
> Subject: Just For Today! �" How To Live
>
> From: "Stars
> Don’t Fall"
> AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on
> the
> twenty-four hour plan, it
> taught me how to live. I
> know I do
> not have to be “queen of them all” to
> salve a frightened ego. Through going to
> meetings
> and listening, and
> occasionally speaking, through
> doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping
> others
> you are both the teacher and
> the student, by making
> many
> wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the
> things in life that are worth having. I am no
> longer
> interested in living in a
> palace, because palace living
> was
> not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
> dreams I used to have the things I really
> wanted.
> ©�  2003, AAWS, Inc.,
> Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363
>
> Alcoholics
> Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered trademarks
> of
> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Just For Today is neither endorsed
> by,
> approved by, associated, nor affiliated with
> Alcoholics Anonymous World
> Services, Inc., or The AA
> Grapevine, Inc.
> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********
>
> To Subscribe:�  send an
> e-mail to: bob@just42day. org
>
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 
> with the command�  " join JFT " in the 'Subject:' line
>
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 
> of the message (the subject line, not the main body)
>
> To Unsubscribe: send an e-mail
> to: bob@just42day. org
>
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � 
> with the command " quit JFT " in the 'Subject:' line
> "Just For Today!" Web Site:� 
> http://www.aahistor y.com/jft. html
>
> (Sharing AA recovery messages
> Monday through Friday of each week)
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I'm shocked! ;-)

                             G




----- Original Message -----
From: "Kohl" <kohl@...>
To: <GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! � How To Live


> Just for amusement Gary,
>    The particular passage you offer from JFT isn't copyrighted
> despite the claim that it is.  It clearly says it is from ES&H which
> is reprints of 1st and 2nd edition Big Book stories which are both
> in the public domain due to neglect by AAWS in renewing the
> copyrights.
>    Stars Don�t Fall - Countess Felicia Gizycka, New York City. (p.
> 401 in 2nd edition, p. 400 in 3rd edition.)
>    The Independent Blonde - Nancy F., New York City (p. 532 in 2nd
> edition.) "She was impressed on coming to A.A. to meet a countess
> (Felicia Gizycka, �Stars Don�t Fall.�)"
>    Someone check that I'm not mistaken, my 1st & 2nd editions have
> been "lifted" by folks who thought they needed them more than I do.
> Also Jim at silkworth.net has a different story for Felicia from the
> Grapevine:
> http://www.silkworth.net/grapevine/FeliciaG_onlydifference.html.
>
> Bless,
> Norm
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Becktell
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 08:27
> Subject: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! � How To Live
>
>
>    Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits and
> disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright laws,
> AAWS rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to
> disrupt a 12th Step process. AAWS has really gone awry.
>    I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS through
> their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find for AAWS,
> so I have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could find @
> GSO. These addies are for the various service desks and double for
> each region. I will Bcc my mail to them to this list.
>    Also, please send this info to all your friends that may want to
> participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a few
> thousand e-mails in their Inboxes.
>
>
>                        G
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Just For Today!
> To: JFT! Subscriber
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM
> Subject: Just For Today! � How To Live
>
>
> From: "Stars Don�t Fall"
> AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on the
> twenty-four hour plan, it taught me how to live. I
> know I do not have to be �queen of them all� to
> salve a frightened ego. Through going to meetings
> and listening, and occasionally speaking, through
> doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping others
> you are both the teacher and the student, by making
> many wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the
> things in life that are worth having. I am no longer
> interested in living in a palace, because palace living
> was not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
> dreams I used to have the things I really wanted.
> �  2003, AAWS, Inc., Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363
> Alcoholics Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered trademarks
> of
> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Just For Today is neither
> endorsed by,
> approved by, associated, nor affiliated with Alcoholics Anonymous
> World
> Services, Inc., or The AA Grapevine, Inc.
> ********************************************************
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Contacts from the web site:
http://aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=129
http://aa.org/lang/en/subpage.cfm?page=130
(notice there is no "manager" or "legal department".... that's
provided by us below)

Old contact info from this newsgroup:
From http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSOwatch/message/4121:

gmgso@...
General Manager (Greg Muth until end of December if info is correct)
A.A. World Services, Inc.,
P.O. Box 459,
New York, NY 10163
(212) 870-3400.

