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Some Groups Not Receiving Email Messages
We want to acknowledge the reports that not all groups are receiving
email. Some of these groups are seeing the posts on their group archive
on the Web, but not receiving them via email. This problem has been
difficult to diagnose, since it is affecting some groups but not others.


Our engineers have been investigating the root cause since we became
aware of the problem last night. We will continue to work on this and
will keep you updated via the blog. In the meantime, we appreciate your
patience and apologize for the inconvenience.

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#1992

From: "Alvin L. Cooper, Jr." <coopera@...>
Date: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:29 am
Subject: RE: My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

gsowatch

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Absolutely my pleasure. Y’all are still on my “prayer list” for Beverly’s continuing recovery.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hartsell
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:56
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

thank you Al, I passed it on to her.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alvin L. Cooper, Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:15 PM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

Hi Sherry,

For Japan, try the following link: http://www.aatokyo.org/, Some of the military contacts will have the English speaking meetings for Korea for sure.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hartsell
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 14:12
To: hartsell@etex.net
Subject: [GSOwatch] My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

Anyone have e-mail A.A. contacts for my friend Sandy who is going to be in the following port-cities –the same friend who was seeking Paris France information a while back and you guys provided such a great response, for which we were most appreciative. Sherry c.h.

===========================================================

Hi Sherry,

I'm going on a cruise March 15-31st with another AA. We'll be at the shipboard meetings but...

The ports we'll have a day or more in are: Seoul, So. Korea; Shanghai, China; Hiroshima, Japan; Kyoto/Kobe, Japan; Okinama/Naha, Japan; Ishigaki/Sakishma Islands, Japan; and Taipei/Keelung, Taiwan. The Anonymous Press only gives phone numbers, but thought you might have some e-contacts...

Glad to hear that Beverly is feeling so much better...

Thanks,

Sandra

P.S.: I think I already told you that English speaking AA is alive and kicking in Paris... with most at the meeting regulars, not visitors... and meetings after at local places just like here!

#1991

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:55 am
Subject: RE: My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

sherry_c_h

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thank you Al, I passed it on to her.

Hi Sherry,

For Japan, try the following link: http://www.aatokyo.org/, Some of the military contacts will have the English speaking meetings for Korea for sure.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

===========================================================

Hi Sherry,

I'm going on a cruise March 15-31st with another AA. We'll be at the shipboard meetings but...

Glad to hear that Beverly is feeling so much better...

Thanks,

Sandra

P.S.: I think I already told you that English speaking AA is alive and kicking in Paris... with most at the meeting regulars, not visitors... and meetings after at local places just like here!

#1990

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:55 am
Subject: RE: My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

sherry_c_h

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thank you Al, I passed it on to her.

Hi Sherry,

For Japan, try the following link: http://www.aatokyo.org/, Some of the military contacts will have the English speaking meetings for Korea for sure.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

===========================================================

Hi Sherry,

I'm going on a cruise March 15-31st with another AA. We'll be at the shipboard meetings but...

Glad to hear that Beverly is feeling so much better...

Thanks,

Sandra

P.S.: I think I already told you that English speaking AA is alive and kicking in Paris... with most at the meeting regulars, not visitors... and meetings after at local places just like here!

#1989

From: "Alvin L. Cooper, Jr." <coopera@...>
Date: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:15 pm
Subject: RE: My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

gsowatch

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Hi Sherry,

For Japan, try the following link: http://www.aatokyo.org/, Some of the military contacts will have the English speaking meetings for Korea for sure.

G’ Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hartsell
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 14:12
To: hartsell@...
Subject: [GSOwatch] My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

===========================================================

Hi Sherry,

I'm going on a cruise March 15-31st with another AA. We'll be at the shipboard meetings but...

Glad to hear that Beverly is feeling so much better...

Thanks,

Sandra

P.S.: I think I already told you that English speaking AA is alive and kicking in Paris... with most at the meeting regulars, not visitors... and meetings after at local places just like here!

#1988

From: Antara <antaraaaa@...>
Date: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:36 am
Subject: Re: My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

antaraaaa

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http://www.aashanghai.com/

Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.

#1987

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:26 am
Subject: RE: where is everyone?

sherry_c_h

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Thank you for this response Dennis.

There seems to be no end to the apologists for the NYC bunch, I have noticed the latest one on that List----about the time one gets educated from our archives, another appoints himself, thus the need for a “keeper of the record”, else the new folks would just “Buy” the story put forth by NYC.

