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#8749 From: mommy2baron@...
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 8:11 am
Subject: Check out Moms Against Fluoridation | The evidence is now in: 1940s science i
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#8750 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 10:46 am
Subject: How safe is fluoride?
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How safe is fluoride?

Donna Mayne, The Windsor Star

Published: Thursday, September 01, 2011

Re: What comes after fluoride? Chlorine? By Dr. Pasquale Duronio, Aug. 24.

Residents served by Windsor Utilities are indeed fortunate to drink water that is parasitefree. Chlorine helps ensure that. However, as Dr. Duronio well knows, fluoridation has nothing to do with water purification.

It is the practice of taking cleaned water and adding a bio-accumulative toxin called hydrofluorosilicic acid. Its purpose, we are led to believe, is to prevent tooth decay. How can any amount of a substance that is more toxic than lead be considered safe when it accumulates in your body over your lifetime?

Many municipalities in Ontario encourage residents to drink tap water because, they believe, it's safe and healthy.Some health care professionals say fluoride in water helps fight tooth decay. Others say fluoridation is toxic and leads to health problems.View Larger Image View Larger Image

Many municipalities in Ontario encourage residents to drink tap water because, they believe, it's safe and healthy.Some health care professionals say fluoride in water helps fight tooth decay. Others say fluoridation is toxic and leads to health problems.

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When lacking variable controlled science to back their claims, promoters of fluoridation, like Dr. Duronio, must resort to melodrama and ridicule of those opposing fluoridation. Perhaps he should watch the video Professional Perspectives on Water Fluoridation before insinuating fluoride is safe and effective.

Dr. William Marcus, senior toxicologist with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency cites concerns with fluoridation "not just on the cancer data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis, mutagenicity and other effects."

The Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment also opposes water fluoridation and the Fluoride Action Network has gathered nearly 4,000 signatures from scientists and medical professionals against water fluoridation. All lunatics, Dr. Duronio? I think not. I wonder how many of our elderly suffer hip fractures exacerbated by fluoridation, or how many people undergoing kidney dialysis would have been better off without it? The American Dental Association and Centre for Disease Control are now warning parents not to administer fluoridated water to infants or use fluoridated water to mix baby formula.

The Clean Water Act of 2006 requires immediate action be taken against significant threats to public drinking water supplies. It also directs communities to protect their drinking water. Wilfully adding toxic substances to our drinking water is inconsistent with the protection of our drinking water supply. Decades ago, our municipal government made the decision to "medicate" residents of Windsor, LaSalle and Tecumseh without individual informed consent. The Precautionary Principle states that if an action or policy has a suspected risk of causing harm to the public or to the environment, in the absence of scientific consensus that the action or policy is harmful, the burden of proof that it is not harmful falls on those taking the action.

Under the PP, city councillors are obligated to demand immediate suspension of water fluoridation, resuming the practice only when Windsor Utilities can provide scientifically sound documentation that demonstrates hydrofluorosilicic acid is both safe for human consumption and effective at reducing tooth decay.

DONNA MAYNE, Windsor




#8751 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 10:51 am
Subject: Limit Fluoride to Prevent Lead Poisoning, study says
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http://www.epidemiology2010gerben.org/epidemiology/studies/limit-fluoride-to-prevent-lead-poisoning-study-says/

 

Limit Fluoride to Prevent Lead Poisoning, study says

 

Fluoride chemicals added to public water supplies, boosts lead absorption in lab animals' bones, teeth and blood, report Sawan, et al. (Toxicology 2/2010). Earlier studies already show children's blood-lead-levels are higher in fluoridated communities, reports Sawan's research team.

"…exposure to increased amounts of lead and fluoride occurs at about the same age (1-3 years)… Therefore, this is a critical time when systemic exposure to fluoride should be minimized since fluoride may increase lead accumulation," the researchers caution.

Low-level lead exposure is associated with lower IQ, ADHD and many health and behavior ailments. Fluoride chemicals are added to 70% of US public water supplies and virtually 100% of the food supply

NSF International is a private company that regulates public water supply additives. February 2008 NSF reported that 2% of the 245 fluoridation chemicals sampled from 2000 to 2006 had detectable levels of Lead. (There are approximately 155,000 US public water supplies.) Lead is an allowable trace contaminant in fluoridation chemicals along with antimony, arsenic, barium, beryllium, cadmium, chromium, copper, mercury, selenium, and thallium. See:

http://www.nsf.org/business/water_distribution/pdf/NSF_Fact_Sheet.pdf

Sawan's team put fluosilicic acid, with and without lead, into lab animals' drinking water. They found more lead in tooth enamel, surface bone, whole bone, and tooth dentine in rats co-exposed to fluoride and lead.

Possibly anticipating criticism that rats were fed higher fluoride-concentrated water than people drink, the authors write, "this concentration was chosen because it produces plasma fluoride levels that are comparable with those commonly found in humans…"

Increased prevalence and severity of fluoride-discolored teeth (fluorosis) proves US children are already fluoride-overexposed "which may cause their blood-lead levels to increase and produce more lead toxicity," they write.

"These findings suggest that a biological effect, not recognized so far, may underlie the epidemiological association between increased blood-lead levels in children and water fluoridation," concludes Sawan's research team.

"[O]ur findings may have serious implications for populations exposed to increased amounts of both lead and fluoride, particularly young children," the research team writes.

Attorney Paul Beeber, President, New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation (NYSCOF) says, "People need to lobby and petition their legislators to stop fluoridation in their towns, cities and states. Legislators are ignoring the science proving fluoridation is endangering our health, our water supplies and wasting tax dollars while denying freedom of choice." (see: http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/sitemap.html )

Masters and Coplan's landmark studies show higher blood-lead-levels in children living in silico-fluoridated communities (Neurotoxicology 2000, 2007). Macek's research shows children's higher blood-lead-levels are associated with water fluoridation when lead is already in the environment (Environmental Health Perspectives, 2006).

Some fluoridation chemicals originate in China, Mexico and Japan, reports the CDC. ABC-TV Boston reported that a Massachusetts city was forced to discontinue fluoridation because Chinese fluoridation chemicals were clogging up the water system with an unidentifiable contaminant.



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#8752 From: MRN Olenick <mrn_olenic@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 2:59 pm
Subject: RE: 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F
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It's called propaganda placement (like product placement).  In The Fluoride Deception,
Nile Southern, son of the "Strangelove" scriptwriter, alludes briefly to how his father and producer/director Stanley Kubrick were gulled on this.  I don't have the book in front of me so I can't give you the page, but you'll find Nile Southern in the index.
 
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--- On Wed, 8/31/11, Aliss <aliss@...> wrote:

From: Aliss <aliss@...>
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 9:26 PM

 

Ah, I did NOT know that. So the Dr. Strangelove stuff was actually reflecting the current events of the time…. How strange…

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 1:14 PM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe?
The communist parties and their numerous front groups were heavily involved in F promotion, according to records discovered at the Congressional library by Dean Murphy-- The Devils Poison author
Of course, you know that

 


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us

Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition




 

 


From: Aliss <aliss@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 12:37:18 PM
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

And why did it not succeed then? My guess is that industry intervened and got all the relevant government agencies (IOM, NRC, NIH, CDC), waterworkers (AWWA), dental and medical associations, clubs, trade unions and PTA moms, to endorse fluoridation “for the sake of raising healthy children”. Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe? When people are persuaded emotionally by a lie such as that poor defenseless kids will be saved from suffering cavities by a simple salt added in the most minute amount man can (mis)measure, and it can even be done in public schools if the people don’t want the whole town to have it, the decision is almost impossible to reverse with facts later, no matter how scientifically irrefutable.

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 10:55 AM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com; fluoride-class-action@yahoogroups.com; wa_action_for_safe_water@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Interesting. I just read a few of the pages. Same arguments today

http://ia600303.us.archive.org/7/items/fluoridationofwa00unit/fluoridationofwa00unit.pdf

 38 Mb-- pdf for Hearing on Federal bill to ban F in water 1954


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us
Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition


 


#8753 From: MRN Olenick <mrn_olenic@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F
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Here's another example of 1950's-'60's style propaganda placement, from the Saturday Evening Post (wish I'd noted down the date).  I stumbled across it accidentally while clearing out piles of old magazines my mother had saved over many decades.  No doubt there were plenty more that I missed.
 
Rae 

--- On Wed, 8/31/11, Aliss <aliss@...> wrote:

From: Aliss <aliss@...>
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 9:26 PM

 

Ah, I did NOT know that. So the Dr. Strangelove stuff was actually reflecting the current events of the time…. How strange…

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 1:14 PM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe?
The communist parties and their numerous front groups were heavily involved in F promotion, according to records discovered at the Congressional library by Dean Murphy-- The Devils Poison author
Of course, you know that

 


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us

Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition




 

 


From: Aliss <aliss@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 12:37:18 PM
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

And why did it not succeed then? My guess is that industry intervened and got all the relevant government agencies (IOM, NRC, NIH, CDC), waterworkers (AWWA), dental and medical associations, clubs, trade unions and PTA moms, to endorse fluoridation “for the sake of raising healthy children”. Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe? When people are persuaded emotionally by a lie such as that poor defenseless kids will be saved from suffering cavities by a simple salt added in the most minute amount man can (mis)measure, and it can even be done in public schools if the people don’t want the whole town to have it, the decision is almost impossible to reverse with facts later, no matter how scientifically irrefutable.

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 10:55 AM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com; fluoride-class-action@yahoogroups.com; wa_action_for_safe_water@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Interesting. I just read a few of the pages. Same arguments today

http://ia600303.us.archive.org/7/items/fluoridationofwa00unit/fluoridationofwa00unit.pdf

 38 Mb-- pdf for Hearing on Federal bill to ban F in water 1954


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us
Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition


 


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#8754 From: David M Augenstein <daugenstein@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F [1 Attachment]
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Here are some good cartoons http://www.fluorideaustralia.org/cartoon.asp
 

Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us
Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition








From: MRN Olenick <mrn_olenic@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 1, 2011 11:15:00 AM
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F [1 Attachment]

 

Here's another example of 1950's-'60's style propaganda placement, from the Saturday Evening Post (wish I'd noted down the date).  I stumbled across it accidentally while clearing out piles of old magazines my mother had saved over many decades.  No doubt there were plenty more that I missed.
 
Rae 

--- On Wed, 8/31/11, Aliss <aliss@...> wrote:

From: Aliss <aliss@...>
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 9:26 PM

 

Ah, I did NOT know that. So the Dr. Strangelove stuff was actually reflecting the current events of the time…. How strange…

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 1:14 PM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe?
The communist parties and their numerous front groups were heavily involved in F promotion, according to records discovered at the Congressional library by Dean Murphy-- The Devils Poison author
Of course, you know that

 


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://livingfood.us/

Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition




 

 


From: Aliss <aliss@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 12:37:18 PM
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

And why did it not succeed then? My guess is that industry intervened and got all the relevant government agencies (IOM, NRC, NIH, CDC), waterworkers (AWWA), dental and medical associations, clubs, trade unions and PTA moms, to endorse fluoridation “for the sake of raising healthy children”. Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe? When people are persuaded emotionally by a lie such as that poor defenseless kids will be saved from suffering cavities by a simple salt added in the most minute amount man can (mis)measure, and it can even be done in public schools if the people don’t want the whole town to have it, the decision is almost impossible to reverse with facts later, no matter how scientifically irrefutable.

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 10:55 AM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com; fluoride-class-action@yahoogroups.com; wa_action_for_safe_water@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Interesting. I just read a few of the pages. Same arguments today

http://ia600303.us.archive.org/7/items/fluoridationofwa00unit/fluoridationofwa00unit.pdf

 38 Mb-- pdf for Hearing on Federal bill to ban F in water 1954


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us
Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition


 


#8755 From: "Aliss" <aliss@...>
Date: Thu Sep 1, 2011 4:08 pm
Subject: RE: 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F [1 Attachment]
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This is a revelation.

So, enthusiasm for fluoridation was common ground between Republicans, Democrats and Communists, but strategically the support for fluoridation from communist groups was exaggerated into a “plot” that was ridiculed, and then used to isolate their politics further from mainstream America, then mock and satirize all other opposition to fluoridation? That is one helluva public relations strategy. I still can’t figure it out. Usually if a reviled and denigrated group or person is FOR something, it makes that something a whole lot less attractive to voters.

Yet so many human rights, pay equity, health care, maternity leave, public pension and gender equality laws came out of those American “commie” union groups and were adopted by Europe and Canada, so mainstream now.

What could it have been about the campaign to promote fluoridation that made it appealing to people whether they were socialists, capitalists, middle Americans, right wing Christians, Catholics, Jews, agnostics, blacks, immigrants, young, old, learned or not? There has never been a religion or political party or belief system about anything, ever, that so easily captured a majority to the point of making it a dominant feature of public health policy in so many areas of the world. Yet the US remains the only G20 country with no paid maternity leave.

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MRN Olenick
Sent: September-01-11 11:15 AM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from MRN Olenick included below]

Here's another example of 1950's-'60's style propaganda placement, from the Saturday Evening Post (wish I'd noted down the date).  I stumbled across it accidentally while clearing out piles of old magazines my mother had saved over many decades.  No doubt there were plenty more that I missed.

 

Rae 

--- On Wed, 8/31/11, Aliss <aliss@...> wrote:


From: Aliss <aliss@...>
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 9:26 PM

 

Ah, I did NOT know that. So the Dr. Strangelove stuff was actually reflecting the current events of the time…. How strange…

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 1:14 PM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe?
The communist parties and their numerous front groups were heavily involved in F promotion, according to records discovered at the Congressional library by Dean Murphy-- The Devils Poison author
Of course, you know that

 


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us
Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition


 

 

 


From: Aliss <aliss@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, August 31, 2011 12:37:18 PM
Subject: RE: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

And why did it not succeed then? My guess is that industry intervened and got all the relevant government agencies (IOM, NRC, NIH, CDC), waterworkers (AWWA), dental and medical associations, clubs, trade unions and PTA moms, to endorse fluoridation “for the sake of raising healthy children”. Who didn’t endorse fluoridation back then? The UnAmerican commies and KKK maybe? When people are persuaded emotionally by a lie such as that poor defenseless kids will be saved from suffering cavities by a simple salt added in the most minute amount man can (mis)measure, and it can even be done in public schools if the people don’t want the whole town to have it, the decision is almost impossible to reverse with facts later, no matter how scientifically irrefutable.

