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Me too Norm. I also remember strange things like being angry over not getting a check I expected and not wanting to go to my jail meeting that night and calling several people to take my place. I threw the book from the kitchen across the living room and it landed open and face down on the couch. I felt guilty throwing it and walked over and picked it up and it was opened to the page of �Our Southern Friend� that said; ��it began with my desire for material success becoming greater than my interest in the welfare of my fellow man.� It hit me like a rock and I went to the jail meeting and a week later I got the check. The day after I deposited the check I got a phone call and my dad had a massive heart attack and was flow by helicopter to Reno. I went right to the bank and got the money to fly to Reno and be with my dad. It was the first time in sobriety I had enough money in the bank to do that and if I got my check when �I� wanted it then the money wouldn�t have been there. I love when that happens.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Norm

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:42 PM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] The "stories in the back"

The stories in my (big) books (the ones that have the stories) are all highlighted and 'notes in the margins', just like the rest of the book.

Bless,

Norm

----- Original Message -----

From: Al

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:15 PM

Subject: [GSOwatch] The "stories in the back"

Okay GSOwatchers,

Here�s one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern. Those stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages. How important are they? Really, I mean. Still being a self-declared kindergartner in AA, I�ve hear opinions range from �they�re only �commercials� in reality�, to �I REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably wouldn�t have read the book otherwise. I (personally) can relate to a lot of what�s there (except for the latest edition which I haven�t bought for myself)�BUT I read those AFTER the first 164. The latest edition stories were in my opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the BIG �send your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of Alcoholics Anonymous� or words to that effect. Can�t really judge because I haven�t partaken. Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU consider them to be indispensable or not.

G� Bless,

Al C.

#3050

From: "Dennis" <gratefuldennis@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 6:48 am
Subject: Re: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

gratefuldenn...

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Hi Frank;

Your statements are correct in some aspects but not always with allergic reactions. As a kid I had 127 allergies and got allergy shots twice a week. Some caused sinus conditions and some caused different skin conditions and one caused anaphylactic shock that was a reaction after an allergy shot after ingesting a small amount of chocolate in which I received three shots of adrenalin. Anaphylactic shock is one thing but �Anaphylaxis� is simply defined as an �extreme sensitivity to a substance such as a protein or drug,� so it may apply to alcohol as a substance. The part in which I was referring to as fact is that alcohol does fit into the food category.

Actually I personally never used the term �allergy� in working with a drunk but rather �the phenomenon of craving� referred to in the first 164 pages of the Big Book. The medical profession and especially psychiatry in the western world is very mechanistic in their views of illnesses anyway. Besides a very few like Dr. Jung quoted in our book the spiritual aspect of illness and especially alcoholism is still denied and little understood by the professionals in the field.

Alcoholism is a spiritual illness and AA uses God and spiritual tools to help bring about the necessary psychic change sufficient to overcome picking up that first drink that triggers the craving. The whole notion of alcoholism as an addiction just lets me know that someone doesn�t have a clue what alcoholism is.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: frankiepoo

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:51 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

A true allergy is a cascade of physiological
responses that occur in the body. It is actually
a complicated process that includes the release
of histamine and comlement on a cellular level
which induces the symptoms that an allergy
consist of.

In the case of anaphylaxis, it only occurs
after previous exposure to whatever the allergen
is as the body must produce antibodies for it to
occur.

Uncontrollable craving, if it exists, doesn't
fall into the category of allergy as none of the
cascade that is required is present. One's body
doesn't produce antibodies to alcohol, there is
no histamine or complement release from consuming
alcohol and alcoholics will never, ever develop
anaphylaxis as a result of drinking. (Although
technically, they could have an allergic reaction
to yeast or some other additive in the drink).

I have, however, taken care of patients in full
blown anaphylaxis from morphine. This had
nothing to do with them craving the drug, though.

frank

--- Dennis <gratefuldennis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I make one quote of something that is factual
> in line with a topic of a post
> of someone that doesn't believe in the allergy
> from a website and we get
> post after post attacking the personality of
> the person that has the website
> and nobody addressing the information itself.
> That is exactly what AAWS
> does. What a bunch of self-righteous egos here.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any comment of the interesting
> view that was presented? I
> will make it easier if you wish to attack me
> instead of responding to the
> actual message; I am just a low life drunk that
> irks out a living as a taxi
> driver and still has a lot of self-centeredness
> and don't always work my AA
> program and there is nothing that I am an
> expert in and I am also a big book
> thumper because my brain just don't work so
> well in trying to keep me sober.
>
>
>
> Peace,
>
> Dennis M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: timderan
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word
> Meanings
>
>
>
> "One of the things about swatch is that many
> here think that their way is
> the only way"
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny
> conducts himself. If one does
> not agree with him, they are castigated and
> thrown out. One of Danny's self
> proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play
> what he calls Bullshit Bingo.
> He and his friends have a set of phrases they
> wait for in meetings and when
> a certain combination of those phrases gets
> said at any meeting any one of
> them jumps up and shouts "Bullshit". And, they
> all think that is funny.
> When I took exception to their idea of humor I
> was practically run off of
> their message board.
>
>
>
> My point is still the same, if you are using
> Danny for a source of
> information, you are in the wrong place at the
> wrong time. We might as well
> go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To
> Basics principles in AA as we
> were before because that is exactly where it
> is.
>
>
>
> tmd
>
>
>
>

#3049

From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 5:28 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

watcher4444

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"We might as well go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To
Basics principles in AA as we were before because that is exactly
where it is."