Sherry C.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:49 PM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Hi Sherry;

I agree Sherry, the 'I would ask him' was a typo because I copied and pasted that from something else I wrote to some members. I was referring to a guy on the AA History Site that has taken it on himself to be a spokesman for the AAWS spin club. Wayne has already addressed this some years ago and I respect his wishes to just serve his local AA.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: hartsell

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:19 AM

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Dennis, I can tell you that Wayne P. has denied any involvement in the use of his name (misspelled at that) on the form referenced here, and has done so directly to several here (though not necessary to those of us who know him) and especially to our German friend. For those of us who knew Wayne as a dedicated servant of A.A. long before his tenure in NY, as a solid member of the Arkansas Service Structure, as a good and honest business man in the State of Arkansas, and even more importantly, as a personal acquaintance and friend—his denial was not necessary.

If you are suggesting that the folks in NY might be asked what THEY have done to correct the matter, and you are suggesting that our Delegates might be asked to make such inquiries of them, then I would agree, it is a matter long over-due being tended to; but to further aggravate a good man whose name was misused and reputation besmirched, NO! Hell NO!

Sherry C.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:52 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Well here’s some food for thought. I have been communicating and doing a little research with some AA friends when I got reminded of an old issue that has been mentioned here many times. Wgne Parks appearing on the Mexico state documents as the author of the Big Book.

http://gsowatch.aamo.info/aaws/guess_bb.htm.

Without even pointing figures as to how it appeared there, which was used for a criminal case in Mexico, I would ask him if AAWS has taken any steps to correct this obvious error, since it has been over a decade that this was known. Does anyone know if this has ever been corrected? Would be a good thing to ask our Delegates.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1986

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:11 am
Subject: My friend is seeking e-mail A.A. contacts in Orient

sherry_c_h

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===========================================================

Hi Sherry,

I'm going on a cruise March 15-31st with another AA. We'll be at the shipboard meetings but...

Glad to hear that Beverly is feeling so much better...

Thanks,

Sandra

P.S.: I think I already told you that English speaking AA is alive and kicking in Paris... with most at the meeting regulars, not visitors... and meetings after at local places just like here!

#1985

From: "Alvin L. Cooper, Jr." <coopera@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:55 pm
Subject: RE: Amazing

gsowatch

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bbaRyDLMvA

A “mini-meeting” from HP, through you, to ME (well, and a “few” others, haha).

Thanks!

G’ Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Becktell
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 04:21
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GSOwatch] Amazing

this is a bit lengthy but worth watching

#1984

From: "Dennis" <gratefuldennis@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

gratefuldenn...

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Hi Kenny;

I doubt if the supposed litigation cost is correct. On their tax forms in 2005 alone they claim legal fees of $63,373. Does this include travel fees listed or is it separate accounting under �travel fees.� Also �Contracted Services� is $305,370 and how much of that is contracted legal services?

The idea of a typo that was used to raid the offices of Seccion Mexico and sentence a man to a year in jail and giving him a criminal record and the foundation of the lawsuits itself because in Mexico the death of the original claimed author carries a far reduced time on the copyrights to not be public domain is something that is quite serious.

Also as it being an internal problem in which they had noting to do with is contradicted by this letter http://gsowatch.aamo.info/mex/index.htm#(3) (letter 3) from George D. reminding Central Mexicana of their contractual responsibilities to take legal action. He even suggests a few actions to take.

About the AAWS claim that they were just following the group conscience of the fellowship below is a letter I wrote to Elaine some years ago that was never answered.

Letter---------
Elaine McDowell, Ph.D.

Re: Conference action on protecting copyrights.

Dear Elaine:

I have a couple questions regarding your statement to the 2002 Conference regarding the General Service Board protecting AA copyrights and trademarks. The first question is you stated that protection of copyrights is the �legal obligation� of the board, so could you please inform me as to what legalities you were referring to? Is there a law that states one must protect copyrights either within or without of AA? If it is contractual with authors for royalty then is the law, whatever it is, still binding after royalties have expired?

The second question is related to the first. Could you please inform me what Conference action directed the GSB to protect copyrights and trademarks, as you started in your Conference report?

