Very interesting post!  I don't know, *is* that what is going on?
thanks for taking the time to write down your theories, it really gets
me thinking...

I think you are onto something, but I'm a bit confused.  Would you mind
working it with me a little?  Is this what you are saying?

Sal Processing System:  uses up certain nutrients, busies the detox pathways

Overwhelmed Sal processing system:  results in K deficiency, copper
levels raise (darkening blonde hair), sals goof up brain, skin, joints
and other symptoms, system can just give up, but will resume after a
while off of sals?

Proper Sal System processing system:  Zinc and K levels raise, pathways
clear, feel good

Maintenance/healing: pay attention to nutrient status, moderate sals and
amines

Need some clarification:

I thought low zinc was what was related to food chemical intolerance,
not low copper
I thought when you go low sal, you can process more amines

Renee



Shannon Weiner wrote:
> Salicylate and amine intolerance is such a huge and mysterious puzzle
> to me.  I'm slowly trying to put the pieces together, and wondering if
> I'm on the right track based on what you've experienced.  No, I
> haven't done the diet yet, but I'm finding myself not wanting to eat
> higher sal foods in general.  I don't know if it's psychological or
> really listening to my body though :)
>
> So here goes:
>
> If you're eating the 'right' amount of sals for your body - meaning
> under your 'tolerance' level, then your body process them away and
> they disappear and everything is fantastic.  This process uses
> specific nutrients (vitamin K? copper?) and pathways, and serum zinc
> raises, while serum copper lowers.  Low copper helps explain low amine
> tolerance, and low melanin production (light blond/red hair).
>
> If you're eating too many sals, The processing mechanism gets
> overwhelmed and stops trying.  Sals start to go places they shouldn't,
> like your brain, skin or joints, and cause symptoms.  Serum copper
> goes up, darkening your hair, and allowing you to process more amines
>
> When you cut out sals on the failsafe diet, your body goes back into
> 'process the sals' mode (kinda like detox), and your zinc raises
> again.  This means you're more sensitive to amines, but your other
> symptoms go away.  You get process the sals that have accumulated in
> places they shouldn't have.  Once those are cleared out, you can start
> eating small amounts of them again, and keep up with the processing,
> but you have to balance it with eating too many amines.
>
> Now, if I'm on the right track, then it seems like you could speed the
> detox process up by supplementing with whatever nutrients are
> necessary for processing the sals, and if you paid close attention to
> copper, you might be able to minimize the amine intolerance?
>
> Shannon
>
>

Salicylate and amine intolerance is such a huge and mysterious puzzle
to me.  I'm slowly trying to put the pieces together, and wondering if
I'm on the right track based on what you've experienced.  No, I
haven't done the diet yet, but I'm finding myself not wanting to eat
higher sal foods in general.  I don't know if it's psychological or
really listening to my body though :)

So here goes:

If you're eating the 'right' amount of sals for your body - meaning
under your 'tolerance' level, then your body process them away and
they disappear and everything is fantastic.  This process uses
specific nutrients (vitamin K? copper?) and pathways, and serum zinc
raises, while serum copper lowers.  Low copper helps explain low amine
tolerance, and low melanin production (light blond/red hair).

If you're eating too many sals, The processing mechanism gets
overwhelmed and stops trying.  Sals start to go places they shouldn't,
like your brain, skin or joints, and cause symptoms.  Serum copper
goes up, darkening your hair, and allowing you to process more amines.

When you cut out sals on the failsafe diet, your body goes back into
'process the sals' mode (kinda like detox), and your zinc raises
again.  This means you're more sensitive to amines, but your other
symptoms go away.  You get process the sals that have accumulated in
places they shouldn't have.  Once those are cleared out, you can start
eating small amounts of them again, and keep up with the processing,
but you have to balance it with eating too many amines.

Now, if I'm on the right track, then it seems like you could speed the
detox process up by supplementing with whatever nutrients are
necessary for processing the sals, and if you paid close attention to
copper, you might be able to minimize the amine intolerance?

Shannon

Yes I agree, that is one of the most helpful things I've ever come
across, excellent, thanks Renee.
We continue to have excellent success with Kenzie and this mindd
dietician who I am now seeing for my own health (and the sake of
attempts at baby 2 next year) so I will keep you all posted.


--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, "miriam_hinch" <miriam_hinch@...>
wrote:
>
> That is an excellent website Renee.  :-)
> Miriam
>
> --- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Renee Cyr <rmcyr@> wrote:
> > I came across this outline that looks like speech notes. It seems to
> do a very good job at describing the various diets out there from the
> > perspective of a mother trying to decide whether to do NT, GAPs,
> GF/CF, failsafe, scd...etc.
> >
> > http://mindd.org/serendipity/uploads/pdf/AlburyWheelrightHandout.pdf
>

That is an excellent website Renee.  :-)
Miriam

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...> wrote:
> I came across this outline that looks like speech notes. It seems to
do a very good job at describing the various diets out there from the
> perspective of a mother trying to decide whether to do NT, GAPs,
GF/CF, failsafe, scd...etc.
>
> http://mindd.org/serendipity/uploads/pdf/AlburyWheelrightHandout.pdf

I came across this outline that looks like speech notes. It seems to do
a very good job at describing the various diets out there from the
perspective of a mother trying to decide whether to do NT, GAPs, GF/CF,
failsafe, scd...etc.

http://mindd.org/serendipity/uploads/pdf/AlburyWheelrightHandout.pdf
<http://mindd.org/serendipity/uploads/pdf/AlburyWheelrightHandout.pdf>

Here is what it had to say about why people have problems with it:


• Doesn’t eliminate all hidden sulphites
• Doesn’t eliminate Gluten & Dairy
• Doesn’t eliminate Soy & Corn
• Leaves in “safe” foods which some people actually have a
problem with
• *Body slows down enzyme production then when challenged you
get a reaction, yet before the elimination they may have been ok
with them*
• VERY high in sugar
• Does not address the underlying CAUSE of gut dysbiosis, liver
function, immune issues, candida, etc – so over time people
become more sensitive – some people have been reduced to only
a few foods (lamb, celery, rice)
• Actively discourages supplements, esp Vit C, Fish Oil, Zinc


Here is what it had to say about why it works:


– Eliminates almost all Colours, Flavours &
Preservatives
– Some people do have a problem with Salicylates,
Amines and/or glutamates
– Very hard to find processed foods that meet the
criteria so you usually HAVE to COOK!
– Emphasises that it is not just foods – so you clean up
the environment
– Good support network – groups, newsletters, etc.
– Group Members share safe brands & brands with
“hidden” additives so you get better results
FAILSAFE
Why some people have problems with it:
• Doesn’t eliminate al hidden sulphites
•

Hi,

Put your mind into a symptom and a memory will come to mind.