BINGO”

That is what Danny said also.

And, as much as I hate to admit it, that is exactly what I think everyone wants to do. I think you might just be exactly correctg.

tmd

#3048

From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 5:23 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

watcher4444

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“Well said Sam. I’ve had to warn others about getting personal, so please keep your opinions of others to yourself. “

And, maybe if we did pay attention to people like Danny and what he is saying we might not have the problems we do now with NYC. What I mean is that Danny and his compatriots carry a message of AA that is not always the message. Calling them on their errors just like someone should have called AAWS/GSO might have prevented so many of the problems we talk about now.

Besides the point still is that using Danny or several others is not always a good practice. We might as well go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back to Basics thing again.

tmd

#3047

From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2007 5:19 am
Subject: RE: The "stories in the back"

watcher4444

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“Those stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages. How important are they? “

It is my understanding that the stories were originally put in the book to show how people used the information in the first 164 pages to get and stay sober.

I would agree that the most recent spate of stories in the 4^th edition smack of trying to one up everyone else and a kind of popularity contest, but, I recommend people read the Experience, Strength and Hope book which is supposed to contain all of the stories left out of the 2nde, 3^rd & 4^th editions.

tmd

#3046

From: "Norm" <kohl@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: The "stories in the back"

newkohl

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The stories in my (big) books (the ones that have the stories) are all highlighted and 'notes in the margins', just like the rest of the book.

Bless,

Norm

----- Original Message -----

From: Al

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:15 PM

Subject: [GSOwatch] The "stories in the back"

Okay GSOwatchers,

Here�s one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern. Those stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages. How important are they? Really, I mean. Still being a self-declared kindergartner in AA, I�ve hear opinions range from �they�re only �commercials� in reality�, to �I REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably wouldn�t have read the book otherwise. I (personally) can relate to a lot of what�s there (except for the latest edition which I haven�t bought for myself)�BUT I read those AFTER the first 164. The latest edition stories were in my opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the BIG �send your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of Alcoholics Anonymous� or words to that effect. Can�t really judge because I haven�t partaken. Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU consider them to be indispensable or not.

G� Bless,

Al C.

#3045

From: "johngillen10509" <johngillen10509@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: The "stories in the back"

johngillen10509

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"when filtered through delusional brains." I think you are getting it
Bill.

The stories were included, imo, to balance the sometimes fictional
theory of the  1st 164 pages. The stories were the only part of the
book written by folks who were not getting paid to write them. Folks
who would not profit from the sale of the book. These same people
never took the 12 Steps, or gave a newcomer a copy of the book. The
original stories included ALL that the then 43 members of the
Fellowship submitted.

All subsequent stories were written for the profit of glory, paid
convention invites, standing ovations, or simply vanity. All these
stories were carefully screened by a committee to see if they were
"good enough"... all were edited by paid professionals to make them
"better."

Yes, I think you have described well the current much revised
renditions: "when filtered through delusional brains."

John G.


--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <bbfreeaa@...> wrote:
>
> You beat me to it Sam.  Well said.  Like many things in our
> literature, they should be handled only with adult supervision.
> Newcomers and unfortunately, some not so new, can really twist things
> when filtered through delusional brains.
>               Bill
>
> --- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "sam" <samwasblasted@> wrote:
> >
> > the stories in the back of the book were probably much more important
> > back in 1939 then they are now...they were like testimonials to show
> > this program actually worked on alcoholics....today i think they
> > cause more harm then good...cause someone will pull something out of
> > the stories...and it becomes very popular in  meetings (pg449/417 for
> > instance)..and it becomes part of the program of recovery...something
> > the original authors did not intend it to be...
> >
> >
> > --- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <coopera@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Okay GSOwatchers,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern.
> > Those
> > > stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages.  How
> > important
> > > are they?  Really, I mean.  Still being a self-declared
> > kindergartner in AA,
> > > I've hear opinions range from "they're only 'commercials' in
> > reality", to "I
> > > REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably
> > wouldn't
> > > have read the book otherwise.  I (personally) can relate to a lot
> > of what's
> > > there (except for the latest edition which I haven't bought for
> > myself).BUT
> > > I read those AFTER the first 164.  The latest edition stories were
> > in my
> > > opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the
> > BIG "send
> > > your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of
> > Alcoholics
> > > Anonymous" or words to that effect.  Can't really judge because I
> > haven't
> > > partaken.  Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU
> > > consider them to be indispensable or not.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > G' Bless,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Al C.
> > >
> >
>

#3044

From: "Bill" <bbfreeaa@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: The "stories in the back"

bbfreeaa

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You beat me to it Sam.  Well said.  Like many things in our
literature, they should be handled only with adult supervision.
Newcomers and unfortunately, some not so new, can really twist things
when filtered through delusional brains.
               Bill