The third question arises from a statement you made previous to the above in mentioning literature and the group conscience. In Germany where, as you are aware, a copyright litigation is going on and the German General Service Conference voted and passed that the Traditions and Concepts were not just suggestions but binding to the German General Service Board, AAeV. The AAeV agreed except the President of AAeV stated he would not apply it to the current litigations although they are opposed to the spirit of the Fifth Warranty of Concept Twelve. So my question is one of policy. If our �one ultimate authority� in AA is a �loving God as He expresses Himself in our group conscience� and that group conscience speaks from the groups through the Conference in a foreign country and the service structure of that country ignores or opposes the voice of the groups does the U.S./Canada General Service Board support the General Service Board of that country or does it support the group conscience of the fellowship of said country if opposing policy exist? Would the General Service Board support actions by foreign GSO�s if they were aware the groups opposed such actions? And finally since AAWS is actively involved with the litigation�s in Germany they cannot take the position that it is an internal problem, so specifically are they going to support the litigation�s that are opposed to the Fifth Warranty and thus oppose the group conscience of the German groups?

I know your time is valuable and I would greatly appreciate if you could address these questions. They will be passed on to others who are also interested in these questions.

Thank you for your time and service to AA,

In Fellowship,

Dennis M.
Grateful member of Back to Basics Group
Van Nuys, California
------------
Peace,

Dennis

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:58 AM

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Sherry,

   How's you wife? I sent a card but it came back undeliverable. Our continued thoughts and prayers.

____________________________________________________________________

   I spoke to Tom Jasper on the phone, I don't know six months ago, about Wayne being on the legal papers in the German Case. He assured me that it was a type-o. In an e mail when I suggested he and his office had not been thoroughly honest with me on a number of matters. In his reply he wanted specifics about my perception of their deception.

How can anyone respond to allegations that are vague and non-specific? How do you know that information that differs from that which you received from GSO is the correct information?
In any case, while none of us is perfect, I would be more than happy to address any questions you have about inaccurate, mistaken or untruthful information that you believe you received from this office, and actually invite such questions.

On 1/22/07 I responded. One of the four items I listed was how this type-o appeared in Germany and Mexico. One where he said New York had NOTHING to do with what happened in Germany. That they were doing what they wanted under autonomy. ( I sent him Elaine McDowel's report stating NY spent $277,000 on that litigation ) More than happy? He has yet to send his response.

                   .....................Kenny

-------Original Message-------

From: hartsell

Date: 2/26/2007 10:30:19 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Dennis, I can tell you that Wayne P. has denied any involvement in the use of his name (misspelled at that) on the form referenced here, and has done so directly to several here (though not necessary to those of us who know him) and especially to our German friend. For those of us who knew Wayne as a dedicated servant of A.A. long before his tenure in NY, as a solid member of the Arkansas Service Structure, as a good and honest business man in the State of Arkansas, and even more importantly, as a personal acquaintance and friend�his denial was not necessary.

If you are suggesting that the folks in NY might be asked what THEY have done to correct the matter, and you are suggesting that our Delegates might be asked to make such inquiries of them, then I would agree, it is a matter long over-due being tended to; but to further aggravate a good man whose name was misused and reputation besmirched, NO! Hell NO!

Sherry C.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:52 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Well here�s some food for thought. I have been communicating and doing a little research with some AA friends when I got reminded of an old issue that has been mentioned here many times. Wgne Parks appearing on the Mexico state documents as the author of the Big Book.

http://gsowatch.aamo.info/aaws/guess_bb.htm.

Without even pointing figures as to how it appeared there, which was used for a criminal case in Mexico, I would ask him if AAWS has taken any steps to correct this obvious error, since it has been over a decade that this was known. Does anyone know if this has ever been corrected? Would be a good thing to ask our Delegates.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1983

From: "Alvin L. Cooper, Jr." <coopera@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:34 pm
Subject: RE: where is everyone?

gsowatch

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What a dilemma for AAWS! Damned for the liars they are if they DON’T correct this error, and damned for the liars they are if they DO correct the error. The situation as I see it: If “Wgne” (mis-spelling of “Wayne”?) Parks has been declared the author of Alcoholics Anonymous, the obviously, Bill Wilson CAN’T be given credit as the “author”, and the U.S. copyrights are null and void in any case…BUT they still “win” the Mexican suit. If “Wgne Parks” is withdrawn as the author of Alcoholics Anonymous, then intentional fraud is most obvious in the Mexican suit, which opens them up to a suit for false imprisonment (amongst many other charges such as perjury).

