Agreed... no need yo distort the past. The Foundation was created and paid for by non-AA members, The money came from Rockefeller via Riverside Church. The...
5915
Gary Becktell
garkb
Nov 1, 2008 1:06 pm
Technically, it could be said that GSO didn't sue Mathias. But Elaine McDowell stated in her last Conference report that the suit cost them $227,000. That...
5916
bbfreeaa
Nov 1, 2008 3:54 pm
No doubt that there have been many letters written back and forth at some cost from legal and in most cases, the offenders complied. A trust must protect its...
5917
cliffarnold
Nov 1, 2008 4:03 pm
To my way of thinking, that intestinal fortitude, or lack thereof, is the problem. The activities of our service organizations are merely a symptom of the...
5918
Antara
antaraaaa
Nov 1, 2008 4:07 pm
Bill writes: ".....and the only assets we have are copyrights." Â Who is the "WE" ? ... From: bbfreeaa <bbfreeaa@...> Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Flush it ...
5919
hartsell
sherry_c_h
Nov 1, 2008 4:17 pm
AH, there is the rub Bill, there is quite compelling argument AGAINST the VALID existance of "copyrights", but even THAT aside, entities ACTING in the name of...
5920
Mike
tuswecaoyate
Nov 1, 2008 4:52 pm
Does anyone know where there is an actual bread-down of who is paid, and how much? The tax returns list only a few of the salaried people. I have also read and...
5921
bbfreeaa
Nov 1, 2008 4:57 pm
Trustees are not paid a salary. They are reimbursed for their travel expenses to and from the Quarterly Board Meetings, the GSC and to Regional Forums if they...
5922
bbfreeaa
Nov 1, 2008 5:09 pm
Sorry Mike, I missed the first part of your question. All GSO staff personnel are salaried or hourly. The listed salaried folks on the tax returns are the...
5923
bbfreeaa
Nov 1, 2008 5:19 pm
Arguments aside Sherry, the Trust does have assets and they are the Copyrights...period. Whether one agrees if we should or shouldn't is irrelevant to the...
5924
cliffarnold
Nov 1, 2008 5:55 pm
We can agree to disagree about the validity of the origins of these organizations. Maybe we can agree that through "sins" of commission or omission, these...
5925
Greg
thecarrierboys
Nov 1, 2008 7:43 pm
Hi John and Group, The individual group "book makers" almost seem like a good idea. But producing "books" sounds like a "business"; to me and it goes against...
5926
Kohl
newkohl
Nov 1, 2008 8:13 pm
Here's what GSC was told about litigations in 1994. http://gsowatch.aamo.info/archive/1994GSCFinalReport_p24.pdf The GSC report includes reference to ...
5927
Al C.
gsowatch
Nov 1, 2008 8:18 pm
Bill, No "flame" or put-down intended, just curiosity. You said "...the only assets we (emphasis added, mine) have are copyrights. Who is "we"? G' Bless, Al...
5928
Ian Perry
austral_ian17
Nov 1, 2008 8:24 pm
There is a reason for this and in my view it is simply that the fellowship/service has shifted focus from carrying the message to the suffering alcoholic,to...
5929
hartsell
sherry_c_h
Nov 1, 2008 9:04 pm
Bill, the suit re. Circle & Triangle was not dropped out of principle, it was abandoned as UN-WINNABLE, lets not present confusing information about that...
5930
Kohl
newkohl
Nov 1, 2008 9:19 pm
Hi Cliff: I see where you're going with the whole solution perspective and I've long been an advocate for solutions. My quest for solutions started as a GSR...
5931
Kohl
newkohl
Nov 1, 2008 9:24 pm
http://showcase.netins.net/web/twheise/ http://aamo.info/aa/fom_docs.htm Background information on Circle Triangle issue that Sherry mentions below. Bless, ...
5932
Mike
tuswecaoyate
Nov 1, 2008 10:13 pm
Thanks, Bill, So that $75k reference regarding certain trustees has no basis in fact? Mike ... staff ... July) ... paid, ... the ... equals ... think ... ...
5933
Gary Becktell
garkb
Nov 1, 2008 10:16 pm
The $227,000 was just the cost to AAUSA for the German lawsuit. That would certainly be a lot of letters. Warranty Five states that we don't sue AA members for...
5934
Greg
thecarrierboys
Nov 1, 2008 10:29 pm
Hi Bill, Do you know the reasons given why Jasper was fired? Greg bbfreeaa <bbfreeaa@...> wrote: Sorry Mike, I missed the...
5935
Dennis
gratefuldenn...
Nov 1, 2008 11:51 pm
Hi Bill; Perhaps you can show me a legal copyright on the Big Book. I can't find any. The only thing the US Copyright Office shows is a limited copyright on...
5936
Dennis
gratefuldenn...
Nov 1, 2008 11:54 pm
It is not a business if no money is made from it. It then is a service activity. Dennis M. ... From: Greg To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November...
5937
Dennis
gratefuldenn...
Nov 2, 2008 12:09 am
Hi Ian; You wrote; ... fellowship/service has shifted focus from carrying the message to the suffering alcoholic, to making money for the service entities.< I...
5938
Dennis
gratefuldenn...
Nov 2, 2008 12:35 am
Hi G. The $227,000 figure may also be higher because we don't know if the Attorneys at our NY Headquarters did any work on this. There is also hidden cost for...
5939
denialblamed
Nov 2, 2008 12:55 am
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=etVqcQGuLbE This might be a little painful because you cant just reduce me to being one lone deluded person who is anti-AA. I am...
5940
Gary Becktell
garkb
Nov 2, 2008 1:45 am
Thanks for your concern, J, I am indeed well. I have known many people over the years who feel much the same as you and the folks in your video feel. And AA...
5941
johng12fellow
Nov 2, 2008 1:53 am
We have no reason to even speculate that the corporations that have usurped our name are acting contrary to their founding purpose. Indeed, the record...
5942
johng12fellow
Nov 2, 2008 2:34 am
Trustees do have an obligation to protect the company assets. If they fail then the owners can sue them in civil court. Only the shareholder/owners can sue...
5943
bbfreeaa
Nov 2, 2008 3:34 am
OK, you really convinced me with that one. I'm going to submit my resignation to AA tomorrow. Thanks for sharing your genius with all of us....