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "sam" <samwasblasted@...> wrote:
>
> the stories in the back of the book were probably much more important
> back in 1939 then they are now...they were like testimonials to show
> this program actually worked on alcoholics....today i think they
> cause more harm then good...cause someone will pull something out of
> the stories...and it becomes very popular in  meetings (pg449/417 for
> instance)..and it becomes part of the program of recovery...something
> the original authors did not intend it to be...
>
>
> --- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <coopera@> wrote:
> >
> > Okay GSOwatchers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern.
> Those
> > stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages.  How
> important
> > are they?  Really, I mean.  Still being a self-declared
> kindergartner in AA,
> > I've hear opinions range from "they're only 'commercials' in
> reality", to "I
> > REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably
> wouldn't
> > have read the book otherwise.  I (personally) can relate to a lot
> of what's
> > there (except for the latest edition which I haven't bought for
> myself).BUT
> > I read those AFTER the first 164.  The latest edition stories were
> in my
> > opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the
> BIG "send
> > your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of
> Alcoholics
> > Anonymous" or words to that effect.  Can't really judge because I
> haven't
> > partaken.  Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU
> > consider them to be indispensable or not.
> >
> >
> >
> > G' Bless,
> >
> >
> >
> > Al C.
> >
>

#3043

From: "sam" <samwasblasted@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: The "stories in the back"

samwasblasted

Offline

the stories in the back of the book were probably much more important
back in 1939 then they are now...they were like testimonials to show
this program actually worked on alcoholics....today i think they
cause more harm then good...cause someone will pull something out of
the stories...and it becomes very popular in  meetings (pg449/417 for
instance)..and it becomes part of the program of recovery...something
the original authors did not intend it to be...


--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <coopera@...> wrote:
>
> Okay GSOwatchers,
>
>
>
> Here's one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern.
Those
> stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages.  How
important
> are they?  Really, I mean.  Still being a self-declared
kindergartner in AA,
> I've hear opinions range from "they're only 'commercials' in
reality", to "I
> REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably
wouldn't
> have read the book otherwise.  I (personally) can relate to a lot
of what's
> there (except for the latest edition which I haven't bought for
myself).BUT
> I read those AFTER the first 164.  The latest edition stories were
in my
> opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the
BIG "send
> your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of
Alcoholics
> Anonymous" or words to that effect.  Can't really judge because I
haven't
> partaken.  Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU
> consider them to be indispensable or not.
>
>
>
> G' Bless,
>
>
>
> Al C.
>

#3042

From: "Bill" <bbfreeaa@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

bbfreeaa

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TMD Wrote:

"We might as well go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To
Basics principles in AA as we were before because that is exactly
where it is."

BINGO

#3041

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: The "stories in the back"

garkb

Offline

I could take the stories, or leave them. With few exceptions, I have never been much interested. I read all of them in the Third Edition and then read all the ones in the Fourth when it came out. There was quite an improvement in the Fourth Edition. On the other hand, I've known a lot of folks that found them to be very important and helpful. So I think they definitely serve a good purpose for some alkies. Just because they are not that important to me doesn't mean they shouldn't be there.

----- Original Message -----

From: Al

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:15 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] The "stories in the back"

Okay GSOwatchers,

Here�s one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern. Those stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages. How important are they? Really, I mean. Still being a self-declared kindergartner in AA, I�ve hear opinions range from �they�re only �commercials� in reality�, to �I REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably wouldn�t have read the book otherwise. I (personally) can relate to a lot of what�s there (except for the latest edition which I haven�t bought for myself)�BUT I read those AFTER the first 164. The latest edition stories were in my opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the BIG �send your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of Alcoholics Anonymous� or words to that effect. Can�t really judge because I haven�t partaken. Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU consider them to be indispensable or not.

G� Bless,

Al C.

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#3040

From: frankiepoo <shequitadeho@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

shequitadeho

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A true allergy is a cascade of physiological
responses that occur in the body.  It is actually
a complicated process that includes the release
of histamine and comlement on a cellular level
which induces the symptoms that an allergy
consist of.

   In the case of anaphylaxis, it only occurs
after previous exposure to whatever the allergen
is as the body must produce antibodies for it to
occur.

Uncontrollable craving, if it exists, doesn't
fall into the category of allergy as none of the
cascade that is required is present.  One's body
doesn't produce antibodies to alcohol, there is
no histamine or complement release from consuming
alcohol and alcoholics will never, ever develop
anaphylaxis as a result of drinking.  (Although
technically, they could have an allergic reaction
to yeast or some other additive in the drink).

   I have, however, taken care of patients in full
blown anaphylaxis from morphine.  This had
nothing to do with them craving the drug, though.

frank

--- Dennis <gratefuldennis@...> wrote:

> I make one quote of something that is factual
> in line with a topic of a post
> of someone that doesn't believe in the allergy
> from a website and we get
> post after post attacking the personality of
> the person that has the website
> and nobody addressing the information itself.
> That is exactly what AAWS
> does. What a bunch of self-righteous egos here.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any comment of the interesting
> view that was presented? I
> will make it easier if you wish to attack me
> instead of responding to the
> actual message; I am just a low life drunk that
> irks out a living as a taxi
> driver and still has a lot of self-centeredness
> and don't always work my AA
> program and there is nothing that I am an
> expert in and I am also a big book
> thumper because my brain just don't work so
> well in trying to keep me sober.
>
>
>
> Peace,
>
> Dennis M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>   From: timderan
>   To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:36 PM
>   Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word
> Meanings
>
>
>
>   "One of the things about swatch is that many
> here think that their way is
> the only way"
>
>
>
>   Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny
> conducts himself.  If one does
> not agree with him, they are castigated and
> thrown out.  One of Danny's self
> proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play
> what he calls Bullshit Bingo.
> He and his friends have a set of phrases they
> wait for in meetings and when
> a certain combination of those phrases gets
> said at any meeting any one of
> them jumps up and shouts "Bullshit".  And, they
> all think that is funny.
> When I took exception to their idea of humor I
> was practically run off of
> their message board.
>
>
>
>   My point is still the same, if you are using
> Danny for a source of
> information, you are in the wrong place at the
> wrong time.  We might as well
> go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To
> Basics principles in AA as we
> were before because that is exactly where it
> is.
>
>
>
>   tmd
>
>
>
>

#3039

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

garkb

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My point is that Danny has a right to do it any way he see's fit. A bunch of guys that acted like you described saved my ass when I was new. I will be forever grateful to them. They were some of the AA that I needed then, in my first year. I shudder to think what could have happened had they not been there.

Using someone else's behavior as an excuse for us doing the same thing is sad, if we think it is wrong for them but right for us. On the other hand, a new fellow in my Home Group has the audacity to act like I did when I was new; angry, disrespectful, arrogant. I have to bite my lip and shut up. Thank God I can remember and love him anyway, (or at least act like I do).

I know it seems like a bunch of alcoholics that have pickled their brains and run their lives into the ground would act better, we should all be freakin' saints, but alas, we are still alcoholics, trying to get our S#$%&* together. When I get my 100 year chip, I'll be back. Then I'll know everything.

----- Original Message -----

From: timderan

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 10:36 PM

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

�One of the things about swatch is that many here think that their way is the only way�

Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny conducts himself. If one does not agree with him, they are castigated and thrown out. One of Danny�s self proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play what he calls Bullshit Bingo. He and his friends have a set of phrases they wait for in meetings and when a certain combination of those phrases gets said at any meeting any one of them jumps up and shouts �Bullshit�. And, they all think that is funny. When I took exception to their idea of humor I was practically run off of their message board.

My point is still the same, if you are using Danny for a source of information, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. We might as well go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To Basics principles in AA as we were before because that is exactly where it is.

tmd

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#3038

From: Pete Watts <watts_pete@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 1:18 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

watts_pete

Online Now

As an aside,

As a diabetic I hae to have regular pics of my retinas
taken to check they're healthy.

Last time I went the girl who took the pics was a real
hot babe. Stunning. She put some stuff in my eyes to
make them dilate and it stung like hell. I complained
and she said it sometimes stung a bit.

I said "I'm sorry I have to say this - but all I had
to do was walk in here and take a look at you to make
my eyes dilate."

"I will go red for the rest of this appointment." she
said.

While I sat in the waiting room for the stuff to take
effect she went up to the receptionist, pointer he in
my direction and whispered in her ear.  She grinned.

My next appointment is n a couple of weeks. :)
--- "Bruce A. Johanson" <bajohanson@...>
wrote:

> Vanilla extract in the eyes?
> Roflmao
> I'd think he'd be more concerned with the sting
> (probable?) than a
> craving.
> Bruce
>
> Whether this is true or not I really have to
> remember this one
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of timderan
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:29 PM
> To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings
>
> "Danny lost all credibility in my eyes during a
> debate when he talked
> about how putting drops of vanilla extract into his
> eyes would
> trigger cravings for alcohol:"
>
> Ah, you know of him also.  That is good.
>
> tmd
>
>
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#3037

From: "Dennis" <gratefuldennis@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

gratefuldenn...

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I make one quote of something that is factual in line with a topic of a post of someone that doesn't believe in the allergy from a website and we get post after post attacking the personality of the person that has the website and nobody addressing the information itself. That is exactly what AAWS does. What a bunch of self-righteous egos here.

Does anyone have any comment of the interesting view that was presented? I will make it easier if you wish to attack me instead of responding to the actual message; I am just a low life drunk that irks out a living as a taxi driver and still has a lot of self-centeredness and don�t always work my AA program and there is nothing that I am an expert in and I am also a big book thumper because my brain just don�t work so well in trying to keep me sober.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: timderan

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:36 PM

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

�One of the things about swatch is that many here think that their way is the only way�

Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny conducts himself. If one does not agree with him, they are castigated and thrown out. One of Danny�s self proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play what he calls Bullshit Bingo. He and his friends have a set of phrases they wait for in meetings and when a certain combination of those phrases gets said at any meeting any one of them jumps up and shouts �Bullshit�. And, they all think that is funny. When I took exception to their idea of humor I was practically run off of their message board.

My point is still the same, if you are using Danny for a source of information, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. We might as well go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To Basics principles in AA as we were before because that is exactly where it is.

tmd

#3036

From: "Linda" <soberlady@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:02 am
Subject: Re: The "stories in the back"

sobrlady

Offline

I read the WHOLE book my first 24 hours. I'm an avid reader and even sobering up found the whole thing fascinating (2nd edition, btw).

Now I don't bother. The program is found in the prefaces and the first 164 and that's where I hang.

Even the 12 x 12 is something I'd rather not deal with, and so tell my sponsees. Actually I request they not read it, until after they have completed the steps.