Perhaps this should be pressed with the AAWS government bodies?

G’ Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 23:52
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Well here’s some food for thought. I have been communicating and doing a little research with some AA friends when I got reminded of an old issue that has been mentioned here many times. Wgne Parks appearing on the Mexico state documents as the author of the Big Book.

Without even pointing figures as to how it appeared there, which was used for a criminal case in Mexico, I would ask him if AAWS has taken any steps to correct this obvious error, since it has been over a decade that this was known. Does anyone know if this has ever been corrected? Would be a good thing to ask our Delegates.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1982

From: "Dennis" <gratefuldennis@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:48 pm
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

gratefuldenn...

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Hi Sherry;

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: hartsell

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 7:19 AM

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Dennis, I can tell you that Wayne P. has denied any involvement in the use of his name (misspelled at that) on the form referenced here, and has done so directly to several here (though not necessary to those of us who know him) and especially to our German friend. For those of us who knew Wayne as a dedicated servant of A.A. long before his tenure in NY, as a solid member of the Arkansas Service Structure, as a good and honest business man in the State of Arkansas, and even more importantly, as a personal acquaintance and friend�his denial was not necessary.

If you are suggesting that the folks in NY might be asked what THEY have done to correct the matter, and you are suggesting that our Delegates might be asked to make such inquiries of them, then I would agree, it is a matter long over-due being tended to; but to further aggravate a good man whose name was misused and reputation besmirched, NO! Hell NO!

Sherry C.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:52 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Well here�s some food for thought. I have been communicating and doing a little research with some AA friends when I got reminded of an old issue that has been mentioned here many times. Wgne Parks appearing on the Mexico state documents as the author of the Big Book.

http://gsowatch.aamo.info/aaws/guess_bb.htm.

Without even pointing figures as to how it appeared there, which was used for a criminal case in Mexico, I would ask him if AAWS has taken any steps to correct this obvious error, since it has been over a decade that this was known. Does anyone know if this has ever been corrected? Would be a good thing to ask our Delegates.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1981

From: "Maryann Willis" <delta_dawn63@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:47 pm
Subject: RE: Amazing

delta_dawn63

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Thank you so much Gary for this. It sure hit something in side of me. I am glad he didn't quite say he was an AA member but anyone who has ever heard of it sure knew including the audience.

Maryann

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Reply-To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
To: <GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [GSOwatch] Amazing
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:20:48 -0700

this is a bit lengthy but worth watching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bbaRyDLMvA

#1980

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:54 pm
Subject: RE: Amazing

sherry_c_h

Offline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bbaRyDLMvA

Thanks Gary, I appreciated the item

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Becktell
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 1:21 PM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GSOwatch] Amazing

this is a bit lengthy but worth watching

#1979

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:20 pm
Subject: Amazing

garkb

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bbaRyDLMvA

this is a bit lengthy but worth watching

#1978

From: Kenny <nobutts@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:16 pm
Subject: Re: RE: Kenny's un-delivered card & update on Beverly's recovery 2-26-07

shelby4ken

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Oh that's the problem. I sent it to the UT health Center on Highway 271.

I'll drop it back in the mail today.

...............Kenny

For some reason, we alcoholics seem to have the gift of picking out the world's finest women. Why they should be subjected to the tortures we inflicted upon them, I cannot explain.

-------Original Message-------

From: hartsell

Date: 2/26/2007 1:02:27 PM

To: hartsell@...

Subject: [GSOwatch] RE: Kenny's un-delivered card & update on Beverly's recovery 2-26-07

I am very sorry your card did not get delivered Kenny.

Our home mail address is

1406 FM 593, Gilmer, TX 75644 and I take mail in and read to her---happily, as of yesterday she wants to read her own mail J, so perhaps it might be more expedient J to send cards directly to her at her hospital.

Beverly is presently in Room # 415

Mother Frances Hospital
800 E Dawson St
Tyler, TX 75701

Jay L. sent her a Card from and signed by his NY A.A. Group which got a big smile and request for second reading by Bev J; it was an incredibly thoughtful gesture by Jay and his group.