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David M Augenstein
Sent: August-31-11 10:55 AM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com; fluoride-class-action@yahoogroups.com; wa_action_for_safe_water@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] 1954 Congress hearing on federal bill to ban F

 

 

Interesting. I just read a few of the pages. Same arguments today

http://ia600303.us.archive.org/7/items/fluoridationofwa00unit/fluoridationofwa00unit.pdf

 38 Mb-- pdf for Hearing on Federal bill to ban F in water 1954


Mr. Augie

David Michael Augenstein, MS, P.Eng.
Publisher/Speaker/Consultant--Real Food, Health and Environment
Ohio-based A3
http://LivingFood.us
Journal of Whole Food and Nutrition


 


#8756 From: Olemara Peters <claricom@...>
Date: Fri Sep 2, 2011 5:33 pm
Subject: Fwd: White House Announces petition platform
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THE WHITE HOUSE
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 1, 2011
 
White House Announces We the People
New Online Engagement Feature Invites Public To Petition The White House

Today, the White House announced We the People, a new online engagement feature.  On this innovative WhiteHouse.gov platform, individuals will be able to create and sign petitions seeking action from the federal government on a range of issues. If a petition gathers enough signatures, White House staff will review it, ensure it is sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.  
 
Visitors to WhiteHouse.gov can begin submitting petitions later this month.  To sign up for an alert when it launches and preview the feature, visit http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/WeThePeople <http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/WeThePeople> .
 
“When I ran for this office, I pledged to make government more open and accountable to its citizens.  That’s what the new We the People feature on WhiteHouse.gov is all about – giving Americans a direct line to the White House on the issues and concerns that matter most to them,” said President Obama.
 
To create and build support for a petition, WhiteHouse.gov visitors will simply need to create an account and gather signatures by reaching out to friends, family and coworkers. If a petition reaches a certain threshold – the initial level will be 5,000 signatures within 30 days – it will be sent to the appropriate policy makers throughout the Administration, reviewed, and an official response will be published to WhiteHouse.gov and emailed to all signers of the petition.
 
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#8757 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Sun Sep 4, 2011 11:10 am
Subject: The Bush EPA and Fluoride
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The following is a second excerpt from my submission to New Plymouth District Council on fluoridation. It describes a study the Bush EPA commissioned from the National Research Council that has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media.

Dental fluorosis - present in 41% of US teenagers

Dental fluorosis - present in 41% of US teenagers

The EPA Commissions the National Research Council Study

In 2003 the EPA commissioned the National Research Council (part of the National Academy of Sciences) to examine all the peer reviewed research to make a determination whether an upper limit of 8 mg of fluoride (eight glasses of water with a fluoride concentration of 4 mg/litre) was still within the margin of safety. The NRC came back with the recommendation that 8 mg (4 mg/litre) was definitely too high – as patients were experiencing clear symptoms of chronic fluoride poisoning at this dose. Based on the high probability that Americans drinking fluoridated water were suffering serious and irreversible health damage, they also urgently recommended that the EPA ban water fluoridation until the safe threshold (based on urine fluoride measurements) could be determined.

Dental Fluorosis in 41% of American Teenagers

The most obvious evidence of low level fluoride poisoning is a condition known as dental fluorosis, an irreversible condition causing demineralization of the teeth, characterized by staining, pitting and flaking. Dental fluorosis is present in 41% of American children drinking fluoridated water (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db53.htm).

Studies of the biochemical processes that cause fluorosis demonstrate quite clearly that it's an irreversible demineralization of the tooth enamel. Despite claims to the contrary, this is not merely a "cosmetic" problem. As the European Union Scientific Committee on Health and Environmental Research reports in their 2010-2011 review, there are peer reviewed studies linking it with Stage II skeletal fluorosis – a demineralization of the bones causing a weakening of the bone matrix.

The Bush EPA Declines to Act

Under the extremely anti-scientific administration of George W. Bush, the EPA totally ceased to perform any regulatory function in maintaining clear air or water standards. Their failure to act on the NRC's urgent recommendations resulted in highly publicized protest action by eleven EPA unions representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals

The following is from their 2005 press release:

"Studies in animals and human populations suggest that fluoride exposure, at levels that are experienced by a significant proportion of the population whose drinking water is fluoridated, may have adverse impacts on the developing brain. Though no final conclusions may be reached from available data, the findings are provocative and of significant public health concern. Perhaps most surprising is the relative sparseness of data addressing the central question of whether or not this chemical, which is intentionally added to drinking water, may interfere with normal brain development and function. Focused research should address this important matter urgently." (http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/Press%20Release.%20Fluoride.htm)

Below are perspectives of NRC panel members on their three year review:

"The difference between the levels of fluoride causing toxic effects and the levels added to water to prevent tooth decay is vanishingly small and deeply troubling." Dr. J. William Hirzy, Vice President, Environmental Protection Agency's Headquarters Union, Washington DC.

"l personally feel that the NRC report is relevant to many aspects of the water fluoridation debate… [T]he report discusses the wide range of drinking water intake among members of the population, which means that groups with different fluoride concentrations in their drinking water may still have overlapping distributions of individual fluoride exposure. In other words, the range of individual fluoride exposures at 1 mg/L will overlap the range of individual exposures at 2 mg/L or even 4 mg/L. Thus, even without consideration of differences in individual susceptibility to various effects, the margin of safety between 1 and 4 mg/L is very low." Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, NRC Panel Member.

"In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than beneficial is now overwhelming and policy makers who avoid thoroughly reviewing recent data before introducing new fluoridation schemes do so at risk of future litigation." Dr. Hardy Limeback, NRC Panel Member.

NRC Findings Regarding Hypothyroidism, Brain Damage, Bone Cancer and Skeletal Fluorosis

The NRC Review also found a very strong link between water fluoridation and hypothyroidism, bone cancer in boys, brain damage (manifesting as low IQ, learning disability, memory problems and hyperactivity) and mild to moderate skeletal fluorosis (manifesting as arthritis, osteoporosis and increased fracture rates).

Only seven (mainly English speaking) countries continue to fluoridate water. At present Fluoride-free Taranaki is seeking to end water fluoridation here in New Plymouth. You can follow our progress on our Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/groups/207748655919333/ . The site is updated every time a local citizens group pressures their city or town to end fluoridation. Ninety-eight percent of Europe and 60 US cities have banned water fluoridation. If you're still drinking fluoridated tap water, contact the Fluoride Action Network at http://www.fluoridealert.org/

My full submission is eighteen pages long with twenty-one appendices. People can message me if they want a copy of the full document.

 

 

 


#8758 From: mommy2baron@...
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 6:34 am
Subject: The Great Culling--Documentary about Fluoride
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> From: "Forbidden Knowledge TV" <newsletter@...>
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> Subject: 'The Great Culling' - Documentary About Fluoride
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>> Paul Wittenberger, producer and director of the
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>> is 6 months into the production of his latest film,
>> 'The Great Culling,' which explores the water
>> fluoridation controversy and the direct connection
>> between heavy metal toxicity and the growing
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#8759 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 8:35 am
Subject: ‘Dr Mckay fluoride’
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Fluoridated water…friend or foe?

When I decided to research this post on fluoride, I did so with a yawn. I really didn't expect to find anything shocking or discover concrete evidence on either side.

fluoride safety

This ad is from the company, ALCOA, an aluminum plant, that started it all. Sodium fluoride is ALCOA's chemical waste product.

Man, was I wrong…
Let me preface this post by saying I strictly avoided websites and articles from "fringe fanatics" on either end. Odd thing was, I didn't need any information other than what was available via the US government's own websites to make the case to prove what a farce the whole "we need fluoride in our water" case really is.

What is fluoride?

Fluoride is a chemical. It occurs naturally in foods, natural minerals and soil, and it is produced artificially by chemical synthesis and as a by-product of computer, fertilizer, and aluminum production. It is found paired with other elements like sodium.

How did fluoride find its way into our drinking water?

We go back over 80 years ago, to 1931, where a small Colorado population was noted to have brown stained teeth and were subsequently studied to find out the cause. The cause, it was discovered, was ingestion of too much fluoride due to the fact that the town was located next to an aluminum factory. (Fluoride is a waste by-product of aluminum production). Some initial studies also indicated , surprisingly, that the brown teeth were resistant to tooth decay, but the results were not conclusive.

While a dentist, Dr McKay, discovered this fact, and tried to keep it under his hat until more studies could be conducted, the word spread "somehow" to the US government back east of his findings.
A scientist, Trendley Dean, from the "Public Health Service", was sent west to investigate it. His boss, a Mr. Andrew Mellon, Secretary of the United States Treasury at the time, was also was the founder and controlling shareholder of …wait for it….ALCOA…the very aluminum factory that caused the brown teeth in Colorado.

As mentioned before, some of the research suggested that the teeth, while brown and mottled, did not have the level of decay that was found in the general public.

So let's review…. you have a factory, owned by a US government official, belching a chemical by-product into the water supply that was affecting children's teeth by turning them brown. The teeth, although brown, were somewhat resistant to decay. It isn't surprising to learn, when you look at the players, that somehow this situation was "spun" from a company causing a dental illness to residents, into a profit making plan.
Mr Mellon, if he played his cards right, could market his factory's "chemical by-product waste, fluoride" and sell it back to the US government as a "beneficial water treatment for the American public". Smart guy.

I have to laugh at the absurdity of it all.

Mellon had his associate Gerald Cox immediately begin a campaign in the US to introduce fluoride into the water supply in the interest of "public health". He began by getting all the dentists and dental associations on board. Even though the data was not complete of even consistent, Cox's campaign was successful.
(I guess it didn't matter that until this point, fluoride compounds were marketed as rat and roach poison.)

So at the same time the original researcher, Dr. McKay was trying to limit the amount of fluoride in the water supply and inform about the dangers of too much fluoride, Mr Cox was campaigning to have it added it to the entire country's water supply!
(Of note is that Andrew Mellon was almost impeached for other reasons. He resigned to another position right before the House Judiciary Committee could vote.)

The first town to have fluoride added was Grand Rapids Michigan in 1945. The only problem was, scientists didn't tell the residents they were doing an experiment on them. Over the next 5 years, the tooth decay incidence declined in Grand Rapids. the scientists had their so called evidence and soon water was fluoridated everywhere.

fluoride toothpaste toxic
Because there was no FDA or any regulatory commission for drugs, fluoride toothpaste went into rapid production. To this day, even though fluoride is found in hundreds of products, and is written as a prescription for infants, it has never been studied or approved by the FDA for use in anyone. But that's OK, because you can trust the US government, right?.

Some contradictions (and that's putting it mildly)

In 2006, the US government asked a large independent team of experts from across the country to form a committee to look at the safety of fluoride in water. There were separate groups to look at the risk of cancer, the risk of birth defects, etc. Their report, entitled "Fluoride in Drinking Water: A scientific review of the EPS standards", looked at all the data from day one. You can read the entire report here. (all 330-something pages)

The result of their study caused the EPA to lower their recommendation for fluoride additives in January of this year (2011) from 1.2/ppm (part per million) to 0.7/ppm. their reasons are clear:

  • there is definite evidence that shows fluoride intake above 0.7 ppm (or 4 mg/L.. milligrams of fluoride per Liter of fluid) causes increased risk of bone fractures.
  • there is evidence that fluoride intake above 4 mg/L causes fluorosis, or browning, pitting and mottling of the tooth enamel in developing teeth.
  • they found no significant evidence linking fluoride and cancer, but recommended that further studies be done due to conflicting results. It states: "the evidence on the potential of fluoride to initiate or promote cancers, particularly of the bone, is tentative and mixed and that, overall, the literature does not clearly indicate that fluoride either is or is not carcinogenic in humans."

So how much fluoride is on your toothbrush when you fill it with fluoride toothpaste?

About 5000 ppm!!

The EPA figures its recommended levels based on a person drinking 2 liters of water per day. If you drink more than that, your exposure is greater. I know I drink more than 2 liters on many days. (It's flippin' hot here in the south)Today in society, about 40% of all dental patients have some form of fluorosis or evidence of excess fluoride intake, dentists say. Does that mean 40% of all dental patients are at increased risk of bone fractures as adults? It's quite possible. (buy your Boniva stock now)

The current CDC's website on fluoride safety states:

The weight of the peer-reviewed scientific evidence does not support an association between water fluoridation and any adverse health effect or systemic disorder, including an increased risk for…. bone fracture.

But the current EPA's website states:

Adults exposed to excessive consumption of fluoride over a lifetime may have increased likelihood of bone fractures, and may result in effects on bone leading to pain and tenderness.

and then there's:

Based on the data evaluated in this risk assessment, EPA concludes that it is likely that some children 8 and younger are exposed to too much fluoride.
(according to recent dental estimates, it's 40%…that's more than just "some")

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) "regulates the amount of fluoride that may be present in public water supplies to protect against fluoride's adverse health effects." There wouldn't be any adverse health effects from too much if it wasn't added in the first place.

The EPA states that fluoride is everywhere, and if it wasn't safe, we would see adverse effects. They state it's in tea, milk sugar, potatoes etc. and now that toothpastes and mouthwashes have fluoride, the levels added to water can be reduced. If it's everywhere, why does it need to be added to our water at all?

The EPA states that "many countries have also adopted fluoride additives to the water supply", Argentina (21%), Australia (61%), Brazil (41%), Canada (43%), Chile (40%), Colombia (80%), Israel (75%), Malaysia (70%), New Zealand (61%), and Singapore (100%). Of the Western European countries, the Republic of Ireland (73%), Spain (10%), and the United Kingdom (10%) as well.

But they don't tell you that only 13 countries still participate. Most have stopped because of public skepticism about the safety of the program.

On the EPA's site they admit there are "research gaps regarding the effects of long-term exposure to increased levels of fluoride." If there are research gaps shouldn't they be investigated before you have everyone in the country drinking it?

The CDC and the EPA have a goal to get 75% of the entire country drinking fluorinated water.

Is water fluoride safe?

Drinking lots of water? Are you helping or hurting your health?


How can I get rid of the fluoride in my water?

The only way to rid your tap water of fluoride is by distilling it or reverse osmosis (reverse osmosis in a home could run about $5000 – $10,000.) Charcoal filters do nothing.

Then there's bottled water. The FDA says bottled water can contain up to 1.4 mg/L of fluoride. That's more than the EPA currently recommends for tap water. And there's really no way of knowing how much fluoride is in your bottled water when you buy it.

What's my fluoride tap water level?