----- Original Message -----

From: Al

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:15 PM

Subject: [GSOwatch] The "stories in the back"

Okay GSOwatchers,

Here�s one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern. Those stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages. How important are they? Really, I mean. Still being a self-declared kindergartner in AA, I�ve hear opinions range from �they�re only �commercials� in reality�, to �I REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably wouldn�t have read the book otherwise. I (personally) can relate to a lot of what�s there (except for the latest edition which I haven�t bought for myself)�BUT I read those AFTER the first 164. The latest edition stories were in my opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the BIG �send your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of Alcoholics Anonymous� or words to that effect. Can�t really judge because I haven�t partaken. Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU consider them to be indispensable or not.

G� Bless,

Al C.

#3035

From: "Al" <coopera@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:15 am
Subject: The "stories in the back"

gsowatch

Offline

Okay GSOwatchers,

Here’s one that (for me at least) is probably a minor concern. Those stories (drunk-a-logs in print) after the first 164 pages. How important are they? Really, I mean. Still being a self-declared kindergartner in AA, I’ve hear opinions range from “they’re only ‘commercials’ in reality”, to “I REALLY needed those when I first came into the rooms, and probably wouldn’t have read the book otherwise. I (personally) can relate to a lot of what’s there (except for the latest edition which I haven’t bought for myself)…BUT I read those AFTER the first 164. The latest edition stories were in my opinion, really a popularity contest for the best writer after the BIG “send your stories in NOW for consideration for the next edition of Alcoholics Anonymous” or words to that effect. Can’t really judge because I haven’t partaken. Just a kind of informal opinion poll here, on whether YOU consider them to be indispensable or not.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

#3034

From: "Al" <coopera@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:07 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

gsowatch

Offline

Well said Sam. I’ve had to warn others about getting personal, so please keep your opinions of others to yourself. Remember hand pointing…one towards me, the others towards ??? Just a reminder.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sam
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 13:59
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

so is this group named gso watch or is it now called the danny
watch...i think one should keep their personal opinions about certain
aa memebers to themselves there are lots of other groups one can use
to bitch and moan about others..dont you think...

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "timderan" <timderan@...> wrote:
>
> "One of the things about swatch is that many here think that their
way is
> the only way"
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny conducts himself. If one
does not
> agree with him, they are castigated and thrown out. One of Danny's
self
> proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play what he calls
Bullshit Bingo.
> He and his friends have a set of phrases they wait for in meetings
and when
> a certain combination of those phrases gets said at any meeting any
one of
> them jumps up and shouts "Bullshit". And, they all think that is
funny.
> When I took exception to their idea of humor I was practically run
off of
> their message board.
>
>
>
> My point is still the same, if you are using Danny for a source of
> information, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. We
might as well
> go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To Basics principles in
AA as we
> were before because that is exactly where it is.
>
>
>
> tmd
>

#3033

From: "Bruce A. Johanson" <bajohanson@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:40 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

pagan50

Offline

Vanilla extract in the eyes?

Roflmao

I’d think he’d be more concerned with the sting (probable?) than a craving.

Bruce

Whether this is true or not I really have to remember this one

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of timderan
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:29 PM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

“Danny lost all credibility in my eyes during a debate when he talked
about how putting drops of vanilla extract into his eyes would
trigger cravings for alcohol:”

Ah, you know of him also. That is good.

tmd

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#3032

From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:21 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

watcher4444

Offline

“so is this group named gso watch or is it now called the danny
watch... “

This is called gsowatch and if you pay attention you will note that the comments about Danny are about the use of information from his blog and his message board.

tmd

#3031

From: "sam" <samwasblasted@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:58 am
Subject: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

samwasblasted

Offline

so is this group named gso watch or is it now called the danny
watch...i think one should keep their personal opinions about certain
aa memebers to themselves there are lots of other groups one can use
to bitch and moan about others..dont you think...

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "timderan" <timderan@...> wrote:
>
> "One of the things about swatch is that many here think that their
way is
> the only way"
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny conducts himself.  If one
does not
> agree with him, they are castigated and thrown out.  One of Danny's
self
> proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play what he calls
Bullshit Bingo.
> He and his friends have a set of phrases they wait for in meetings
and when
> a certain combination of those phrases gets said at any meeting any
one of
> them jumps up and shouts "Bullshit".  And, they all think that is
funny.
> When I took exception to their idea of humor I was practically run
off of
> their message board.
>
>
>
> My point is still the same, if you are using Danny for a source of
> information, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.  We
might as well
> go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To Basics principles in
AA as we
> were before because that is exactly where it is.
>
>
>
> tmd
>

#3030

From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:36 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

watcher4444

Offline

“One of the things about swatch is that many here think that their way is the only way”

Unfortunately, this is exactly how Danny conducts himself. If one does not agree with him, they are castigated and thrown out. One of Danny’s self proclaimed things to do at meetings is to play what he calls Bullshit Bingo. He and his friends have a set of phrases they wait for in meetings and when a certain combination of those phrases gets said at any meeting any one of them jumps up and shouts “Bullshit”. And, they all think that is funny. When I took exception to their idea of humor I was practically run off of their message board.