Beverly entered the hospital on Jan. 2^nd for scheduled heart valve replacement, surgery was successfully performed on Jan 5^th, she developed a serious infection, then reoccurring lung and respiratory problems which resulted in further weakening her and interfering with her recovery and normal rehab due to weakened state---- Beverly is now breathing without assistance much of the time, though still on Bi-Pap at night, she is eating with a good appetite and though a bit slow in processing and response, is just as quick with her wit and humor as always and determined to get up (requires considerable assistance yet in sitting up or getting onto her feet from bed) and be involved in her rehab process. There is no doubt in Beverly�s (or sherry�s) mind that the prayers of family and uncountable friends from the Christian community and within the Fellowships of Al-anon and A.A. have been of at least equal importance, if not more, to her recovering state as has the truly marvelous medical help received, and for THAT, I am truly appreciative and grateful. Thank you all for caring and for taking the time to let her know, as you have, that she continues to be in your thoughts and prayers.

Sherry c.h.

-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:59 AM
To:
Subject: RE: undelivered card to Beverly

,_._,___

#1977

From: "Gary Becktell" <gk@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

garkb

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According to Elaine McDowell's report to the 2004 GSC: "Legal fees and related expenses over the seven-year period, 1998- 2004, totaled $227,707."

Now that is a lot of nothing. I have calculated it and you can buy an infinite amount of nothing for $227,707. Perhaps ol' Jasper can tell us where they keep all that nothing. And if you could tell him I have more than I need and would be glad to sell AAWS 3-400,000 dollars worth. They have my address, (apparently).

Tell them mine is personally made by Wgne Parks and is of extremely high quality. Guaranteed, or double nothing back.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 9:58 AM

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Sherry,

   How's you wife? I sent a card but it came back undeliverable. Our continued thoughts and prayers.

____________________________________________________________________

   I spoke to Tom Jasper on the phone, I don't know six months ago, about Wayne being on the legal papers in the German Case. He assured me that it was a type-o. In an e mail when I suggested he and his office had not been thoroughly honest with me on a number of matters. In his reply he wanted specifics about my perception of their deception.

How can anyone respond to allegations that are vague and non-specific? How do you know that information that differs from that which you received from GSO is the correct information?
In any case, while none of us is perfect, I would be more than happy to address any questions you have about inaccurate, mistaken or untruthful information that you believe you received from this office, and actually invite such questions.

On 1/22/07 I responded. One of the four items I listed was how this type-o appeared in Germany and Mexico. One where he said New York had NOTHING to do with what happened in Germany. That they were doing what they wanted under autonomy. ( I sent him Elaine McDowel's report stating NY spent $277,000 on that litigation ) More than happy? He has yet to send his response.

                   .....................Kenny

-------Original Message-------

From: hartsell

Date: 2/26/2007 10:30:19 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Dennis, I can tell you that Wayne P. has denied any involvement in the use of his name (misspelled at that) on the form referenced here, and has done so directly to several here (though not necessary to those of us who know him) and especially to our German friend. For those of us who knew Wayne as a dedicated servant of A.A. long before his tenure in NY, as a solid member of the Arkansas Service Structure, as a good and honest business man in the State of Arkansas, and even more importantly, as a personal acquaintance and friend�his denial was not necessary.

If you are suggesting that the folks in NY might be asked what THEY have done to correct the matter, and you are suggesting that our Delegates might be asked to make such inquiries of them, then I would agree, it is a matter long over-due being tended to; but to further aggravate a good man whose name was misused and reputation besmirched, NO! Hell NO!

Sherry C.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:52 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Well here�s some food for thought. I have been communicating and doing a little research with some AA friends when I got reminded of an old issue that has been mentioned here many times. Wgne Parks appearing on the Mexico state documents as the author of the Big Book.

http://gsowatch.aamo.info/aaws/guess_bb.htm.

Without even pointing figures as to how it appeared there, which was used for a criminal case in Mexico, I would ask him if AAWS has taken any steps to correct this obvious error, since it has been over a decade that this was known. Does anyone know if this has ever been corrected? Would be a good thing to ask our Delegates.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

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#1976

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:59 pm
Subject: RE: Kenny's un-delivered card & update on Beverly's recovery 2-26-07

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I am very sorry your card did not get delivered Kenny.

Our home mail address is

Beverly is presently in Room # 415

Mother Frances Hospital
800 E Dawson St
Tyler, TX 75701

Jay L. sent her a Card from and signed by his NY A.A. Group which got a big smile and request for second reading by Bev J; it was an incredibly thoughtful gesture by Jay and his group.