Abby


-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2008 12:55 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food

Sorry for my short emails - not much time here with two very active
boys ...

So how would one know what event / image is associated with an illness ?

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 7:34 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food






Hi Dorota,

I use either Tad James's timeline technique or my bliss technique. The
technique is a lot easier to use on yourself.

How?

Without having to write pages of notes.... think of a memory / event
that is
associated with a health problem. Eg if you have fibromyalgia then go
into
the pain and identify a memory / image that surfaces when you do so.

Then act as if you can float away from the memory / image until the
image
becomes as small as a dot.... tell yourself there is something to be
learned... go for an understanding of the event ... this understanding
should arise at the level of the unconscious mind... as the
understanding
arises the negative emotions associated with the event will
disappear... to
make sure forget about the event and float back into a relaxed meditated
state... when you look back the the event... emotions will be gone...

You feel a shift in the body when this process works.... if you are
working
on a symptom you often feel the a lessening of the symptom
immeditatialy.

Use this technique systematically on all associated memories.

In addition use self hypnosis with a pendullumn calibrated for yes / no
responses. Then ask questions... ask the unconscious mind to heal the
problem... ask how long will it take... and so on.

It works....

I have some CD's coming out soon which will describe it in detail.

Cheers
Abby Eagle
www.abbyeagle.com
Gold Coast Aust.

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:36 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
and food

how do you clear them?

Dorota

-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 5:10 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
and food

Hi Sarah,

In working with a client to heal a 'psychological' problem I often find
that
the root cause is a memory in the womb. For example mum is having an
argument with dad - or mum is angry, worried and so on. (I use NLP and
hypnosis)

.... Over the last 4 weeks or so I have removed virtually every possible
problem food from my diet.... and some if not most of the symptoms
remain...
what seems to be working though is clearing up the negative memories
that
are associated with the symptom.

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 7:15 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and
food

Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated. and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Sorry for my short emails - not much time here with two very active
boys ...

So how would one know what event / image is associated with an illness ?

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 7:34 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food






Hi Dorota,

I use either Tad James's timeline technique or my bliss technique. The
technique is a lot easier to use on yourself.

How?

Without having to write pages of notes.... think of a memory / event
that is
associated with a health problem. Eg if you have fibromyalgia then go
into
the pain and identify a memory / image that surfaces when you do so.

Then act as if you can float away from the memory / image until the
image
becomes as small as a dot.... tell yourself there is something to be
learned... go for an understanding of the event ... this understanding
should arise at the level of the unconscious mind... as the
understanding
arises the negative emotions associated with the event will
disappear... to
make sure forget about the event and float back into a relaxed meditated
state... when you look back the the event... emotions will be gone...

You feel a shift in the body when this process works.... if you are
working
on a symptom you often feel the a lessening of the symptom
immeditatialy.

Use this technique systematically on all associated memories.

In addition use self hypnosis with a pendullumn calibrated for yes / no
responses. Then ask questions... ask the unconscious mind to heal the
problem... ask how long will it take... and so on.

It works....

I have some CD's coming out soon which will describe it in detail.

Cheers
Abby Eagle
www.abbyeagle.com
Gold Coast Aust.

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:36 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
and food

how do you clear them?

Dorota

-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 5:10 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
and food

Hi Sarah,

In working with a client to heal a 'psychological' problem I often find
that
the root cause is a memory in the womb. For example mum is having an
argument with dad - or mum is angry, worried and so on. (I use NLP and
hypnosis)

.... Over the last 4 weeks or so I have removed virtually every possible
problem food from my diet.... and some if not most of the symptoms
remain...
what seems to be working though is clearing up the negative memories
that
are associated with the symptom.

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 7:15 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and
food

Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated. and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Hi Dorota,


I use either Tad James's timeline technique or my bliss technique. The
technique is a lot easier to use on yourself.

How?

Without having to write pages of notes.... think of a memory / event that is
associated with a health problem. Eg if you have fibromyalgia then go into
the pain and identify a memory / image that surfaces when you do so.

Then act as if you can float away from the memory / image until the image
becomes as small as a dot.... tell yourself there is something to be
learned... go for an understanding of the event ... this understanding
should arise at the level of the unconscious mind... as the understanding
arises the negative emotions associated with the event will disappear... to
make sure forget about the event and float back into a relaxed meditated
state... when you look back the the event... emotions will be gone...

You feel a shift in the body when this process works.... if you are working
on a symptom you often feel the a lessening of the symptom immeditatialy.

Use this technique systematically on all associated memories.


In addition use self hypnosis with a pendullumn calibrated for yes / no
responses. Then ask questions... ask the unconscious mind to heal the
problem... ask how long will it take... and so on.


It works....


I have some CD's coming out soon which will describe it in detail.


Cheers
Abby Eagle
www.abbyeagle.com
Gold Coast Aust.


-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 3:36 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food

how do you clear them?

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 5:10 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food






Hi Sarah,

In working with a client to heal a 'psychological' problem I often find that
the root cause is a memory in the womb. For example mum is having an
argument with dad - or mum is angry, worried and so on. (I use NLP and
hypnosis)

.... Over the last 4 weeks or so I have removed virtually every possible
problem food from my diet.... and some if not most of the symptoms remain...
what seems to be working though is clearing up the negative memories that
are associated with the symptom.

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 7:15 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food

Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated. and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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how do you clear them?

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 5:10 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food






Hi Sarah,

In working with a client to heal a 'psychological' problem I often find that
the root cause is a memory in the womb. For example mum is having an
argument with dad - or mum is angry, worried and so on. (I use NLP and
hypnosis)

.... Over the last 4 weeks or so I have removed virtually every possible
problem food from my diet.... and some if not most of the symptoms remain...
what seems to be working though is clearing up the negative memories that
are associated with the symptom.

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 7:15 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food

Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated. and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Maybe the "conditioning" is more through the immune system components that are
shared... stress begins a number of chemical changes that also affect the immune
system... just like you said.

Bummer for gluten and fruits - now you have no excuses ;)

http://generationrescue.com/biomedical.html

Interesting (US) site that lists what to do to help healing

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah <sarah@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 5:15 pm
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and food






Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated. and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Dorota,

I worked once with a woman who had sever asthma --- she had a chemical
sensitivity to formaldehyde -- she owned a furniture shop ... but when her
husband and son and a fall out she developed an association between the
smell of the furniture and the emotions she experienced when the men fought.

When I cleared the memory the astham was greatly reduced.

I think that we sometimes program ourselves to form an association to a
stimulus... out of fear or knowledge...

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 7:08 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food

hmmm..

but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to food...

I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells because in my
mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive children, and so on some
subconscious level I reject them, I'm always super aware of them... also
there is some change in our body chemistry when we have children - perhaps
to be more compassionate with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from
chemicals...