If you live in the USA, you can click here to look up your county's water quality report. I just looked at mine, and fluoride is listed as a "contaminant" right alongside lead. The level was 1.02 mg/L which is higher than the new standards of 0.7 mg/L. I'm not happy. But since the EPA only recommends and does not enforce, there's nothing I can do other than dig a well.

Check to see where your state falls in the fluoride chart.

Conclusion

Fact: Fluoride reduces the amount of cavities in teeth at certain levels, but we don't know what the lowest level to be effective is.

Fact: We are getting enough fluoride in our daily intake of other foods, and the environment. See this study.

Fact: Fluoride accumulates over time in your body's system, and the longterm effects of this chemical has never been studied.

Fact: Regular moderate levels, like those seen across the country, can cause increased risk of bone fractures and crippling skeletal fluorosis involving bone deformities, pain and immobility in adults.

Fact: 40% of children show evidence of too much fluoride intake based on the incidence of 40% fluorosis or browning of the teeth.

Fact: Federal agencies can only recommend fluoride levels, they cannot enforce standards for safe levels.

Fact: You do not have the freedom to choose to "opt out" of the country's fluoride program unless you treat your water again when it enters your home. Unlike the government's program to put iodine in salt, I can't choose not to drink water.

Fact: The EPA's "Safe Drinking Water Act" is a bunch of crap. According to their own standards, my water isn't "safe" and there's nothing anyone can do about it. How is that providing me with safe water?

Fact: The EPA lists fluoride on its "contaminants" list right alongside uranium, lead and e.coli. The government is intentionally adding a "contaminant" to your drinking water, and then monitoring "harmful levels" of the stuff.

Fact: Fluoride toothpaste is toxic. You should only use a pea sized amount when supervising children's brushing. A child would die if they ingested the majority of a tube of toothpaste. If I had small children, I would have them using a non-fluoride toothpaste if they are drinking the tap water daily and seeing their dentist regularaly.

When your kids go to the dentist, do they really need an extra fluoride treatment? I say no. (…and I just deal with the looks I get from the hygienist with a smile.)

How do you like you water now?


References:

Dentists react to FDA's fluoride recommendation

EPA's site on fluoride
CDC Health effects of fluoride

CDC Community fluoride facts
News from the National Academies
Original 1950 report on fluoride


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Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 8:59 am
Subject: Fluoride: Who Supplies Your Poison?
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Fluoride: Who Supplies Your Poison?

Posted: 14th May 2011 by MaxWild in Documentary, GeoPolitics & Global Warfare, Health & Nutrition
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By The Ghost of Sir Edward CokeIG Farben factory in Monowitz (near Auschwitz)...

You and your family are being slowly poisoned, poisoned with the highly toxic chemical hexafluorosilicic acid which is in most of the Republic of Ireland and theUK through addition to your water supply on the orders of your government by way of the area strategic health authority. A chemical company supplies the hexafluorosilicic acid and the water supplier ( "undertaker" in official fluoride documentation ) mixes the poison with your water and supplies it to your tap. Many people and the mainstream press were outraged when Dr Shipman murdered 218 of his patients by poisoning them to death with opiates. Other than the rate of decline of the victims what is the difference, a slow kill, a fast kill, they are both murder.

To see official government letters responding to the fluoridation of water.

e.g Austria REJECTED: "toxic fluorides" NOT added

e.g Denmark REJECTED: "…toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Denmark."

e.g China BANNED: "not allowed"

For the actual letters and the rest of the list of countries.
http://www.fluoridation.com/c-country.html

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans and personnel. The scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world. …

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great IG Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years' research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine–any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." – CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.

The company that willingly provides your poison for profit is probably a company called Yara UK; definitely so if your water supplier isAnglian Water.

According to their website http://www.yara.co.uk

"Yara International ASA is a global firm specializing in agricultural products and environmental protection agents. As the world's largest supplier of mineral fertilizers, Yara helps provide food and renewable energy for a growing world population. Our products also help cleanse the air and eliminate toxic waste. The Oslo-based company has about 7,600 employees and annual revenues of nearly NOK 62 billion with operations in more than 50 countries."

They proudly claim to cleanse the air and eliminate toxic waste. Hexafluorosilicic acid is produced by spraying water into their chemical plants chimney (smokestack) over and over again until the pollutants are washed out in solution. This residue is collected and, hey presto, you have the ingredients for Hexafluorosilicic acid plus a bonus of other harmful contaminants, which include lead, arsenic, cadmium and mercury.

They eliminate the toxic waste from the air and then feed it to you and yours via the water supply, with the assistance and collusion of the water undertaker and the health authority.
Only a small percentage of the fluoridated water is consumed whilst the rest goes down the drain and contaminates the environment.

Hexafluorosilicic acid and many of the contaminants are also cumulative systemic poisons, whereby only 50 % of the hexafluorosilicic acid you consume ever leaves your system whilst the rest remains with you for your shortened chronically ill, lifespan.

Symptoms may include, but are not limited to, decreased thyroid function, chronic fatigue, osteoporosis, cancer, mood swings, nerve damage, brain damage, damage to the unborn foetus, skin complaints, irritable bowel syndrome, kidney damage and reduced IQ. Hexafluorosilicic acid also affects the way heavy metals are absorbed into the body, you absorb more of them and they come free mixed with the fluoride provided. Hexafluorosilicic acid is very, very corrosive, it is used to in industry to etch glass, tan leather and clean metals. It will eat its way out of most containers in concentrated form. In your water supply it can and does dissolve lead and copper salts in your pipes which you then consume for a lifetime.

I have attempted to appeal to the better nature of Yara and politely requested that they cease being complicit in the supply of such a dangerous and harmful product. At first they just ignored my correspondence but after repeated attempts they finally replied but failed to answer all of the ethical health issues presented and only reluctantly supplied their "information pack" and flatly refuse to provide the safety data sheet for their own poisonous product.

How do we know that Yara supply most of the fluoride used to poison the population of the UK?

Hoist with one's own petard, see this extract from the Yara information pack. So, if you are being poisoned with fluoride Yara are probably the supplier.

Introduction
Yara Industrial is the main supplier in the UK of fluorosilicic acid for fluoridation of potable water and this Product Guidance Note contains our understanding of the major issues relating to the production and supply of this product.
The Policy of Yara
Yara is willing to be the supplier of fluorosilicic acid for fluoridation of potable water but the company has no declared position on the promotion or otherwise of fluoridation. All product is supplied in accordance with the requirements of British Standard, BS EN 12175:2006 Chemicals used for treatment of water intended for human consumption.

Fluorosilicic Acid
There are two processes used to manufacture Fluorosilicic Acid:
1. It is a co-product manufactured alongside phosphoric acid. Phosphate rock, Apatite, is dissolved in sulphuric acid and the evolved silicon tetrafluoride gas is dissolved in water to form the product, fluorosilicic acid. Fluoride is a natural major impurity of a phosphate ore, as CaF2, and it reacts with sulphuric acid so that fluoride is dissolved in the acid produced (weak acid). When heated and concentrated phosphoric acid "liberates" the fluoride ions and this fluoride is collected by gas-washing units, in order to prevent from gaseous emission into the atmosphere and to produce hexafluosilicic acid.

2. Reaction between hydrofluoric acid and silica. Hydrofluoric acid (HF) is produced when dry fluorspar is reacted with sulphuric acid. This reaction takes place in a rotary kiln, with indirect heating. The HF comes out of the kiln as a gas. The HF gas is washed, cooled, condensed and stored. It is then reacted with silica.
The chemical name for the product is Hexafluorosilicic Acid.

Mmmmm tasty fancy a glass of water?

Source
Yara imports Fluorosilicic acid from Europe.

So it's imported, that means that your taxes are leaving the country to pay a foreign corporation for your early demise. Isn't the common market a fine thing?

Application
Yara Industrial's 20% strength Fluorosilicic acid is used in the UK by the water service companies for fluoridation of potable water.
Fluoridation is the term used to describe the addition of a fluoride chemical to water supplies to raise the fluoride level to 1 milligram per litre (1 mg/l = 1 part per million), to prevent tooth decay. The maximum fluoride concentration permitted is drinking water under the Water Supply (Water Quality) Regulations is 1.5 mg/l.
For a water supply with no naturally occurring fluoride, this requires the addition of 5.36 parts of 20% fluorosilicic acid to 1 million parts of water on a volume basis – a volumetric dilution of 186,500 times.
Water fluoridation is governed by the Water Industry Act 1991 and amended by the Water Act 2003. The act gives Strategic Health Authorities (SHAs) the responsibility of deciding the need for fluoridation. Before any new fluoridation scheme can be put in place the SHA must complete a local consultation process and provide the water company with an indemnity against costs.

Notice how the SHA provides the water company with indemnity against costs, does that include the costs of being sued for the harm caused? Are the water companies so concerned that they insisted on that before adding the toxin to the supply will no one insure them?

Purity Criteria
BS EN 12175:2006 Section 4 provides information on the purity requirements of Fluorosilicic acid.
Limits have been given for impurities and chemicals parameters where these are likely to be present based on the production process and raw materials.
Specification
20% Fluorosilicic acid supplied by Yara complies fully with specification requirements: BS EN 12175:2006,
Section 4.3 Impurities, main by-products Table 1 – Impurities and Section 4.4 Chemical Parameters Table
2 – Chemical Parameters.
Yara Industrial monitor the level of each element which will be added to drinking water as a result of dosing fluorosilicic acid to achieve the Water Act 2003 recommended fluoride concentration of 1 mg/litre.
Impurities? I wonder what they might be?
Table 1: Summary of key impurities and parameters as specified in BS EN 12175
Constituent Limits in mass fraction in % Expressed as
of commercial product

composition 20 – 40 (± 5%) % m/m H2SiF6

Free hydrogen 1.5 max % m/m HF
fluoride as
HF (not H2SiF6)

Phosphate 0.75 max % m/m as P2O5
Parameter Limit Expressed as
Antimony (Sb) max 80 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Arsenic (As) max 400 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Cadmium (Cd) max 40 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Chromium (Cr) max 400 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Lead (Pb) max 400 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Mercury (Hg) max 10 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Nickel (Ni) max 400 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)
Selenium (Se) max 80 mg/kg H2SiF6 (100%)

Quality Control
The product is tested on receipt into UK to ensure it is of an acceptable quality, and then transferred into dedicated storage tanks. It is then further tested before despatch to ensure that it conforms with the above specification. The Yara Integrated Management System has been approved to BS EN ISO 9001:2008, BS EN ISO 14001:2004 and OHSAS 18001:2007 by Det Norske Veritas, DNV.
Every delivery to customers, whether by dedicated tanker or IBC's, is accompanied by a Certificate of Conformity to the agreed specification.

Health and Safety
Yara Industrial provides a Safety Data Sheet for Hexafluorosilicic Acid to all customers purchasing this product in line with regulations. i.e. REACH.

The full document can be found here
http://www.wmaf.org.uk/userfiles/YARA%20Guidance%20Notes%20240709.pdf

The pro fluoride brigade and no doubt Yara will poo poo any complaints in respect of these contaminants saying they are only small traces and insignificant. Do not be misled there is no safe limit for heavy metals and I don't think we need to talk about arsenic. Another point is what do they do to you when mixed into a witch's brew with fluoride and the chlorine compounds that the water undertakers also add to the supply.

Also these are the "key impurities and parameters as specified in BS EN 12175" which implies there may be other impurities that are not listed at all. I have asked Yara for further information but at the time of going to press have received no response.
Health and Safety
Yara Industrial provides a Safety Data Sheet for Hexafluorosilicic Acid to all customers purchasing this product in line with regulations. i.e. REACH.

Yara have refused to provide me with the Safety Data Sheet but it is clear that one exists and they provide it to customers. Therefore I have had to quote below from a Safety Data Sheet from another supplier.

An important distinction to make is that the data sheet applies to the 20 % solution concentrated form of Hexafluorosilicic Acid which is a very dangerous substance indeed. What is vital to understand is that gallons of this stuff is transported around the country on a daily basis to supply the water treatment plants. What would happen in the unlucky event of an accident or a spillage? A worst case scenario outside a school as the children leave for instance. It is also notable how the water companies e.g. Anglian Water although in possession of this document also refuse to provide it.

1) The Safety Data Sheet for hexafluorosilicic acid.
Anglian Water are not able to provide a safety data sheet for hexafluorosilicic acid, as these are provided by the chemical supplier to its commercial customers. However Claire Moody in her email of 22 March provided a hyperlink to the relevant section of the website of the company from whom we purchase hexafluorosilicic acid – Yara Ltd. I understand that Yara currently have a technical problem with this part of their website which may be reason you have been unable to obtain the information you are seeking.
Excerpt from FOI request (note request was for Sodium Fluoride it should have been for hexafluorosilicic acid)

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/source_of_sodium_fluoride_added_2#outgoing-124737

The health authority refer you to Anglian who refer you to Yara whose web site is consistently broken despite being informed of the fault some weeks ago.

Are they trying to hide anything?
Well you decide. Here is some of the information that is being kept from you.

Hazardous Ingredients….…………… Hydrofluorosilicic acid 23-27%

Inhalation……………….………….…….. Irritating to nose, throat, and respiratory system. May be corrosive to
respiratory system with prolonged contact. Symptoms of exposure may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting.

Skin Contact / Absorption…….…….May cause irritation, redness or swelling with contact.
Eye Contact…………….………….……. Contact may cause severe irritation, watering, redness and swelling.
Ingestion…………………………………. May cause nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain and burns if ingested.
Exposure Limits……………………… ACGIH-TLV: 2.5mg/m3 (as F)
OSHA-PEL: 2.5mg/m3 (as F)

Protective Equipment
Eyes.………………………….……….. Chemical goggles, full-face shield, or a full-face respirator is to be worn at all times when product is handled. Contact lenses should not be worn; they may contribute to severe eye injury.

Respiratory…………………………… A NIOSH approved cartridge respirator with full-face shield. Chemical cartridge should provide protection against acid fumes (hydrogen fluoride).For concentrations greater than 20ppm; a NIOSH approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full-face shield should be used.

Gloves…………………………………. Impervious gloves of chemically resistant material (rubber or neoprene) should be worn at all times. Wash contaminated clothing and dry thoroughly before reuse.

Clothing………………………..……… Body suits, aprons, and/or coveralls of chemical resistant material should be worn at all times. Wash contaminated clothing and dry thoroughly before reuse.

Footwear………………………………. Impervious boots of chemically resistant material should be worn at all times.