Beverly entered the hospital on Jan. 2^nd for scheduled heart valve replacement, surgery was successfully performed on Jan 5^th, she developed a serious infection, then reoccurring lung and respiratory problems which resulted in further weakening her and interfering with her recovery and normal rehab due to weakened state---- Beverly is now breathing without assistance much of the time, though still on Bi-Pap at night, she is eating with a good appetite and though a bit slow in processing and response, is just as quick with her wit and humor as always and determined to get up (requires considerable assistance yet in sitting up or getting onto her feet from bed) and be involved in her rehab process. There is no doubt in Beverly’s (or sherry’s) mind that the prayers of family and uncountable friends from the Christian community and within the Fellowships of Al-anon and A.A. have been of at least equal importance, if not more, to her recovering state as has the truly marvelous medical help received, and for THAT, I am truly appreciative and grateful. Thank you all for caring and for taking the time to let her know, as you have, that she continues to be in your thoughts and prayers.

Sherry c.h.

-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:59 AM
To:
Subject: RE: undelivered card to Beverly

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#1975

From: Kenny <nobutts@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:58 pm
Subject: RE: where is everyone?

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Sherry,

How's you wife? I sent a card but it came back undeliverable. Our continued thoughts and prayers.

____________________________________________________________________

I spoke to Tom Jasper on the phone, I don't know six months ago, about Wayne being on the legal papers in the German Case. He assured me that it was a type-o. In an e mail when I suggested he and his office had not been thoroughly honest with me on a number of matters. In his reply he wanted specifics about my perception of their deception.

How can anyone respond to allegations that are vague and non-specific? How do you know that information that differs from that which you received from GSO is the correct information?

In any case, while none of us is perfect, I would be more than happy to address any questions you have about inaccurate, mistaken or untruthful information that you believe you received from this office, and actually invite such questions.

On 1/22/07 I responded. One of the four items I listed was how this type-o appeared in Germany and Mexico. One where he said New York had NOTHING to do with what happened in Germany. That they were doing what they wanted under autonomy. ( I sent him Elaine McDowel's report stating NY spent $277,000 on that litigation ) More than happy? He has yet to send his response.

.....................Kenny

-------Original Message-------

From: hartsell

Date: 2/26/2007 10:30:19 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Dennis, I can tell you that Wayne P. has denied any involvement in the use of his name (misspelled at that) on the form referenced here, and has done so directly to several here (though not necessary to those of us who know him) and especially to our German friend. For those of us who knew Wayne as a dedicated servant of A.A. long before his tenure in NY, as a solid member of the Arkansas Service Structure, as a good and honest business man in the State of Arkansas, and even more importantly, as a personal acquaintance and friend�his denial was not necessary.

If you are suggesting that the folks in NY might be asked what THEY have done to correct the matter, and you are suggesting that our Delegates might be asked to make such inquiries of them, then I would agree, it is a matter long over-due being tended to; but to further aggravate a good man whose name was misused and reputation besmirched, NO! Hell NO!

Sherry C.H.

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:52 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

Well here�s some food for thought. I have been communicating and doing a little research with some AA friends when I got reminded of an old issue that has been mentioned here many times. Wgne Parks appearing on the Mexico state documents as the author of the Big Book.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1974

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: where is everyone?

sherry_c_h

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Sherry C.H.

Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1973

From: "Dennis" <gratefuldennis@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:52 pm
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

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Peace,

Dennis M.

----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:16 AM

Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1972

From: "hartsell" <hartsell@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: where is everyone?

sherry_c_h

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PROBLEMS Solved, there are a few situations that need attention most likely J

-----Original Message-----
From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Woodrow Wilson
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:51 AM
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1971

From: Kenny <nobutts@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:16 pm
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

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We're still here but some of us are coated in sticky white stuff.

-------Original Message-------

From: Woodrow Wilson

Date: 2/26/2007 7:52:28 AM

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [GSOwatch] where is everyone?

I have been checking lately and no one seems to be writing, is there a
problem?

#1970

From: "Woodrow Wilson" <dragonwalkerconcepts@...>
Date: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:51 pm
Subject: where is everyone?

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#1968

From: "bruce johanson" <bajohanson@...>
Date: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:24 am
Subject: Re: Passing of Nell Wing

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For anyone interested

A mother consoled her little boy whose cat had died. "Tabby is in heaven with God now," she said. The little boy, quick as a wink asked, "What would God want with a dead cat?"