But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells - tell
someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when you're
unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something odorous?will
you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?

I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but also could
be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close connection with
the brain....?

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food






Hi Dorota,

You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?

An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine against a
virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a percentage of
women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him what
triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that the virus
does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.

I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food items
(Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the reaction
we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear the
memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.

Just a few thoughts...

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food

Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
unmasking the allergy"
Why does that happen?
Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from something
just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this happens?
Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies present??
Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years most,
right? ) ..

Dorota

-----Original Message-----
From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food

Hi V152,

I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for everyone... I
think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she could
be also talking about intolerance too... JMO

-renee

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
<clip>
In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face expressionless,
regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a manual
typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people ate
daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible toxic
exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with items
people were exposed to frequently or habitually....

To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected allergens,
based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated his
client from these suspected allergens for a period of time - usually
five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to be
detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses, unmasking
the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office to
eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was acute.
<clip>

vinny152 wrote:
>
> ............
> Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and has
> written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target organ".
> He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> his name to get a lot more information on food allergies... .......v152
>

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Hi Sarah,

In working with a client to heal a 'psychological' problem I often find that
the root cause is a memory in the womb. For example mum is having an
argument with dad - or mum is angry, worried and so on. (I use NLP and
hypnosis)

.... Over the last 4 weeks or so I have removed virtually every possible
problem food from my diet.... and some if not most of the symptoms remain...
what seems to be working though is clearing up the negative memories that
are associated with the symptom.

Abby



-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarah
Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2008 7:15 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food

Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated.  and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Dorota they ca nbe conditioned thru breastmilk I blieve, the mothers
reaction and the symbiotic relationship... think of Kenz and all the
stress that I've had which has 'indirectly' affected him, he is no
longer on breastmilk but still has the problems associated with the
same foods as me... we have just found out yesterday that both of us
are completely gluten intolerant, also both must avoid most fruits.

the role of stress (physical/emotional/otherwise) on our bodies
(mind/blood/digestion/otherwise) cannot be underestimated.  and in
this current world it is only getting worse.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, Etorod@... wrote:
>
> hmmm..
>
> but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to
food...
>
> I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells
because in my mind they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive
children, and so on some subconscious level I reject them, I'm always
super aware of them... also there is some change in our body
chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...
>
> But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells -
tell someone close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when
you're unaware of being tested.??If they present you with something
odorous?will you still get a reaction when you can't smell it?
>
> I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but
also could be dependant on the structures of the nose being in close
connection with the brain....?
>
> Dorota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
> Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and food
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Dorota,
>
> You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?
>
> An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine
against a
> virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a
percentage of
> women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him
what
> triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that
the virus
> does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.
>
> I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food
items
> (Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the
reaction
> we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear
the
> memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.
>
> Just a few thoughts...
>
> Abby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Etorod@...
> Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity
> and food
>
> Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
> unmasking the allergy"
> Why does that happen?
> Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from
something
> just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this
happens?
> Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies
present??
> Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years
most,
> right? ) ..
>
> Dorota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
> To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
> Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical
sensitivity and
> food
>
> Hi V152,
>
> I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
> thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for
everyone... I
> think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she
could
> be also talking about intolerance too... JMO
>
> -renee
>
> http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
> <clip>
> In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
> thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face
expressionless,
> regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a
manual
> typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people
ate
> daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible
toxic
> exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with
items
> people were exposed to frequently or habitually....
>
> To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected
allergens,
> based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated
his
> client from these suspected allergens for a period of time -
usually
> five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to
be
> detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses,
unmasking
> the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office
to
> eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
> results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was
acute.
> <clip>
>
> vinny152 wrote:
> >
> > ............
> > Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and
has
> > written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target
organ".
> > He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> > his name to get a lot more information on food
allergies... .......v152
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

hmmm..

but in case of children - they are not conditioned to react to food...

I was thinking that I am starting to react to chemical smells because in my mind
they are the "enemy" of my very sensitive children, and so on some subconscious
level I reject them, I'm always super aware of them... also there is some change
in our body chemistry when we have children - perhaps to be more compassionate
with the delicate baby, to shelter him better from chemicals...

But to test that "conditioning"- those of you who react to smells - tell someone
close to do this challenge when you have a cold and when you're unaware of being
tested.??If they present you with something odorous?will you still get a
reaction when you can't smell it?

I thought the smell can be still absorbed through the mouth, but also could be
dependant on the structures of the nose being in close connection with the
brain....?

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 4:46 am
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food






Hi Dorota,

You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?

An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine against a
virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a percentage of
women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him what
triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that the virus
does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.

I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food items
(Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the reaction
we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear the
memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.

Just a few thoughts...

Abby

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food

Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
unmasking the allergy"
Why does that happen?
Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from something
just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this happens?
Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies present??
Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years most,
right? ) ..

Dorota

-----Original Message-----
From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food

Hi V152,

I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for everyone... I
think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she could
be also talking about intolerance too... JMO

-renee

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
<clip>
In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face expressionless,
regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a manual
typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people ate
daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible toxic
exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with items
people were exposed to frequently or habitually....

To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected allergens,
based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated his
client from these suspected allergens for a period of time - usually
five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to be
detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses, unmasking
the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office to
eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was acute.
<clip>

vinny152 wrote:
>
> ............
> Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and has
> written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target organ".
> He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> his name to get a lot more information on food allergies... .......v152
>

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I came across this interesting article today, posted on another group:

http://www.arltma.com/SugarCarbIntolDoc.htm

Has anyone read "Degeneration - Regeneration" by Dr. Melvin Page? I
can't decide whether it is worth ordering from the States.

Miriam

Hi Dorota,


You know I have often wondered what actually triggers 'something'?

An Australian doctor got a nobel prize for developing a vaccine against a
virus which he said causes ovarian cancer ---- yet only a percentage of
women who have the virus get cancer. When the interviewer asked him what
triggers the cancer he had no idea. --- my thinking would say that the virus
does not cause the cancer if another trigger needs to be present.

I think that in some cases memories becomes associated with food items
(Pavlovian conditioning).... then when the memory is triggered the reaction
we get a reaction to the food - or in some cases a flare up. Clear the
memory and the reaction to the food should also disappear.

Just a few thoughts...

Abby


-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Etorod@...
Sent: Monday, 27 October 2008 2:38 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity
and food

Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses,
unmasking the allergy"
Why does that happen?
Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from something
just to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this happens?
Shouldn't the body react less since there could be less antibodies present??
Or those dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years most,
right? ) ..