Bless,
Norm


----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Becktell
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 08:52
Subject: [GSOwatch] JFT


     Here is a list of GSO addresses.

literature@... <literature@...>; archives@...
<archives@...>; groupservices@... <groupservices@...>;
cpc@... <cpc@...>; conference@... <conference@...>;
corrections@... <corrections@...>; lim@... <lim@...>;
publicinfo@... <publicinfo@...>; regionalforums@...
<regionalforums@...>; specialneeds@... <specialneeds@...>;
tf@... tf@...

Hello Mark:
     You should be angry.  What I'm going to tell you will piss you
off even more because you've likely been mislead regarding the
information I'll be giving you.
     AAWS is a publishing company that uses the AA name, Alcoholics
Anonymous World Services.  It is wholey owned by GSBAA, the General
Service Board of Alcoholics Anonymous, another company that uses the
AA name.
     That is the short answer to your questions.
     There is a book, the AA Service Manual,
http://aa.org/en_pdfs/en_bm-31_07-08.pdf, that describes the
relationship between the AA fellowship (you and me, I presume) and
the NY corporations (GSBAA, AAWS, The Grapevine) that presumes to
represent us.
     That book has complicated descriptions of GSRs, DCMs, DCMCs,
Area Officers, General Service Conference (GSC) Delegates, General
Service Board (GSB) Trustees, conferences, committees, ad nausea.
It all boils down to a couple things that may relate to you, me,
and, or, our AA groups.
     Your "Area Delegate" goes to a General Service Conference, a GSB
sponsored event,  every April, (new delegate every two years).  The
delegates listen primarily to a bunch of GSB or AAWS generated
nonsense then they practice a bunch of mumbo-jumbo that would make
the US congress proud.  In the end they vote on the nonsense and
give advice or recommendations to the GSB (if they do anything at
all).
     The GSB is in no way legally obliged to take the advice or
recommendations from your delegates at the GSC!
     If you or I don't like it (or our group hates it) that they (GSB
et al) don't listen and act appropriately on our delegate's input,
we are supposed to put pressure on them to change their money
grubbing ways by stopping out financial contributions to them.
Nevermind that they are primarily supported by sales of literature,
much of it outside of the AA fellowship.
     Finally the ultimate thing we can do is what is we are doing
here.  And what we do at http://aamo.info/#opp.  Essentially that is
"that we shall need to inform the general public also; especially
upon misuses of the name Alcoholics Anonymous."
     I forgot to mention that the publishing company, AAWS Inc, has a
public relations office called the General Service Office that
presumes it is the warehouse of accumulated wisdom of AA
information. If you bitch about what AAWS is doing to JFT you'll
probably get your nonsense reply from some GSO employee.
     There's a nice picture on page 84 of
http://aa.org/en_pdfs/en_bm-31_07-08.pdf of the AAWS functional
structure.  GSO is that part under "Support Services Manager".  I
don't see the 'legal department' but I do know they usually use
Cindy Weber
(http://www.sughrue.com/attorneys/detail.aspx?id=60d11a1c-4bbd-4132-b2f0-865be44\
3fce5
, an outside agency/lawfirm) to threaten websites for carrying the
AA message.  I don't know if they used her in this particular case,
maybe someone at JFT will pass that along to me.
     Hope this helps some with what you're feeling.

Bless,
Norm

More info on our friend Cindy:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-07-200\
8/0004808451&EDATE=
(cut and paste from http including = if clicking the link doesn't
work)



----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Henderson
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:01
Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Fw: Just For Today! – How To Live



I am angry about this as well. Is AAWS a service center/board?
Who are they accountable to?