From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amytreau
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:26 PM
To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Passing of Nell Wing

Dear Friends:

It is with great sadness that we share the news
that Nell Wing died on Wednesday, February 14,
2007 at 7:00 p.m. after a lengthy illness. Nell
was 89 years old.

As most of you know, Nell was Bill W.'s secretary
and assistant for 17 years and a close friend
and long-time companion to Lois W. She worked
at the General Service Office of A.A. from the
beginning of 1947 until her retirement at the
close of 1982, starting as a receptionist and
later becoming secretary of A.A. World Services,
Inc. Additionally, she served as G.S.O.'s first
archivist for the last ten of her years at the
office. The Archives opened in 1975.

We would like to take a moment to celebrate
Nell's life and share the following:

From Markings, November/December 1983, when
Nell announced her retirement in print:
"…I hope to stay nearby; and never lessen
interest in this fellowship, nor loosen the
close bonds of friendship with my A.A. and
Al-Anon friends. I'm forever grateful for this
marvelous experience that began for me on
March 3, 1947, at 415 Lexington Ave., New York
City, in 3 small rooms of the Central Terminal
Building. I have enjoyed and treasured every
moment of it. I won't say `goodbye:' just want
to extend my love and thanks to each one of
you dear friends."

Please join all of us at the General Service
Office in extending our heartfelt condolences
to Nell's family.

Thank you,

Amy Filiatreau
Archivist
AA World Services, Inc.
filiatreaua@aa.org

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#1967

From: "Enrique Montes" <ejmontes@...>
Date: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Regards & Question

ejmontes

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Thanks Norm.

Best regards.

2007/2/14, Norm <kohl@...>:

http://gsowatch.aamo.info/aaws/royalty.htm

Bless,

Norm D.

----- Original Message -----

From: Enrique Montes

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:14 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] Regards & Question

Hello to all Watchers,

I�m from Caguas Puerto Rico and I�m alcoholic.

I�m looking for information about the Bill W. Testaments and Loyalties Agreement with AAWS, can you help me?

Thanks in advance.

Happy Valentines Day

Best regards.

Enrique.

--
Enrique J. Montes C.

........ El Conocimiento que no se comparte eventualmente se pierde

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#1966

From: Paul Stapley <spaulski@...>
Date: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: It's working

spaulski

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thanks so much for Whoever is in charge. I would surely miss all the help I get from this place. Love to all, Paul.

"Alvin L. Cooper, Jr." <coopera@...> wrote:

Looks like we�re back in business. Kind of like the old three stooges when Larry was asked to look at the lights while Moe turned on the turn-signal �It�s working�it�s NOT working�it�s working�etc.� We now return you to your regularly scheduled programme.

G� Bless,

Al C.

From: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maryann Willis
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 14:18
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Re: GSOWatch representation

I received a message yesterday that my mail had bounced from this site.

Maryann

From: Paul Stapley <spaulski@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [GSOwatch] Re: GSOWatch representation
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:00:22 -0800 (PST)

Hi All,

I have been missing the posts and wondered if there was something wrong. Paul

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#1965

From: "Norm" <kohl@...>
Date: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:56 am
Subject: Re: Regards & Question

newkohl

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http://gsowatch.aamo.info/aaws/royalty.htm

Bless,

Norm D.

----- Original Message -----

From: Enrique Montes

To: GSOwatch@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:14 AM

Subject: [GSOwatch] Regards & Question

Hello to all Watchers,

I�m from Caguas Puerto Rico and I�m alcoholic.

I�m looking for information about the Bill W. Testaments and Loyalties Agreement with AAWS, can you help me?

Thanks in advance.

Happy Valentines Day

Best regards.

Enrique.

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#1964

From: "Enrique Montes" <ejmontes@...>
Date: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:14 pm
Subject: Regards & Question

ejmontes

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Hello to all Watchers,

I�m from Caguas Puerto Rico and I�m alcoholic.

I�m looking for information about the Bill W. Testaments and Loyalties Agreement with AAWS, can you help me?

Thanks in advance.

Happy Valentines Day

Best regards.

Enrique.

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#1963

From: "Alvin L. Cooper, Jr." <coopera@...>
Date: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:26 am
Subject: It's working

gsowatch

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