Dorota



-----Original Message-----
From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and
food






Hi V152,

I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for everyone... I
think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she could
be also talking about intolerance too... JMO

-renee

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
<clip>
In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face expressionless,
regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a manual
typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people ate
daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible toxic
exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with items
people were exposed to frequently or habitually....

To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected allergens,
based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated his
client from these suspected allergens for a period of time - usually
five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to be
detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses, unmasking
the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office to
eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was acute.
<clip>

vinny152 wrote:
>
> ............
> Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and has
> written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target organ".
> He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> his name to get a lot more information on food allergies... .......v152
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Ok, what is the mechanism by which the "body relaxes it's defenses, unmasking
the allergy"
Why does that happen?
Isn't that the crux of FS elimination diet - you stay away from something just
to see dramatic results when you reintroduce it... why this happens? Shouldn't
the body react less since there could be less antibodies present?? Or those
dissipate over a longer period of time ( I think 2 years most, right? ) ..

Dorota



-----Original Message-----
From: Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...>
To: FailsafeUSA@yahoogroups.com; FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:14 pm
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: [FailsafeUSA] Multiple Chemical sensitivity and food






Hi V152,

I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned. I
thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for everyone... I
think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she could
be also talking about intolerance too... JMO

-renee

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
<clip>
In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face expressionless,
regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a manual
typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people ate
daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible toxic
exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with items
people were exposed to frequently or habitually....

To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected allergens,
based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated his
client from these suspected allergens for a period of time - usually
five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to be
detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses, unmasking
the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office to
eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was acute.
<clip>

vinny152 wrote:
>
> ............
> Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and has
> written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target organ".
> He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> his name to get a lot more information on food allergies... .......v152
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi V152,

I looked around the internet for this doctor you have mentioned.  I
thought the info here was very good, so I took a clip for everyone... I
think where this person uses the word allergy, I really think she could
be also talking about intolerance too... JMO

-renee

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/aug/08hawkins.html
<clip>
In his initial intake, Dr. Randolph interviewed his clients quite
thoroughly. He asked many questions and kept his face expressionless,
regardless of their answers, while typing their responses on a manual
typewriter....In addition, he asked specifically about foods people ate
daily or even repeatedly throughout the day, as well as possible toxic
exposures in the home and at work. He was concerned primarily with items
people were exposed to frequently or habitually....

To unmask the allergy, Dr. Randolph guessed the suspected allergens,
based on the results of his interview. He then strictly isolated his
client from these suspected allergens for a period of time - usually
five days. During this period, the allergen had the opportunity to be
detoxified from the body and the body relaxed its defenses, unmasking
the allergy. Next, Dr. Randolph had the client return to his office to
eat the suspected foods, inhale the suspicious chemicals, etc. The
results were dramatic. With the allergy unmasked, the response was acute.
<clip>

vinny152 wrote:
>
> ............
> Dr. Theron Randolph was the expert allergist on this subject-and has
> written several books-incl. his observations on"switch of target organ".
> He was a remarkable scientist-and if you are interested can google
> his name to get a lot more information on food allergies... .......v152
>

Thanks to everyone for your feedback.  ;-)



My son was tested and came back with high oxalates in urine.  I am thinking
that I will start from there.



Any thoughts on oxalates (versus salycilates or amines, etc.)?



Leslie D Gray







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Yes, I would agree with this.  Buy one of the books on Failsafe such
as "Fed Up" by Sue Dengate and do the exclusion diet exactly as she
says.  Then test various things by reintroducing them in a controlled
way.  After you know what your specific problems are you can adapt
your new diet to be as NT as possible.  If you try to remain NT during
the exclusion diet you'll probably spoil the experiment.

Miriam

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com, "Naomi Lorenzini" <Naomi@...> wrote:
> Throw out everything you know.  Go to the elimination diet, join the
> failsafeusa yahoo group.  Figure out what your reacting too first so
you can build your diet from scratch.  With the headaches sounds like
amines, ibs probably gluten and casein protein is close to gluten so
give dairy up to, goat's milk has less casein.
> Naomi

Leslie,

Throw out everything you know.  Go to the elimination diet, join the
failsafeusa yahoo group.  Figure out what your reacting too first so you can
build your diet from scratch.  With the headaches sounds like amines, ibs
probably gluten and casein protein is close to gluten so give dairy up to,
goat's milk has less casein.

Naomi

   _____

From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Renee Cyr
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:53 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Intro and questions



Hey, guys, anyone have info for Leslie? I've already innundated her
with my opinions off line, and on. Hi Leslie!
I'll give you a few more imbedded below.