Other……………………………………. Emergency shower and eyewash should be in close proximity.

Incompatibility…………..…………..………. Metals, glass, alkali, ceramics, and strong concentrated acids. Strong concentrated acids will cause the liberation of poisonous hydrogen fluoride. Hydrofluorosilicic acid will attack glass and ceramics. Metals will be corroded and liberate hydrogen gas.
Hazardous Products of Decomposition. Stable at room temperature. Attacks glass and stoneware. Decomposes to form hydrogen fluoride and silicon tetrafluoride when heated. Heat is generated when product is added to water.

Irritancy……………..……..………….…. Product is corrosive.

Sensitization…Not available

Chronic/Acute Effects………………. Liquid or vapours can cause burns which may not be apparent for hours. Prolonged exposure can result in: bone changes; corrosive effect on mucous membranes; ulceration of nose, throat, and bronchial tubes; cough, shock, pulmonary edema, fluorosis, coma, and death.

Synergistic Materials………….……… Not available

Animal Toxicity Data………..……….. LD50 (oral, guinea pig): 200mg/kg

Carcinogenicity………………………… IARC: Group 3 carcinogen (listed as ** undefined **).

As part of our commitment to the Canadian Association of Chemical Distributors (CACD) Responsible Distribution® initiative, ClearTech Industries Inc. and its associated companies require, as a condition of sale, that you forward the attached Material Safety Data Sheet(s) to all affected employees, customers, and end-users. ClearTech will send any available supplementary handling, health, and safety information to you at your request.

The full document is available here. http://www.cleartech.ca/msds/sillyacid.pdf
Imagine what might happen if a coach load of people were unlucky enough to be involved in a crash with the fluoride delivery truck.

The fluoridation of the water supply is based on quack science and deception, the supposed benefits to a small subset of children's teeth is quite ridiculous and has no scientific basis unless your research grant depends on the right results. Ladies and Gentlemen you are being lied to and you are being poisoned.

Key to that conspiracy is Yara the supplier and at the top of that chain, the man who should take responsibility is the CEO of Yara a Jřrgen Ole Haslestad, it is also within his power to cease the supply of this chemical immediately. Yara is by the appearance and statements on its website fully committed to United Nations Agenda 21 and speaks of "engaging with communities", "sustainability" and "ethics" however actions speak louder than words and these claims should be seen as the sanctimonious, hypocritical, meaningless claptrap that they are. Empty vacuous Fabian rubbish. Just imagine the beautiful perfect communitarian world they have in store for you if you allow them.

My apologies for bringing you into contact with such foul and revolting language as that to be found below but it is important to illustrate the hypocrisy and double standards of this corporation and presumably that of Mr Jřrgen Ole Haslestad in the supply of a toxic poison to the UK community.

Yara views corporate citizenship as an integral part of its overall strategic direction. It's a driver in pursuing opportunities more than reducing risks, an investment in business development more than an expenditure and an integrated part of the operation more than an appendix. As a global company, Yara can contribute to global challenges as a global corporate citizen.

Safeguarding human health is another global challenge, and Yara has identified health concerns as one of its four "shaping issues." The issue addresses the need to reduce poverty and pollution and enhance the quality of life as well. Yara thinks it can have an impact in these areas through its core business, key knowledge and global position.

For a forward-looking chemical company like Yara, human health is of paramount importance in supporting world development in a sustainable direction. Yara has accumulated knowledge and developed products that allow it to reduce pollution and other health hazards connected with urban living. By developing, implementing and marketing solutions that reduce the emission of harmful substances and at the same time offering products that enhance nutrition, Yara can help meet the global health challenge.

For Yara, the value of engaging in an open and active dialogue with stakeholders is clear. It is integral to the successful implementation of the company's corporate citizenship strategy as well as Yara's overall growth strategy – and the vision of being the industry shaper. We intend to lead the sector in adopting and communicating common high standards, and encourage best practice throughout the value chain, to our employees, customers, suppliers and the communities in which we operate.
Yara is well aware of its cornerstone role in many communities. Dedication to community involvement projects runs throughout the Yara organization, with support from the highest management levels and sufficient local autonomy to encourage local initiatives that answer community needs.
Yara's global presence positions the company to make significant contributions to the countries and communities in which it operates. Yara works with a variety of organizations, professional and non-governmental, as well as with a number of governments and international or regional bodies, to create a better understanding of how the company's business strategy can be aligned with the wider concerns of governments, authorities and local communities.
Customers include all those who use Yara's products as well as distributors and agents. Yara is committed to making sure all customers and end users receive the right products for the right purpose with proper information on how to use it, regardless of whether they are farmers using Yara fertilizers or industrial customers buying chemicals or other applications. Yara engages with its customers in various ways in different markets, such as through farmer meetings and satisfaction surveys, and spends significant resources on providing concise and useful information material.
Perhaps you the reader would like to "engage" with the good people at Yara and let them know how you feel about being poisoned with their assistance. You might want to ask them nicely to remove the product from their range. If you live nearby why not put up a few appropriate signs outside their gates and leaflet employees. They are probably unaware that they are slowly killing their countrymen.

By The Ghost of Sir Edward Coke

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#8762 From: Laurie Leslie <laurie_leslie@...>
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 3:49 pm
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Just a cautionary note on distributing this article too far and wide.  Some of the facts in the opening few paragraphs seem garbled to me:  "We go back over 80 years ago, to 1931, where a small Colorado population was noted to have brown stained teeth and were subsequently studied to find out the cause. The cause, it was discovered, was ingestion of too much fluoride due to the fact that the town was located next to an aluminum factory. (Fluoride is a waste by-product of aluminum production). Some initial studies also indicated , surprisingly, that the brown teeth were resistant to tooth decay, but the results were not conclusive."

If my history sources are correct (and I'm just googling like everyone else), Colorado brownstain, which McKay discovered in 1901 (not 1931), had nothing to do with an aluminum factory - it was from high levels of fluoride occurring naturally in the water.  The association with fluoride wasn't made until 1931, though, where something similar was occurring in Bauxite, Arkansas.  There was an Alcoa plant there.  I do not know if the high fluoride levels there were naturally-occurring, or if they were a result of the aluminum company works.  


From: ron072754 <reheman@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 4:35 AM
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] â€Dr Mckay fluoride’



 

Fluoridated water…friend or foe?

When I decided to research this post on fluoride, I did so with a yawn. I really didn't expect to find anything shocking or discover concrete evidence on either side.
fluoride safety
This ad is from the company, ALCOA, an aluminum plant, that started it all. Sodium fluoride is ALCOA's chemical waste product.
Man, was I wrong…
Let me preface this post by saying I strictly avoided websites and articles from "fringe fanatics" on either end. Odd thing was, I didn't need any information other than what was available via the US government's own websites to make the case to prove what a farce the whole "we need fluoride in our water" case really is.
What is fluoride?
Fluoride is a chemical. It occurs naturally in foods, natural minerals and soil, and it is produced artificially by chemical synthesis and as a by-product of computer, fertilizer, and aluminum production. It is found paired with other elements like sodium.
How did fluoride find its way into our drinking water?
We go back over 80 years ago, to 1931, where a small Colorado population was noted to have brown stained teeth and were subsequently studied to find out the cause. The cause, it was discovered, was ingestion of too much fluoride due to the fact that the town was located next to an aluminum factory. (Fluoride is a waste by-product of aluminum production). Some initial studies also indicated , surprisingly, that the brown teeth were resistant to tooth decay, but the results were not conclusive.
While a dentist, Dr McKay, discovered this fact, and tried to keep it under his hat until more studies could be conducted, the word spread "somehow" to the US government back east of his findings.
A scientist, Trendley Dean, from the "Public Health Service", was sent west to investigate it. His boss, a Mr. Andrew Mellon, Secretary of the United States Treasury at the time, was also was the founder and controlling shareholder of …wait for it….ALCOA…the very aluminum factory that caused the brown teeth in Colorado.
As mentioned before, some of the research suggested that the teeth, while brown and mottled, did not have the level of decay that was found in the general public.
So let's review…. you have a factory, owned by a US government official, belching a chemical by-product into the water supply that was affecting children's teeth by turning them brown. The teeth, although brown, were somewhat resistant to decay. It isn't surprising to learn, when you look at the players, that somehow this situation was "spun" from a company causing a dental illness to residents, into a profit making plan.
Mr Mellon, if he played his cards right, could market his factory's "chemical by-product waste, fluoride" and sell it back to the US government as a "beneficial water treatment for the American public". Smart guy.
I have to laugh at the absurdity of it all.
Mellon had his associate Gerald Cox immediately begin a campaign in the US to introduce fluoride into the water supply in the interest of "public health". He began by getting all the dentists and dental associations on board. Even though the data was not complete of even consistent, Cox's campaign was successful.
(I guess it didn't matter that until this point, fluoride compounds were marketed as rat and roach poison.)
So at the same time the original researcher, Dr. McKay was trying to limit the amount of fluoride in the water supply and inform about the dangers of too much fluoride, Mr Cox was campaigning to have it added it to the entire country's water supply!
(Of note is that Andrew Mellon was almost impeached for other reasons. He resigned to another position right before the House Judiciary Committee could vote.)
The first town to have fluoride added was Grand Rapids Michigan in 1945. The only problem was, scientists didn't tell the residents they were doing an experiment on them. Over the next 5 years, the tooth decay incidence declined in Grand Rapids. the scientists had their so called evidence and soon water was fluoridated everywhere.
fluoride toothpaste toxic
Because there was no FDA or any regulatory commission for drugs, fluoride toothpaste went into rapid production. To this day, even though fluoride is found in hundreds of products, and is written as a prescription for infants, it has never been studied or approved by the FDA for use in anyone. But that's OK, because you can trust the US government, right?.
Some contradictions (and that's putting it mildly)
In 2006, the US government asked a large independent team of experts from across the country to form a committee to look at the safety of fluoride in water. There were separate groups to look at the risk of cancer, the risk of birth defects, etc. Their report, entitled "Fluoride in Drinking Water: A scientific review of the EPS standards", looked at all the data from day one. You can read the entire report here. (all 330-something pages)
The result of their study caused the EPA to lower their recommendation for fluoride additives in January of this year (2011) from 1.2/ppm (part per million) to 0.7/ppm. their reasons are clear:
  • there is definite evidence that shows fluoride intake above 0.7 ppm (or 4 mg/L.. milligrams of fluoride per Liter of fluid) causes increased risk of bone fractures.
  • there is evidence that fluoride intake above 4 mg/L causes fluorosis, or browning, pitting and mottling of the tooth enamel in developing teeth.
  • they found no significant evidence linking fluoride and cancer, but recommended that further studies be done due to conflicting results. It states: "the evidence on the potential of fluoride to initiate or promote cancers, particularly of the bone, is tentative and mixed and that, overall, the literature does not clearly indicate that fluoride either is or is not carcinogenic in humans."
So how much fluoride is on your toothbrush when you fill it with fluoride toothpaste?
About 5000 ppm!!
The EPA figures its recommended levels based on a person drinking 2 liters of water per day. If you drink more than that, your exposure is greater. I know I drink more than 2 liters on many days. (It's flippin' hot here in the south)Today in society, about 40% of all dental patients have some form of fluorosis or evidence of excess fluoride intake, dentists say. Does that mean 40% of all dental patients are at increased risk of bone fractures as adults? It's quite possible. (buy your Boniva stock now)
The current CDC's website on fluoride safety states:
The weight of the peer-reviewed scientific evidence does not support an association between water fluoridation and any adverse health effect or systemic disorder, including an increased risk for…. bone fracture.
But the current EPA's website states:
Adults exposed to excessive consumption of fluoride over a lifetime may have increased likelihood of bone fractures, and may result in effects on bone leading to pain and tenderness.
and then there's:
Based on the data evaluated in this risk assessment, EPA concludes that it is likely that some children 8 and younger are exposed to too much fluoride.
(according to recent dental estimates, it's 40%…that's more than just "some")
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) "regulates the amount of fluoride that may be present in public water supplies to protect against fluoride's adverse health effects." There wouldn't be any adverse health effects from too much if it wasn't added in the first place.
The EPA states that fluoride is everywhere, and if it wasn't safe, we would see adverse effects. They state it's in tea, milk sugar, potatoes etc. and now that toothpastes and mouthwashes have fluoride, the levels added to water can be reduced. If it's everywhere, why does it need to be added to our water at all?
The EPA states that "many countries have also adopted fluoride additives to the water supply", Argentina (21%), Australia (61%), Brazil (41%), Canada (43%), Chile (40%), Colombia (80%), Israel (75%), Malaysia (70%), New Zealand (61%), and Singapore (100%). Of the Western European countries, the Republic of Ireland (73%), Spain (10%), and the United Kingdom (10%) as well.
But they don't tell you that only 13 countries still participate. Most have stopped because of public skepticism about the safety of the program.
On the EPA's site they admit there are "research gaps regarding the effects of long-term exposure to increased levels of fluoride." If there are research gaps shouldn't they be investigated before you have everyone in the country drinking it?
The CDC and the EPA have a goal to get 75% of the entire country drinking fluorinated water.
Is water fluoride safe?
Drinking lots of water? Are you helping or hurting your health?

How can I get rid of the fluoride in my water?
The only way to rid your tap water of fluoride is by distilling it or reverse osmosis (reverse osmosis in a home could run about $5000 – $10,000.) Charcoal filters do nothing.
Then there's bottled water. The FDA says bottled water can contain up to 1.4 mg/L of fluoride. That's more than the EPA currently recommends for tap water. And there's really no way of knowing how much fluoride is in your bottled water when you buy it.
What's my fluoride tap water level?
If you live in the USA, you can click here to look up your county's water quality report. I just looked at mine, and fluoride is listed as a "contaminant" right alongside lead. The level was 1.02 mg/L which is higher than the new standards of 0.7 mg/L. I'm not happy. But since the EPA only recommends and does not enforce, there's nothing I can do other than dig a well.
Check to see where your state falls in the fluoride chart.
Conclusion
Fact: Fluoride reduces the amount of cavities in teeth at certain levels, but we don't know what the lowest level to be effective is.
Fact: We are getting enough fluoride in our daily intake of other foods, and the environment. See this study.
Fact: Fluoride accumulates over time in your body's system, and the longterm effects of this chemical has never been studied.
Fact: Regular moderate levels, like those seen across the country, can cause increased risk of bone fractures and crippling skeletal fluorosis involving bone deformities, pain and immobility in adults.
Fact: 40% of children show evidence of too much fluoride intake based on the incidence of 40% fluorosis or browning of the teeth.
Fact: Federal agencies can only recommend fluoride levels, they cannot enforce standards for safe levels.
Fact: You do not have the freedom to choose to "opt out" of the country's fluoride program unless you treat your water again when it enters your home. Unlike the government's program to put iodine in salt, I can't choose not to drink water.
Fact: The EPA's "Safe Drinking Water Act" is a bunch of crap. According to their own standards, my water isn't "safe" and there's nothing anyone can do about it. How is that providing me with safe water?
Fact: The EPA lists fluoride on its "contaminants" list right alongside uranium, lead and e.coli. The government is intentionally adding a "contaminant" to your drinking water, and then monitoring "harmful levels" of the stuff.