mark

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, Greg <Greg@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder if AAWS believes that JTF is an NA site or entity, thus
falling under its non AA entity or individual clause when it comes
to
reprints? Who the hell knows
>
> Greg
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Greg <Greg@...> wrote:
> From: Greg <Greg@...>
> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! â€" How To Live
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:50 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,
>
> This is the re-print policy from AA headquarters website. Is the
internet different when it comes to reprints?
> Another sad day in AA.
> Greg
> Reprint Policy
> Our reprint policy, however, is different from our licensing
policy. As stated in The A.A. Service Manual:
> “Local A.A. publications are permitted to quote a phrase,
> sentence or
> brief paragraph excerpted from A.A. literature such as The Big
> Book,
> Alcoholics Anonymous, the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, The
A.A. Service Manual
> and Conference-approved pamphlets without a prior, written request
> to
> do so…, (accompanied by a credit line (that) should read:
Reprinted from (name of publication, page number), with permission
of
A.A. World Services, Inc.)”
> Non-A.A. individuals and entities may not reprint A.A. copyrighted
> materials without prior approval granted pursuant to a written
> request.
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net> wrote:
> From: Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net>
> Subject: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! â€" How To Live
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Â Â Â  Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits
> and disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright
laws, AAWS
> rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to disrupt
> a
12th Step
> process. AAWS has really gone awry.
> Â Â Â  I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS
> through their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find
for AAWS, so I
> have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could find @Â
> GSO.
These
> addies are for the various service desks and double for each
> region.
I will Bcc
> my mail to them to this list.Â
> Â Â Â  Also, please send this info to all your friends that may
> want to participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a
few thousand
> e-mails in their Inboxes.
> Â
> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â
> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â
> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â
> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â
> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â
> Â Â Â  Â Â Â  Â Â Â  G
> Â
> Â
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Just For Today!
>
> To: JFT!
> Subscriber
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM
> Subject: Just For Today! â€" How To Live
>
> From: "Stars
> Don’t Fall"
> AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on
> the
> twenty-four hour plan, it
> taught me how to live. I
> know I do
> not have to be “queen of them all” to
> salve a frightened ego. Through going to
> meetings
> and listening, and
> occasionally speaking, through
> doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping
> others
> you are both the teacher and
> the student, by making
> many
> wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the
> things in life that are worth having. I am no
> longer
> interested in living in a
> palace, because palace living
> was
> not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
> dreams I used to have the things I really
> wanted.
> ©  2003, AAWS, Inc.,
> Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363
>
> Alcoholics
> Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered trademarks
> of
> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Just For Today is neither
> endorsed
> by,
> approved by, associated, nor affiliated with
> Alcoholics Anonymous World
> Services, Inc., or The AA
> Grapevine, Inc.
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Just for amusement Gary,
     The particular passage you offer from JFT isn't copyrighted
despite the claim that it is.  It clearly says it is from ES&H which
is reprints of 1st and 2nd edition Big Book stories which are both
in the public domain due to neglect by AAWS in renewing the
copyrights.
     Stars Don�t Fall - Countess Felicia Gizycka, New York City. (p.
401 in 2nd edition, p. 400 in 3rd edition.)
     The Independent Blonde - Nancy F., New York City (p. 532 in 2nd
edition.) "She was impressed on coming to A.A. to meet a countess
(Felicia Gizycka, �Stars Don�t Fall.�)"
     Someone check that I'm not mistaken, my 1st & 2nd editions have
been "lifted" by folks who thought they needed them more than I do.
Also Jim at silkworth.net has a different story for Felicia from the
Grapevine:
http://www.silkworth.net/grapevine/FeliciaG_onlydifference.html.

Bless,
Norm




----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Becktell
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 08:27
Subject: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! � How To Live


     Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits and
disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright laws,
AAWS rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to
disrupt a 12th Step process. AAWS has really gone awry.
     I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS through
their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find for AAWS,
so I have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could find @
GSO. These addies are for the various service desks and double for
each region. I will Bcc my mail to them to this list.
     Also, please send this info to all your friends that may want to
participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a few
thousand e-mails in their Inboxes.


                         G


----- Original Message -----
From: Just For Today!
To: JFT! Subscriber
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM
Subject: Just For Today! � How To Live


From: "Stars Don�t Fall"
AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on the
twenty-four hour plan, it taught me how to live. I
know I do not have to be �queen of them all� to
salve a frightened ego. Through going to meetings
and listening, and occasionally speaking, through
doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping others
you are both the teacher and the student, by making
many wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the
things in life that are worth having. I am no longer
interested in living in a palace, because palace living
was not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
dreams I used to have the things I really wanted.
�  2003, AAWS, Inc., Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363
Alcoholics Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered trademarks
of
Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Just For Today is neither
endorsed by,
approved by, associated, nor affiliated with Alcoholics Anonymous
World
Services, Inc., or The AA Grapevine, Inc.
********************************************************
To Subscribe:  send an e-mail to: bob@...
                with the command  " join JFT " in the 'Subject:' line
                of the message (the subject line, not the main body)
To Unsubscribe: send an e-mail to: bob@...
               with the command " quit JFT " in the 'Subject:' line
"Just For Today!" Web Site:  http://www.aahistory.com/jft.html
(Sharing AA recovery messages Monday through Friday of each week)
********************************************************