Renee

Leslie Gray wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I am hopeful that implementing the Failsafe principles will alleviate some
of my husband
> and son's symptoms. Husband: Headaches, back pain, irritable, IBS, sound
and smell
> sensitivity, prefers to eat bland. Son: mild ASD symptoms - repetitive
rocking and singing
> on occasion - although otherwise fully functional.
>
> Both husband and son have improved health since implementing a WAPF diet
over 4 years
> ago. Recently started a GAPS diet for my son in hopes of reaching complete
recovery.
>
> I have a lot of questions that keep popping up in my head. I feel like I
have to "unlearn"
> some WAPF principles in order to follow the diet. I'm sort of in a state
of shock. I can't
> believe that my beloved coconut products might be causing problems.
>
I don't think you have to Drop WAPF like a hot potato, I just think
certain people need a different blend... of bland and WAPF...to help
them feel better.
> Anyway, here are my questions:
>
> Fermented beverages:
> Are these bad? I am assuming yes - but my husband really like Kombucha
Tea. My son
> loves drinking Coconut kefir. Could these drinks be causing unwanted
symptoms? I
> thought they were supposed to help them detoxify.
>
> Bone broth:
> This has been the cornerstone of our diet for years - especially since on
the GAPS diet. So
> should we avoid stock, or just do a short simmer? What about vinegar.
Should I soak the
> bones? What vinegar should I use? Does the mineral content go down
drastically without
> the vinegar soak or short simmer?
>
You could try a pressure cooker and less time if you want lower amines,
so they say (I don't have one) Also, some people cook chicken with
bones and no skin over their rice to get some broth benefits with lower
amines.
> Bread and grains:
> Since on the GAPS diet, we have not been eating any bread (or any grains).
Before that -
> we were eating whole grain sprouted breads, homemade sourdough breads,
etc. Then
> Failsafe says that processed grains are better tolerated. I am so
confused. That seems so
> wrong. Even though I am chomping at the bit to make homemade white bread
(because it
> sounds really good) - I just can't wrap my head around how this could be
better. And - do
> you all still soak your oats for oatmeal? Does this cause a problem?
>
I've been soaking my whole grains with a pinch of yeast overnight. I am
trying to do a 50/50 on whole versus white for my bread. What tastes
good to your husband? I like certain whole grains lately... namely
sorghum, millet, teff, quinoa. I have lost my taste for buckwheat,
oats... Brown rice... metza metza... I consider tapioca pretty healthy,
White rice seems to be a well behaved filler for people who need
calories, Potato starch is yummy, but I use it sparingly to make my
baked items work. I think a balance of fat,meat, carb is best for me.
Some people, Emma Davies for example, actually run failsafe low carb,
all the way to ketogenic even. Then, you are doing lots of meat, fish
and high fat dairy.
> Fats and OIls:
> Okay, I have so much coconut oil in my cabinet. I have been using Expellar
Pressed coco
> oil mostly. Is this any better (as far as Failsafe is concerned) than
extra virgin coco oil.
> What about EVOO and sesame oil? If I want to make mayo, what fat should I
use?
>
I've heard some failsafers really do well on light Not virgin olive
oil. (while others don't) I haven't been using mayo, so I can't
comment. I like garlic butter and seasalt on salad! Pure tallow is
failsafe, I think. Ghee...I bet a really pure lard or chicken fat would
also be ok with many failsafers. Perhaps as you figure out... Are you
sal responders, amine responders... You'll get a feel for the tradeoffs
you need to make.
> Coconut Products:
> Speaking of coconut, how about coconut juice, coconut flour, dessicated
coconut? Is it all
> bad on Failsafe?
>
I do very little coconut. As with most things, I don't write it off
totally... I don't really like it enough to give up something else for
it. But, if I was in a restaurant, and there was coconut juice on the
menu, I might say, hey, that sounds great, why not? I know it would be
less reactive for me than the wine...I use Kombucha in the same way...
as a treat, I guess. I hate, absolutely hate coconut flour, blech. I
tried coconut milk in my coffee recently, also blech.
> Sweeteners:
> How about agave nectar? Does RAW honey have more sals (or less)? I feel so
weird using
> white cane sugar.
>
I use maple syrup for my sweetner whenever i can. I use organic sugar
for baking.
> Vinegar:
> What vinegar do ya'll use for salad dressings, etc.
>
> Dairy:
> Does raw or pasturized matter in the Failsafe situation? My milk is from
grass-fed Dutch
> Belted cows. Do you think this is A2 milk? I've never heard of this
before. Do you think
> this matters?
>
I never dreamed that casein was my problem, but now looking back on my
whole health food track, when I was a vegan for that one month there...
I did feel pretty good! I think it is well worth it to try the
different types of milk, One of our posters, Elena, found that goat milk
was a very important food for her, while cow milk was bad.
> Coffee:
> I am having a hard time thinking about giving up coffee (and I can't
imagine my husband
> not drinking it either). Has anyone heard of cold brewed coffee? Do you
think that would
> make any difference here? Instant decaf coffee is not my cup of tea, if
you know what I
> mean.
>
Caffeine is a really big problem for me... You are in for it if you try
to go cold turkey. (headaches!) so go slow if you decide to make the
switch. I did this long ago and got a massive migraine! I like to put
a teaspoon of maple syrup and a few drops of vanilla in. I love it!
(even with no cream!) If caffeine is a problem, the switch is well
worth it.
> Supplements:
> We take fermented CLO and recently introduced BO. My son takes a lot of
supplements -
> like B-6 and Magnesium, calcium, zinc, digestive enzymes, vit C,
multi-vitamin. His
> doctor recently recommended vitamin K2 drops. Any thoughts on this???
>
The textbook answer is...that you need to treat each supp as its own
trial to see if there are reactions to each. I actually react a little
to my multi, but I consider it so important right now that I just take a
few days off when I build a reaction, and go back to it. I'm only
taking 1/6 of a daily dose! (no copper, no iron multi)
> Are there any long term solutions to heal from this problem, or is the
Failsafe diet just a
> way of coping with the symptoms? I think my husband could deal with it,
but I hate to
> think of my son living his life like this - avoiding so many foods.
>
My pet theory now is: 1. Northern Gene people need to eat less
vegetables and herbs. 2. Everyone who is food intolerant should take a
long break off of Gluten and Dairy and work on their nutritional status
during that time to see if their symptoms get better (I suspect that
the glued up gut makes us low on iodine,zinc and other nutrients) Some
may be able to add them back, some may be genetically predisposed
against these foods. It might be best to get the genetic testing for
this so that you can make the decision whether to add these foods back.
3. I think zinc and iodine are two of the important nutrients that
get low
> Okay, I think that's it for now. Thanks for all of your feedback. ;-)
>
> Leslie
>
>
>
>
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, guys, anyone have info for Leslie?  I've already innundated her
with my opinions off line, and on.   Hi Leslie!
I'll give you a few more imbedded below.