Fact: Fluoride toothpaste is toxic. You should only use a pea sized amount when supervising children's brushing. A child would die if they ingested the majority of a tube of toothpaste. If I had small children, I would have them using a non-fluoride toothpaste if they are drinking the tap water daily and seeing their dentist regularaly.

When your kids go to the dentist, do they really need an extra fluoride treatment? I say no. (…and I just deal with the looks I get from the hygienist with a smile.)

How do you like you water now?

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#8763 From: "Aliss" <aliss@...>
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 4:52 pm
Subject: RE: â€Dr Mckay fluoride’
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Laurie is right. There are several things including the misinformation that 0.7 ppm is 4 mg/L.

“Colorado Brownstain” and “Texas Teeth” were from areas where ground water was very high in fluoride. The well water was also bullet-hard with calcium and magnesium, and sometimes tasted and smelled not great. This is the usual finding all over the world where fluorosis is endemic. In fact, geologists use a finding of high fluoride in ground water as firm likelihood that there are minerals worth mining there.

The 1931 research articles linking childhood ingestion of fluoride in well water with development of mottled and stained teeth later (described in this research as DAMAGE – NOT BENEFIT!!) came from three different groups of scientists in three different parts of the world, almost simultaneously, likely due to the acquisition of the modern technical means to differentiate and measure various mineral ions. Pages 62-75 of Fluoridation The Great Dilemma by Waldbott, Burgstahler and McKinney.

M.C. Smith et al, U of Arizona Agricultural Experiment Station, Tucson AZ, in a Technical Bulletin, “The Cause of Mottled Enamel, A Defect of Human Teeth.”

H.V. Churchill, Aluminum Company of America Research Laboratories, Pittsburgh, PA, in Journal of AWWA and Ind. Eng. Chem, “The Occurrence of Fluorides in Some Waters of the United States.”

H. Velu, observing effects of phosphate mine pollution on local drinking water in Morocco and Tunisia, in (French) C.R. Sceances Soc. Biol. Ses. Fil., “Dystrophie dentaire des mammilieres des zones phosphatees (darmous) et fluorose chronique.”

Science did NOT link natural fluoride in water to reduced tooth decay. It was clever lawyers representing the interests of the industries that polluted air water and land with fluoride that did so, persuading the government to get Dean to do so after the fact.

I am surprised that the lawyers for the petrochemical and nuclear industries aren’t doing the same for lead. Put it back in gasoline and make it a mandatory water additive, because everyone knows lead blocks radiation, right? Fukushima and any other radiation exposure will be no problem if we just have optimal lead intake. Let’s get the Surgeon General right on it.

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Laurie Leslie
Sent: September-05-11 11:49 AM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FluoridePoisoning] â€Dr Mckay fluoride’

 

 

Just a cautionary note on distributing this article too far and wide.  Some of the facts in the opening few paragraphs seem garbled to me:  "We go back over 80 years ago, to 1931, where a small Colorado population was noted to have brown stained teeth and were subsequently studied to find out the cause. The cause, it was discovered, was ingestion of too much fluoride due to the fact that the town was located next to an aluminum factory. (Fluoride is a waste by-product of aluminum production). Some initial studies also indicated , surprisingly, that the brown teeth were resistant to tooth decay, but the results were not conclusive."

 

If my history sources are correct (and I'm just googling like everyone else), Colorado brownstain, which McKay discovered in 1901 (not 1931), had nothing to do with an aluminum factory - it was from high levels of fluoride occurring naturally in the water.  The association with fluoride wasn't made until 1931, though, where something similar was occurring in Bauxite, Arkansas.  There was an Alcoa plant there.  I do not know if the high fluoride levels there were naturally-occurring, or if they were a result of the aluminum company works.  

 


From: ron072754 <reheman@...>
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 4:35 AM
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] â€Dr Mckay fluoride’

 

 

Fluoridated water…friend or foe?

When I decided to research this post on fluoride, I did so with a yawn. I really didn't expect to find anything shocking or discover concrete evidence on either side.

fluoride safety

This ad is from the company, ALCOA, an aluminum plant, that started it all. Sodium fluoride is ALCOA's chemical waste product.

Man, was I wrong…
Let me preface this post by saying I strictly avoided websites and articles from "fringe fanatics" on either end. Odd thing was, I didn't need any information other than what was available via the US government's own websites to make the case to prove what a farce the whole "we need fluoride in our water" case really is.

What is fluoride?

Fluoride is a chemical. It occurs naturally in foods, natural minerals and soil, and it is produced artificially by chemical synthesis and as a by-product of computer, fertilizer, and aluminum production. It is found paired with other elements like sodium.

How did fluoride find its way into our drinking water?

We go back over 80 years ago, to 1931, where a small Colorado population was noted to have brown stained teeth and were subsequently studied to find out the cause. The cause, it was discovered, was ingestion of too much fluoride due to the fact that the town was located next to an aluminum factory. (Fluoride is a waste by-product of aluminum production). Some initial studies also indicated , surprisingly, that the brown teeth were resistant to tooth decay, but the results were not conclusive.

While a dentist, Dr McKay, discovered this fact, and tried to keep it under his hat until more studies could be conducted, the word spread "somehow" to the US government back east of his findings.
A scientist, Trendley Dean, from the "Public Health Service", was sent west to investigate it. His boss, a Mr. Andrew Mellon, Secretary of the United States Treasury at the time, was also was the founder and controlling shareholder of …wait for it….ALCOA…the very aluminum factory that caused the brown teeth in Colorado.

As mentioned before, some of the research suggested that the teeth, while brown and mottled, did not have the level of decay that was found in the general public.

So let's review…. you have a factory, owned by a US government official, belching a chemical by-product into the water supply that was affecting children's teeth by turning them brown. The teeth, although brown, were somewhat resistant to decay. It isn't surprising to learn, when you look at the players, that somehow this situation was "spun" from a company causing a dental illness to residents, into a profit making plan.
Mr Mellon, if he played his cards right, could market his factory's "chemical by-product waste, fluoride" and sell it back to the US government as a "beneficial water treatment for the American public". Smart guy.

I have to laugh at the absurdity of it all.

Mellon had his associate Gerald Cox immediately begin a campaign in the US to introduce fluoride into the water supply in the interest of "public health". He began by getting all the dentists and dental associations on board. Even though the data was not complete of even consistent, Cox's campaign was successful.
(I guess it didn't matter that until this point, fluoride compounds were marketed as rat and roach poison.)

So at the same time the original researcher, Dr. McKay was trying to limit the amount of fluoride in the water supply and inform about the dangers of too much fluoride, Mr Cox was campaigning to have it added it to the entire country's water supply!
(Of note is that Andrew Mellon was almost impeached for other reasons. He resigned to another position right before the House Judiciary Committee could vote.)

The first town to have fluoride added was Grand Rapids Michigan in 1945. The only problem was, scientists didn't tell the residents they were doing an experiment on them. Over the next 5 years, the tooth decay incidence declined in Grand Rapids. the scientists had their so called evidence and soon water was fluoridated everywhere.

fluoride toothpaste toxic
Because there was no FDA or any regulatory commission for drugs, fluoride toothpaste went into rapid production. To this day, even though fluoride is found in hundreds of products, and is written as a prescription for infants, it has never been studied or approved by the FDA for use in anyone. But that's OK, because you can trust the US government, right?.

Some contradictions (and that's putting it mildly)

In 2006, the US government asked a large independent team of experts from across the country to form a committee to look at the safety of fluoride in water. There were separate groups to look at the risk of cancer, the risk of birth defects, etc. Their report, entitled "Fluoride in Drinking Water: A scientific review of the EPS standards", looked at all the data from day one. You can read the entire report here. (all 330-something pages)

The result of their study caused the EPA to lower their recommendation for fluoride additives in January of this year (2011) from 1.2/ppm (part per million) to 0.7/ppm. their reasons are clear:

  • there is definite evidence that shows fluoride intake above 0.7 ppm (or 4 mg/L.. milligrams of fluoride per Liter of fluid) causes increased risk of bone fractures.
  • there is evidence that fluoride intake above 4 mg/L causes fluorosis, or browning, pitting and mottling of the tooth enamel in developing teeth.
  • they found no significant evidence linking fluoride and cancer, but recommended that further studies be done due to conflicting results. It states: "the evidence on the potential of fluoride to initiate or promote cancers, particularly of the bone, is tentative and mixed and that, overall, the literature does not clearly indicate that fluoride either is or is not carcinogenic in humans."

So how much fluoride is on your toothbrush when you fill it with fluoride toothpaste?

About 5000 ppm!!

The EPA figures its recommended levels based on a person drinking 2 liters of water per day. If you drink more than that, your exposure is greater. I know I drink more than 2 liters on many days. (It's flippin' hot here in the south)Today in society, about 40% of all dental patients have some form of fluorosis or evidence of excess fluoride intake, dentists say. Does that mean 40% of all dental patients are at increased risk of bone fractures as adults? It's quite possible. (buy your Boniva stock now)

The current CDC's website on fluoride safety states:

The weight of the peer-reviewed scientific evidence does not support an association between water fluoridation and any adverse health effect or systemic disorder, including an increased risk for…. bone fracture.

But the current EPA's website states:

Adults exposed to excessive consumption of fluoride over a lifetime may have increased likelihood of bone fractures, and may result in effects on bone leading to pain and tenderness.

and then there's:

Based on the data evaluated in this risk assessment, EPA concludes that it is likely that some children 8 and younger are exposed to too much fluoride.
(according to recent dental estimates, it's 40%…that's more than just "some")

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) "regulates the amount of fluoride that may be present in public water supplies to protect against fluoride's adverse health effects." There wouldn't be any adverse health effects from too much if it wasn't added in the first place.

The EPA states that fluoride is everywhere, and if it wasn't safe, we would see adverse effects. They state it's in tea, milk sugar, potatoes etc. and now that toothpastes and mouthwashes have fluoride, the levels added to water can be reduced. If it's everywhere, why does it need to be added to our water at all?

The EPA states that "many countries have also adopted fluoride additives to the water supply", Argentina (21%), Australia (61%), Brazil (41%), Canada (43%), Chile (40%), Colombia (80%), Israel (75%), Malaysia (70%), New Zealand (61%), and Singapore (100%). Of the Western European countries, the Republic of Ireland (73%), Spain (10%), and the United Kingdom (10%) as well.

But they don't tell you that only 13 countries still participate. Most have stopped because of public skepticism about the safety of the program.

On the EPA's site they admit there are "research gaps regarding the effects of long-term exposure to increased levels of fluoride." If there are research gaps shouldn't they be investigated before you have everyone in the country drinking it?

The CDC and the EPA have a goal to get 75% of the entire country drinking fluorinated water.

Is water fluoride safe?

Drinking lots of water? Are you helping or hurting your health?

 

How can I get rid of the fluoride in my water?

The only way to rid your tap water of fluoride is by distilling it or reverse osmosis (reverse osmosis in a home could run about $5000 – $10,000.) Charcoal filters do nothing.

Then there's bottled water. The FDA says bottled water can contain up to 1.4 mg/L of fluoride. That's more than the EPA currently recommends for tap water. And there's really no way of knowing how much fluoride is in your bottled water when you buy it.

What's my fluoride tap water level?

If you live in the USA, you can click here to look up your county's water quality report. I just looked at mine, and fluoride is listed as a "contaminant" right alongside lead. The level was 1.02 mg/L which is higher than the new standards of 0.7 mg/L. I'm not happy. But since the EPA only recommends and does not enforce, there's nothing I can do other than dig a well.

Check to see where your state falls in the fluoride chart.

Conclusion

Fact: Fluoride reduces the amount of cavities in teeth at certain levels, but we don't know what the lowest level to be effective is.

Fact: We are getting enough fluoride in our daily intake of other foods, and the environment. See this study.

Fact: Fluoride accumulates over time in your body's system, and the longterm effects of this chemical has never been studied.

Fact: Regular moderate levels, like those seen across the country, can cause increased risk of bone fractures and crippling skeletal fluorosis involving bone deformities, pain and immobility in adults.

Fact: 40% of children show evidence of too much fluoride intake based on the incidence of 40% fluorosis or browning of the teeth.

Fact: Federal agencies can only recommend fluoride levels, they cannot enforce standards for safe levels.

Fact: You do not have the freedom to choose to "opt out" of the country's fluoride program unless you treat your water again when it enters your home. Unlike the government's program to put iodine in salt, I can't choose not to drink water.

Fact: The EPA's "Safe Drinking Water Act" is a bunch of crap. According to their own standards, my water isn't "safe" and there's nothing anyone can do about it. How is that providing me with safe water?

Fact: The EPA lists fluoride on its "contaminants" list right alongside uranium, lead and e.coli. The government is intentionally adding a "contaminant" to your drinking water, and then monitoring "harmful levels" of the stuff.

Fact: Fluoride toothpaste is toxic. You should only use a pea sized amount when supervising children's brushing. A child would die if they ingested the majority of a tube of toothpaste. If I had small children, I would have them using a non-fluoride toothpaste if they are drinking the tap water daily and seeing their dentist regularaly.

When your kids go to the dentist, do they really need an extra fluoride treatment? I say no. (…and I just deal with the looks I get from the hygienist with a smile.)

How do you like you water now?


References:

 

 


#8764 From: "petermeiers" <petermeiers@...>
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: â€Dr Mckay fluoride’
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The story as told in the original mail is wrong in several points:

Mellon stepped back from his office in 1932 and died in 1937, before the
fluoride - caries hype began in the USA.

The discovery of fluoride as the cause of mottled teeth came to ALCOA as a
surprise and had nothing to do with any fluoride emissions. They wanted to check
the presence of soluble aluminium salts with their newly installed spectroscope,
yet discovered fluoride (more on my fluoride-history.de/bauxite.htm page).