I am angry about this as well.  Is AAWS a service center/board?
Who are they accountable to?

mark

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, Greg <Greg@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder if AAWS believes that JTF is an NA site or entity, thus
falling under its non AA entity or individual clause when it comes to
reprints? Who the hell knows
>
> Greg
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Greg <Greg@...> wrote:
> From: Greg <Greg@...>
> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! �" How To Live
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:50 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>             Hi Group,
>
> This is the re-print policy from AA headquarters website. Is the
internet different when it comes to reprints?
> Another sad day in AA.
> Greg
> Reprint Policy
>  Our reprint policy, however, is different from our licensing
policy. As stated in The A.A. Service Manual:
> “Local A.A. publications are permitted to quote a phrase, sentence or
> brief paragraph excerpted from A.A. literature such as The Big Book,
> Alcoholics Anonymous, the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, The
A.A. Service Manual
> and Conference-approved pamphlets without a prior, written request to
> do so…, (accompanied by a credit line (that) should read:
Reprinted from (name of publication, page number), with permission of
A.A. World Services, Inc.)”
> Non-A.A. individuals and entities may not reprint A.A. copyrighted
> materials without prior approval granted pursuant to a written request.
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net> wrote:
> From: Gary Becktell <gk@kitcarson. net>
> Subject: [GSOwatch] Fw: Just For Today! �" How To Live
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits
> and disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright
laws, AAWS
> rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to disrupt a
12th Step
> process. AAWS has really gone awry.
>     I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS
> through their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find
for AAWS, so I
> have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could find @ GSO.
These
> addies are for the various service desks and double for each region.
I will Bcc
> my mail to them to this list. 
>     Also, please send this info to all your friends that may
> want to participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a
few thousand
> e-mails in their Inboxes.
>  
>                
>                
>                
>                
>                
>             G
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Just For Today!
>
> To: JFT!
> Subscriber
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM
> Subject: Just For Today! �" How To Live
>
> From: "Stars
> Don’t Fall"
> AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on
> the
> twenty-four hour plan, it
> taught me how to live. I
> know I do
> not have to be “queen of them all” to
> salve a frightened ego. Through going to
> meetings
> and listening, and
> occasionally speaking, through
> doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping
> others
> you are both the teacher and
> the student, by making
> many
> wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the
> things in life that are worth having. I am no
> longer
> interested in living in a
> palace, because palace living
> was
> not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
> dreams I used to have the things I really
> wanted.
> ©  2003, AAWS, Inc.,
> Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363
>
> Alcoholics
> Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered trademarks
> of
> Alcoholics Anonymous World Services. Just For Today is neither endorsed
> by,
> approved by, associated, nor affiliated with
> Alcoholics Anonymous World
> Services, Inc., or The AA
> Grapevine, Inc.
> ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********
>
> To Subscribe:  send an
> e-mail to: bob@just42day. org
>
>               
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>
>               
> of the message (the subject line, not the main body)
>
> To Unsubscribe: send an e-mail
> to: bob@just42day. org
>
>              
> with the command " quit JFT " in the 'Subject:' line
> "Just For Today!" Web Site: 
> http://www.aahistor y.com/jft. html
>
> (Sharing AA recovery messages
> Monday through Friday of each week)
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> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
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I have been gettiing those type of enails for JFT  for the last 2
years or so...and for the life of me  i cant see what damage JFT was
doing in sending these out...but im glad to here they will be still
sending emails out and werent silenced completly...but still..i think
it sucks that AAWS would go after them...