Renee

Leslie Gray wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> I am hopeful that implementing the Failsafe principles will alleviate some of
my husband
> and son's symptoms.  Husband: Headaches, back pain, irritable, IBS, sound and
smell
> sensitivity, prefers to eat bland.  Son: mild ASD symptoms - repetitive
rocking and singing
> on occasion - although otherwise fully functional.
>
> Both husband and son have improved health since implementing a WAPF diet over
4 years
> ago.  Recently started a GAPS diet for my son in hopes of reaching complete
recovery.
>
> I have a lot of questions that keep popping up in my head.  I feel like I have
to "unlearn"
> some WAPF principles in order to follow the diet.  I'm sort of in a state of
shock.  I can't
> believe that my beloved coconut products might be causing problems.
>
I don't think you have to Drop WAPF like a hot potato, I just think
certain people need a different blend... of bland and WAPF...to help
them feel better.
> Anyway, here are my questions:
>
> Fermented beverages:
> Are these bad?  I am assuming yes - but my husband really like Kombucha Tea.
My son
> loves drinking Coconut kefir.  Could these drinks be causing unwanted
symptoms?  I
> thought they were supposed to help them detoxify.
>
> Bone broth:
> This has been the cornerstone of our diet for years - especially since on the
GAPS diet.  So
> should we avoid stock, or just do a short simmer?  What about vinegar.  Should
I soak the
> bones?  What vinegar should I use?  Does the mineral content go down
drastically without
> the vinegar soak or short simmer?
>
You could try a pressure cooker and less time if you want lower amines,
so they say (I don't have one)  Also, some people cook chicken with
bones and no skin over their rice to get some broth benefits with lower
amines.
> Bread and grains:
> Since on the GAPS diet, we have not been eating any bread (or any grains). 
Before that -
> we were eating whole grain sprouted breads, homemade sourdough breads, etc. 
Then
> Failsafe says that processed grains are better tolerated.  I am so confused. 
That seems so
> wrong.  Even though I am chomping at the bit to make homemade white bread
(because it
> sounds really good) - I just can't wrap my head around how this could be
better.  And - do
> you all still soak your oats for oatmeal?  Does this cause a problem?
>
I've been soaking my whole grains with a pinch of yeast overnight.  I am
trying to do a 50/50 on whole versus white for my bread.  What tastes
good to your husband?   I like certain whole grains lately... namely
sorghum, millet, teff, quinoa.  I have lost my taste for buckwheat,
oats... Brown rice... metza metza... I consider tapioca pretty healthy,
White rice seems to be a well behaved filler for people who need
calories, Potato starch is yummy, but I use it sparingly to make my
baked items work.  I think a balance of fat,meat, carb is best for me.
Some people, Emma Davies for example, actually run failsafe low carb,
all the way to ketogenic even.  Then, you are doing lots of meat, fish
and high fat dairy.
> Fats and OIls:
> Okay, I have so much coconut oil in my cabinet.  I have been using Expellar
Pressed coco
> oil mostly.  Is this any better (as far as Failsafe is concerned) than extra
virgin coco oil.
> What about EVOO and sesame oil?  If I want to make mayo, what fat should I
use?
>
I've heard some failsafers really do well on light Not virgin olive
oil.  (while others don't)  I haven't been using mayo, so I can't
comment.   I like garlic butter and seasalt on salad!   Pure tallow is
failsafe, I think.  Ghee...I bet a really pure lard or chicken fat would
also be ok with many failsafers.  Perhaps as you figure out... Are you
sal responders, amine responders... You'll get a feel for the tradeoffs
you need to make.
> Coconut Products:
> Speaking of coconut, how about coconut juice, coconut flour, dessicated
coconut?  Is it all
> bad on Failsafe?
>
I do very little coconut.  As with most things, I don't write it off
totally... I don't really like it enough to give up something else for
it.  But, if I was in a restaurant, and there was coconut juice on the
menu, I might say, hey, that sounds great, why not?  I know it would be
less reactive for me than the wine...I use Kombucha in the same way...
as a treat, I guess.  I hate, absolutely hate coconut flour, blech.  I
tried coconut milk in my coffee recently, also blech.
> Sweeteners:
> How about agave nectar?  Does RAW honey have more sals (or less)?  I feel so
weird using
> white cane sugar.
>
I use maple syrup for my sweetner whenever i can.   I use organic sugar
for baking.
> Vinegar:
> What vinegar do ya'll use for salad dressings, etc.
>
> Dairy:
> Does raw or pasturized matter in the Failsafe situation?  My milk is from
grass-fed Dutch
> Belted cows.  Do you think this is A2 milk?  I've never heard of this before. 
Do  you think
> this matters?
>
I never dreamed that casein was my problem, but now looking back on my
whole health food track, when I was a vegan for that one month there...
I did feel pretty good!  I think it is well worth it to try the
different types of milk, One of our posters, Elena, found that goat milk
was a very important food for her, while cow milk was bad.
> Coffee:
> I am having a hard time thinking about giving up coffee (and I can't imagine
my husband
> not drinking it either).   Has anyone heard of cold brewed coffee?  Do you
think that would
> make any difference here?  Instant decaf coffee is not my cup of tea, if you
know what I
> mean.
>
Caffeine is a really big problem for me... You are in for it if you try
to go cold turkey.  (headaches!)  so go slow if you decide to make the
switch.  I did this long ago and got a massive migraine!   I like to put
a teaspoon of maple syrup and a few drops of vanilla in.  I love it!
(even with no cream!)  If caffeine is a problem, the switch is well
worth it.
> Supplements:
> We take fermented CLO and recently introduced BO.  My son takes a lot of
supplements -
> like B-6 and Magnesium, calcium, zinc, digestive enzymes, vit C,
multi-vitamin.  His
> doctor recently recommended vitamin K2 drops.  Any thoughts on this???
>
The textbook answer is...that you need to treat each supp as its own
trial to see if there are reactions to each.  I actually react a little
to my multi, but I consider it so important right now that I just take a
few days off when I build a reaction, and go back to it.  I'm only
taking 1/6 of a daily dose!  (no copper, no iron multi)
> Are there any long term solutions to heal from this problem, or is the
Failsafe diet just a
> way of coping with the symptoms?  I think my husband could deal with it, but I
hate to
> think of my son living his life like this - avoiding so many foods.
>
My pet theory now is:  1.  Northern Gene people need to eat less
vegetables and herbs.  2.  Everyone who is food intolerant should take a
long break off of Gluten and Dairy and work on their nutritional status
during that time to see if their symptoms get better    (I suspect that
the glued up gut makes us low on iodine,zinc and other nutrients)   Some
may be able to add them back, some may be genetically predisposed
against these foods.   It might be best to get the genetic testing for
this so that you can make the decision whether to add these foods back.
   3.  I think zinc and iodine are two of the important nutrients that
get low
> Okay, I think that's it for now.  Thanks for all of your feedback.   ;-)
>
> Leslie
>
>
>
>
>

Hello everyone.

I am hopeful that implementing the Failsafe principles will alleviate some of my
husband
and son's symptoms.  Husband: Headaches, back pain, irritable, IBS, sound and
smell
sensitivity, prefers to eat bland.  Son: mild ASD symptoms - repetitive rocking
and singing
on occasion - although otherwise fully functional.

Both husband and son have improved health since implementing a WAPF diet over 4
years
ago.  Recently started a GAPS diet for my son in hopes of reaching complete
recovery.

I have a lot of questions that keep popping up in my head.  I feel like I have
to "unlearn"
some WAPF principles in order to follow the diet.  I'm sort of in a state of
shock.  I can't
believe that my beloved coconut products might be causing problems.

Anyway, here are my questions:

Fermented beverages:
Are these bad?  I am assuming yes - but my husband really like Kombucha Tea. My
son
loves drinking Coconut kefir.  Could these drinks be causing unwanted symptoms? 
I
thought they were supposed to help them detoxify.

Bone broth:
This has been the cornerstone of our diet for years - especially since on the
GAPS diet.  So
should we avoid stock, or just do a short simmer?  What about vinegar.  Should I
soak the
bones?  What vinegar should I use?  Does the mineral content go down drastically
without
the vinegar soak or short simmer?

Bread and grains:
Since on the GAPS diet, we have not been eating any bread (or any grains). 
Before that -
we were eating whole grain sprouted breads, homemade sourdough breads, etc. 
Then
Failsafe says that processed grains are better tolerated.  I am so confused. 
That seems so
wrong.  Even though I am chomping at the bit to make homemade white bread
(because it
sounds really good) - I just can't wrap my head around how this could be better.
And - do
you all still soak your oats for oatmeal?  Does this cause a problem?