Fluoride had already been recommended as a caries preventative in the 19th
century in Europe. While there was no definitive scientific support for this, a
few "alternative minded" physicians and chemists (agriculturists) proclaimed
beneficial effects. Among them Alvaro Reynoso, a Cuban chemist who then lived in
Paris (1873); a Dr. Carl Erhardt of Emmendingen (1874), who practiced balneology
and homeopathy; Dr. Schuessler, whose tissue remedies are famous even today,
recommended calcium fluoride to ease tooth eruption (for the first time in the
14th edition of 1887 of his booklet on an "abridged therapy..."). Dr. Julius
Hensel (author of "Bread from stones") recommended ammonium fluoride in 1881 to
build sound enamel. Not to forget a chemist of Mainz, Dr. Albert Deninger (1896
and 1906), who was a freemason. His recommendation led to the development of
many commercial fluoride preparations (fluoride toothpaste, and the Danish
product "fluoridens" of Cross & Co. (1902)). ...

These early recommendations apparently played no major role in Europe (nor in
Germany), however, but were also known to American researchers: Professor
Hermann Prinz, of Philadelphia, who mentioned some of that work in his "Dental
Materia Medica and Therapeutics" (edition of 1929 and earlier ones); and think
of the famous Osborne-Mendel salt mixture (invented about 1917), which contains
added sodium fluoride since its inventors thought that fluoride might perhaps be
useful. Much publicity followed after world war II, when Dean, Bibby and others
mentioned some of the early papers, and re-imported this knowledge to Europe
with their fluoridation propaganda.

BTW: In 1930 even Dr. Henri Velu still believed in a beneficial role of fluoride
as he wrote in his book on the nutrition of cattle ("Alimentation et aliments du
bétail au Maroc",p. 43).

The famous 1925 paper by nutritionist Dr. Elmer Verner McCollum and colleagues
on fluoride was based on the early European research and he originally wanted to
see by his experiment, if indeed fluoride would do any good to his animals. One
of his coauthors, dentist Dr. Russell Bunting, who also was one of the
councellors for the USPHS, invited H.T. Dean to visit Minonk and planted the
fluoride - caries seed in Dean's mind. ...

What followed is a story of its own ...


Peter Meiers

(http://www.fluoride-history.de)

#8765 From: "Aliss" <aliss@...>
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 7:04 pm
Subject: RE: Re: ‘Dr Mckay fluoride’
alissterpstra
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Hi Peter,

I am so glad you chimed in.

So Dean came to this water fluoridation idea already prepared to believe in it!

Aliss

 

From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of petermeiers
Sent: September-05-11 2:53 PM
To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] Re: ‘Dr Mckay fluoride’

 

 


The story as told in the original mail is wrong in several points:

Mellon stepped back from his office in 1932 and died in 1937, before the fluoride - caries hype began in the USA.

The discovery of fluoride as the cause of mottled teeth came to ALCOA as a surprise and had nothing to do with any fluoride emissions. They wanted to check the presence of soluble aluminium salts with their newly installed spectroscope, yet discovered fluoride (more on my fluoride-history.de/bauxite.htm page).

Fluoride had already been recommended as a caries preventative in the 19th century in Europe. While there was no definitive scientific support for this, a few "alternative minded" physicians and chemists (agriculturists) proclaimed beneficial effects. Among them Alvaro Reynoso, a Cuban chemist who then lived in Paris (1873); a Dr. Carl Erhardt of Emmendingen (1874), who practiced balneology and homeopathy; Dr. Schuessler, whose tissue remedies are famous even today, recommended calcium fluoride to ease tooth eruption (for the first time in the 14th edition of 1887 of his booklet on an "abridged therapy..."). Dr. Julius Hensel (author of "Bread from stones") recommended ammonium fluoride in 1881 to build sound enamel. Not to forget a chemist of Mainz, Dr. Albert Deninger (1896 and 1906), who was a freemason. His recommendation led to the development of many commercial fluoride preparations (fluoride toothpaste, and the Danish product "fluoridens" of Cross & Co. (1902)). ...

These early recommendations apparently played no major role in Europe (nor in Germany), however, but were also known to American researchers: Professor Hermann Prinz, of Philadelphia, who mentioned some of that work in his "Dental Materia Medica and Therapeutics" (edition of 1929 and earlier ones); and think of the famous Osborne-Mendel salt mixture (invented about 1917), which contains added sodium fluoride since its inventors thought that fluoride might perhaps be useful. Much publicity followed after world war II, when Dean, Bibby and others mentioned some of the early papers, and re-imported this knowledge to Europe with their fluoridation propaganda.

BTW: In 1930 even Dr. Henri Velu still believed in a beneficial role of fluoride as he wrote in his book on the nutrition of cattle ("Alimentation et aliments du bétail au Maroc",p. 43).

The famous 1925 paper by nutritionist Dr. Elmer Verner McCollum and colleagues on fluoride was based on the early European research and he originally wanted to see by his experiment, if indeed fluoride would do any good to his animals. One of his coauthors, dentist Dr. Russell Bunting, who also was one of the councellors for the USPHS, invited H.T. Dean to visit Minonk and planted the fluoride - caries seed in Dean's mind. ...

What followed is a story of its own ...

Peter Meiers

(http://www.fluoride-history.de)


#8766 From: "petermeiers" <petermeiers@...>
Date: Mon Sep 5, 2011 7:40 pm
Subject: Re: ‘Dr Mckay fluoride’
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Yes, Aliss, that's what I see from historic documents:
"Dean came to this water fluoridation idea already prepared to believe in it!"

After his mottled teeth research, a follow-up of the fluoride caries
relationship was a logical step - not only to keep his research position within
the USPHS for which dentistry had fought so many years. Shortly after Dean had
started his work in the USPHS, the appointed councellors decided that dental
caries was the more important subject for research and that the mottled teeth
project was just a preliminary topic. Since Bunting's hint in 1932 Dean started
collecting data on the caries prevalence.

When the epidemiological studies were done, fluoridation experiments would be
the next step. Garrettsville, Ohio, and Escanaba, Michigan, mixed certain water
supplies to bring the fluoride content to a higher level. Artificial
fluoridation was brought up from external sources (certain public health
dentists of Michigan and New York state), for the USPHS had neither the money
for the installation nor the jurisdiction over individual states to set up such
studies. ...


Peter


--- In FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com, "Aliss" <aliss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> I am so glad you chimed in.
>
> So Dean came to this water fluoridation idea already prepared to believe in
it!
>
> Aliss
>
>
>
> From: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of petermeiers
> Sent: September-05-11 2:53 PM
> To: FluoridePoisoning@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FluoridePoisoning] Re: ‘Dr Mckay fluoride’
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The story as told in the original mail is wrong in several points:
>
> Mellon stepped back from his office in 1932 and died in 1937, before the
fluoride - caries hype began in the USA.
>
> The discovery of fluoride as the cause of mottled teeth came to ALCOA as a
surprise and had nothing to do with any fluoride emissions. They wanted to check
the presence of soluble aluminium salts with their newly installed spectroscope,
yet discovered fluoride (more on my fluoride-history.de/bauxite.htm page).
>
> Fluoride had already been recommended as a caries preventative in the 19th
century in Europe. While there was no definitive scientific support for this, a
few "alternative minded" physicians and chemists (agriculturists) proclaimed
beneficial effects. Among them Alvaro Reynoso, a Cuban chemist who then lived in
Paris (1873); a Dr. Carl Erhardt of Emmendingen (1874), who practiced balneology
and homeopathy; Dr. Schuessler, whose tissue remedies are famous even today,
recommended calcium fluoride to ease tooth eruption (for the first time in the
14th edition of 1887 of his booklet on an "abridged therapy..."). Dr. Julius
Hensel (author of "Bread from stones") recommended ammonium fluoride in 1881 to
build sound enamel. Not to forget a chemist of Mainz, Dr. Albert Deninger (1896
and 1906), who was a freemason. His recommendation led to the development of
many commercial fluoride preparations (fluoride toothpaste, and the Danish
product "fluoridens" of Cross & Co. (1902)). ...
>
> These early recommendations apparently played no major role in Europe (nor in
Germany), however, but were also known to American researchers: Professor
Hermann Prinz, of Philadelphia, who mentioned some of that work in his "Dental
Materia Medica and Therapeutics" (edition of 1929 and earlier ones); and think
of the famous Osborne-Mendel salt mixture (invented about 1917), which contains
added sodium fluoride since its inventors thought that fluoride might perhaps be
useful. Much publicity followed after world war II, when Dean, Bibby and others
mentioned some of the early papers, and re-imported this knowledge to Europe
with their fluoridation propaganda.
>
> BTW: In 1930 even Dr. Henri Velu still believed in a beneficial role of
fluoride as he wrote in his book on the nutrition of cattle ("Alimentation et
aliments du bétail au Maroc",p. 43).
>
> The famous 1925 paper by nutritionist Dr. Elmer Verner McCollum and colleagues
on fluoride was based on the early European research and he originally wanted to
see by his experiment, if indeed fluoride would do any good to his animals. One
of his coauthors, dentist Dr. Russell Bunting, who also was one of the
councellors for the USPHS, invited H.T. Dean to visit Minonk and planted the
fluoride - caries seed in Dean's mind. ...
>
> What followed is a story of its own ...
>
> Peter Meiers
>
> (http://www.fluoride-history.de)
>

#8767 From: Diane Drayton Buckland <dianedraytonbuckland@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2011 12:27 am
Subject: Local councils could face prosecution for adding fluoride to water supply
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Local councils could face prosecution for adding fluoride to water supply

6th September, 2011. 
Local authorities around the UK could face criminal prosecution if they fluoridate their water supply under new powers being discussed today and tomorrow in Parliament.
The Health and Social Care Bill gives local authorities the right to fluoridate the public water supply in their region – but it appears to be a notional power as they will be contravening Department of Health guidelines if they do not comply.
It is being discussed today (Tuesday, September 6) and tomorrow in Parliament, and is expected to be passed into law unopposed.
Although their hands appear to be tied, local authorities will still be in the firing line and could face criminal prosecution if they do fluoridate the water, says UK Council Against Fluoridation (UKCAF), which represents 74 local authorities around the UK already opposed to fluoridation.
In an open letter to all councillors, Liz Vaughan, UKCAF’s director, warns that they leave themselves open to private and class action suits, especially from parents whose children can suffer dental fluorosis from fluoridated water, and for promoting an unlicensed medicinal product (ie, fluoride).
Individual councillors who supported water fluoridation could be liable for any damages, and it is likely that insurers will refuse to offer personal public indemnity insurance once they see the level of controversy that the new measure creates.

(Source: UK Council Against Fluoridation, www.ukcaf.org)

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#8768 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:17 am
Subject: Science is lacking for fluoridation argument; Letters
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Science is lacking for fluoridation argument; Letters


  Western Daily Press
  September 6, 2011


Since the Director of Public Prosecutions appears to have put a spoke in the
Prime Minister's wheel by insisting that all criminal acts are treated on the
proverbial level playing field, he won't be able to avoid using his big stick on
the British Dental Association. Described as a trade union for dentists, the
BDA, using assumed power very much out of scale with its political status, is
about to engage in ramming through a measure of compulsory medication in the
forthcoming debate on the Health and Social Care Bill.

This Bill has been on the Government's books for some time and now, having
achieved a documentary blockbuster of 450 pages, it is being given all of two
days of debate. How things have changed since the Fox Hunting Bill.

The BDA wants to dominate the debate with its nanny state insistence that
fluoridation - the practice of poisoning everyone's drinking water - is a safe,
proven and effective way of treating juvenile dental decay.

Global evidence accumulated over the last half century utterly refutes this
proposition. Fluoridation has been widely discredited on ethical, physical and
mental platforms. It is a scam devised by people in high places in health
administration interested only in cashing in on its financial incentives.

However, more recently it has come under scrutiny by the European Court of
Justice. The ECJ has been instrumental in the rigorous interpretation of the new
definitions of water: tap water, medicinal water and functional water, the
latter being related with our range of soft drinks. Medicinal water can be any
water product for which a medicinal benefit has been claimed, whether true or
false. Medicinal value takes precedence over functional and on that basis alone,
statefluoridated water must be subject to the same pharmacological testing as
applies to all medicines whether retailed or prescribed. Since the fluoridating
agent in current use is an unrefined, untested waste product of the fertiliser
industry, it could not, short of outright fraud, pass such a test and in those
parts of the country, notably the West Midlands, which have been fluoridated for
the last 40 years, a legitimacy test of that intervention is long overdue.
Notwithstanding the current legislative position, the British Dental Association
expects to plough on unobstructed with manipulating this Bill to its own
self-centred advantage. That particular advantage lies in the vast sums to be
made from treating - but never curing - the socially repulsive condition known
as dental fluorosis, which will affect a substantial proportion of the
fluoridated population, especially the young. At Ł300 plus per tooth, repeatable
every five years, the treatment can only be privately funded since the NHS,
having promoted fluoridation, has defined fluorosis as "merely cosmetic" and
declines to include it within its agenda of low cost or free-of-charge
treatments. The slogan in the US which introduced fluoridation as a legalised
chemical fly-tipping cop-out for the defence industry was "Fluoride gives poor
kids rich kids' teeth." Nothing could be further from the truth. The poorest
children in the most fluoridated cities of America have the worst teeth of all.
Fluorosis cosmetic dentistry is utterly beyond their means.

Fluoridation is illegal and cannot sustain any insurance claim. Bernard J Seward
Henleaze, Bristol

  Copyright 2011 Northcliffe Media LimitedAll Rights Reserved

  Western Daily Press

http://www.dentistryiq.com/index/display/news-display/1494306662.html

#8769 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:25 am
Subject: Fluoride suppliers not co-operating
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Fluoride suppliers not co-operating

Tuesday, September 6, 2011
EUREKA SPRINGS -- Carroll-Boone Water District's attempt to comply safely with the state's new mandate to fluoridate drinking water systems that serve 5,000 or more people could be affected by the lack of cooperation from fluoride suppliers.

Carroll-Boone water operator René Fonseca testified at a House and Senate Interim Committee on Public Health, Welfare and Labor meeting in Hot Springs on Aug. 17 about the water district's concerns that the state mandate allows for water operators to follow other guidelines with which they are charged.