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Becktell" <gk@...> wrote:
>
> Signature    Below is a typical example of a JFT post. The credits
and disclosure at the bottom clearly are allowable under copyright
laws, AAWS rights are clearly protected. This is simply an attempt to
disrupt a 12th Step process. AAWS has really gone awry.
>     I would like to encourage all on this list to write AAWS
through their GSO. There is no address (e-mail) that I could find for
AAWS, so I have made a list of all the e-mail addies that I could
find @ GSO. These addies are for the various service desks and double
for each region. I will Bcc my mail to them to this list.
>     Also, please send this info to all your friends that may want
to participate. Maybe they could come to work tomorrow with a few
thousand e-mails in their Inboxes.
>
>
                         G
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Just For Today!
> To: JFT! Subscriber
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:06 PM
> Subject: Just For Today! � How To Live
>
>
> From: "Stars Don't Fall"
> AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on the
> twenty-four hour plan, it taught me how to live. I
> know I do not have to be "queen of them all" to
> salve a frightened ego. Through going to meetings
> and listening, and occasionally speaking, through
> doing Twelve Step work, whereby in helping others
> you are both the teacher and the student, by making
> many wonderful AA friends, I have been taught all the
> things in life that are worth having. I am no longer
> interested in living in a palace, because palace living
> was not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
> dreams I used to have the things I really wanted.
>
> �  2003, AAWS, Inc., Experience, Strength & Hope, pages 362-363
> Alcoholics Anonymous, AA, and the Big Book are registered
trademarks of
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AA taught me how not to drink. And also, on the
twenty-four hour plan, it taught me how to live. I
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interested in living in a palace, because palace living
was not the answer for me. Nor were those impossible
dreams I used to have the things I really wanted.

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-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:01 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] AAWS in the news

It really seems that way Norm. I am at a loss to think of a reason. The only benefit I can think of with attacking those that seem to carry the message for love and for free is to make our recovery program into just a treatment support system. The obvious benefit that someone who utilizes basic Big Book AA can think of is a larger number of retreads and a big turn around with newcomers which increases literature sales. Like someone sent me some 8 to10 years ago;

 

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AA has recently announced that the 20 millionth copy of the Big Book has been sold. They noted that the one million book mark was reached in 1975.

 

In 1975 AA claimed 750,000 members which are remarkably close to the number of sales.

 

But look at what has happened in the last 25 years. AA has sold an additional 19 million books, but its world wide membership has stalled at slightly under 2 million.

 

While in 1975, there was 1. 25 Big Books per AA member; today there are 10 Big Books per AA member.

 

From a slightly different angle, it is instructive to compare the growth of AA membership to the sale of Big Books over the last 25 years. For that period, it took the sale of 16 Big Books to get one additional member for AA.
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Dennis M.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Kohl

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:31 PM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] AAWS in the news

It has been my observation that AAWS is particularly hateful towards
those who are very successful at carrying the AA message to those
who want to receive it.

It looks like JFT is handling their run in with AAWS with style and
class where AAWS once again shows their true colors.

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: sam
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 22:01
Subject: [GSOwatch] AAWS in the news

i saw this in another group...wondered if anyone around her heard
about this

Sunday November 30, 2008
> Subject: Changes to JFT! email service.
> �
> The "Just For Today!" daily email service has been available five
> days each week since September 1995. To date, volunteers have sent
> out over 31 million emails to subscribers like you located all
> over
> the world.
> �
> Unexpectedly, we were given notice on Wednesday by *AA World
Services,*
> *Inc.* that we must stop using AAWS-copyrighted material,
> effective
> today. Therefore, we will change the format of the daily emails in
> the following ways:
> �
> Three days a week you'll receive excerpts from the first 164 pages
of
> the first edition big book now in the public domain.
> �
> Two days a week you will receive an item of AA related history or
> trivia that we think you will find interesting.
> �
> Although we would prefer not to lose the opportunity to be of
maximum
> service to any of our current subscribers, if you find that this
> new
> format is not useful in your program of recovery, you can opt out
> following the instructions at the bottom of this email or any of
> the
> daily messages.
> �
> If you agree that this new trial format sounds interesting and
> potentially helpful, you need do nothing but sit back and enjoy
> the
> service that has been provided, uninterrupted, for the last 691
weeks.
> �
> Thank you for letting us be of service to you...and, as always,
> JFT!
> remains absolutely 100% free of charge and without advertising.
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> B,
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----- Original Message -----

From: Kohl

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:31 PM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] AAWS in the news

It has been my observation that AAWS is particularly hateful towards
those who are very successful at carrying the AA message to those
who want to receive it.

It looks like JFT is handling their run in with AAWS with style and
class where AAWS once again shows their true colors.