My point is still the same, if you are using Danny for a source of information, you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. We might as well go back to arguing the Primary Purpose/Back To Basics principles in AA as we were before because that is exactly where it is.

tmd

#3029

From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:28 am
Subject: RE: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

watcher4444

Offline

“Danny lost all credibility in my eyes during a debate when he talked
about how putting drops of vanilla extract into his eyes would
trigger cravings for alcohol:”

Ah, you know of him also. That is good.

tmd

#3028

From: Ted H <theo@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:46 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

theheise

Offline

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Gary Becktell wrote:

>     ...I don't know of anyone here that isn't a bit strange.


Hey!  I *resemble* that remark!  :)

Ted H

#3027

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

garkb

Offline

We get some weirdoes on this group but I don't consider Danny one of them. He is a friend of mine.

One of the things about swatch is that many here think that their way is the only way, which is quite un-AA. And I don't know of anyone here that isn't a bit strange. Just because someone seems different to any of you, I would like to suggest that you just let them be. If they are not trying to disrupt, they should be able to feel free to be honest here, regardless of whether they are in the majority.

It seems that some here treat the minority shamefully and that says more about them then their intended victim. This is a 'minority opinion' site. Why is it that so many do not respect another's 'minority opinion'?

It is a principle, it is called respect for another's differences. Try it!

----- Original Message -----

From: Ray Smith

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:55 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

Danny lost all credibility in my eyes during a debate when he talked
about how putting drops of vanilla extract into his eyes would
trigger cravings for alcohol:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aadebate/message/221

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "timderan" <timderan@...> wrote:
>
> http://recoveredalc <http://recoveredalcoholic.blogspot.com/>
> oholic.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> If you are using this guy for your source of information, we might
as well
> go right back to the argument over Primary Purpose and so on.
>
>
>
> Let's face it Joe & Charlie are just a tool some people find
useful.
>
>
>
> Words are just words and allergy means something to each of us/
Describing
> the reaction to alcohol as an allergy may or may not be the best
way to
> describe it, but, it does describe it in a way people seem to
understand.
>
>
>
> As for alcohol and drugs, that is an old red herring used all to
often to
> make the argument go on longer. People are going to say what they
need to,
> I just need to listen sometimes.
>
>
>
> As for circuit speakers, who cares, they make their money from
giving a good
> show. If you do not like it do not go.
>
>
>
> But, using Danny as a source of information on AA is quite a hoot
to say the
> least. He has some good stuff, but, he also has a lot of hot air.
>
>
>
> tmd
>

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#3026

From: "Ray Smith" <raysny@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: Tapes & Word Meanings

raysny

Offline

Danny lost all credibility in my eyes during a debate when he talked
about how putting drops of vanilla extract into his eyes would
trigger cravings for alcohol:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aadebate/message/221

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "timderan" <timderan@...> wrote:
>
> http://recoveredalc <http://recoveredalcoholic.blogspot.com/>
> oholic.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> If you are using this guy for your source of information, we might
as well
> go right back to the argument over Primary Purpose and so on.
>
>
>
> Let's face it Joe & Charlie are just a tool some people find
useful.
>
>
>
> Words are just words and allergy means something to each of us/
Describing
> the reaction to alcohol as an allergy may or may not be the best
way to
> describe it, but, it does describe it in a way people seem to
understand.
>
>
>
> As for alcohol and drugs, that is an old red herring used all to
often to
> make the argument go on longer.  People are going to say what they
need to,
> I just need to listen sometimes.
>
>
>
> As for circuit speakers, who cares, they make their money from
giving a good
> show.  If you do not like it do not go.
>
>
>
> But, using Danny as a source of information on AA is quite a hoot
to say the
> least.  He has some good stuff, but, he also has a lot of hot air.
>
>
>
> tmd
>

#3025

From: Ted H <theo@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Questions about Donations

theheise

Offline

This would be great to hear about when you get a chance.  Also, any
other *real* issues that were addressed.

Ted H

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Gary Becktell wrote:

> Bill,
>    Please give us an update on the 'rotation' deal.
>

> Bill wrote:
>>
>> The maximum donation (individual/year) is, as of today, $3000,
>> per the just completed 57th GSC.
>>
>>  Bill

#3024

From: dave smith <soberstar22@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:32 am
Subject: Re: FW: Re: Questions about Donations

soberstar22

Offline

I agree with you Sherry

To be asked to share at the "Top Table" here in the little Town of Erskine Bridge near Glasgow Scotland is indeed an honour for this dumb Englishman....

And guess what I will chuck a few quid in to support this group and AA in Scotland...

Best Wishes

Dave S

happy to be Insane today--!!!!!!

"Sherry C. Hartsell" <hartsell@...> wrote:

Most of us �work� for food J, and feel honored to share that meal with the hosts,

of course I do not consider sharing my story at any A.A. function �Work� but rather a privilege and honor.

Sherry c. h.

From: GSOwatch@
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:00 PM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Questions about Donations

First Class air fare LA-NY or LA-Honolulu (both highly competitive
routes, other routes cost more) run between $2 and 4,000 per seat.
Circuit speakers get a companion ticket, + boarding/kennel fees for
pets, house/child sitting fees, chauffer to/from airport, rent a car
on arrival, suite or better at the event hotel, all meals for 3+ days,
a round of golf, + walking around money. An easy $10,000. For pricey
events such as cruises - the cost is much higher. In a few cases the
speaker somehow always gets a $1000++ donation to a specific charity
that he/she is associated with.