Fats and OIls:
Okay, I have so much coconut oil in my cabinet.  I have been using Expellar
Pressed coco
oil mostly.  Is this any better (as far as Failsafe is concerned) than extra
virgin coco oil.
What about EVOO and sesame oil?  If I want to make mayo, what fat should I use?

Coconut Products:
Speaking of coconut, how about coconut juice, coconut flour, dessicated coconut?
Is it all
bad on Failsafe?

Sweeteners:
How about agave nectar?  Does RAW honey have more sals (or less)?  I feel so
weird using
white cane sugar.

Vinegar:
What vinegar do ya'll use for salad dressings, etc.

Dairy:
Does raw or pasturized matter in the Failsafe situation?  My milk is from
grass-fed Dutch
Belted cows.  Do you think this is A2 milk?  I've never heard of this before. 
Do  you think
this matters?

Coffee:
I am having a hard time thinking about giving up coffee (and I can't imagine my
husband
not drinking it either).   Has anyone heard of cold brewed coffee?  Do you think
that would
make any difference here?  Instant decaf coffee is not my cup of tea, if you
know what I
mean.

Supplements:
We take fermented CLO and recently introduced BO.  My son takes a lot of
supplements -
like B-6 and Magnesium, calcium, zinc, digestive enzymes, vit C, multi-vitamin. 
His
doctor recently recommended vitamin K2 drops.  Any thoughts on this???

Are there any long term solutions to heal from this problem, or is the Failsafe
diet just a
way of coping with the symptoms?  I think my husband could deal with it, but I
hate to
think of my son living his life like this - avoiding so many foods.

Okay, I think that's it for now.  Thanks for all of your feedback.   ;-)

Leslie

Hi Renee,

Did you eat the chips at the same time each day? Could be an incorrect
association?

Since I started the fail safe my celtic sea salt intake has probably
doubled.

Once on the diet I got cravings for chocolate... normally I would only eat
chocolate once every few months but since on the diet cravings.. I have not
eaten any and slowly the cravings have virtually disappeared.

Hmmmm

Abby


-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Renee Cyr
Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 11:36 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Solutions

Hi Abby, there have been a few times in the last 2 weeks that my leg has
been thinking about cramping up... you must know what I mean?  Usually,
it is when my foot is in the pointed position (say, while kneeling to
make a fire in my woodstove)  To stop it I immediately flex the foot up,
and usually it goes away...

Well, I noticed that this leg crampiness was always a few hours after
having some potato chips from a bag I bought about 2 weeks ago.  It
makes me wonder if it is basically too much salt upsetting my mineral
balance.

Interesting that you had a good week and then a bad week.  Some people
actually do think running failsafe strictly can heal of it self, but
others think it is just a way to cope, a way to get some breathing room,
clear the air and get balanced on the way to finding a solution.

I really think if I was sufficient in all vits and mins I would be more
tolerant.  But I also think my genes lean me toward needing a lower
chemical diet.  I wish I could design a diet that would target just the
right foods (failsafe or not) for my problems.

Does anyone, like me, have cravings?
For me, I think kvass sounds good (not a lot, just a sip or two), pad
thai made with fish sauce, I've just learned I really like idli,
occasionally chicken liver is very appealing, and I've been wanting
sauteed mushrooms.

Things I don't like much anymore:  oranges, hot and spicy food, most
wines, salad

Renee


Abby Eagle wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since you asked for other things.
>
> In brief I am still trialing the failsafe diet.
> Got good results for a week or so then fybromyalgia symptoms came back.
> Did not make sense.
> Got a calf cramp and a  charley horse.
>
> But I used my NLP and hypnosis to great effect.
> Anger memories stored in the legs seem to an underlying issue.
>
> Am now working on clearing up all memories of anger and changing my
> 'attitude' so as not to generate any more anger.
>
> Will write it up in detail when I get time...
>
> Over the years have got some amazing health results with clientele who did
> not respond to naturopathic or medical treatment.
>
> I think the message is, that we sometimes need to look elsewhere for
> influences on 'the problem'.
>
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Abby Eagle
> www.abbyeagle.com
>
>
>
>


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Sprouts
How about moong bean sprouts, they are FS for sure and are very similar in
benefits, I think.

Dorota

-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:00 pm
Subject: [FailsafeNT] wheatgrass juice






Hi,

While I am trialing the failsafe diet I have stopped drinking wheatgrass
juice.

Does anyone have any idea of what category that food would come under?

I would like to re introduce it asap.

Kind regards
Abby Eagle

NLP Life Coaching
www.abbyeagle.com
www.rejoiceinlife.com
07 5576 4270






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well,
anger, resentment, stress all create changes in our chemistry, and it snowballs
from there.

I've heard that just the physical stretching of your lips in a smile produces
counteractive chemicals that aid in?all kinds of positive ways!? So smile in
face of your problems and you'll be all set, I guess.

Dorota


-----Original Message-----
From: Abby Eagle <abbyeagle@...>
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 8:41 pm
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Solutions







Hi,

Since you asked for other things.

In brief I am still trialing the failsafe diet.
Got good results for a week or so then fybromyalgia symptoms came back.
Did not make sense.
Got a calf cramp and a charley horse.

But I used my NLP and hypnosis to great effect.
Anger memories stored in the legs seem to an underlying issue.

Am now working on clearing up all memories of anger and changing my
'attitude' so as not to generate any more anger.

Will write it up in detail when I get time...

Over the years have got some amazing health results with clientele who did
not respond to naturopathic or medical treatment.

I think the message is, that we sometimes need to look elsewhere for
influences on 'the problem'.

Kind regards.

Abby Eagle
www.abbyeagle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Renee Cyr
Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 6:54 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Solutions

Naomi Lorenzini wrote:
> Anyone have any luck with a solution for the amine and salicylate
> sensitivity. I'm tired of hiding the fruit and being so careful and
> having bad days and good days all mixed up. I was told this was the
> board for outside discussion about other things that worked. I tried
> the b12 for a couple of months but maybe haven't done it long enough
> to make a difference but it's not making a big enough difference yet.
>
> Thanks
> Naomi
>
>
>
Hi Naomi,
I just wanted to reply to this thread to keep it alive because I
think it would be great to hear more about solutions. I'm interesting
in working in more zinc foods...such as oysters.

Renee

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Abby, there have been a few times in the last 2 weeks that my leg has
been thinking about cramping up... you must know what I mean?  Usually,
it is when my foot is in the pointed position (say, while kneeling to
make a fire in my woodstove)  To stop it I immediately flex the foot up,
and usually it goes away...

Well, I noticed that this leg crampiness was always a few hours after
having some potato chips from a bag I bought about 2 weeks ago.  It
makes me wonder if it is basically too much salt upsetting my mineral
balance.

Interesting that you had a good week and then a bad week.  Some people
actually do think running failsafe strictly can heal of it self, but
others think it is just a way to cope, a way to get some breathing room,
clear the air and get balanced on the way to finding a solution.