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: sam
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 22:01
Subject: [GSOwatch] AAWS in the news

i saw this in another group...wondered if anyone around her heard
about this

Sunday November 30, 2008
> Subject: Changes to JFT! email service.
> �
> The "Just For Today!" daily email service has been available five
> days each week since September 1995. To date, volunteers have sent
> out over 31 million emails to subscribers like you located all
> over
> the world.
> �
> Unexpectedly, we were given notice on Wednesday by *AA World
Services,*
> *Inc.* that we must stop using AAWS-copyrighted material,
> effective
> today. Therefore, we will change the format of the daily emails in
> the following ways:
> �
> Three days a week you'll receive excerpts from the first 164 pages
of
> the first edition big book now in the public domain.
> �
> Two days a week you will receive an item of AA related history or
> trivia that we think you will find interesting.
> �
> Although we would prefer not to lose the opportunity to be of
maximum
> service to any of our current subscribers, if you find that this
> new
> format is not useful in your program of recovery, you can opt out
> following the instructions at the bottom of this email or any of
> the
> daily messages.
> �
> If you agree that this new trial format sounds interesting and
> potentially helpful, you need do nothing but sit back and enjoy
> the
> service that has been provided, uninterrupted, for the last 691
weeks.
> �
> Thank you for letting us be of service to you...and, as always,
> JFT!
> remains absolutely 100% free of charge and without advertising.
> �
> Yours in Fellowship,�
> "Just for Today" volunteers Bob B, Bob M, Carl J, Jenny MM, Scott
> B,
> Terry H, and Doug B.�

It has been my observation that AAWS is particularly hateful towards
those who are very successful at carrying the AA message to those
who want to receive it.

It looks like JFT is handling their run in with AAWS with style and
class where AAWS once again shows their true colors.

Bless,
Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: sam
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 22:01
Subject: [GSOwatch] AAWS in the news


i saw this in another group...wondered if anyone around her heard
about this

Sunday November 30, 2008
> Subject: Changes to JFT! email service.
> �
> The "Just For Today!" daily email service has been available five
> days each week since September 1995. To date, volunteers have sent
> out over 31 million emails to subscribers like you located all
> over
> the world.
> �
> Unexpectedly, we were given notice on Wednesday by *AA World
Services,*
> *Inc.* that we must stop using AAWS-copyrighted material,
> effective
> today. Therefore, we will change the format of the daily emails in
> the following ways:
> �
> Three days a week you'll receive excerpts from the first 164 pages
of
> the first edition big book now in the public domain.
> �
> Two days a week you will receive an item of AA related history or
> trivia that we think you will find interesting.
> �
> Although we would prefer not to lose the opportunity to be of
maximum
> service to any of our current subscribers, if you find that this
> new
> format is not useful in your program of recovery, you can opt out
> following the instructions at the bottom of this email or any of
> the
> daily messages.
> �
> If you agree that this new trial format sounds interesting and
> potentially helpful, you need do nothing but sit back and enjoy
> the
> service that has been provided, uninterrupted, for the last 691
weeks.
> �
> Thank you for letting us be of service to you...and, as always,
> JFT!
> remains absolutely 100% free of charge and without advertising.
> �
> Yours in Fellowship,�
> "Just for Today" volunteers Bob B, Bob M, Carl J, Jenny MM, Scott
> B,
> Terry H, and Doug B.�

i saw this in another group...wondered if anyone around her heard
about this

Sunday November 30, 2008
> Subject: Changes to JFT! email service.
> �
> The "Just For Today!" daily email service has been available five
> days each week since September 1995. To date, volunteers have sent
> out over 31 million emails to subscribers like you located all over
> the world.
> �
> Unexpectedly, we were given notice on Wednesday by *AA World
Services,*
> *Inc.* that we must stop using AAWS-copyrighted material, effective
> today. Therefore, we will change the format of the daily emails in
> the following ways:
> �
> Three days a week you'll receive excerpts from the first 164 pages
of
> the first edition big book now in the public domain.
> �
> Two days a week you will receive an item of AA related history or
> trivia that we think you will find interesting.
> �
> Although we would prefer not to lose the opportunity to be of
maximum
> service to any of our current subscribers, if you find that this new
> format is not useful in your program of recovery, you can opt out
> following the instructions at the bottom of this email or any of the
> daily messages.
> �
> If you agree that this new trial format sounds interesting and
> potentially helpful, you need do nothing but sit back and enjoy the
> service that has been provided, uninterrupted, for the last 691
weeks.
> �
> Thank you for letting us be of service to you...and, as always, JFT!
> remains absolutely 100% free of charge and without advertising.
> �
> Yours in Fellowship,�
> "Just for Today" volunteers Bob B, Bob M, Carl J, Jenny MM, Scott B,
> Terry H, and Doug B.�

----- Original Message -----

From: Carl_Clark

To: carl

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 05:24

Subject: [GSOwatch] Herbert Spencer Didn’t Write It? (that principle is contempt prior to investigation)

Oh No! “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation.” - Herbert Spencer That’s the way it looks on page 568 of the Big Book. Well, apparently, Herbert Spencer didn’t write it! Check out the AA Bibliography who has pointed to The Survival of a Fitting Quotation By Michael St George and says; http://www.adozensteps.com/herbert-spencer-didnt-write-it/                                          In Service Carlon...                                                                   Don't Follow The People, Follow The Truth

Hi group,
  I hope and pray that AAWS has gone through the 5 stages of loss,
since finding out that they let the copyrights lapse on the big book.
1. Denial and Isolation
2.Anger
3. Bargaining
4.Depression
5. Acceptance

  It sure seems that "losing" the copyright has helped the sales and
profit margin immensely.
  Now, when the "royalties" are no longer an issue( soon I think), AAWS
need not worry about a countersuit from the heirs.
  This should remove the last legal "fear" of the corporation to
initiate legal proceedings.
  If the trustees can make the GSO self supporting from voluntary
contributions and not accept money from Book profits to finance "NY
Headquarters", it will be a miracle.
  Miracles are still possible in AA.

Greg

----- Original Message -----

From: Greg

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:28 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Guidelines

Hi Norm , Dennis and group,  The owner e-mailed me to say he has not been contacted by anyone from NYHeadquarters. greg --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Greg <Greg@soberalcoholic.com> wrote: From: Greg <Greg@soberalcoholic.com> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Guidelines To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:10 PM Thanks Norm and Dennis, I sent an e-mail to the owner of Nashville Recovery asking if anyone contacted him. greg --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Dennis <gratefuldennis@ sbcglobal. net> wrote: From: Dennis <gratefuldennis@ sbcglobal. net> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Guidelines To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 9:06 PM Hi Greg;   You wrote; > Could it be possible that AAWS has come to its senses and won't sue anybody anymore?<   I doubt it unless they got honest with themselves, took the Steps and had a spiritual awakening. I doubt that has happened since no 9th Step has occurred to the AA members and groups they have harmed.   Peace,   Dennis M.     ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Guidelines Hi Norm, Does anyone know of any current litigations? Could it be possible that AAWS has come to its senses and won't sue anybody anymore? Has anyone seen this site? Nashville Recovery It's one of the few websites out there with the whole  12x12 on it. Greg --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Kohl <kohl@...> wrote: From: Kohl <kohl@...> Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Guidelines To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:05 PM During the "German Litigations" one of the complaints was that giving away so many free Big Books was harming AAeV (the German AAWS) profits. In the AAeV report to their General Service Conference for the same year they bragged that they had a record breaking year in sales of their Big Book. That upside down triangle with the groups at the top comes to mind. I imagine that groups routinely turn the other cheek when it comes to things like the treasurer running off with the prudent reserve. Shouldn't those lower on the triangle follow the example of those who are leading? If this were true, there probably wouldn't be lawsuits and the many other violations of AA traditions and principles. Seems pretty simple to me. AA corporations ought to operate on the same principles as the AA Fellowship. Doesn't seem very complicated to me. I can imagine the screams of horror now.... "but we'll lose money!" Yeah, probably property and prestige too, but luckily for us, God has plenty of all of it and can supply all of that stuff that we need. Bless, Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: letslookattherecord To: GSOwatch@yahoogroup s.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 13:43 Subject: [GSOwatch] Guidelines Hi Group, The following is taken from the "guidelines" on Finance put out by GSO. FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS Question: Our treasurer just ran off with the money. What should we do? Answer: Unfortunately, this sort of thing, though rare, does occur. Though legal action is always an option, most groups avoid it. Greg

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