To this end, state Rep. Loy Mauch of Bismarck attempted to introduce House Bill 1205, the Arkansas Water Additive Act. The Act establishes criteria for disclosure of content, impurities, testing and origin of anything added to drinking water supplies beyond those required by law for disinfection.

The bill states these disclosures are essential so the safest products can be chosen for public health and so effective emergency response can be mounted should the need arise.

Mauch was not able to introduce the bill because the wrong bill was put forward when it came his turn to speak, Fonseca said. The committee was going to cancel testimony but the committee chairs allowed it to go through when they learned some had traveled long distances to be able to testify, such as Jeff Green, national director of Citizens for Safe Water, who flew in from San Diego, Calif.

Fonseca, testifying in place of Carroll-Boone office manager Jim Allison, who could not attend, said Carroll-Boone would like specific information about any products it must add to water because, in the case of fluoride, there are several kinds that can be used, and the district wants to make an informed choice.

Jim Walls, a former water operator with Hot Springs County who suffered life-debilitating health effects in a fluoride accident, also testified.

Although the bill was not introduced, their testimony will become part of the official record, Fonseca was told, and can be brought back in when the bill is introduced.

In a follow-up letter after the meeting to House Committee Chair Linda Tyler, Fonseca gave the history of Carroll-Boone on the fluoride issue and updated her on its efforts to comply with the law.

He said the district's engineer is conducting a feasibility study. In the meantime, Allison has attempted to obtain information about available fluoride products.

One of the suppliers of disinfection chemicals told Allison his company also supplies fluoride but would be "unable to provide the documentation Jim had requested."

"This document, which we believe they should possess in their files, would likely be the same document they would furnish the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) for proper certification," Fonseca wrote. "This would give us complete disclosure of the raw product, along with a list of all contaminants by weight, and associated studies pertaining to those contaminants."

He said the water industry measures contaminants by parts per million and per billion, and there are maximum levels established by the federal government.

Carroll-Boone operates under the laws of the Clean Water Act, Enhanced Surface Water Treatment Rule and the State of Arkansas Rules and Regulations pertaining to Public Water Systems, he added.

Allison then drafted and sent a letter to 49 fluoride suppliers listed at the ANSI website, requesting the information needed to make an informed decision in a timely manner.

"Jim was hoping for a 30 percent to 50 percent reply, which would give us an ample pool of manufacturers and suppliers to choose the safest product," Fonseca wrote.

After 90 days, not one has replied, he said.

"We have not faced anything this challenging regarding product selection, at Carroll-Boone Water District and find it a little puzzling why no one has sent a timely response."

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Excerpts from the book, "Trace Contaminants in Drinking Water Chemicals," by American Water Works Association Research Foundation, Prepared by Michael J. MacPhee, David A. cornwell, and Richard Brown, environmental engineering & Technology, Inc Copyright 2002:

Frequent low levels of black particles in hydrofluorosilicic acid deliveries attributed to breakdown of tank liner in delivery vehicle. One respondent characterized frequency of occurrence as "always".

Bird's nest and dead bird in solid sodium fluorosilicate jammed and broke feed equipment. Fluoride feed was disrupted for several days during repairs. No microbial contamination of finished water was detected, though utility was concerned since this organic material was fed to the system after chlorine addition.

One incident where plastic bags clogged feed lines during delivery of sodiumfluorosilicate. Bagged material was used to supplement delivery because vendor did not have enough bulk material on hand.

One incident of hydrofluorosilicic acid delivery with layer of waxy material of indeterminate composition.

One facility traced the occurrence of 1,2-dichlorobenzene in the finished water to contaminated hydrofluorosilicic acid.

Iodine contamination was identified n some fluoridation chemicals.

Four commercially available hydrofluorosilicic acid products were analysed during this study. One product contained 3.3 percent hydrofluoric acid (HF), well in excess of the AWWA Standard of one percent. Therefore, this product would not be suitable for drinking water use. T

Arsenic was the only trace metal found above detection limit in all three products. Reported values were 9, 20 and 47 mg/kg on a water weight basis, or 35, 85, and 231 ug As per kg F. Titanium, vanadium zinc, and cadmium were found in one product, but these were either not measured or not found above detection limits in other samples.

-- Posted by nyscof on Tue, Sep 6, 2011, at 7:44 AM

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#8770 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Wed Sep 7, 2011 10:30 am
Subject: Rethink fluoride plan, Minister told
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http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=79112

INDEPENDENT NATIONAL NEWSPAPER OF EAST MALAYSIA
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Rethink fluoride plan, Minister told

Published on: Tuesday, September 06, 2011

Kota Kinabalu: The Young Malaysians Movement (YMM) Sabah urged the Health Ministry to reconsider its plan to add fluoride to the water supply to address dental health problems in Sabah in view of the chemical's negative effect on health in the long-run.

Its Chairman, Deric Chiew, said the move does not resolve the problem and that the Ministry should consider tackling the issue through education and creating awareness among parents and children.

The YMM was not against the government's move to find a solution to the dental health problem among the children in Sabah, which had been listed top in the country.

"However, the suitability and also the effectiveness should be considered," he said, adding that according to the World Health Organisation (WHO) it was never agreed for fluoride to be mixed in the water supply, as it contained poison substance and used over a long term, will ruin health.

According to the America Disease Control Centre review, fluoride contained a huge substance of poison and an overdose or misuse will put human health in a high risk situation such as bone cancer, bone fracture, arthritis, skeletal flourosis, impaired thyroid hormone and also child mental development.

Chiew who is also the a YMM vice president said reliable sources stated that the Ministry of Health had obtained funds amounting to RM25 million for the use of fluoride in water supply for the next two years to improve the dental health of people.

With the RM25 million, the government should implement activities in the interior to create awareness among the children and parents about dental health such as distributing toothbrush and toothpaste.

Beside that, officers can be dispatched to the kindergartens and also school for talks or speeches about dental health, he said.

The implementation of fluoride usage in the water supply was supposed to be executed under the Tenth Malaysia Plan by next year.

According to Chiew, other organisations such as the Penang Consumer Association had also objected to the use if fluoride in the water supply.


#8771 From: Diane Drayton Buckland <dianedraytonbuckland@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2011 1:14 am
Subject: VERY IMPORTANT** 'The Great Culling' - Documentary About Fluoride
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Compelling new 9 minute trailer of forthcoming documentary.

 
 
 Paul Wittenberger, producer and director of the 
documentary,'What in the World are they Spraying'
is 6 months into the production of his latest film,
'The Great Culling,' which explores the water
fluoridation controversy and the direct connection 
between heavy metal toxicity and the growing 
epidemic of neurological disorders.
 
He's looking for help from artists, additional
editors, music, hard drives, (to back up the 8 
terrabytes of footage they've shot so far), etc.
 
For more information and to see the latest trailer,
see the page linked below.
 
 
Video:
 
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/page/4881.html
 
Alexandra
 
 
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#8772 From: "ron072754" <reheman@...>
Date: Thu Sep 8, 2011 9:51 am
Subject: Local residents petition town to remove fluoride from water
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Local residents petition town to remove fluoride from water

Posted Sep 8, 2011By Stacey Roy



EMC News - Two Smiths Falls residents feel the government's defence of fluoride in town pipes just doesn't hold water when considering the potential for health concerns.

A discussion begun at the council table last month has reached the town streets in the form of a public petition aimed at immediately removing fluoride from the town's drinking water.

"My kids have been drinking that water," remarked Mathieu Savard, one of two residents to circulate a petition in town.

His fear is the accumulative long-term effects that fluoride exposure in combination with other food products, tooth paste, etc. that also contain fluoride may create.

In this increasingly debated health issue doctors have found themselves on either side of the debate, including Dr. Hardy Limeback, head of preventive dentistry at the University of Toronto. He wrote an open letter in April 2000 setting out why he is staunchly against fluoride in public water system. The letter states there has been no testing done on fluoride to determine its safety for humans nor has there been adequate studies completed to prove that fluoride is improving dental health in any significant way. This is important as Dr. Limeback notes the chemical compounds can have traces of heavy metals, which over time have health risks of their own.

"Long-term ingestion of these harmful elements should be avoided altogether," Dr. Limeback's letter states.

Savard asks why is it that home toothpastes urge people to call poison control if they swallow this product that is put in mouths daily? The reason is fluoride can be dangerous, he contends. Dr. Limeback's letter states that most of the fluoride we ingest remains in our skeletal system and accumulates over time.

Doctors on the other side of the debate argue that there isn't enough fluoride in the water to cause these serious health issues Dr. Limeback is highlighting.

Ted Joynt, water waste water operations superintendent emphasized that the town's staff aims to fluoridate between .5-.8 mg/L and has a safety mechanism in place so that no more than a maximum of 1 mg/L can be found. If this happens the town's fluoride equipment shuts down.

"It's strictly monitored at the plant," Joynt said.

Cynthia Mayes of Smiths Falls distributed her petition against fluoride in the water the same day as Savard after months of working with town representatives and the health unit. She's concerned with the impact fluoridated water is having on her two-and-a-half year old son. Mayes points out that often baby formula has fluoride added to it, which is then added to by the fluoride in the water. She fears this combination would bring the amount of fluoride ingested beyond an acceptable amount. Now that her son is older and eating regular food, Mayes is hoping to reduce his exposure to fluoride by having it removed from the municipal system.

"I feel bad every time I make him juice and have to use fluoridated water," she told The EMC.

She objects to the additive in town water not only for health concerns, but also on the basis of an individual's right to choose. While the town did hold a public vote to begin fluoridating the water in the mid-60s, Mayes doesn't feel that adequately reflects today's residents.

"Where did our choice go in all this," she asks.

Literature from the Leeds, Grenville and Lanark District Health Unit says fluoride is added to the water in an effort to protect dental health in Canadian citizens.

"In fact, the use of fluoride in drinking water has been called one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century by the CDC (the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)," states a letter written by Dr. Arlene King, Chief Medical Officer of Health in Ontario. She feels that fluoridated water is not done in large enough amounts to cause bone fractures or other serious long-term health issues. On the other hand, poor oral health has been linked to diabetes, heart disease, and respiratory conditions.

Both Savard and Mayes aren't convinced that the studies surrounding fluoride are free of flaws and that the benefits from fluoride in the water can't be found by other means.

"It's worn out its purpose," Mayes said.

Petitions have been placed in Global Vitamins (Lombard Street) and Modern Thymes (Russell Street) as well as on Facebook (Remove fluoride from Smiths Falls drinking water) with the hope of reaching 1, 000 signatures before taking it to Council for consideration. The pair has already collected over 200 signatures towards this goal. There are two online petitions related to the town's discussions on fluoride (one for and one against) that can be found at www.petitiononlinecanada.com (type in Smiths Falls fluoride). Savard appreciates the difficult task of councilors in making such policies, but urges them to make their own decisions based on fact not government approval.

"I'm just asking the mayor and council to do your own research," he said.

Public awareness is a major component of what both Savard and Mayes hope to achieve in Smiths Falls. The town isn't the only community discussing the value of fluoride. Carleton Place is also in the throws of this debate. Earlier this year Calgary City Council passed a bylaw to remove fluoride in the water.

"I hope it keeps continuing to flow all over Canada," Mayes added of the removal of fluoride. "The risks just outweigh the benefits to the teeth."

http://www.emcsmithsfalls.ca/20110908/news/Local+residents+petition+town+to+remove+fluoride+from+water

#8773 From: "Aliss" <aliss@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2011 10:28 pm
Subject: England abandons fluoridation plans
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Breaking news - www.ukcaf.org

We've been fighting to force these fluoride fanatics to abandon their plan to fluoridate our water here in North West England - and now with the help of Dave Forrest, we've done it!

Details and source on our web page - pass this around!

Doug Cross

 


#8774 From: Diane Drayton Buckland <dianedraytonbuckland@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2011 11:44 pm
Subject: BREAKING NEWS!!!! Health authority abandons plans to fluoridate North West England
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From: Doug Cross <maverick65@...>     FOR WIDESPREAD CIRCULATION
Date: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:16 AM
Subject: Health authority abandons plans to fluoridate North West England


LATEST NEWS! 

Health Authority abandons plans to fluoridate North West England 

Board told ' not enough time for consultations, and too expensive. 

Doug Cross
9th September 2011
 

 

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#8775 From: Diane Drayton Buckland <dianedraytonbuckland@...>
Date: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:14 am
Subject: Perfluoroalkyl chemicals and chronic kidney disease in US adults
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Perfluoroalkyl  chemicals and chronic kidney disease in US adults 

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Silicofluoride/fluorosilicic acid poisoning of our water supplies  (aka 'water fluoridation schemes') must end urgently and irrevocably for all time - no wonder (amongst many other chemically induced illnesses and diseases)  kidney disease has surged.
 
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#8776 From: Diane Drayton Buckland <dianedraytonbuckland@...>
Date: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:01 pm
Subject: Voices from the Waters 2011 6th International Film Festival on Water held in Bangalore, India
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Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:54 AM
Subject: [New post] Voices from the Waters 2011


Voices from the Waters 2011

Daniel Zalec | September 12, 2011 at 05:54 | Tags: fire water, voices from the waters | Categories: Documentary Scriptwriting | URL: http://wp.me/p1GWFb-2A

Jaya Chela Drolma and I recently returned to Australia after attending the Voices from the Waters 2011, 6th International Film Festival on Water, held in Bangalore, India. A conference followed the festival, but unfortunately I was unable to present my speech in person, due to illness. Thankfully, Jaya was gracious enough to present my speech to the audience in my absence. It was well-received. Thank you, Jaya! What would I do without you?

Fire Water screened as the closing film of the festival. A grateful and enthusiatic audience was in attendance. Jaya and myself were both honoured to be invited to this event. Seeing those featured in the film on the big screen was certainly worth the trip. Jaya will be posting footage and images of the festival as soon as she can. Thank you to everyone who donated to allow us to attend.

I would like to take this opportunity to also thank George Kutty, Festival Director, for organising this event; also for discovering our film and subsequently deeming us worthy to be included; and for his wonderful hospitality throughout the festival. George is a man of vision and integrity. I hope that this festival expands in the future. I pitched the idea to George about delagations of Australian school students attending future festivals. I feel that student groups such as those managed by my mother, Rosemarie Zalec, who are interested in issues like river health, would benefit greatly from such an experience.

I would also like to thank Koya, our driver and guide and everyone else we met during our time in India, including the representatives of All Lights Film Magazine who interviewed us about the research and production aspects of Fire Water (these guys have an office in Abu Dubai – I must say, we envy them! Abu Dubai is an incredible place that Jaya and myself fell in love with on our stopover to Bangalore. We will be exploring professional opporunities in the UAE in the future).

