We eat the sea salt in hopes of getting the minerals. I’ll have to watch
for the salt cravings, that’s interesting.

I’ll also have them eat seaweed for minerals but I think the seaweeds can be
high in glutamates but I haven’t correlated any trouble yet. You can get
dulse and sprinkle it on beans and rice or use raw nori to make sushi rolls
or toasted salted nori as a yummy snack. If you grow a garden you can
mineralize your garden with rock dust and that will increase minerals in
your food.



I haven’t found a supplement yet.



Naomi



From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Moni
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:28 AM
To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FailsafeNT] Re: Is this what's going on?



Naomi and Rene,

I know this has been discussed in past posts. Can you direct me? I
think I have just figured out why the extreme salt cravings when dd is
reacting. TRACE MINERALS!!

Yippee, now how do we find a supplement that there is no reaction and
how do we have a 6yo tell you she is high in zinc and low in copper or
vice versa.

Moni

PS she has 1/16 Hispanic heritage, light brown hair, blue eyes, olive
skin and stocky body build. So doesn't seem to fit that particular
profile I've seen discussed about blond and blue and European.

--- In FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Naomi Lorenzini" <Naomi@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking for nettles but didn't find any wild ones cause they
have 20%
> minerals compared to other greens. I was just going to buy the tea and
> drink it. Does anyone know if we can handle nettles tea or would it
be a
> salicylate bomb. I read that because it's a natural histamine it was
> supposed to help when you get glutened. I haven't got any yet but I was
> going to test ½ a cup on the girls if they'll drink it.
>
>
>
> With the whole zinc and copper I wonder if there is any test we
could do to
> see if we are low or high. It would be nice to get blood drawn and just
> check everything all at once.
>
>
>
> I'm glad others are looking into this cause I'm having trouble finding
> stuff.
>
>
>
> Naomi
>
>
>
> From: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of Renee Cyr
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:28 AM
> To: FailsafeNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FailsafeNT%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [FailsafeNT] Is this what's going on?
>
>
>
> Oh, you might want to look into Vit C for histamines, it was mentioned
> on another site. I think one of the failsafeNT ladies did have trouble
> with it... As you may know, supps can be problematic...
>
> Let us know what else you come up with!
>
> Renee
>
> Shannon Weiner wrote:
> > Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. I don't have any idea
> > what nutrients are required for sal processing (that's the next thing
> > for google...) And I'd guess for healing, you'd want to minimize sals
> > and amines as much as possible (while maximizing the right nutrients)
> > to speed the process along with the fewest symptoms.
> >
> > I've read in a textbook (after that massive discussion here a while
> > back) that amine processing is dependent on copper. So if you're low
> > in copper, then you won't be able to handle amines very well.
> >
> > Searching google for 'salicylate copper' (or was it 'salicylate
> > zinc'?) turns up a series of studies on pregnant rats. They injected
> > the rats with salicylate, and the result was increased serum
> > zinc/decreased copper - and the liver then had increased levels of
> > copper and lower zinc. Here's one -
> > http://www.springerlink.com/content/82175p4185310878/
> >
> > The discussions of hair color, and how melanin is copper dependent
> > didn't make sense to me if salicylates increase zinc - but if the sal
> > detox system breaks when it's overloaded, then high copper could
> > happen and darken hair. PLUS, it would explain why people get way
> > more sensitive when they start on the failsafe diet - they really do
> > stop being able to handle amines.
> >
> > Part of why I'm asking here is because I don't have the personal
> > experience to know the nitty gritty off hand. So if low sals allows
> > you to process more amines... I'll have to figure out how to work that
> > in. Maybe you do amines fine while the sal system is broken, then get
> > really sensitive during detox - right when you're testing your
> > sensitivity, and then can handle them better once you've been 'clean'
> > for a while since the detox system is no longer maxed out, so to
> > speak?
> >
> > What I don't know is if all these processes rely on serum nutrient
> > levels, or liver levels - since they're all so intricately related.
> > I've been working on the assumption that it's serum levels. Or if
> > they fit at all with real-world experience. That's where this list
> > comes in :)
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Renee Cyr <rmcyr@...
> <mailto:rmcyr%40charter.net> > wrote:
> >
> >> Very interesting post! I don't know, *is* that what is going on?
> >> thanks for taking the time to write down your theories, it really
gets
> >> me thinking...
> >>
> >> I think you are onto something, but I'm a bit confused. Would you
mind
> >> working it with me a little? Is this what you are saying?
> >>
> >> Sal Processing System: uses up certain nutrients, busies the detox
> pathways
> >>
> >> Overwhelmed Sal processing system: results in K deficiency, copper
> >> levels raise (darkening blonde hair), sals goof up brain, skin,
joints
> >> and other symptoms, system can just give up, but will resume after a
> >> while off of sals?
> >>
> >> Proper Sal System processing system: Zinc and K levels raise,
pathways
> >> clear, feel good
> >>
> >> Maintenance/healing: pay attention to nutrient status, moderate
sals and
> >> amines
> >>
> >> Need some clarification:
> >>
> >> I thought low zinc was what was related to food chemical intolerance,
> >> not low copper
> >> I thought when you go low sal, you can process more amines
> >>
> >> Renee
> >>
> >> Shannon Weiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Salicylate and amine intolerance is such a huge and mysterious
puzzle
> >>> to me. I'm slowly trying to put the pieces together, and
wondering if
> >>> I'm on the right track based on what you've experienced. No, I
> >>> haven't done the diet yet, but I'm finding myself not wanting to eat
> >>> higher sal foods in general. I don't know if it's psychological or
> >>> really listening to my body though :)
> >>>
> >>> So here goes:
> >>>
> >>> If you're eating the 'right' amount of sals for your body - meaning
> >>> under your 'tolerance' level, then your body process them away and
> >>> they disappear and everything is fantastic. This process uses
> >>> specific nutrients (vitamin K? copper?) and pathways, and serum zinc
> >>> raises, while serum copper lowers. Low copper helps explain low
amine
> >>> tolerance, and low melanin production (light blond/red hair).
> >>>
> >>> If you're eating too many sals, The processing mechanism gets
> >>> overwhelmed and stops trying. Sals start to go places they
shouldn't,
> >>> like your brain, skin or joints, and cause symptoms. Serum copper
> >>> goes up, darkening your hair, and allowing you to process more
amines
> >>>
> >>> When you cut out sals on the failsafe diet, your body goes back into
> >>> 'process the sals' mode (kinda like detox), and your zinc raises
> >>> again. This means you're more sensitive to amines, but your other
> >>> symptoms go away. You get process the sals that have accumulated in
> >>> places they shouldn't have. Once those are cleared out, you can
start
> >>> eating small amounts of them again, and keep up with the processing,
> >>> but you have to balance it with eating too many amines.
> >>>
> >>> Now, if I'm on the right track, then it seems like you could
speed the
> >>> detox process up by supplementing with whatever nutrients are
> >>> necessary for processing the sals, and if you paid close
attention to
> >>> copper, you might be able to minimize the amine intolerance?
> >>>
> >>> Shannon
> >>>
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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