I really think if I was sufficient in all vits and mins I would be more
tolerant.  But I also think my genes lean me toward needing a lower
chemical diet.  I wish I could design a diet that would target just the
right foods (failsafe or not) for my problems.

Does anyone, like me, have cravings?
For me, I think kvass sounds good (not a lot, just a sip or two), pad
thai made with fish sauce, I've just learned I really like idli,
occasionally chicken liver is very appealing, and I've been wanting
sauteed mushrooms.

Things I don't like much anymore:  oranges, hot and spicy food, most
wines, salad

Renee


Abby Eagle wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since you asked for other things.
>
> In brief I am still trialing the failsafe diet.
> Got good results for a week or so then fybromyalgia symptoms came back.
> Did not make sense.
> Got a calf cramp and a  charley horse.
>
> But I used my NLP and hypnosis to great effect.
> Anger memories stored in the legs seem to an underlying issue.
>
> Am now working on clearing up all memories of anger and changing my
> 'attitude' so as not to generate any more anger.
>
> Will write it up in detail when I get time...
>
> Over the years have got some amazing health results with clientele who did
> not respond to naturopathic or medical treatment.
>
> I think the message is, that we sometimes need to look elsewhere for
> influences on 'the problem'.
>
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Abby Eagle
> www.abbyeagle.com
>
>
>
>

Hi Naomi,

Yes, no grains at all.... no dairy apart from butter...

Since I did the NLP on myself over last few days noticing improvement.
Will maintain the current diet so as not to alter any other variables.

Kind regards
Abby Eagle



-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Naomi Lorenzini
Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:38 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Solutions

For the fibromyalgia are you doing the gluten free and dairy free too?

I'm doing brazil nut milk once a week for selenium and pumpkin seeds once a
week for zinc.  I'm trying to get a little in without overloading their
systems.   We are also doing chia seeds every few days.

The 4 year old does seem less hungry getting more variety, but the 2 year
old is still getting too much and being grumpy, I call her mean baby cause
that's what she is on chemicals, yells at me, no patience.  They are both
pretty little, 20 pounds and 30 pounds.

I'm going to start writing everything down again and see if I can figure out
if they can eat two days failsafe and have one serving of off limit nuts or
fruits and then two days failsafe etc.  I'll have to be strict again, but
I've done it before, we call it food nazi.

Please tell me if anything is working for you guys and I'll tell you if this
works for us.

Naomi

   _____

From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Abby Eagle
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:42 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Solutions




Hi,

Since you asked for other things.

In brief I am still trialing the failsafe diet.
Got good results for a week or so then fybromyalgia symptoms came back.
Did not make sense.
Got a calf cramp and a charley horse.

But I used my NLP and hypnosis to great effect.
Anger memories stored in the legs seem to an underlying issue.

Am now working on clearing up all memories of anger and changing my
'attitude' so as not to generate any more anger.

Will write it up in detail when I get time...

Over the years have got some amazing health results with clientele who did
not respond to naturopathic or medical treatment.

I think the message is, that we sometimes need to look elsewhere for
influences on 'the problem'.

Kind regards.

Abby Eagle
www.abbyeagle.com

-----Original Message-----
From: FailsafeNT@yahoogro <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogro <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
On
Behalf Of Renee Cyr
Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 6:54 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogro <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Solutions

Naomi Lorenzini wrote:
> Anyone have any luck with a solution for the amine and salicylate
> sensitivity. I'm tired of hiding the fruit and being so careful and
> having bad days and good days all mixed up. I was told this was the
> board for outside discussion about other things that worked. I tried
> the b12 for a couple of months but maybe haven't done it long enough
> to make a difference but it's not making a big enough difference yet.
>
> Thanks
> Naomi
>
>
>
Hi Naomi,
I just wanted to reply to this thread to keep it alive because I
think it would be great to hear more about solutions. I'm interesting
in working in more zinc foods...such as oysters.

Renee

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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It's gluten free.  I don't know if it has any chemicals or not.  You could
replace it with celery juice for a while.

Naomi

   _____

From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Abby Eagle
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:01 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] wheatgrass juice



Hi,

While I am trialing the failsafe diet I have stopped drinking wheatgrass
juice.

Does anyone have any idea of what category that food would come under?

I would like to re introduce it asap.

Kind regards
Abby Eagle

NLP Life Coaching
www.abbyeagle.com
www.rejoiceinlife.com
07 5576 4270






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For the fibromyalgia are you doing the gluten free and dairy free too?

I'm doing brazil nut milk once a week for selenium and pumpkin seeds once a
week for zinc.  I'm trying to get a little in without overloading their
systems.   We are also doing chia seeds every few days.

The 4 year old does seem less hungry getting more variety, but the 2 year
old is still getting too much and being grumpy, I call her mean baby cause
that's what she is on chemicals, yells at me, no patience.  They are both
pretty little, 20 pounds and 30 pounds.

I'm going to start writing everything down again and see if I can figure out
if they can eat two days failsafe and have one serving of off limit nuts or
fruits and then two days failsafe etc.  I'll have to be strict again, but
I've done it before, we call it food nazi.

Please tell me if anything is working for you guys and I'll tell you if this
works for us.

Naomi

   _____

From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Abby Eagle
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 5:42 PM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FailsafeNT] Solutions




Hi,

Since you asked for other things.

In brief I am still trialing the failsafe diet.
Got good results for a week or so then fybromyalgia symptoms came back.
Did not make sense.
Got a calf cramp and a charley horse.

But I used my NLP and hypnosis to great effect.
Anger memories stored in the legs seem to an underlying issue.

Am now working on clearing up all memories of anger and changing my
'attitude' so as not to generate any more anger.

Will write it up in detail when I get time...

Over the years have got some amazing health results with clientele who did
not respond to naturopathic or medical treatment.

I think the message is, that we sometimes need to look elsewhere for
influences on 'the problem'.

Kind regards.

Abby Eagle
www.abbyeagle.com

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From: FailsafeNT@yahoogro <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogro <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com]
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Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 6:54 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogro <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Solutions

Naomi Lorenzini wrote:
> Anyone have any luck with a solution for the amine and salicylate
> sensitivity. I'm tired of hiding the fruit and being so careful and
> having bad days and good days all mixed up. I was told this was the
> board for outside discussion about other things that worked. I tried
> the b12 for a couple of months but maybe haven't done it long enough
> to make a difference but it's not making a big enough difference yet.
>
> Thanks
> Naomi
>
>
>
Hi Naomi,
I just wanted to reply to this thread to keep it alive because I
think it would be great to hear more about solutions. I'm interesting
in working in more zinc foods...such as oysters.

Renee

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