We also hung out in Bangalore with Vasundhara Das and Roberto Narain. Roberto introduced me to Old Monk rum, for which I will be eternally grateful! It was quite something to sip this stuff on a rooftop on Bangalore. If this rum doesn't blow your hair back, nothing will. Both of these guys have great musical talent, drive and vision and I wish them the best in the future.

George Kutty has mentioned that he would like to see more films like Fire Water from Australia, so if anyone reading this wants to see an Australian film in next year's festival, contact Sapphire Eyes Productions regarding concepts, funding, etc.

–DZ

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#8777 From: "gsconnelly" <goldastarr@...>
Date: Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:04 am
Subject: Wouldn't it be nice
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Wouldn't it be nice if in order to rid our towns of fluoride, all we needed to do would be to publicly question its validity!  Sounds like in Tennessee that strategy is working.  The trend has not caught on here in Washington State.

Last week the city council invited us to continue coming to their meetings with our information BUT that they are unaffected by our information, that their experts have already well informed them as to the benefits of water fluoridation. - Thank you anyway . . .

So we're thinking further as to the location and nature of the soft spot in the belly of a city council.

Golda Starr
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Hohenwald latest town to stop adding fluoride to water

Posted: Sep 09, 2011 4:05 PM PDT Updated: Sep 09, 2011 7:17 PM PDT
Posted by Scott Sutton - email

Another Middle Tennessee  city is about to remove fluoride from the drinking water.
City leaders in Hohenwald made the decision Tuesday night, but they will have to notify customers in writing before making the change.

Beginning Nov. 10, the city will stop adding fluoride to the water.  Officials said they began looking into the matter after a resident brought up the issue.

Adding fluoride to tap water has become a hot-button topic in Middle Tennessee.  Even though the American Dental Association said it cuts down on cavities, many people aren't sold on the health benefits.

Last month, Spring Hill, TN, city leaders voted to stop adding fluoride to the town's water supply. Waynesboro and Lewisburg have also removed fluoride from their water supplies.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/15430283/hohenwald-fluoride




#8778 From: FluoridePoisoning-owner@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:58 am
Subject: Sodium Fluoride is an EPA Registered Pesticide
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Tuesday, January 4, 2011

Sodium Fluoride is an EPA Registered Pesticide

Happy New Year, we've got another year, let's hope and work together to make it a good one. Also hope everyone had wonderful holidays and, personally, thank heavens they are over :o) Been away from the blog for a bit but am looking forward now to getting back to it and learning together. For the first post of the new year thought I would go back to an oldie but a goodie topic, namely fluoride. That said let's get down to it.

Sodium fluoride was re-registered as a pesticide in 2007 by the United States Environmental Protection agency. The Reregistration Eligibility Decision for Sodium Fluoride is part of the public domain and is available in its entirety online. While the EPA review contains a great deal of government boilerplate language and regulatory language, it is some 71 pages long, so we will not be able to discuss all of it in depth. I would encourage readers to feel free to examine the source documentation for themselves (i.e. from the preceding blue hyperlink) if you so desire.

Well if sodium fluoride is being re-registered it had to have been registered earlier. We learn from the Regulatory History section that sodium fluoride has been registered with the EPA since 1964 and that, "Sodium fluoride was originally sold to the U.S. telecommunications company in the 1930s as a wood preservative for utility poles lumber, timbers, posts, poles, ties, pilings, and all exterior wood exposed to moisture or weather." (pp3) Specifically it is the long term antifungal properties of sodium fluoride which have led to its use as a wood preservative.

Before discussing the toxicity findings of the EPA review it is probably worth noting that they are looking specifically at sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride is used in only a minority of the water fluoridation initiatives in the U.S. To my knowledge, no government agency has ever done a formal toxicological evaluation of the hodgepodge of industrial waste fluorosilicates used in the overwhelming majority of U.S. water fluoridation programs. See also, EPA Seeking More Information on Fluorosilicates.

This EPA review primarily restricts itself to acute toxicity issues, the meat of much of their findings may be found on page 6, "General Toxicity Observations: Acute Toxicity."

For the technical grade active ingredient, sodium fluoride has a high order of toxicity via the oral route of exposure (Toxicity Category II) and a moderate order of toxicity via the dermal and inhalation routes of exposure (Toxicity Category III). Primary eye irritation studies classify sodium fluoride as corrosive (Toxicity Category I) whereas dermal irritation studies classify sodium fluoride as a mild or slight irritant (Toxicity Category IV). Sodium fluoride is not a dermal sensitizer. (pp 6)
To put this into context, pesticide toxicity is graded on a four tiered system by EPA with I being most toxic and IV least toxic. Sodium fluoride when ingested by the oral route is classed as category II, the second most dangerous class of pesticide. That one may take a little while to sink in. As regards toxicity with exposure to eyes it is classed as Category I, the most toxic category of toxic pesticides.

Well, this is a scandal, and you might just be thinking to yourself, "this highly acutely toxic pesticide is being dumped into our water supply, these public servants are charged with protecting our health, what are they going to do about it?" Well the very next section on page 7 gives one a good lesson on how to get promoted in government, "Dietary exposure to NaF is not expected. Therefore, acute and chronic dietary endpoints were not selected." I.e water fluoridation is outside the scope of the review so ignore it. We will highlight some even more egregious examples of this turning a blind eye to the Mammoth in the china shop a bit later but let's see what else is said about toxicity.

As regards carcinogencity,
Based on the available data, sodium fluoride has been classified as a "Group D" (inadequate evidence of carcinogenicity). This conclusion is consistent with the recent report by the National Academy of Sciences which concluded that "the evidence on the potential of fluoride to initiate or promote cancers, particularly of the bone, is tentative and mixed." (pp 8)
Well at least they said they didn't know and they cite as support for not knowing the NAS review of fluoride. However, it is a bit curious this statement made it into the review unaltered. During the 60 day public comment period we see one of the comments made on this review was by a Kathleen M. Thiessen, Ph.D. Senior Scientist: SENES Oak Ridge, Inc., Center for Risk Analysis. In her public comment she states in part,
A cancer classification of sodium fluoride as "not classifiable as to carcinogenicity" is not appropriate in light of the NRC report. The NRC report (p. 336) states that "fluoride appears to have the potential to initiate or promote cancers," a finding more compatible with "possible" carcinogen. The evidence certainly rules out a classification of clearly noncarcinogenic. In the interest of protecting human health, fluoride should be treated as at least a possible carcinogen and its use regulated accordingly.
Now it also just so happens that Dr. Thiessen was one of the authors of the National Academy of Sciences report which the EPA reviewers sited for saying sodium fluoride is, "not classifiable as to carcinogenicity." She said they are wrong.

Under mutagencity,
Positive mutagenicity results have been reported in mouse lymphoma assays, in chromosome aberration assays, in unscheduled DNA synthesis assays, and in in vitro sister chromatid exchange assays. (pp 8)
Well the fungacide sodium fluoride is certainly mutagenic. As regards the required extra ten fold safety factor for child safety, the reviewers blithely comment that this wasn't performed as there was no expected exposure to fluoride from the indicated use. Likewise they did not do a drinking water impact study as "The antimicrobial uses of sodium fluoride are not expected to pose a hazard to groundwater or surface water." (pp 9) Unless of course it is also being dumped into the drinking water supply by the barrel.

Let's skip ahead now to the environmental toxicity section. Regarding birds, "Available data indicate that sodium fluoride is moderately toxic to birds on an acute oral basis" (pp 19). Regarding non-target insects,
Honeybees should not be exposed to sodium fluoride wood treatments due to the requirement to wrap the treated area with a waterproof barrier or the requirement to inject sodium fluoride into the wood and then seal the bore hole. Beehives should not be constructed from wood treated with sodium fluoride. The product label(s) must state: "Sodium fluoride must not be used to treat wood intended for construction or maintenance of beehives." (pp 19)
Regarding terrestrial animals, "Based on the results of mammalian studies conducted to meet human toxicity data requirements, sodium fluoride exhibits high toxicity via the oral route" (pp 19). Again that one may take a while to sink in.

The review does not address long term toxicity issues nor does it address the potential for interaction with other toxins such as aluminum or lead. Aside from the overwhelming evidence in the medical literature which document multiple potential health problems with chronic fluoride exposure, it is also worth considering that for sodium fluoride to act as an effective long term pesticide/wood preservative it must be able to kill micro-organisms at minute doses for years on end. Put another way, is there any way that a pesticide could not be expected to promote negative health effects with long term exposure? We certainly know that sodium fluoride is on the more acutely toxic part of the spectrum of pesticides, especially as regards ingestion (oral exposure).

If we skip down now to the section on Determination of Safety to the U.S. population we find this gem.
"A dietary risk assessment was not conducted for sodium fluoride because the use patterns are not expected to result in dietary exposure. Therefore, sodium fluoride does not pose a dietary risk. Similarly, the Agency does not anticipate significant contamination of drinking water as a result of the registered uses of sodium fluoride and did not conduct a drinking water assessment." (pp 24)
Well one can say, to bureaucratically weasel out of the overwhelmingly more pressing health issue, that the EPA approved use of this pesticide is not expected to result in dietary exposure. However, it does not follow that, Therefore, sodium fluoride does not pose a dietary risk. The addition of the pesticide sodium fluoride and flourosilicates to the water supply has been trumpeted from the roof tops for decades as a great public health advance. It is in all drinking water, soda, juices, alcoholic beverages, teas, soups processed cereals, grains, etc that have been made with purposefully fluoridated water. At least we see an oblique acknowledgment that if this dangerous pesticide were to somehow find its way into the water supply it would result in possibly "significant contamination of drinking water." If for no other reason, the EPA is charged with evaluating the toxicity of the water fluoridation "public health" intervention under the Clean Water Act. We know it's a pesticide. Now where is the evaluation of fluoride's contamination of two thirds of the drinking water in the United States? EPA, FDA, CDC, anyone?

Two of the public comments left during the period for open public comments stated that fluoride is too toxic to be used safely as a pesticide and that there are less toxic alternatives available. I am going to take a bit more risky and radical stance here, I will say I am fine with fluoride being used with precautions as a wood preservative, just get it the heck out of my nation's water supply. If our government stubbornly continues to put an EPA registered toxic pesticide in our drinking water, just what do they view us as?

8 comments:

nyscof said...

Sodium fluoride is still prescribed as fluoride supplements to children. Sodium fluoride has never been FDA tested for safety or efficacy in reducing tooth decay and sodium fluoride is the only fluoride that can be used in supplements - otherwise the new fluoride formulation would have to undergo rigorous testing, which it certainly would fail, because now we know ingested fluoride does not reduce tooth decay.

Sodium fluoride was on the market pre-1938 when laws were created to prove drugs were safe and effective. So sodium fluoride was "grandfathered in" meaning it didn't have to adhere to new laws since it was already in the marketplace. However, the only reason it was sold was as a rat poison.

Essentially dentists and pediatricians are off-label prescribing little bits of pesticides to America's littlest citizens.

suZen said...

Hi Paul! Happy New Year! Let the fires burn - along with the FDA, EPA, USDA and the rest! Every time I think I'm shock proof and have heard it all, you just fuel the fires. What an insane world this is! Can't thank you enough for all the research you do.
Susan

PDM said...

@ Nyscof,

"There are no words in Elvish, Entish or the tongues of Men for this treachery" ;-)

You know as I've been thinking about it today, in terms of political activism, this registration by the government of fluoride as a pesticide might be a good point to bring up. It is simple, clear, easily confirmed, and only gets worse when you delve into it. It is the government which promotes fluoride which has registered it as a pesticide.
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Hi Susan,

A Happy New Year to you as well. I also find fluoride an upsetting topic. Forgot to mention when you complimented me on my Christmas video that I first saw it at this really cool site called "Erasing the Bored"

http://erasingthebored.blogspot.com/

Everyone go check it out!!

Scott said...

There are several historical items I find interesting if true: 1) Andrew W. Mellon (of ALCOA fame) had ties with the Public Health Service (1930's and 40's) and was one of the initial proponents of water fluoridation for personal gain. 2) The Germans & Russians suposedly used fluoride in drinking water in concentration camps to enhance the manageability of prosoners.
Here is one of many links:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller17.html
Thanks for you research and perspective.

Scott said...

Oh, here is another interesting link - I promise, this is the last one!

http://www.world-wire.com/news/0830050001.html

Scott

PDM said...

Hi Scott,

Enjoyed both links, especially the first one with its references to the original, and correct, assessment of both dentists and physicians concerning the toxicity of fluoride. Did not know that about Andrew Mellon. Have heard the prison camp claim and am not entirely sure what to make of it, though I certainly don't dismiss it out of hand. Still as the saying goes, "Yes, but does it grow corn?" By this I mean we already have the studies by Harvard toxicologist Phyllis Mullenix, peer reviewed and published in the literature that fluoride would be expected to have behavioral effects. Rather than trying to sort out WW II and if a few thousand prisoners had fluoridated water I am more concerned with preventing today the ongoing fluoridation of hundreds of millions. Thx again for the interesting links.

patrons99 said...

Are aluminum, mercury, and fluoride cumulatively and synergistically neurotoxic? These variables MUST be controlled in any prospective, fully vaxed versus completely unvaxed study. It appears as though fluoride helps aluminum cross the blood brain barrier.

"Fluoride's Neurological Effects: studies show there may be grave implications for Alzheimers, Dementia, Attention Deficit Disorder, reduced IQ in children"

http://www.fluoridation.com/brain.htm

There is no rational justification for fluoridating public water and toothpastes. It's a perfect example of why corporate interests and governments should get completely-out of the "preventive" health business. Mercury amalgam dentistry and fluoridated water should have been outlawed long ago. Is it any wonder that society is becoming progressively more sickness-prone and functionally-impaired? Either they don't know what they are doing or they are willfully "thinning the ranks", "optimizing" the population, by means of pharma's new Social Darwinism.

See Table 3. Studies reporting effects on the Brain from Fluoride.

http://fluoridealert.org/sf/2005.table.3.brain.studies.pdf

PDM said...

"Are aluminum, mercury, and fluoride cumulatively and synergistically neurotoxic?"

I would guess (and including lead and silcofluorides) darn right they are. It may be tough to pin down long term adverse effects, but putting a poisonous pesticide in the water supply is always a bad idea.


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