If ya gotta charge a fee for your event - spend the loot on good food
and facilities - the main event speaker should be chosen at random
from those who choose to pay the fee.... a few hours after the event
starts.

Anyone choosing to pay a fee to hear a specific identified speaker is
personaly promoting a personality. No one has a better story than you.
No one.

John G.

PS: Betcha ya won't wanna believe that AAWS Servicites have been
taking "walking around money" + other perks while attending events to
"Service."

PPS - Conventions negotiate room rates -- in those rates are included
the cost of the suites for the honored guests AND the select few
insiders ---- how is the money paid? Yep... from the collective higher
rates paid by the lessor mortals who are mere AA members. The hotels
also kick back substantial funds to the convention organizers and/or
pay other expenses, such as air fare, car rent, chauffers, golf, room
service etc., of the convention as specified in the convention/hotel
contract. These kickbacks frequently exceed $100,000, and for large
conventions requiring the use of a convention center can be paid by
the convention center.

PPPS- if there is someone selling tapes - that someone has paid for
the concession... and paid big.

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, frankiepoo <s@...> wrote:
>
> speaker is good enough for their event? And
> > what kind of problems are
> > created when the chosen personality requires
> > the advance expenditure
> > of upwards of $10,000 to speak at the annointed
> > event calling itself "AA?"
>
> Do speakers at AA conventions really have those
> kind of requirements?
> frank
>
> --- john g@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Exactly.
> >
> > I have been present while our "service" entity
> > struggled to come to
> > grips with missing funds - large amounts for NY
> > metropolitan areas.
> > These accounts were for "conventions."
> >
> > The first concept presented was to keep it
> > secret. Next was how to
> > replace the money. Last was to use the "prudent
> > reserve" of the Area
> > to replace the "convention" money. (Why did
> > Area have so much $$?)
> >
> > This sameAAWS "service" community in NY
> > experianced this again about
> > 10 years later.
> >
> > The amounts involved were more than a working
> > person's annual income.
> >
> > AND so what?
> >
> > The Fellowship survived. Most folks didn't
> > know. others were
> > disbelieving that something calling itself "AA"
> > had so much money on hand.
> >
> > It makes a person wonder why indeed! Why are
> > large "AA" meetings held
> > in places where "passing the hat" is not
> > trusted to carry the day? Why
> > are venues chosen that require large cash
> > outlay? Just what purpose is
> > served by setting up a committee to review
> > tapes of persons they have
> > never met, at meetings they never attended to
> > determine if an "AA"
> > speaker is good enough for their event? And
> > what kind of problems are
> > created when the chosen personality requires
> > the advance expenditure
> > of upwards of $10,000 to speak at the annointed
> > event calling itself "AA?"
> >
> > Here in my county of residence we have 60,000
> > residents. Until last
> > week we had a central office..... It closed -
> > no money. Why? I don't
> > know, but I think funding was diverted to Area
> > to finance travel to
> > AAWS "Service" meetings..... 10 years ago there
> > was no CO, and the
> > phones were answered, meeting schedules
> > prepared, the groups ordered
> > their own literature and all events were
> > free..... Oh well, I guess we
> > will go back to the "bad" old days and the
> > "bad" old ways of free AA.
> >
> > AA has problems of money. The Traditions warn
> > us multiple times to
> > avoid money problems. There is a sure way to
> > minimize them - join a
> > home group - give money only at the group you
> > are a member of. Get
> > involved with that group's business meetings...
> > and follow the money.
> >
> > There is never a reason good enough to support
> > an outfit that holds
> > fee meetings, screens its speakers/performers,
> > pays the way of folks
> > who would otherwise not attend the fee meeting,
> > promotes the fee event
> > by advertising the name of the
> > personality/performer/speaker..
> >
> > We have nothing to fear from treasuries gone
> > missing - it is the
> > amassing of funds that is the problem. Get rid
> > of fee events --- and
> > viola - the problem largely goes away. Get rid
> > of publishing for a
> > profit and another big problem goes away.
> >
> > John G.
> >
> > --- In gso "Linda"
> > <s@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting side note about an incident that
> > actually happened in our
> > > central office in my old hometown. The CO
> > secty would make out
> > checks to
> > > pay the bills for the office, i.e. PG&E,
> > water, garbage, office
> > supplies,
> > > literature, etc. to be counter signed by the
> > second signatory, the
> > > treasurer, obstensibly to stuff these checks
> > in envelopes and mail
> > to the
> > > varied creditors.
> > >
> > > What actually happened, is she used
> > "Wite-Out" on the payee line,
> > inserted
> > > her own name and took said checks to her bank
> > and deposited them.
> > >
> > > It took approximately 6 months for the whole
> > thing to come crashing
> > down on
> > > our heads. We nearly lost all the donated
> > funds from the groups AND
> > our
> > > Central Office as well.
> > >
> > > Needless to say, the steering committee
> > (yours truly was on it too),
> > removed
> > > her from office, and created several layers
> > of people between her
> > and her
> > > mis-deeds with the IRS, who actually caught
> > on to this scam. I'm
> > not sure
> > > how we resolved it, I just know there is now
> > a system of checks and
> > balances
> > > in place whereby this cannot happen again.
> > >
> > > The woman was not prosecuted and has since
> > paid back all the money
> > she took.
> > > She is also still sober, and is no longer a
> > sober horse-thief (as
> > I've heard
> > > such people called).
> > >
> > > God was truly looking out for her and our
> > wonderful fellowship at
> > that time.
> > >
> > > Lawsuits were not even considered at the
> > time, and neither was
> > prosecution.
> > > This was/is against our tradition and is
> > unthinkable. (This
> > happened circa
> > > 1985 or thereabouts).
> > >
> > > AA Hugs,
> > > Linda E.,
> > > Recovered by God's Grace
> > > dos 6/22/76
>

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#3023

From: "Sherry C. Hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:10 am
Subject: RE: Re: Questions about Donations

sherry_c_h

Offline

Yes Bill, that is what I was referring to by “the NY happenings”.

sherry

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Becktell
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:02 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Re: Questions about Donations

Bill,

Please give us an update on the 'rotation' deal.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 11:39 PM

Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Questions about Donations

Hi all,

The maximum donation (individual/year) is, as of today, $3000, per the
just completed 57th GSC.

Bill

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Norm" <kohl@...> wrote:
>
>
> Donations:
>
> http://aa.org/en_pdfs/en_bm-31_06-07.pdf Search for 2,000 you find
this on
> page 79....
> "Many groups have found it convenient to set up a regular
contribution plan
> whereby they send in a predetermined percentage each month or each
quarter.
> For part of this - or to make additions to it - they use various
methods.
> The Birthday Plan is one: On their A.A. birthdays each year, group
members
> make their personal contributions (through group treasuries) on the
basis of
> $1.00 for each year of sobriety. G.S.O. will send special Birthday Plan
> envelopes on request.
>
> Many groups have their own ways of getting their regular or special
> contributions together. In Memoriam contributions honor the memory of a
> deceased member. Of course contributions of this type, like those of
any
> other, can be accepted from A.A. members only. In keeping with the
> Traditions, G.S.O. accepts contributions only from A.A. members,
groups or
> other A.A. entities. Furthermore, the General Service Conference limits
> individual contributions to $2,000 per year. This limit also applies
to a
> one-time bequest of $2,000 in the wills of deceased members. "
--©AAWS Inc.
>
> Bless,
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
> To: <GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 PM
> Subject: [GSOwatch] Questions about Donations
>
>
> > "This question should be answered by New York. When I was Area
treasurer
> > I received a deed to some property made out to Alcoholics
Anonymous from
> > an attorney. I called GSO and they told me that we couldn't
accept it,
> > but I should send everything to them and our attornys would handle it
> > from there "
> >
> > I am forwarding this to gsowatch. I have removed all the
references to
> > the
> > source of it. This was a response to a posting about someone
wanting to
> > donate a large sum ($500-$1000) to a group.
> >
> > I am not sure, but, I think I have heard of this one before. I am
> > interested in finding out if anyone else has heard of this one.
And, I am
> > also interested in others thoughts.
> >
> > tmd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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#3022

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:01 am
Subject: Re: Re: Questions about Donations

garkb

Offline

Bill,

Please give us an update on the 'rotation' deal.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 11:39 PM

Subject: [GSOwatch] Re: Questions about Donations

Hi all,

The maximum donation (individual/year) is, as of today, $3000, per the
just completed 57th GSC.

Bill

--- In GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com, "Norm" <kohl@...> wrote:
>
>
> Donations:
>
> http://aa.org/en_pdfs/en_bm-31_06-07.pdf Search for 2,000 you find
this on
> page 79....
> "Many groups have found it convenient to set up a regular
contribution plan
> whereby they send in a predetermined percentage each month or each
quarter.
> For part of this - or to make additions to it - they use various
methods.
> The Birthday Plan is one: On their A.A. birthdays each year, group
members
> make their personal contributions (through group treasuries) on the
basis of
> $1.00 for each year of sobriety. G.S.O. will send special Birthday Plan
> envelopes on request.
>
> Many groups have their own ways of getting their regular or special
> contributions together. In Memoriam contributions honor the memory of a
> deceased member. Of course contributions of this type, like those of
any
> other, can be accepted from A.A. members only. In keeping with the
> Traditions, G.S.O. accepts contributions only from A.A. members,
groups or
> other A.A. entities. Furthermore, the General Service Conference limits
> individual contributions to $2,000 per year. This limit also applies
to a
> one-time bequest of $2,000 in the wills of deceased members. "
--�AAWS Inc.
>
> Bless,
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "timderan" <timderan@...>
> To: <GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:23 PM
> Subject: [GSOwatch] Questions about Donations
>
>
> > "This question should be answered by New York. When I was Area
treasurer
> > I received a deed to some property made out to Alcoholics
Anonymous from
> > an attorney. I called GSO and they told me that we couldn't
accept it,
> > but I should send everything to them and our attornys would handle it
> > from there "
> >
> > I am forwarding this to gsowatch. I have removed all the
references to
> > the
> > source of it. This was a response to a posting about someone
wanting to
> > donate a large sum ($500-$1000) to a group.
> >
> > I am not sure, but, I think I have heard of this one before. I am
> > interested in finding out if anyone else has heard of this one.
And, I am
> > also interested in others thoughts.
> >
> > tmd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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